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(Washington Post)   The US Navy tried to start a war with Iran and didn't tell anyone, including the President   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 138
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2012-08-26 12:12:39 AM  
Who knew a hard hitting article like this could be found in the Lifestyle Section.

Bright, brash, tall and sexy - she had modeling jobs between Berkeley and Georgetown - she seemed destined for a promising career. But she also revealed an early penchant for intrigue.

From there on, her life would seem to unfold as if it were an episode of "Alias" or "Covert Affairs." One time, "I hired a car and driver and drove across the Sinai from Cairo to the Israeli border, with Abba blaring on the stereo and feeling rather like Priscilla, Queen of the Desert," she recalled. Destination: Eliat, on the Red Sea. Mission: scuba diving.


Fark, I am disappoint. This thread should be littered with attention whore pics by now.
 
2012-08-26 12:15:38 AM  

BronyMedic: DrPainMD: After WW2, we executed people for crap like this. What happened to our nads and our sense of right and wrong?

We did? Who?

We executed a whole lot of GIs for Rape and Murder (most of them black, while the whites got lengthy prison terms), and one poor unlucky sod for Desertion, but I don't remember that happening.

We did ruin the career of a Five Star general because he wanted to nuke the Chinese in Northern Korea, though.


Umm... I was talking about the Germans we executed.
 
2012-08-26 12:17:23 AM  

Jon H: I'd rather have people pushing the limit than those who want to submit and apologize for everything.

/ex-navy here!


Exactly.

Too many people here think that if we are 'just nice' to countries that hate us and the West everything will be okay.

And far too many here think that peace is the absence of war. It isn't.

There are real threats in the world and the Farkers biatching about this are the same ones that would be biatching and pointing fingers if the military wasn't prepared. The only response they deserve is 'STFU' and the let the adults get on with things.

"We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." Winston Churchill.
 
2012-08-26 12:30:23 AM  

akula: I'm not sure I'd do this with a bunch of carriers at one time, but still, I have a hard time getting my ire up about the US Navy sailing in international waters. If they don't, the waters essentially cannot be viewed as that anymore... you've given them up in practice, if not officially.


Would you draw the same conclusion if Iranian warships sailed within 32 miles of the US coastline? Would that act be "not provocative?"
 
2012-08-26 12:37:23 AM  

douchebag/hater: Jon H: I'd rather have people pushing the limit than those who want to submit and apologize for everything.

/ex-navy here!

Exactly.

Too many people here think that if we are 'just nice' to countries that hate us and the West everything will be okay.

And far too many here think that peace is the absence of war. It isn't.

There are real threats in the world and the Farkers biatching about this are the same ones that would be biatching and pointing fingers if the military wasn't prepared. The only response they deserve is 'STFU' and the let the adults get on with things."


So those are the only two options in your world? I'm glad you're not the one running anything, whether you think you're an adult or not.
 
2012-08-26 12:38:35 AM  
DrPainMD: Umm... I was talking about the Germans we executed.

No, we did not. We executed them for running a program of mass human experimentation, mass genocide, and for not only being complacent with practices of warfare that would have made even the most barbaric hun blush, but for making murder, slavery, rape, and mayhem the official practice of the German Heer and SS during the Nazi Regime Era.

If you're going to pull a Godwin, you need to research what kind of claim you're making first.
 
2012-08-26 12:43:50 AM  

miss diminutive: I'm just surprised that so many agencies and military branches sound like they're being staffed by complete imbeciles.


Why is that?
 
2012-08-26 12:55:34 AM  

midigod: akula: I'm not sure I'd do this with a bunch of carriers at one time, but still, I have a hard time getting my ire up about the US Navy sailing in international waters. If they don't, the waters essentially cannot be viewed as that anymore... you've given them up in practice, if not officially.

Would you draw the same conclusion if Iranian warships sailed within 32 miles of the US coastline? Would that act be "not provocative?"


