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(The New York Times)   China is officially ready to kick off Cold War 2: Nuclear Boogaloo. The good news is that we are going back to the Moon   (nytimes.com) divider line 85
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vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-25 10:29:37 AM
See? Regan knew that free trade would lead to economic growth. He was right, the Chinese economy wouldn't have grown like it has if we hadn't shifted all of our manufacturing there.
 
2012-08-25 10:47:45 AM
Regan shifted our manufacturing to China. I see.
 
2012-08-25 11:14:10 AM
The Global Times, a newspaper directly controlled by the Chinese Communist Party, reported Wednesday that China was developing the capability to put multiple warheads on intercontinental ballistic missiles, or ICBMs.

Welcome to late-1960s missile technology, China. Quite scary.
 
2012-08-25 12:29:40 PM
And this time we've cleverly shot ourselves in the foot by relocating damn near ALL our civilian manufacturing to china. yay wall street! thanks guys!
 
2012-08-25 12:35:52 PM
Maybe... and I'm just spitballin' here... maybe we should start making things here again

/just a thought
 
2012-08-25 12:38:27 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe... and I'm just spitballin' here... maybe we should start making things here again

/just a thought


And pay US workers a decent wage!? are you CRAZY!?
 
2012-08-25 12:44:02 PM

Weaver95: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe... and I'm just spitballin' here... maybe we should start making things here again

/just a thought

And pay US workers a decent wage!? are you CRAZY!?


You know there's only one way that happens.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-25 12:48:05 PM

GAT_00: Weaver95: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe... and I'm just spitballin' here... maybe we should start making things here again

/just a thought

And pay US workers a decent wage!? are you CRAZY!?

You know there's only one way that happens.


I made a joke to a conservative friend of mine about how we needed to reduce our standard of living to a Chinese level to be competitive. He didn't realize I was joking and thought I was finally starting to get it.
 
2012-08-25 01:00:22 PM

vpb: GAT_00: Weaver95: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe... and I'm just spitballin' here... maybe we should start making things here again

/just a thought

And pay US workers a decent wage!? are you CRAZY!?

You know there's only one way that happens.

I made a joke to a conservative friend of mine about how we needed to reduce our standard of living to a Chinese level to be competitive. He didn't realize I was joking and thought I was finally starting to get it.


Conservative economics can roughly be defined as a pure race to the bottom. It doesn't matter who gets hurt, just as long as you make another penny in the process.

It's one of the most incredibly destructive forces around, along with religion. It's why the GOP is so destructive: they combine both.
 
2012-08-25 01:03:33 PM

vpb: I made a joke to a conservative friend of mine about how we needed to reduce our standard of living to a Chinese level to be competitive. He didn't realize I was joking and thought I was finally starting to get it.


Everybody but him of course.



I can't blame the Chinese here. Every week another right wing yahoo paints them as a threat we must deal with now. I'd arm up too.
 
2012-08-25 01:07:07 PM

GAT_00: Weaver95: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe... and I'm just spitballin' here... maybe we should start making things here again

/just a thought

And pay US workers a decent wage!? are you CRAZY!?

You know there's only one way that happens.


Yeah but the odds are slim on hell freezing over. At least, thats what my bookie said.
 
2012-08-25 01:17:47 PM

vpb: See? Regan knew that free trade would lead to economic growth. He was right, the Chinese economy wouldn't have grown like it has if we hadn't shifted all of our manufacturing there.


flucto: Regan shifted our manufacturing to China. I see.


Would you two at least spell the stinky old farkstick's name correctly? Thanks.
 
2012-08-25 01:19:49 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe... and I'm just spitballin' here... maybe we should start making things here again

/just a thought


They tried that with Solyndra.
 
2012-08-25 01:32:41 PM

gameshowhost: Would you two at least spell the stinky old farkstick's name correctly? Thanks.


Sir, you are talking to a stinky old farkstick.
 
