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2012-08-26 12:34:33 AM

loonatic112358: whatshisname: Do you understand the concepts of scale or frequency?

I do, but i'm wondering if you do


No, you don't. You posted a link to a stabbing from 2009 and a reference to an image of a car taking out some cyclists. Compare that to the incidents of gun violence in the US.Different scale, different frequency.
 
2012-08-26 12:36:23 AM

whatshisname: Wise_Guy: So you got nothing.

Thanks. That's what I thought.

Perhaps if America tried to end its love affair with guns, everyone wouldn't feel the need to stuff one down their pants when going to the store for some milk?


You know what, fark it, if it scares idiots like you into staying on your side of the fence, I'm all for it.
 
2012-08-26 12:38:08 AM

whatshisname: No, you don't. You posted a link to a stabbing from 2009 and a reference to an image of a car taking out some cyclists. Compare that to the incidents of gun violence in the US.Different scale, different frequency.


did you not make this statements? I keep reading about those mass stabbings and people mowing down dozens with vehicles.

never mind that most deaths aren't mass homicides but usually 1 person killing one other person
 
2012-08-26 12:38:30 AM

Wise_Guy: You know what, fark it, if it scares idiots like you


And here we see the real reason for carrying a gun emerging. Do you have a pit bull as well?
 
2012-08-26 12:38:43 AM

whatshisname: radiobiz: This is fun. Let's pull more dumb statements out of our butts and post em.

Sorry, it's not 47%, it's 46% of Americans believe God created humans in their current form within the last 10000 years.


Who cares? WE LANDED A GIANT FARKING ROBOT ON MARS LAST WEEK. Beat that, bumpkin.
 
2012-08-26 12:39:24 AM

loonatic112358: did you not make this statements? I keep reading about those mass stabbings and people mowing down dozens with vehicles.


I did, sarcastically, and you were unable to refute it.
 
2012-08-26 12:40:08 AM

whatshisname: Wise_Guy: You know what, fark it, if it scares idiots like you

And here we see the real reason for carrying a gun emerging. Do you have a pit bull as well?


I don't have a dog. Or carry a gun. What now, moron?
 
2012-08-26 12:40:37 AM

Wise_Guy: whatshisname: Wise_Guy: So you got nothing.

Thanks. That's what I thought.

Perhaps if America tried to end its love affair with guns, everyone wouldn't feel the need to stuff one down their pants when going to the store for some milk?

You know what, fark it, if it scares idiots like you into staying on your side of the fence, I'm all for it.


Probably for the best that he stays behind the fence, as he sure seems really curious about what everyone has stuffed down their pants.
 
2012-08-26 12:42:04 AM

whatshisname: loonatic112358: did you not make this statements? I keep reading about those mass stabbings and people mowing down dozens with vehicles.

I did, sarcastically, and you were unable to refute it.


That's because you keep ignoring the fact that England does have a problem with knives and people getting stabbed.

I know you don't like to talk about England. Don't worry, if you guys ever decide to stop being their biatch, we'll lend you some guns.
 
2012-08-26 12:42:40 AM

whatshisname: radiobiz: Again, prove them wrong. All you did was post a link to a graphic. Where's the proof? You may not agree with them (neither do I but that's not the point), but you can't prove any differently

Are you farking insane? Anyone with an IQ higher than room temperature can prove that God did not create humans as-is in the last 10,000 years.


Great, then this should be easy for you. Prove it. (here's a hint- you can't. No one can. Kinda like the Big Bang. Yeah, it probably happened but prove it). That's why we call them theories. Not as in conspiracy, as in scientific.

Anyway we're getting off point. You as a Canadian were telling us Americans that how much more superior you are than us and why we should bow to your personal expertise and guidance on all gun rights and control issues.
 
2012-08-26 12:42:51 AM

whatshisname: And here we see the real reason for carrying a gun emerging. Do you have a pit bull as well?


It's not that those of us who carry do it to scare you (not that you would know I'm carrying anyway). It's more a realization that you being frightened of the *possibility* that I'm carrying is a "your problem" and not a "my problem".

And no, I don't have a pit bull, either.
 
2012-08-26 12:43:34 AM

whatshisname: I did, sarcastically, and you were unable to refute it.


you have an irrational fear, i can do nothing with you until you can make an argument that is not crouched in this fear

How do you feel about Canada having near as high a gun ownership as the US?
 
2012-08-26 12:44:48 AM
In an ironic twist, I would use a gun to kill the first human.
 
2012-08-26 12:46:29 AM
You know how bad Canada sucks? Our shiattiest, coldest, nobody-wants-to-live-there-because-it's-freezing-and-sucks-so-bad states--the ones way at the top of the map, are where Canada farking begins! That's better than anything they got-- North Dakota is like Florida to them. Minnesota is like the Bahamas.

