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(Major League Baseball)   It's official: Nearly half the starting lineup for the Boston Red Sox will be making the post-season   (mlb.mlb.com) divider line 110
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2012-08-25 05:22:53 PM  
Wow... how did all those players pass waivers?
 
2012-08-25 05:24:01 PM  
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2012-08-25 05:25:05 PM  

downstairs: Wow... how did all those players pass waivers?


I think it was only Gonzalez and Crawford that passed waivers.
 
2012-08-25 05:26:06 PM  
And Nick Punto is likely to get anoter world series ring.
 
2012-08-25 05:28:26 PM  

NeoCortex42: downstairs: Wow... how did all those players pass waivers?

I think it was only Gonzalez and Crawford that passed waivers.


They all had to pass waivers to be traded
 
2012-08-25 05:29:23 PM  
Yeah, I guess the wild-card play-in game is technically postseason
 
2012-08-25 05:36:29 PM  
And now the Red Sox have been officially diagnosed cancer-free. Good riddance Becket.
 
2012-08-25 05:43:35 PM  

downstairs: Wow... how did all those players pass waivers?


I'm guessing no one else wanted to take on Gonzalez' & Crawford's gargantuan contracts. Perhaps there's some unwritten rule somewhere that it's bad karma to interfere with 2 teams trying to get a deal of that size done?
 
2012-08-25 05:43:49 PM  
When my wife & I watch baseball I always seem to mispronounce Puntos' name when he's at bat. For some reason I always seem to leave out the n. Now he's on my team. meh
 
2012-08-25 05:44:22 PM  

downstairs: Wow... how did all those players pass waivers?


Considering the amount of contract any team trying to claim them off the waiver wire would have had to eat (they have a combined $247 million due them before their contracts expire), unless the team in question was based in the Bronx, no GM in their right mind was going to fark their own payroll by taking on those contracts in an attempt to screw over the Red Sox and Dodgers.
 
2012-08-25 05:50:20 PM  

imspartacus: When my wife & I watch baseball I always seem to mispronounce Puntos' name when he's at bat. For some reason I always seem to leave out the n. Now he's on my team. meh


You own the Dodgers! Congrats on making a great trade! Seriously can't believe Nick Punto will get another ring. He farked the twins over and has never been worth anything other the than the league minimum since he started with the twins.
 
2012-08-25 05:50:43 PM  
I hated Beckett, but I loved Gonzalez and hoped that the Sox would build around him. Oh well, at least I bought a Gonzo Red Sox Jersey Shirt last night.

/I wish him well
//He will win the NL MVP at some point
 
2012-08-25 05:52:26 PM  
I would have liked to see someone grab up Adrian Gonzalez, just to fark up the deal.
 
2012-08-25 05:55:20 PM  

downstairs: Wow... how did all those players pass waivers?


They didn't. James Loney, Ivan DeJesus, Carl Crawford & Nick Punto cleared waivers. AGonz & Beckett were claimed by the Dodgers, so not an issue. Rubby de la Rosa & James Sands were claimed, which is why they're PTBNL. Allen Webster wasn't on the 40man, so no waivers required.
 
2012-08-25 05:56:56 PM  

thebpem: imspartacus: When my wife & I watch baseball I always seem to mispronounce Puntos' name when he's at bat. For some reason I always seem to leave out the n. Now he's on my team. meh

You own the Dodgers! Congrats on making a great trade! Seriously can't believe Nick Punto will get another ring. He farked the twins over and has never been worth anything other the than the league minimum since he started with the twins.


I stand corrected, I should have written 'my favorite team.' Thank you Chief of Grammar Police.
 
2012-08-25 06:02:07 PM  
BTW, here's an article explaining why no one claimed AGonz before the Dodgers:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=18138
 
2012-08-25 06:05:35 PM  
Don't let the door hit you on the way out Beckett
 
2012-08-25 06:16:03 PM  

DeWayne Mann: BTW, here's an article explaining why no one claimed AGonz before the Dodgers:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=18138


One thing the article didn't mention was that a team with a large hispanic fan base could use AGonz as marketing tool. The Dodgers have, historically, been very good at this.
 
2012-08-25 06:22:14 PM  

imspartacus: DeWayne Mann: BTW, here's an article explaining why no one claimed AGonz before the Dodgers:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=18138

One thing the article didn't mention was that a team with a large hispanic fan base could use AGonz as marketing tool. The Dodgers have, historically, been very good at this.


