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(Boulder Daily Camera)   Boulder physics professor wants to cancel classes if a student has a concealed weapons permit, saying it would dampen classroom debate. Because everyone knows gunfights often break out during physics debates   (dailycamera.com ) divider line
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2012-08-25 06:54:46 PM  
i151.photobucket.com

More often than you think.
 
2012-08-25 06:57:05 PM  

Cpl.D: Physics is just applied math.


Math is applied logic.
 
2012-08-25 07:02:42 PM  
www.shardcore.org
 
2012-08-25 07:02:52 PM  
The sad thing is that the right-wing nut jobs will be mentally incapable of seeing the cognitive disconnect between saying a pharmacist should not be legally required to dispense "morning after" pills and saying that a college professor should be legally required to be in the presence of armed students.
 
2012-08-25 07:05:00 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: Cpl.D: Physics is just applied math.

Math is applied logic.


math is applied philo..oh I give up, someone post the relevant XKCD comic of pureness and let's move along.

/gun control is being able to hit your target.
 
2012-08-25 07:05:01 PM  

Cpl.D: Physics is just applied math.


Kumana Wanalaia: Cpl.D: Physics is just applied math.

Math is applied logic.


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-08-25 07:06:47 PM  
hackhix

Ok class, today let's discuss high velocity assault weapons and accuracy

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No box for NY pd?
 
2012-08-25 07:06:59 PM  

remus: That was breathtakingly funny to watch the report. So, you're saying that a professionally trained shooter with exact knowledge of who is armed in the classroom is somehow able to shoot them before they can draw? Really? Amazing!

// I kept screaming; let's try this with an equally untrained shooter and give them zero knowledge that anyone in the classroom might be carrying concealed. Now, let's watch what happens....


That video has been around forever. It was made by an anti-gun group to show, well, precisely what they wanted it to show. They just managed to get it on TV when the Aurora shooting happened. I'll even let them have their contrived situation so long as I get to designate my own trained CCW: Rob Leatham a man that can draw and put six rounds on six 8-inch targets in less than 3 seconds.

Ya he's the best in the world, so what? If they can stack it with their guy, I want to stack it with mine :).
 
2012-08-25 07:07:13 PM  

Molavian: Cpl.D: Physics is just applied math.

Kumana Wanalaia: Cpl.D: Physics is just applied math.

Math is applied logic.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 740x308]


damn, your fast, one second and you provided. Bravo.
 
2012-08-25 07:08:07 PM  

Hyjamon: Molavian: Cpl.D: Physics is just applied math.

Kumana Wanalaia: Cpl.D: Physics is just applied math.

Math is applied logic.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 740x308]

damn, your fast, one second and you provided. Bravo.


You should ask my wife about it.
 
2012-08-25 07:12:19 PM  
A school should be able to dictate its own firearms policy.

No, this policy won't stop someone from bringing a gun to campus or shooting people. But it turns out that many people don't want to be reminded, constantly, that hey there could be guns around.
 
2012-08-25 07:13:32 PM  
Bazinga!
 
2012-08-25 07:15:02 PM  

Oznog: [www.infobarrel.com image 499x348]

Actually, if you try to argue electron flow as the "correct" direction for the arrow in a circuit with an engineer, there WILL be a fight with any and all weapons within arm's reach.


I thought we were talking about REAL scientists here, not engineers.
 
2012-08-25 07:23:51 PM  

phildonnia: [www.shardcore.org image 540x537]


Came in here to make sure Tycho Brahe was covered. Good job.
 
2012-08-25 07:23:58 PM  

Albert911emt: I don't the professor is necessarily wrong. Lots of people have short fuses, and are easily offended by small shiat. Whether someone has a concealed weapons permit isn't really the point. If someone is carrying a gun around, I would ask myself why they feel the need to. How do I know that this person is reasonable, and not likely to go off the deep end If I say something about his mother, or about how much I hate the Cowboys, or whether tea partiers are a lunatic fringe group unworthy of respect?


It's funny, but a guy in my Con Law class would have likely caught a bullet one day when he started telling a female professor and a room full of female students OUR reasons for wanting abortions (during a Roe v. Wade discussion).

This might not be a bad thing, really; pre-empt the "F*CK YOU AND YOUR STUPID OPINIONS BLAM BLAM BLAM!" response so many people seem to have nowadays.
 
2012-08-25 07:24:52 PM  
A college chancellor telling the faculty that they are going to do the job they signed up for if they expect to continue working and getting paid, while leaving their own little personal agendas at home where they belong?!

What is this I don't even...
 