They probably don't want anyone to have guns or half their population would blow their farking brains out that day.
 
2012-08-26 12:47:19 AM

Wise_Guy: You know how bad Canada sucks? Our shiattiest, coldest, nobody-wants-to-live-there-because-it's-freezing-and-sucks-so-bad states--the ones way at the top of the map, are where Canada farking begins! That's better than anything they got-- North Dakota is like Florida to them. Minnesota is like the Bahamas.

They probably don't want anyone to have guns or half their population would blow their farking brains out that day.


you just had to go there didn't you
 
2012-08-26 12:49:50 AM

Farker Soze: GAT_00: Farker Soze: GAT_00: The right to bear arms is a clause dependent on being in a militia.

No, it clearly isn't, as all research into original intent points to. Please, disagree with it if you want, but don't lie about it.

I'm sorry I'm capable of understanding how clauses work in English.

Clearly you don't, as the militia part is not a qualifying clause.


How do internal commas work again?
 
2012-08-26 12:50:25 AM
Hey guys, Toronto and London are pretty nice.

The rest though, Dante's Ninth Circle.
 
2012-08-26 12:50:41 AM
So we're clear on guns, time machines, and death rays. But I need to know where we stand on the following:
-Faster-than-light travel
-Starbases
-Dimensional portals
-Sentient robots (humanoid or non-humanoid)
-UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis.
 
2012-08-26 12:51:07 AM

Farker Soze: Hey guys, Toronto and London are pretty nice.The rest though, Dante's Ninth Circle.


The only way to get out is to pass satans balls?
 
2012-08-26 12:52:01 AM

Wise_Guy: You know how bad Canada sucks? Our shiattiest, coldest, nobody-wants-to-live-there-because-it's-freezing-and-sucks-so-bad states--the ones way at the top of the map, are where Canada farking begins! That's better than anything they got-- North Dakota is like Florida to them. Minnesota is like the Bahamas.


I live in Canada's largest city. It's at about the same latitude as Southern Oregon. We have a lake effect so the winters are mild and the summers are pleasant.

But by all means, keep being the poster child for the ignorant American.
 
2012-08-26 12:52:04 AM

loonatic112358: How do you feel about Canada having near as high a gun ownership as the US?


Only if "barely a third as many guns per capita" counts as "near as high" (31 per hundred versus 89 per hundred). That, taken with the fact that the U.S. population is almost ten times greater than Canada's, means that the ratio of total American-owned guns to Canadian-owned guns is closer to 25:1.
 
2012-08-26 12:53:17 AM

loonatic112358: Wise_Guy: You know how bad Canada sucks? Our shiattiest, coldest, nobody-wants-to-live-there-because-it's-freezing-and-sucks-so-bad states--the ones way at the top of the map, are where Canada farking begins! That's better than anything they got-- North Dakota is like Florida to them. Minnesota is like the Bahamas.

They probably don't want anyone to have guns or half their population would blow their farking brains out that day.

you just had to go there didn't you


I regret nothing.
 
2012-08-26 12:54:06 AM

ScottRiqui: Only if "barely a third as many guns per capita" counts as "near as high" (31 per hundred versus 89 per hundred). That, taken with the fact that the U.S. population is almost ten times greater than Canada's, means that the ratio of total American-owned guns to Canadian-owned guns is closer to 25:1.


i misread the wiki article then

bah it's almost midnight my brain will be soup soon
 
2012-08-26 12:55:55 AM

MayoSlather: Everyone can agree that your neighbor shouldn't have access to launch a nuclear weapon, but when it's only dozens they can kill instead of millions, people get more argumentative about their right to own these weapons.


Pretty much this. I understand the desire to be able to defend yourself and your family, I really do. But civilians with access to firearms that can kill dozens of people in the blink of an eye are simply unjustifiable in a civil society.
 
2012-08-26 12:57:04 AM

loonatic112358: whatshisname: No, you don't. You posted a link to a stabbing from 2009 and a reference to an image of a car taking out some cyclists. Compare that to the incidents of gun violence in the US.Different scale, different frequency.

did you not make this statements? I keep reading about those mass stabbings and people mowing down dozens with vehicles.

never mind that most deaths aren't mass homicides but usually 1 person killing one other person


Of course, so are most shootings, so that may undermine your argument.
 
2012-08-26 12:57:27 AM

kosumi: Pretty much this. I understand the desire to be able to defend yourself and your family, I really do. But civilians with access to firearms that can kill dozens of people in the blink of an eye are simply unjustifiable in a civil society.


are we there yet, cause from watching the silly season every four years i have my doubts
 
2012-08-26 12:57:31 AM

whatshisname: Wise_Guy: You know how bad Canada sucks? Our shiattiest, coldest, nobody-wants-to-live-there-because-it's-freezing-and-sucks-so-bad states--the ones way at the top of the map, are where Canada farking begins! That's better than anything they got-- North Dakota is like Florida to them. Minnesota is like the Bahamas.