No idea what you're talking about.

latimesblogs.latimes.com
 
2012-08-25 06:22:36 PM  

imspartacus: DeWayne Mann: BTW, here's an article explaining why no one claimed AGonz before the Dodgers:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=18138

One thing the article didn't mention was that a team with a large hispanic fan base could use AGonz as marketing tool. The Dodgers have, historically, been very good at this.


When that article was written, we didn't know that the Sox & Dodgers had essentially agreed to a trade in principle BEFORE AGonz was placed on waivers. With that in mind, the Dodgers were always going to claim him. So the interesting question here is why no one in the AL or almost no one in the NL put in a claim.
 
2012-08-25 06:27:28 PM  

DeWayne Mann: imspartacus: DeWayne Mann: BTW, here's an article explaining why no one claimed AGonz before the Dodgers:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=18138

One thing the article didn't mention was that a team with a large hispanic fan base could use AGonz as marketing tool. The Dodgers have, historically, been very good at this.

When that article was written, we didn't know that the Sox & Dodgers had essentially agreed to a trade in principle BEFORE AGonz was placed on waivers. With that in mind, the Dodgers were always going to claim him. So the interesting question here is why no one in the AL or almost no one in the NL put in a claim.


He's still owed $125 million over the next six years. The Dodgers are about to sign a $3-4 billion TV deal so they can eat a lot of that, but any other team? Any team claiming Gonzalez would have risked the Red Sox simply saying "Fine, take him" and dumping that contract on them.
 
2012-08-25 06:33:03 PM  

DeWayne Mann: BTW, here's an article explaining why no one claimed AGonz before the Dodgers:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=18138



Ok, thanks!
 
2012-08-25 06:35:39 PM  

rugman11: He's still owed $125 million over the next six years. The Dodgers are about to sign a $3-4 billion TV deal so they can eat a lot of that, but any other team? Any team claiming Gonzalez would have risked the Red Sox simply saying "Fine, take him" and dumping that contract on them.


I highly, HIGHLY doubt the Sox would've let Adrian go for nothing.

If a team (any team) couldn't trade AGonz (even including his full salary) for SOMETHING, that team needs to fire their GM.

And with that in mind, if they did let him go for nothing: you don't think most teams could afford a month of AGonz, then trade him (and his contract) in the offseason?
 
2012-08-25 06:38:37 PM  
Here's hoping that Bobby V still gets canned for this miserable season.
 
2012-08-25 06:42:34 PM  

DeWayne Mann: imspartacus: DeWayne Mann: BTW, here's an article explaining why no one claimed AGonz before the Dodgers:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=18138

One thing the article didn't mention was that a team with a large hispanic fan base could use AGonz as marketing tool. The Dodgers have, historically, been very good at this.

When that article was written, we didn't know that the Sox & Dodgers had essentially agreed to a trade in principle BEFORE AGonz was placed on waivers. With that in mind, the Dodgers were always going to claim him. So the interesting question here is why no one in the AL or almost no one in the NL put in a claim.


I meant no criticism of the article. It was well written and informative.
 
2012-08-25 06:43:26 PM  

TheOther: Here's hoping that Bobby V still gets canned for this miserable season.


I'm EXTREMELY worried that they'll use this trade to say "See, it was the players that sucked, not Bobby V, and we got rid of the players!"
 
2012-08-25 06:46:23 PM  

TheOther: Here's hoping that Bobby V still gets canned for this miserable season.


I'm thinking he's back next year unless Toronto dumps John Farrell.

And glad Beckett is gone. I don't wish any bad on him, but he just didn't fit any more. Surely wish Gonzo and Crawford luck. Crawford was just paid too much damn money and could never meet the expectations of that contract. Gonzo was the price for taking Beckett.

If only Lackey had been added somehow. I'd be willing to accept offers up to and including a $1 McDonalds coupon.
 
2012-08-25 06:46:47 PM  

TheOther: Here's hoping that Bobby V still gets canned for this miserable season.


He's not really the problem. The problem is the clubhouse and the fact that it's Boston. Francona didn't do any better with the same team.
 
2012-08-25 06:50:19 PM  

bhcompy: TheOther: Here's hoping that Bobby V still gets canned for this miserable season.

He's not really the problem. The problem is the clubhouse and the fact that it's Boston. Francona didn't do any better with the same team.