So you got a GED in navigation? 12 miles for sure and 24 miles for environmental, sanitary and customs\immigration controls. Anything beyond that and, unless they are fishing or pulling minerals out of the water (that's 200 miles), they are free to go up and down the coast all year long. They may have an escort some or even all of the time but they won't be stopped or hindered from making passage.
 
2012-08-26 12:59:45 AM  

midigod: akula: I'm not sure I'd do this with a bunch of carriers at one time, but still, I have a hard time getting my ire up about the US Navy sailing in international waters. If they don't, the waters essentially cannot be viewed as that anymore... you've given them up in practice, if not officially.

Would you draw the same conclusion if Iranian warships sailed within 32 miles of the US coastline? Would that act be "not provocative?"


Russian subs and bombers have been playing chicken with US airspace/waters recently. Should we declare war? What should we do?
 
2012-08-26 01:13:31 AM  
Giltric: midigod: akula: I'm not sure I'd do this with a bunch of carriers at one time, but still, I have a hard time getting my ire up about the US Navy sailing in international waters. If they don't, the waters essentially cannot be viewed as that anymore... you've given them up in practice, if not officially.

Would you draw the same conclusion if Iranian warships sailed within 32 miles of the US coastline? Would that act be "not provocative?"

Russian subs and bombers have been playing chicken with US airspace/waters recentlyFor the last 60 years.. Should we declare war? What should we do?
 

Fixed that for you. Russian and American ships and planes trying to troll eachother are a proud tradition of our nations.
 
2012-08-26 01:37:06 AM  
Sounds like she wasn't really found out for blowing the whistle, more like Adm. Cosgriff wanted to distance himself from anything involving the fallout from Cabelly's involvement in illegal dealings in Sudan (which brings up the possibility that one of his advising consultants is setting up something similar in Bahrain). Maybe he had a distaste for her but kept her around because he still felt she was an asset, and the mystery $30K she received from Cabelly while she was stationed in Bahrain under Adm. Cosgriff made the Admiral suspicious that she might be up to no good and that was the nail in the coffin.

That sounds more like the Occam's razor version of this story.
 
2012-08-26 01:46:08 AM  

JohnAnnArbor: "Or was hers a classic Washington tale of a strong woman slapped down for standing up to powerful men? "Sisterhood" wasn't a word that came easily to Todd's lips, but now she felt a kinship to Valerie Plame, the CIA operative outed by Bush officials because her diplomat husband challenged their case for invading Iraq."

Except that that is unadulterated bullshiat. Plame was revealed by Richard Armitage, who was known as a moron who tended to reveal classified information just to show how cool/smart/connected he was.

I know it doesn't fit the narrative of a complex White House conspiracy that was built up in the media before Armitage finally came clean, though, so our intrepid reporter ignores history and perpetuates a lie.


hahaha, well in the article she says that she goes through the Coast to Coast AM truther version of conspiracy theories about how it happened. It seems more like she had a baby with the wrong rich dude and his giving her $30K "for an operation," seems pretty suspicious. The lesson here is don't have an affair with someone that's making money by trading with terrorists, take a cash payment while at your post and expect to keep a security clearance job within the US government.

/BTW did anyone else find it odd that they didn't tell us what the operation that she needed was?

conspiracytheory2.com
 
2012-08-26 02:41:40 AM  

Stingy Alpha Wolf King Dude: Who will guard the guards?


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2012-08-26 02:44:17 AM  
Hey! I remember that show.

hot  dilo7031.files.wordpress.com 

and totally relevant.
 
2012-08-26 02:54:51 AM  

pedobearapproved: Sounds like she wasn't really found out for blowing the whistle, more like Adm. Cosgriff wanted to distance himself from anything involving the fallout from Cabelly's involvement in illegal dealings in Sudan (which brings up the possibility that one of his advising consultants is setting up something similar in Bahrain). Maybe he had a distaste for her but kept her around because he still felt she was an asset, and the mystery $30K she received from Cabelly while she was stationed in Bahrain under Adm. Cosgriff made the Admiral suspicious that she might be up to no good and that was the nail in the coffin.