2012-08-25 07:25:47 PM  

TheOther: I thought we were talking about REAL scientists here, not engineers.


...
 
2012-08-25 07:26:14 PM  
sounds like professer needs an education...
 
2012-08-25 07:28:26 PM  

the_chief: I carried every day in class, and I never killed anybody.


Being paranoid 24-7 must really be exhausting.
 
2012-08-25 07:31:11 PM  

Karma Chameleon: the_chief: I carried every day in class, and I never killed anybody.

Being paranoid 24-7 must really be exhausting.


I have fire extinguishers in nearly every room in my house. I must be Terrified of fire.
 
2012-08-25 07:34:09 PM  

Spirit Hammer: Karma Chameleon: the_chief: I carried every day in class, and I never killed anybody.

Being paranoid 24-7 must really be exhausting.

I have fire extinguishers in nearly every room in my house. I must be Terrified of fire.


If you have extinguishers in every room of the house...yeah, I'd say that's an irrational response to fear of fire.
 
2012-08-25 07:40:22 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Spirit Hammer: Karma Chameleon: the_chief: I carried every day in class, and I never killed anybody.

Being paranoid 24-7 must really be exhausting.

I have fire extinguishers in nearly every room in my house. I must be Terrified of fire.

If you have extinguishers in every room of the house...yeah, I'd say that's an irrational response to fear of fire.


Had a house fire once, and lost everything including 3 pets and a family friend who was trapped upstairs.
Lots of burning takes place between the call for help and the arrival of the FD.
 
2012-08-25 07:42:19 PM  
I'd love to surround myself with law-abiding concealed weapon carriers, so that I wouldn't need to carry a gun. Kinda like the anti-vaxxers who rely on "herd immunity."
 
2012-08-25 07:48:55 PM  

Oznog: [www.infobarrel.com image 499x348]

Actually, if you try to argue electron flow as the "correct" direction for the arrow in a circuit with an engineer, there WILL be a fight with any and all weapons within arm's reach.


Mmmm..... Tron flow vs. hole flow debate. Who cares as long as the things in the middle work.
 
2012-08-25 07:55:06 PM  

LIGAFF: "...and then during discussion, Tyffiney started arguing for 26 dimension string theory. Prof. Peterson had already told the biatch 3 times that it doesn't account for massless fermions, so I had to draw on the biatch so she'd shut up."


I laughed out loud.
 
2012-08-25 07:56:22 PM  
As a physics undergraduate at University of Iowa in the early '90s, I have personal experience with at least one physics debate that ended in a gunfight. Well, maybe not so much a physics debate as a "I'm mad I didn't get an award debate." So I can kind of see where this guy is coming from.
 
2012-08-25 07:59:46 PM  

remus: That was breathtakingly funny to watch the report. So, you're saying that a professionally trained shooter with exact knowledge of who is armed in the classroom is somehow able to shoot them before they can draw? Really? Amazing!


The Secret Service has the best trained gunman in the world and even they couldn't stop Reagan from being shot. All this bullshiat about more guns being the answer just shows how stupid the entire conservative movement has become. REAGAN WAS STILL SHOT EVEN THOUGH HE WAS PROTECTED BY HEAVILY ARMED GUARDS. That a fact.. The rest is bullshiat.
 
2012-08-25 08:03:15 PM  

Molavian: Cpl.D: Physics is just applied math.

Kumana Wanalaia: Cpl.D: Physics is just applied math.

Math is applied logic.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 740x308]


sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-08-25 08:03:17 PM  

sycraft: remus: That was breathtakingly funny to watch the report. So, you're saying that a professionally trained shooter with exact knowledge of who is armed in the classroom is somehow able to shoot them before they can draw? Really? Amazing!

// I kept screaming; let's try this with an equally untrained shooter and give them zero knowledge that anyone in the classroom might be carrying concealed. Now, let's watch what happens....

That video has been around forever. It was made by an anti-gun group to show, well, precisely what they wanted it to show. They just managed to get it on TV when the Aurora shooting happened. I'll even let them have their contrived situation so long as I get to designate my own trained CCW: Rob Leatham a man that can draw and put six rounds on six 8-inch targets in less than 3 seconds.

Ya he's the best in the world, so what? If they can stack it with their guy, I want to stack it with mine :).


Damn that guys incredible.
 
2012-08-25 08:07:31 PM  

fastbow: Harry_Seldon: the_chief: I carried every day in class, and I never killed anybody.

Do you need to carry a large liability insurance policy? Why do you feel the need to carry a gun to school?

Depends on the campus. Nice little liberal arts college in its own community in what passes for the middle of nowhere in the Northeast? Probably don't need to.