People forget that the "same team" was, for a large percentage of 2011, the best team in baseball. It took a number of pitching injuries and extremely poor replacements for them to miss the playoffs by ONE game.

At no point have these Red Sox resembled anything close to the best team in baseball, even when mostly healthy. So I'd say that, yes, Francona did do better with the same team.

Bobby V isn't the largest cause of the problems, but he has, all things considered, been a terrible manager for the team, both in on and off the field issues.
 
2012-08-25 06:50:33 PM  
 
2012-08-25 06:52:18 PM  

Witchyman: TheOther: Here's hoping that Bobby V still gets canned for this miserable season.

I'm thinking he's back next year unless Toronto dumps John Farrell.

And glad Beckett is gone. I don't wish any bad on him, but he just didn't fit any more. Surely wish Gonzo and Crawford luck. Crawford was just paid too much damn money and could never meet the expectations of that contract. Gonzo was the price for taking Beckett.

If only Lackey had been added somehow. I'd be willing to accept offers up to and including a $1 McDonalds coupon.


Now they just need to figure out what the hell to do about Dice-K.
 
2012-08-25 06:52:35 PM  
I've been giving Bobby V a lot of slack, but I'm totally sick of his shiat.

I just find him.... detestable.
 
2012-08-25 06:53:22 PM  

NeoCortex42: Witchyman: TheOther: Here's hoping that Bobby V still gets canned for this miserable season.

I'm thinking he's back next year unless Toronto dumps John Farrell.

And glad Beckett is gone. I don't wish any bad on him, but he just didn't fit any more. Surely wish Gonzo and Crawford luck. Crawford was just paid too much damn money and could never meet the expectations of that contract. Gonzo was the price for taking Beckett.

If only Lackey had been added somehow. I'd be willing to accept offers up to and including a $1 McDonalds coupon.

Now they just need to figure out what the hell to do about Dice-K.


Pre-game says he may be pitching Monday and showed video of him in front of the Monster smiling and waving.
 
2012-08-25 06:54:10 PM  

robsul82: Sox might shut down Papi for the year


Which reminds me:

http://www.fark.com/comments/7285853/78929323#c78929323

My prediction: the Sox trade Gonzalez to the Dodgers for some 30 year old pitcher in AA with a sparkling ERA but terrible peripherals. They shut down Ortiz for the year, moving Pedroia to DH and going with the unstoppable Mauro Gomez/Pedro Ciriaco/Nick Punto/Danny Valenica infield for the rest of the year. They win out, barely getting the last wild card spot, but lose the one game playoff. Bobby V & Cherington get lifetime contracts. I've long since killed myself.

I got the age of the pitcher wrong (23, not 30) and I got Punto wrong. But so far....not too shabby.

Any suggestions on how I kill myself?
 
2012-08-25 06:54:28 PM  

robsul82: Sox might shut down Papi for the year


That makes perfect sense.
 
2012-08-25 06:55:10 PM  

Witchyman: Pre-game says he may be pitching Monday and showed video of him in front of the Monster smiling and waving.


Followed by Nick Cafardo suggesting the Sox sign him to a one year contract for some reason.
 
2012-08-25 06:55:12 PM  

DeWayne Mann: robsul82: Sox might shut down Papi for the year

Which reminds me:

http://www.fark.com/comments/7285853/78929323#c78929323

My prediction: the Sox trade Gonzalez to the Dodgers for some 30 year old pitcher in AA with a sparkling ERA but terrible peripherals. They shut down Ortiz for the year, moving Pedroia to DH and going with the unstoppable Mauro Gomez/Pedro Ciriaco/Nick Punto/Danny Valenica infield for the rest of the year. They win out, barely getting the last wild card spot, but lose the one game playoff. Bobby V & Cherington get lifetime contracts. I've long since killed myself.

I got the age of the pitcher wrong (23, not 30) and I got Punto wrong. But so far....not too shabby.

Any suggestions on how I kill myself?


Listen to John Sterling highlights on WCBS for 10 hours straight.
 
2012-08-25 06:56:06 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Witchyman: Pre-game says he may be pitching Monday and showed video of him in front of the Monster smiling and waving.

Followed by Nick Cafardo suggesting the Sox sign him to a one year contract for some reason.


One of the West Coast teams with a large Japanese fanbase will snap him. I think he'd shine in Seattle.
 