That sounds more like the Occam's razor version of this story.


I was going to say much the same, but thank you, kind sir, for your preemtive, and acute summary.
 
2012-08-26 03:32:22 AM  
Preposterous? It had happened before, off North Vietnam in 1964. In the Tonkin Gulf incident, a Navy captain claimed a communist attack on his ship. President Lyndon Johnson swiftly ordered the bombing of North Vietnam, touching off a wider war that turned the country upside down and left more than 58,000 U.S. servicemen dead

Yeah, good thing nobody else died in 'nam. I hate reporting like this.

/USA USA USA
 
2012-08-26 06:22:35 AM  

midigod: akula: I'm not sure I'd do this with a bunch of carriers at one time, but still, I have a hard time getting my ire up about the US Navy sailing in international waters. If they don't, the waters essentially cannot be viewed as that anymore... you've given them up in practice, if not officially.

Would you draw the same conclusion if Iranian warships sailed within 32 miles of the US coastline? Would that act be "not provocative?"


Actually, I would. We have a blue water Navy that has the capabilities to project power. If Iran could cobble together a ship to get that far it'd only be for one reason..a one-way trip.

There are a lot of problems with this story, least of all there is NO way a 2 carrier battlegroup with an I'm assuming a Wasp class LHD could go anywhere without about 100 higher-ups approving those orders. And even if that COULD happen, this is a story (besides how apparently easy she was) about how she prevented a war. Ok, that waterway is absolutely covered with surface radar. A carrier isn't stealthy, it'll show up more than a skank at a frat party. There would've been no surprise.

If you believe this story, you've never served.

/Air Force I admit, but I did joint duty at the largest waste of office space in the world.
 
2012-08-26 07:40:07 AM  

tmonsta: Can someone tell me how a successful intelligence analyst fall for the "Oh sure I'll leave my wife for you, baby." ?


Seeing as how she got canned, I wouldn't really call her successful.

Beaver Knievel: And the sudden movement of THREE big decks would not be noticed by our National Command structure, Allies, regional players, and news media?


THIS!

Their movement in planned out year in advance. The guy isn't going to sneak them over there without the state Dept knowing about it.
 
2012-08-26 07:55:43 AM  
Carrie Fisher had a real job?

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2012-08-26 09:18:39 AM  

JasonOfOrillia: U.S. Central Command ... was itching to push the Iranians,

Military is designed to face threats and react to them aggressively. The Iranians have been perceived as threats for a long time. It's natural for Admirals and Generals to view them so. It's right for their elected overseers to set their agendas. The elected officials should be setting the agenda.


They arent being paid to have views.
 
2012-08-26 10:32:21 AM  

socoloco: They arent being paid to have views.


Sure they are. Who do you think draws up contingency plans for various scenarios/defense? CPAs and MBAs?

Maybe thats why we suck at winning wars....the wrong peoples views are being promoted above those who have actually rolled around in the mud and the blood.
 
2012-08-26 11:16:45 AM  

RoyBatty: Two people who were there said Cosgriff mused in a staff meeting one day that he'd like to steam a Navy frigate up the Shatt al Arab,

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Don't forget the three Big Decks.
 
2012-08-26 11:17:18 AM  

Junzi Nicuzn: FTA:

On the doorstep was a man who introduced himself as "Bill Phelps, a consular officer from the American Embassy."

He explained to Todd and her husband that Chinese hackers had been compromising U.S. passports, and he was warning ex-pat Americans about it. He was at the H's. Could he see her papers, please?

"Mine begins with T," she said. "My name is Todd." She nodded at her husband, Charles. "He's an H."