I live in Canada's largest city. It's at about the same latitude as Southern Oregon. We have a lake effect so the winters are mild and the summers are pleasant.

But by all means, keep being the poster child for the ignorant American.


Yeah, you're right. I was generalizing an entire country.

That's a pretty stupid thing to do.

Wouldn't you agree?
 
2012-08-26 12:58:03 AM

Gyrfalcon: never mind that most deaths aren't mass homicides but usually 1 person killing one other personOf course, so are most shootings, so that may undermine your argument.


i could swear my statement would encompass yours
 
2012-08-26 01:00:10 AM

kosumi: But civilians with access to firearms that can kill dozens of people in the blink of an eye are simply unjustifiable in a civil society.


And yet, the vast, overwhelmingly majority of us are able to own them responsibly. I know that when you're talking about numbers in the hundreds of millions, even the tail ends of the bell curve can start to look pretty thick. But why not concentrate on the crazies at the tail of the curve, rather than their tools? That way, you don't have to lump the other 100 million of us in with them, since we're not bothering anyone.
 
2012-08-26 01:00:35 AM

GreenAdder: So we're clear on guns, time machines, and death rays. But I need to know where we stand on the following:
-Faster-than-light travel

How else am I to get to Risa???

-Starbases
need to stop somewhere on my trip to Risa

-Dimensional portals
would be awesome!!!

-Sentient robots (humanoid or non-humanoid)
Even at faster than light, I'm going to need something to do on my trip to Risa, so I'll bring a sentient female sex droid.

-UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis.
If there's a pay check involved, I'll believe anything you want.
 
2012-08-26 01:00:54 AM

Farker Soze: GAT_00: Farker Soze: GAT_00: The right to bear arms is a clause dependent on being in a militia.

No, it clearly isn't, as all research into original intent points to. Please, disagree with it if you want, but don't lie about it.

I'm sorry I'm capable of understanding how clauses work in English.

Clearly you don't, as the militia part is not a qualifying clause.


Not necessarily, but it could be. It all depends on how you parse the word "being." It's a pretty poorly written Amendment.

In any case, I'm surprised that gun control advocates don't point to the original Constitution's second militia clause:

(The Congress shall have Power) "To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress."

Under that power, the feds can require people to submit to a rigorous program of training and certification as part of the militia, only exempting those who choose not to bear arms. In other words, they can make firearm ownership as prohibitive as possible; all they can't do, really, is ban it outright. Is it weaselly? Sure. But it's totally legal.
 
2012-08-26 01:01:39 AM

Wise_Guy: Yeah, you're right. I was generalizing an entire country.

That's a pretty stupid thing to do.

Wouldn't you agree?



I would. But the American love affair with guns is no generalization. It's a statistic.
 
2012-08-26 01:03:43 AM

loonatic112358: nigeman: no not at all. if somebody wants to kill someone they will, if someone is angry, they can pull a trigger pretty quickly, and kill someone that otherwise would not have died, further it makes a whole bunch of crimes far easier to do and that is to say nothing of accidents with guns. Further you can's have a drive by without a gun. This is all very simple to understand, it won't stop all murder, but it will stop a lot of them. To say that that isn't good enough is ridiculous.

i think that's the only logical argument i've heard yet against firearms


i71.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-26 01:03:46 AM
That's some weapons-grade strawmanning right there.
 
2012-08-26 01:04:28 AM
There are days I wish I had a time machine so I could eliminate GIZMODO from existence.
 
2012-08-26 01:04:57 AM

whatshisname: Wise_Guy: Yeah, you're right. I was generalizing an entire country.

That's a pretty stupid thing to do.

Wouldn't you agree?


I would. But the American love affair with guns is no generalization. It's a statistic.


Sure it is. 'Love affair'? What does that mean exactly?
 
2012-08-26 01:07:06 AM

GAT_00: Farker Soze: GAT_00: Farker Soze: GAT_00: The right to bear arms is a clause dependent on being in a militia.

No, it clearly isn't, as all research into original intent points to. Please, disagree with it if you want, but don't lie about it.

I'm sorry I'm capable of understanding how clauses work in English.

Clearly you don't, as the militia part is not a qualifying clause.

How do internal commas work again?


Honestly, it could be slightly clearer, but anyone with an modicum of unbiased thought can see that changing "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." to "GAT_00, being the wisest most totally awesome person in the world and definitely not authoritarian against anything he personally doesn't like, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." changes nothing concerning the right of the people to keep and bear Arms whether or not is shall be infringed.

Or are you making a jab at my shiatty grammar? Irrelevant.
 
2012-08-26 01:07:22 AM

whatshisname: I would. But the American love affair with guns is no generalization. It's a statistic.


