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(Washington Post)   The US Navy tried to start a war with Iran and didn't tell anyone, including the President   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 138
    More: Scary, U.S. Navy, Iran, Iran-Iraq War, vice admirals, territorial claim, Defense Intelligence Agency, National Security Council, George H. W. Bush  
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2012-08-25 09:28:31 PM  

Maul555: WTF... This thing reads like a one sided puff piece for this lady. There are serious allegations being raised that need further investigation, but holy shiat.... The ass-kissing its too much... waaaay waaaay too much. It calls into question the credibility of the entire article.


Agreed. Two things jumped out at me. The first was the sending the frigate into the area between Iraq and Iran. That was done after the Iranians captured the crew of a British patrol boat and held them. This would have merely been a middle finger in response to that. Send an Arleigh Burke out with the message of "try to capture this". That was more in the vein of continuing the pissing match, not starting a war.

The second one was the three flatdecks in the Gulf. It happened a week after Cosgriff planned it and no one went to war. All the big decks really do is taunt the Iranians to take potshots at them. They don't really increase the capability of the Gulf region given how many airfields we have there.

Sounds more like she got busted for improper business dealings in Sudan (well Cabelly did) and she's trying to make herself sound better by talking about how she stopped a war. Sounds better than I'm living in Australia to duck the FBI and continued unpleasant questions.

/the minute Cosgiff cut orders to move 2 carriers people upstairs would notice, it wouldn't shock me to discover some other Admiral who was more politically aware jerked Cosgiff up short long before this woman ever called anyone
 
2012-08-25 09:28:56 PM  
I'd rather have people pushing the limit than those who want to submit and apologize for everything.

/ex-navy here!
 
2012-08-25 09:29:25 PM  

Gyrfalcon: T-Servo: Gyrfalcon: Whistleblowing isn't good for your career plans.

Neither is accepting money from Sudanese-paid lobbyists with whom you've had an affair. CIs don't see that as cool.

Was that before or after the handsome Aussie boyfriend? Goddamn, I couldn't wade through all the fluff to find the actual story.


I think it came after her Egyptian Abba-soundtracked chauffeured scuba trip.

/yeesh, gamble so recklessly with spooks, she was bound to get burned
//not defending the Navy's cowboys, but she also takes credit for stopping war with Iran?
 
2012-08-25 09:32:27 PM  
For the past year, the air had been electric with reports of impending U.S. or Israeli attacks on Iran. If this maneuver were carried out, Todd and others feared, the Iranians would freak out. At the least, they'd cancel a critical diplomatic meeting coming up with U.S. officials.

Oh no, they might have cancelled a critical diplomatic meeting that didn't accomplish anything! Someone call the UN and have them write a sternly written letter about this! The article tries hard to make this sound serious, but fails.
 
2012-08-25 09:33:58 PM  

Jon H: I'd rather have people pushing the limit than those who want to submit and apologize for everything.

/ex-navy here!


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2012-08-25 09:34:35 PM  
They also did this type of thing in the Gulf of Tonkin incident as justification to get us into Vietnam, too. fark the Military and their unquenchable thirst for blood.
 
2012-08-25 09:38:29 PM  

detritus: They also did this type of thing in the Gulf of Tonkin incident as justification to get us into Vietnam, too. fark the Military and their unquenchable thirst for blood.


there's also Operation Northwoods
 
2012-08-25 09:39:34 PM  

Maul555: WTF... This thing reads like a one sided puff piece for this lady. There are serious allegations being raised that need further investigation, but holy shiat.... The ass-kissing its too much... waaaay waaaay too much. It calls into question the credibility of the entire article.


Well, to be fair they did seek comment from the other side. If they're not going to comment of course the article would be one sided.
 
2012-08-25 09:41:49 PM  
Id have enjoyed TFA far more if there was less bio about the lady, kinda lost me when they got into seemingly unimportant parts of her past/lineage, etc.
 
2012-08-25 09:46:02 PM  
I like the incongruity of the facts have with the purported intentions the author tries to proscribe to the bush administration.

Previous 5th Fleet commanders had resisted various ploys by Bush administration hawks to threaten the Tehran regime.

the author asserts that the bush administration tried to get the navy to threaten Iran, but claims the navy wasn't having it. a pretty outrageous claim, but no quotes are provided, and there is no reference at all about how the author is aware of this amazing fact. this was apparently back when the bush administration was simply trying to keep Iraq in one piece and sending 50k additional troops to that hell hole. ok let's keep going.