The man appeared flustered. "Oh, wait, let me think," she recalled him saying. "R, S, T. ... Oh, yeah, T's were compromised, too."

Rookie mistake, with a rookie recovery. My flabber was gasted when I read that part. Some mighty fine intelligence work there.

/the rest was pretty unbelievable as well


That sounded like a scam from the offset. I'm amazed she didn't laugh in his face.

/If this is standard FBI procedures, I can't wait for them to meet the ME generation.
 
2012-08-26 11:23:27 AM  

DrPainMD: After WW2, we executed people for crap like this. What happened to our nads and our sense of right and wrong?


Starting a war = cool

Informing others that a war is about to be provoked = treason

Not that I would take advice about criminal law from someone with what sounds like the BTK Killer's web moniker...
 
2012-08-26 11:28:58 AM  

BronyMedic: DrPainMD: After WW2, we executed people for crap like this. What happened to our nads and our sense of right and wrong?

We did? Who?

We executed a whole lot of GIs for Rape and Murder (most of them black, while the whites got lengthy prison terms), and one poor unlucky sod for Desertion, but I don't remember that happening.

We did ruin the career of a Five Star general because he wanted to nuke the Chinese in Northern Korea, though.


I think the general was relieved for writing to congressmen and telling them what a deechbag his boss the President was. Oh, and for being the OIC over two of the USA's biggest military defeats, within six months of each other. And for talking about nuking the Chinese in China without orders, and thereby starting World War III.
 
2012-08-26 11:38:20 AM  

Jon H: I'd rather have people pushing the limit than those who want to submit and apologize for everything.

/ex-navy here!


Jawohl das stimmt! Let us push the limit for Fuhrer and Reich!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn0GpUgYOEs
 
2012-08-26 11:48:06 AM  

Captain Steroid: WTF_Are_You_Looking_At: I for one would like to see a successful military coup in the U.S. sort of like like Syria.
Americans killing Americans.
Called it the 2nd. U.S. Civil War. Anything to jarred the average American from their American Idol, Toddlers ^ Tiaras lives.
Americans have forgotten what it is to live in a war torn country.
Americans are apathy toward the rest of the world.

You are a BASTARD. >:-(


So? Most Southern males fantasize about fighting in the Confederate army, or being a hillbilly American Arkan.
 
2012-08-26 11:56:52 AM  

HotWingAgenda: Wow, what an extremely long article about a typical pompous DC drama queen. It's amazing the DOD hired her in the first place.


Thank geaawd that drama queens don't get very far in the US military.

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2012-08-26 12:04:08 PM  

MeinRS6: HempHead: -

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So you're not going to give Iran any credit for killing Americans over the years? Not even the Marines in Lebanon?

Do you even recognize that the Iranians are the biggest state sponsors of global islamic terrorism?


He also ignores the fact that it was a misidentified target and they made numerous radio contact attempts before they fired.
 
2012-08-26 12:05:34 PM  

douchebag/hater: Jon H: I'd rather have people pushing the limit than those who want to submit and apologize for everything.

/ex-navy here!

Exactly.

Too many people here think that if we are 'just nice' to countries that hate us and the West everything will be okay.

And far too many here think that peace is the absence of war. It isn't.

There are real threats in the world and the Farkers biatching about this are the same ones that would be biatching and pointing fingers if the military wasn't prepared. The only response they deserve is 'STFU' and the let the adults get on with things.

"We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." Winston Churchill.


So this is the land of the freedums, but the 99.5% who are civvies need to STFU and let Sluggo get his war on at civvie's expense? Nuh uh. Civvie needs to secure freedom by defunding or jailing the military rogue operators. Most societies fall due to domestic folly, not foreign invasion. The US's General Ripper types are a good case in point.
 
2012-08-26 01:10:25 PM  

miss diminutive: That whole thing was like reading a bad Tom Clancy novel.

I'm just surprised that so many agencies and military branches sound like they're being staffed by complete imbeciles.