University in a bad neighborhood in a major city, especially if you have an early morning or night class? You bet I'm as armed as I legally can be.


On the other hand if guns weren't allowed on campus, and students were searched and denied entry for carrying weapons, then you wouldn't need a gun to listen to a lecture.

I don't want anyone with a gun besides a cop inside anywhere I'm at. I don't know any of you and I don't trust any of you, and no one should be forced to arm themselves to feel safe just because some jackass feels paranoid in the philosophy class. Maybe I should strap some bombs to my chest as a fail safe for heading to the grocery store?
 
2012-08-25 08:11:12 PM  

Intoxoman: Damn that guys incredible.


As I said, the best in the world. If there's a better pistoleer I've never seen them. Won many, many championships. Also, a very nice guy in general which makes him so much more likable. Very friendly and almost too humble.

But hey, they want to set up a contrived test, I bet he could beat the test.
 
2012-08-25 08:13:07 PM  
reiterated that the presence of guns in his classroom "would destroy the learning environment."

Maybe this would be a learning opportunity for you and your liberal friends to see how a citizen exercising his 2nd Amendment Right will not just start shooting people and will argue a point based on the facts and not his feelings!
 
2012-08-25 08:17:26 PM  

draa: remus: That was breathtakingly funny to watch the report. So, you're saying that a professionally trained shooter with exact knowledge of who is armed in the classroom is somehow able to shoot them before they can draw? Really? Amazing!

The Secret Service has the best trained gunman in the world and even they couldn't stop Reagan from being shot. All this bullshiat about more guns being the answer just shows how stupid the entire conservative movement has become. REAGAN WAS STILL SHOT EVEN THOUGH HE WAS PROTECTED BY HEAVILY ARMED GUARDS. That a fact.. The rest is bullshiat.


Hinkley was an insane gunman focused on killing Regan, and was willing to die to get it done, and he was shut down, almost instantly.
On the other hand, the Aurora gunman got off over 116 shots, injuring 58 and killing 12 and he was unopposed.
Someone shooting back might have changed that. Sure it was dark, but HE could see to shoot, so why assume that no one else could?
 
2012-08-25 08:19:33 PM  
At the University of Iowa, a phyics student shot up the campus and killed several physics professors.
 
2012-08-25 08:21:45 PM  
If you get to wear a concealed weapon to class, then I'll have to wear body armor because I don't trust anyone with a handgun who I do not know well. I have met waaaay too many jackasses with handgun permits to ever assume that anyone with a carry permit knows what they're doing.
 
2012-08-25 08:42:29 PM  
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2012-08-25 04:20:22 PM
"The physics professor -- who has said he simply wants his students to feel safe to engage in discussions that could become controversial -- reiterated that the presence of guns in his classroom "would destroy the learning environment."

I would love to know what this guy is teaching!


I have to go with the prof on this.
I have to believe it's distracting to heatedly debate someone who's packing heat
 
2012-08-25 08:43:21 PM  

Krieghund: People_are_Idiots: Jeez, in physics, I learned how to build a hovercraft cheaply

Did you fill it with eels?


... you want matches?
 
2012-08-25 08:50:14 PM  

MisterMook: University in a bad neighborhood in a major city, especially if you have an early morning or night class? You bet I'm as armed as I legally can be.

On the other hand if guns weren't allowed on campus, and students were searched and denied entry for carrying weapons, then you wouldn't need a gun to listen to a lecture.

I don't want anyone with a gun besides a cop inside anywhere I'm at. I don't know any of you and I don't trust any of you, and no one should be forced to arm themselves to feel safe just because some jackass feels paranoid in the philosophy class. Maybe I should strap some bombs to my chest as a fail safe for heading to the grocery store?



I personally would rather have someone who not only paid but went through the training course for concealed carry than someone who is carrying a gun illegally, shooting up the place. Just ask The people at Virginia Tech.
 
2012-08-25 08:51:12 PM  

dstrick44: hackhix

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2012-08-25 04:20:22 PM
"The physics professor -- who has said he simply wants his students to feel safe to engage in discussions that could become controversial -- reiterated that the presence of guns in his classroom "would destroy the learning environment."

I would love to know what this guy is teaching!

I have to go with the prof on this.
I have to believe it's distracting to heatedly debate someone who's packing heat


You're projecting.
Most of us can heatedly debate something without resorting to violence.
That includes stabbing with pens, pencils, hitting with book-bags, fists or whatever.
 
2012-08-25 08:55:28 PM  

Spirit Hammer: Sure it was dark, but HE could see to shoot, so why assume that no one else could?