But in spring 2007, a new commander arrived with an ambitious program to show the Iranians who was boss in the Persian Gulf.

well hell, sounds like according to the author back during the height of the Iraqi surge the bush administration finally got what it wanted, a complaint admiral that was willing to try to start a war with Iran at maybe the most inopportune moment in U.S. history.
so what did this new admiral do?

According to Todd and another witness, Cosgriff's idea, presented in a series of staff meetings, was to sail three "big decks," as aircraft carriers are known, through the Strait of Hormuz - to put a virtual armada, unannounced, on Iran's doorstep. No advance notice, even to Saudi Arabia and other gulf allies. Not only that, they said, Cosgriff ordered his staff to keep the State Department in the dark, too.


wtf, the evil admiral wants to keep the evil bush administration in the dark about his plan to bring 3 carriers to the mulah's beachs? why would he want to hide this information from what would surely be a grateful and rewarding president? even though the u.s. was bogged down in Iraq, the author claims the bush administration wanted war and was pushing the navy to start it, without even offering one example, yet the author also claims the Admiral was worried about the administration finding out. so which is it?

When Cosgriff instructed Todd and other staff not to tell the State Department about his plan to marshal the big decks (two aircraft carriers, an amphibious helicopter assault carrier and five supporting warships) that May in 2007, Todd said, it was just too much. She immediately called a family friend at the State Department's Iran desk. Her contact alerted superiors, according to sources familiar with events, and Cosgriff was told to stand down, at least until the critical conference with the Iranians was over...
Cosgriff was furious about "the [expletive] storm" coming down on him from Washington because of the leak, according to Todd and another staff member.
 
2012-08-25 09:46:49 PM  

PsyLord: FTA: According to Todd and another witness, Cosgriff's idea, presented in a series of staff meetings, was to sail three "big decks," as aircraft carriers are known, through the Strait of Hormuz - to put a virtual armada, unannounced, on Iran's doorstep. No advance notice, even to Saudi Arabia and other gulf allies. Not only that, they said, Cosgriff ordered his staff to keep the State Department in the dark, too.

To Todd, it was like something straight out of "Seven Days in May," the 1964 political thriller about a right-wing U.S. military coup. A retired senior naval officer familiar with Cosgriff's thinking said the deployment plan was not intended to be provocative.

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Maybe it's me, but if 3 aircraft carriers showed up in the Gulf, it's not a "virtual armada" - it's a real-life physical armada.

/Literally, the use of figurative colloquialism drive me crazy.
//So THERE, slashies.
 
2012-08-25 09:48:08 PM  
Mandrake, this is General Ripper. Do you recognize my voice?
 
2012-08-25 09:51:27 PM  
That story really should have ended at page 1. Yikes.
 
2012-08-25 09:52:42 PM  

Oznog: BarkingUnicorn: FTA: the Navy's Inspector General Hotline, which responded that it "will neither confirm, nor deny, receipt of your Hotline complaint via email of 28 Feb 2008."

How Orwellian... or Monty Pythian (Pythonian?)

I'm gonna go with "Kafkaesque".


I'd say closer to Pynchonian.
 
2012-08-25 09:53:28 PM  
I'm calling BS on this whole story. There's no way she was a model.
 
2012-08-25 09:53:49 PM  

Oznog: BarkingUnicorn: FTA: the Navy's Inspector General Hotline, which responded that it "will neither confirm, nor deny, receipt of your Hotline complaint via email of 28 Feb 2008."

How Orwellian... or Monty Pythian (Pythonian?)

I'm gonna go with "Kafkaesque".


You'll need to check with Brigadier Arthur Parker Schmitt... 

i218.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-25 09:57:30 PM  
Just get to war with Iran already and shut up about it. The U.S. is like that drama queen that annoys the hell out of everyone. Please, just shut up.
 
2012-08-25 09:58:28 PM  
i was thinking that some powerful medicine will stop this type of thought process
 
2012-08-25 10:02:18 PM  
Trust no one. And stay out of black oil puddles.
 
2012-08-25 10:03:33 PM  
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www.kavehfarrokh.com
 
2012-08-25 10:07:51 PM  

miss diminutive: That whole thing was like reading a bad Tom Clancy novel.

I'm just surprised that so many agencies and military branches sound like they're being staffed by complete imbeciles.


I wouldn't call them imbeciles, but if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck....