Contradicting a superior in the military is known as a "career-limiting action," so it would be more surprising to me if they weren't all staffed by imbeciles. They self-select for sycophants and psychopaths, there's not much room for the wise leader who asks what he might have overlooked before taking action.
 
2012-08-26 01:49:11 PM  

foxyshadis: miss diminutive: That whole thing was like reading a bad Tom Clancy novel.

I'm just surprised that so many agencies and military branches sound like they're being staffed by complete imbeciles.

Contradicting a superior in the military is known as a "career-limiting action," so it would be more surprising to me if they weren't all staffed by imbeciles. They self-select for sycophants and psychopaths, there's not much room for the wise leader who asks what he might have overlooked before taking action.


This is beyond stupid. Officers and higher grade NCO's in the military are better educated than the average civilian, and while yes, being insubordinate is "career-limiting" every billet I had was populated by thoughtful, reasonable people. One thing any officer looking for career advancement wants is someone to point out possible pitfalls of their actions. It only takes one mistake to end their advancement. The military hate in this thread is astounding.

/unless you're a troll, in which case 10/10.
 
2012-08-26 04:19:06 PM  

X_Legend: The military hate in this thread is astounding.


Really? This is Fark, ya know.
 
2012-08-26 05:10:17 PM  

X_Legend: foxyshadis: miss diminutive: That whole thing was like reading a bad Tom Clancy novel.

I'm just surprised that so many agencies and military branches sound like they're being staffed by complete imbeciles.

Contradicting a superior in the military is known as a "career-limiting action," so it would be more surprising to me if they weren't all staffed by imbeciles. They self-select for sycophants and psychopaths, there's not much room for the wise leader who asks what he might have overlooked before taking action.

This is beyond stupid. Officers and higher grade NCO's in the military are better educated than the average civilian, and while yes, being insubordinate is "career-limiting" every billet I had was populated by thoughtful, reasonable people. One thing any officer looking for career advancement wants is someone to point out possible pitfalls of their actions. It only takes one mistake to end their advancement. The military hate in this thread is astounding.

/unless you're a troll, in which case 10/10.


You must have been pretty lucky in your assignments then, or maybe the branch you were in wasn't as bad. During my 6 years in the Air Force, I saw a lot of people promoted more for their ability to kiss ass than actually doing anything relevant to either their normal work or the mission at hand. Of course I was in a nice behind the lines support job, so I can't speak for the SPs or other areas.
 
2012-08-26 08:19:10 PM  
Uh, the woman worked for an Enron associate, Global Crossing.

That caps her credibility at 15%.
 
2012-08-26 08:23:58 PM  

BolshyGreatYarblocks: BronyMedic: DrPainMD: After WW2, we executed people for crap like this. What happened to our nads and our sense of right and wrong?

We did? Who?

We executed a whole lot of GIs for Rape and Murder (most of them black, while the whites got lengthy prison terms), and one poor unlucky sod for Desertion, but I don't remember that happening.

We did ruin the career of a Five Star general because he wanted to nuke the Chinese in Northern Korea, though.

I think the general was relieved for writing to congressmen and telling them what a deechbag his boss the President was. Oh, and for being the OIC over two of the USA's biggest military defeats, within six months of each other. And for talking about nuking the Chinese in China without orders, and thereby starting World War III.


MacArthur? He never did get around to explaining that $500,000 he took out of the Phillipines, and forgot to declare on his taxes...

FDR apparently knew about it, and was holding the info in case Mac. Ever got into politics, since he was Republican. Dunno if Truman ever got told...FDR didn't keep him in the loop 100% , apparently.
 
2012-08-26 11:11:50 PM  
A stitch in time saves nine.

Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill.--J.R.R. Tolkien

We may be about to witness the nine stitches.

To reiterate, there are no guarantees in life.
 
2012-08-27 10:43:29 AM  
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