Every single person in that room was the gunman's target. It didn't matter how well he could see to shoot, he was firing into a crowd and any bullet that hit flesh was a good shot in his mind.

For someone returning fire, their target would be a single person, in a dark room, surrounded by dozens and dozens of other people, all of them starting to panic, with the flickering lights and loud sounds of the movie still going, and the air filling with teargas (making their eyes water like sonsabiches and their breathing extremely difficult).

But sure, go ahead and conflate the two.
 
2012-08-25 08:59:13 PM  
Hey professor, keep your political beliefs out of the classroom.
 
2012-08-25 09:03:24 PM  
What kind of physics does this crying wimpbag teach? Feathers and milk? Hoe much milk can you have if you ate 5 cocokies? If each feather weighted 0.9 grams, how many Newtons, ohh, Newton, that adorable man.
 
2012-08-25 09:03:45 PM  

Lachwen: Spirit Hammer: Sure it was dark, but HE could see to shoot, so why assume that no one else could?

Every single person in that room was the gunman's target. It didn't matter how well he could see to shoot, he was firing into a crowd and any bullet that hit flesh was a good shot in his mind.

For someone returning fire, their target would be a single person, in a dark room, surrounded by dozens and dozens of other people, all of them starting to panic, with the flickering lights and loud sounds of the movie still going, and the air filling with teargas (making their eyes water like sonsabiches and their breathing extremely difficult).

But sure, go ahead and conflate the two.


Well, from various accounts, he entered from a door at the front of the theater, and I would imagine (since I wasn't there) that people would be moving away from him and not surrounding him. In fact, I would assume that he was a lone figure in the front of the theater, and the only one firing. Hunting people that were hiding under seats, etc.
You may be resigned to your position of needing others to defend you, but some of us are not.
 
2012-08-25 09:14:26 PM  

Spirit Hammer: Gyrfalcon: Spirit Hammer: Karma Chameleon: the_chief: I carried every day in class, and I never killed anybody.

Being paranoid 24-7 must really be exhausting.

I have fire extinguishers in nearly every room in my house. I must be Terrified of fire.

If you have extinguishers in every room of the house...yeah, I'd say that's an irrational response to fear of fire.

Had a house fire once, and lost everything including 3 pets and a family friend who was trapped upstairs.
Lots of burning takes place between the call for help and the arrival of the FD.


OK, I can respect that.
 
2012-08-25 09:22:23 PM  
afraid of a kid with a gun? why? I bet they have an entire building or two full of chemists.
 
2012-08-25 09:24:46 PM  
Texas Concealed Handgun holder here. Here's food for thought, although granted it's one piece of anecdotal data. This is my response to everyone who thinks every argument will escalate into a gunfight.

I've found that when I'm carrying, I stay calmer, more alert, and less likely to go flying off the handle. Maybe it's because I know the TX legal system that will back me up if it turns out I was justified in pulling my gun, but also that I will be drawn and quartered in the courts if they can prove that I drew my pistol unprovoked.

Maybe it's something about not jumping to anger and escalating straight to deadly force, because there's no way to easily de-escalate that kind of situation once you've introduced the gun. It really is the last resort, and there's no 'take-backs' or 'do-overs'. I take that very seriously.

The fact is the laws for crimes committed while carrying a concealed weapon, especially as a permit holder, are more stringent and the punishments more severe. I take my freedom very seriously, and make a conscious effort to stay that way by behaving in a civil and responsible manner.

It's kind of a hard concept to put into words, but maybe I can oversimplify by saying that my pistol reminds me not to be a jackass.
 
2012-08-25 09:31:29 PM  
The point of CCW is the first letter: Concealed. These permits invariably require concealment. If it's unknown that the person is carrying, how can it have a dampening effect on anything?
 
2012-08-25 09:38:02 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: As a physics undergraduate at University of Iowa in the early '90s, I have personal experience with at least one physics debate that ended in a gunfight. Well, maybe not so much a physics debate as a "I'm mad I didn't get an award debate." So I can kind of see where this guy is coming from.


This, surely, is the Boulder faculty's real fear. I wouldn't want a gun anywhere on campus while I was handing back test scores or grades.
 
2012-08-25 09:41:26 PM  

rico567: The point of CCW is the first letter: Concealed. These permits invariably require concealment. If it's unknown that the person is carrying, how can it have a dampening effect on anything?


THIS!
If I'm carrying concealed correctly, no one will know. that's why I ignore the signs in movie theaters, grocery stores etc that say no weapons.
 
2012-08-25 09:43:31 PM  
A gun would help with the "shooting at a monkey" example.
 
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