The real reason it seems so prevalent is that people in these positions have usually been in them for a very long career and begin to lose perspective and the inability to approach things with a fresh even mind (tunnel vision). Basically the whole "if all you have is a hammer, after a while everything starts to look like a nail"

I would like to see more military (Pentagon) oversight, and even more so for our civilian police forces. But then you get into a tricky game of mucking up the system with enough red tape that it can't do it's job when it needs to act quickly. There must certainly be a middle ground and I'm sure we can do better than this (provided we have all the facts here)
 
2012-08-25 10:10:00 PM  
In light of this, I now think about the USS Vincennes firing a missile at Iran Air Flight 655.
 
2012-08-25 10:12:19 PM  
So she went outside her chain of command to report what she thought was an attempt to start a war. That alone should have had her arrested and fired.

What is this I don't even
 
2012-08-25 10:15:12 PM  
I for one would like to see a successful military coup in the U.S. sort of like like Syria.
Americans killing Americans.
Called it the 2nd. U.S. Civil War. Anything to jarred the average American from their American Idol, Toddlers ^ Tiaras lives.
Americans have forgotten what it is to live in a war torn country.
Americans are apathy toward the rest of the world.
 
2012-08-25 10:16:02 PM  
Shes probably just the victim of one of the unwritten rules of intel circles and has been blackballed:

Don't pretend you don't know what sanctions the guy whos peenering your orifices is breaking, you're in the intel business for chrissakes.
 
2012-08-25 10:18:03 PM  

WTF_Are_You_Looking_At: I for one would like to see a successful military coup in the U.S. sort of like like Syria.
Americans killing Americans.
Called it the 2nd. U.S. Civil War. Anything to jarred the average American from their American Idol, Toddlers ^ Tiaras lives.
Americans have forgotten what it is to live in a war torn country.
Americans are apathy toward the rest of the world.


You are a BASTARD. >:-(
 
2012-08-25 10:21:18 PM  
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, to read something that indicates individuals may have been working behind the scenes with crass motives of profiteering from war.
www.hongpong.com
 
2012-08-25 10:22:47 PM  
HempHead: -

i.imgur.com

So you're not going to give Iran any credit for killing Americans over the years? Not even the Marines in Lebanon?

Do you even recognize that the Iranians are the biggest state sponsors of global islamic terrorism?
 
2012-08-25 10:39:05 PM  

MeinRS6: So you're not going to give Iran any credit for killing Americans over the years? Not even the Marines in Lebanon?


www.newsmaxstore.com
 
2012-08-25 10:43:19 PM  

Captain Steroid: WTF_Are_You_Looking_At: I for one would like to see a successful military coup in the U.S. sort of like like Syria.
Americans killing Americans.
Called it the 2nd. U.S. Civil War. Anything to jarred the average American from their American Idol, Toddlers ^ Tiaras lives.
Americans have forgotten what it is to live in a war torn country.
Americans are apathy toward the rest of the world.

You are a BASTARD. >:-(


The truth hurts doesn't it?
 
2012-08-25 10:50:24 PM  
BTW, this is what her baby-daddy Cabelly was up to in Sudan. If he was accused of handing over sensitive US information to Sudan, it's not exactly a surprise that Todd's security clearance was pulled. And in a job like that, a contractor is persona non grata without a clearance. 

I assume there is much more to the story than meets the eye.
 
2012-08-25 10:59:00 PM  
iheartscotch

miss diminutive: That whole thing was like reading a bad Tom Clancy novel.

I'm just surprised that so many agencies and military branches sound like they're being staffed by complete imbeciles.

Either that; or they have one big red button labeled WAR.


/ push the button!! 


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2012-08-25 11:00:54 PM  

detritus: They also did this type of thing in the Gulf of Tonkin incident as justification to get us into Vietnam, too. fark the Military and their unquenchable thirst for blood.

money and power.

better more truthier less dramaticer
 
2012-08-25 11:03:55 PM  

jimmyjackfunk: isn't the strait as well as the majority of the gulf littered with mines that Iran so conveniently placed there back in the 1980 war with Iraq? Or did we manage to get the majority of them cleaned up post Iraq-Iran war?


We didn't. Would be a real shame if a US ship hit a mine and sank. That sort of thing could lead to a war.
 
2012-08-25 11:07:56 PM  

kapaso: Again?


Exactly what I came here to say.
 
2012-08-25 11:08:08 PM  
Wow, what an extremely long article about a typical pompous DC drama queen. It's amazing the DOD hired her in the first place.
 
2012-08-25 11:10:38 PM  

One Bad Apple: How does freedom of navigation in international waters start a war ?


Well, it depends on if one side doesnt agree that freedom of navigation applies to the water in question.
 