2012-08-25 06:56:44 PM  

robsul82: Sox might shut down Papi for the year


Might as well It's not like the Sox are going to contend or anything.
 
2012-08-25 06:56:47 PM  

Witchyman: NeoCortex42: Witchyman: TheOther: Here's hoping that Bobby V still gets canned for this miserable season.

I'm thinking he's back next year unless Toronto dumps John Farrell.

And glad Beckett is gone. I don't wish any bad on him, but he just didn't fit any more. Surely wish Gonzo and Crawford luck. Crawford was just paid too much damn money and could never meet the expectations of that contract. Gonzo was the price for taking Beckett.

If only Lackey had been added somehow. I'd be willing to accept offers up to and including a $1 McDonalds coupon.

Now they just need to figure out what the hell to do about Dice-K.

Pre-game says he may be pitching Monday and showed video of him in front of the Monster smiling and waving.


That's something at least. I still think his contract was horrible, and he certainly hasn't performed anywhere near the level he was supposed to.
 
2012-08-25 06:58:56 PM  
Wow, the team quickly became a AAA ball team with Pedroia, a roided Ortiz and a bunch of injury stricken pieces.
 
2012-08-25 07:00:33 PM  

Witchyman: Listen to John Sterling highlights on WCBS for 10 hours straight.


Could work, but I feel I'd just end up destroying my eardrums and otherwise survive.
 
2012-08-25 07:00:51 PM  
TRADE ALL THE THINGS!
 
2012-08-25 07:03:15 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Witchyman: Pre-game says he may be pitching Monday and showed video of him in front of the Monster smiling and waving.

Followed by Nick Cafardo suggesting the Sox sign him to a one year contract for some reason.


With Scott Boras as his agent? A one year contract? Somebody will be stupid enough to sign him to a multi-year.
 
2012-08-25 07:05:11 PM  
A great day for both Sox and Dodgers fans. Beckett is still a pretty good pitcher and he will slide nicely into the #3 spot, effectively bumping Blanton out of the rotation. His numbers will most certainly improve in the NL West and, specifically, Dodgers stadium. Gonzalez is the best hitting player in all of baseball since the AS break and I'd love to see him or Ethier bat in the #2 hole in front of Kemp. Vic(S), Ethier(L) Kemp(R) A-Gon(L) Ramirez(R)... You'd be hard pressed to find a better 1-5 in the game. With the Ellis boys and Cruz rounding out the back end, Donnie could play small ball about every other inning while the front end mashes (I'm perhaps giving Mattingly too much managerial credit here).

As for the BoSox, this was the absolute best case scenario they could have found themselves in. They desperately needed to shed some salary and they also got two young talented pitchers who could be All-Stars in the next few years. I'm kind of at an impasse of emotions for James Loney because I always liked the guy, but he killed rallies far too often and the Dodgers weren't going to go far without production from 1B. Having said that, there is no doubt in my mind that playing in Boston will reinvigorate him back to the Mark Grace-esque type player he used to be.

lh6.googleusercontent.com

Everybody wins.
 
2012-08-25 07:05:12 PM  

wooden_badger: DeWayne Mann: Witchyman: Pre-game says he may be pitching Monday and showed video of him in front of the Monster smiling and waving.

Followed by Nick Cafardo suggesting the Sox sign him to a one year contract for some reason.

With Scott Boras as his agent? A one year contract? Somebody will be stupid enough to sign him to a multi-year.


Ha, you think Nick Cafardo actually thinks before he speaks.
 
2012-08-25 07:05:29 PM  
Gonzalez, Zimermann and Detwiler will have a great time striking them out this postseason.
 
2012-08-25 07:06:14 PM  

The Ghost of Tom Ace: Beckett is still a pretty good pitcher and he will slide nicely into the #3 spot, effectively bumping Blanton out of the rotation.


You missed Billingsley potentially missing the rest of the regular season.
 
2012-08-25 07:06:22 PM  

bhcompy: TheOther: Here's hoping that Bobby V still gets canned for this miserable season.

He's not really the problem. The problem is the clubhouse and the fact that it's Boston. Francona didn't do any better with the same team.


Stuffing Valentine's ego into that clubhouse was a terrible mistake. Bill Buckner will look like a hero to Boston fans by the time V's fired.
 
2012-08-25 07:08:04 PM  
The O's now have a higher 2013 salary than the Red Sox.
 
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