That i'll agree on, there's a lot of people down here that love to collect guns, they make plans to go out shooting with friends, hell there's a place that'll let you shoot machine guns for a fee
 
2012-08-26 01:08:07 AM

viscountalpha: There are days I wish I had a time machine so I could eliminate GIZMODO from existence.


Just stop them from making the redesign, i sort of liked em back then
 
2012-08-26 01:08:54 AM

Wise_Guy: Sure it is. 'Love affair'? What does that mean exactly?


Well, sometimes a gun is just a weapon.....
 
2012-08-26 01:09:19 AM

Wise_Guy: 'Love affair'? What does that mean exactly?


One day, when you emerge from your Mom's basement, you may find out. I hope he's a nice young man.
 
2012-08-26 01:10:09 AM

ScottRiqui: And yet, the vast, overwhelmingly majority of us are able to own them responsibly. I know that when you're talking about numbers in the hundreds of millions, even the tail ends of the bell curve can start to look pretty thick. But why not concentrate on the crazies at the tail of the curve, rather than their tools? That way, you don't have to lump the other 100 million of us in with them, since we're not bothering anyone.


You are right, I agree. The overwhelming majority of gun owners I know are decent people who probably wouldn't kill unnecessarily, even if the target deserved it, and they could legally get away with it. But even if the "crazy proportion" is 0.0001%, it doesn't matter - it isn't the relevant metric. The question, for me, is what proportion of self-defense situations for American civilians require semi-automatic weapons with 100-round drum magazines. I would guess none.
 
2012-08-26 01:10:48 AM

Wise_Guy: whatshisname: Wise_Guy: Yeah, you're right. I was generalizing an entire country.

That's a pretty stupid thing to do.

Wouldn't you agree?


I would. But the American love affair with guns is no generalization. It's a statistic.

Sure it is. 'Love affair'? What does that mean exactly?


Love affair, things stuffed down pants... you know, wink wink, nudge nudge.
 
2012-08-26 01:11:18 AM

Wise_Guy: Sure it is. 'Love affair'? What does that mean exactly?


Remember those old Looney Tunes where Bugs Bunny would stick his finger in Elmer Fudd's shotgun? Yeah. Like that, only... not a finger.
 
2012-08-26 01:11:36 AM

kosumi: You are right, I agree. The overwhelming majority of gun owners I know are decent people who probably wouldn't kill unnecessarily, even if the target deserved it, and they could legally get away with it. But even if the "crazy proportion" is 0.0001%, it doesn't matter - it isn't the relevant metric. The question, for me, is what proportion of self-defense situations for American civilians require semi-automatic weapons with 100-round drum magazines. I would guess none.


you can get those?
 
2012-08-26 01:13:45 AM

Olympic Trolling Judge: Wise_Guy: Sure it is. 'Love affair'? What does that mean exactly?

Remember those old Looney Tunes where Bugs Bunny would stick his finger in Elmer Fudd's shotgun? Yeah. Like that, only... not a finger.


Ah, finally, a workable plan on how the Aurora shooter could have been stopped. If only Ron Jeremy was in that theater.
 
2012-08-26 01:14:31 AM
If Gizmodo thinks technology from the 17th technology is too dangerous to own, they must be flipping their wig over this internet thing.
 
2012-08-26 01:14:35 AM

Farker Soze: GAT_00: Farker Soze: GAT_00: Farker Soze: GAT_00: The right to bear arms is a clause dependent on being in a militia.

No, it clearly isn't, as all research into original intent points to. Please, disagree with it if you want, but don't lie about it.

I'm sorry I'm capable of understanding how clauses work in English.

Clearly you don't, as the militia part is not a qualifying clause.

How do internal commas work again?

Honestly, it could be slightly clearer, but anyone with an modicum of unbiased thought can see that changing "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." to "GAT_00, being the wisest most totally awesome person in the world and definitely not authoritarian against anything he personally doesn't like, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." changes nothing concerning the right of the people to keep and bear Arms whether or not is shall be infringed.

Or are you making a jab at my shiatty grammar? Irrelevant.


Ok, one this is just being an ass for the point of being an ass and has no benefit to the conversation, and two, did someone distribute a memo about the authoritarian bit? I'd name names on that since I know who it started with, but some mod has a hard-on for banning me for things that everyone does, so I can't.
 
2012-08-26 01:15:00 AM

whatshisname: Wise_Guy: 'Love affair'? What does that mean exactly?

One day, when you emerge from your Mom's basement, you may find out. I hope he's a nice young man.


Right-- just deflect or outright ignore any question you can't handle.

Clearly the sign of a superior intellect. Or a troll.

One or the other.
 
2012-08-26 01:15:11 AM

loonatic112358: you can get those?


Yes: http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct896.aspx
 
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