2012-08-25 11:11:18 PM  

NephilimNexus: jimmyjackfunk: isn't the strait as well as the majority of the gulf littered with mines that Iran so conveniently placed there back in the 1980 war with Iraq? Or did we manage to get the majority of them cleaned up post Iraq-Iran war?

We didn't. Would be a real shame if a US ship hit a mine and sank. That sort of thing could lead to a war.


i couldn't remember if the minesweepers did their job (assuming all they did was clear the strait to allow commerce and if there were any deep inside Iranian territorial waters they left them there. figure something like that it wouldn't be to hard to sneak some out into the water with fast boats under the cover of darkness in an attempt to disable or sink a vessel regardless of what flag they were flying.
 
2012-08-25 11:30:19 PM  

T-Servo: Gyrfalcon: Whistleblowing isn't good for your career plans.

Neither is accepting money from Sudanese-paid lobbyists with whom you've had an affair. CIs don't see that as cool.


Yah... that's sounding like your typical "the police busted so and so for wearing a pink shirt." Well, wearing a pink shirt, while carrying 10 pounds of pot and brandishing an AR-15 rifle through a school yard.

/And how does who she farked have any bearing on the story...
//...except to paint her as an adulterer as well as oppertunist
 
2012-08-25 11:36:15 PM  

ha-ha-guy:
Agreed. Two things jumped out at me. The first was the sending the frigate into the area between Iraq and Iran. That was done after the Iranians captured the crew of a British patrol boat and held them. This would have merely been a middle finger in response to that. Send an Arleigh Burke out with the message of "try to capture this". That was more in the vein of continuing the pissing match, not starting a war.


Point of order. An Arleigh Burke is a Destroyer, not a Frigate. Frigates have about half the crew, a quarter the weapons, and run on one propeller. Given the time period, most likely a Oliver Hazard Perry class frigate.
 
2012-08-25 11:39:20 PM  
According to Todd and another witness, Cosgriff's idea, presented in a series of staff meetings, was to sail three "big decks," as aircraft carriers are known, through the Strait of Hormuz - to put a virtual armada, unannounced, on Iran's doorstep. No advance notice, even to Saudi Arabia and other gulf allies. Not only that, they said, Cosgriff ordered his staff to keep the State Department in the dark, too.

And the sudden movement of THREE big decks would not be noticed by our National Command structure, Allies, regional players, and news media?

Absolute HORSEshiat!
 
2012-08-25 11:43:16 PM  
I'm not an Obamaphile. But it IS an election year. What are the odds an organisation is suggesting the President has lost control, or the faith and "special trust and confidence" of the the military?

ABSOLUTE CRAP.
 
2012-08-25 11:44:16 PM  
Look, it's an interesting article and all, but I really need to know how I can use this against my political opponents before I can make an informed opinion.
 
2012-08-25 11:45:14 PM  

HempHead: cdn2.thinkbynumbers.org



That's some good trolling right there.
 
2012-08-25 11:45:55 PM  
The biographical parts of her personal story made her seem just as dirty as the men she opposed.
I guess if it's true that she helped avoid a war, then she's less evil than them and deserves a high five.
 
2012-08-25 11:59:04 PM  
"Or was hers a classic Washington tale of a strong woman slapped down for standing up to powerful men? "Sisterhood" wasn't a word that came easily to Todd's lips, but now she felt a kinship to Valerie Plame, the CIA operative outed by Bush officials because her diplomat husband challenged their case for invading Iraq."

Except that that is unadulterated bullshiat. Plame was revealed by Richard Armitage, who was known as a moron who tended to reveal classified information just to show how cool/smart/connected he was.

I know it doesn't fit the narrative of a complex White House conspiracy that was built up in the media before Armitage finally came clean, though, so our intrepid reporter ignores history and perpetuates a lie.
 
2012-08-26 12:00:51 AM  

miss diminutive: That whole thing was like reading a bad Tom Clancy novel.

I'm just surprised that so many agencies and military branches sound like they're being staffed by complete imbeciles.


Then watch the first Seven Days in May, an excellent film and is really scary thinking this could happen....
 
2012-08-26 12:04:36 AM  

omnibus_necanda_sunt: fark Bush so hard.


Yeah damn him for taking a stand against advisors wanting him to start a war with Iran.
 
2012-08-26 12:09:30 AM  

miss diminutive: That whole thing was like reading a bad Tom Clancy novel.

I'm just surprised that so many agencies and military branches sound like they're being staffed by complete imbeciles.


A really good book is "the myth of competence"
 
2012-08-26 12:11:46 AM  
Can someone tell me how a successful intelligence analyst fall for the "Oh sure I'll leave my wife for you, baby." ?
 
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