2012-08-25 01:40:59 PM

flucto: gameshowhost: Would you two at least spell the stinky old farkstick's name correctly? Thanks.

Sir, you are talking to a stinky old farkstick.


Of course. They'll eat the vegetables.
 
2012-08-25 01:50:02 PM

gameshowhost: Would you two at least spell the stinky old farkstick's name correctly? Thanks.


They are clearly speaking of Reagan's Secretary of the Treasury Donald Regan and the architect of Reagonimics. Don't be so mean!

/those two names farked with my head back in the 80's
 
2012-08-25 03:22:23 PM

Weaver95: And this time we've cleverly shot ourselves in the foot by relocating damn near ALL our civilian manufacturing to china. yay wall street! thanks guys!


Civilian? You know many of our military chips are made there too?

http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/40037-china-made-us-military-chip-sec ur ity-backdoor

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18155293
 
2012-08-25 03:32:34 PM
I'm pretty sure starting shiat with us would destroy their economy as well. I know they have way too many males in their populous that they need to get rid of but nuclear war isn't going to do it. Go invade a neighboring country with boots on the ground like a decent regime.
 
2012-08-25 03:40:21 PM

Ennuipoet: Don't be so mean!


(._.) okay
 
2012-08-25 03:47:19 PM
When someone owes you a lot of money, you don't kill them, because then you never collect.
 
2012-08-25 04:30:29 PM
We have always been at war with East Asia
 
2012-08-25 04:32:31 PM
They sense our weakness now that Neil Armstrong is strong.

Who can step up in our time of dire need, WhoOoOOoooo?

/DRTFA
 
2012-08-25 04:33:16 PM

Mugato: I'm pretty sure starting shiat with us would destroy their economy as well. I know they have way too many males in their populous that they need to get rid of but nuclear war isn't going to do it. Go invade a neighboring country with boots on the ground like a decent regime.


That's one of the reason India gets nervous about sharing a border with them.
 
2012-08-25 04:34:43 PM

Weaver95: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe... and I'm just spitballin' here... maybe we should start making things here again

/just a thought

And pay US workers a decent wage!? are you CRAZY!?


Just think of those poor, poor shareholders if this comes to pass. They would not getting as much dividend and then having to downgrade from a Beemer to a Lexus.

Oh, the absolute HORROR!
 
2012-08-25 04:36:23 PM
damnit TLC, MTV, see what your reality TV shows have brought, now the chinese are arming themselves to stop that menace
 
2012-08-25 04:39:16 PM
They'll nuke us once, then they'll nuke us again an hour later.
 
2012-08-25 04:39:25 PM

MeinRS6: When someone owes you a lot of money, you don't kill them, because then you never collect.


You wanna fix the economy? Get into a non nuclear war with China just long enough to say 'Money? fark your money!'

/Doesn't have any idea how to fix the economy
 
2012-08-25 04:39:41 PM
josephmallozzi.files.wordpress.com

Bring it
 
2012-08-25 04:40:27 PM
I love these articles when we are going to cut back defence spending to $20 trillion/year. I don't blame China trying to defend all our money.
 
2012-08-25 04:42:21 PM

Weaver95: And this time we've cleverly shot ourselves in the foot by relocating damn near ALL our civilian manufacturing to china. yay wall street! thanks guys!


It's almost as if regulation and minimum wages hurt industry.

/ I keed, I keed

// please don't hurt me
 
2012-08-25 04:42:28 PM
subby, the US with their anti missile shield directed at Russia and posting troops in Australia have already started cold war #2
 
2012-08-25 04:43:09 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe... and I'm just spitballin' here... maybe we should start making things here again

/just a thought


Without a doubt.
 
2012-08-25 04:44:36 PM

Weaver95: And this time we've cleverly shot ourselves in the foot by relocating damn near ALL our civilian manufacturing to china. yay wall street! thanks guys!


Yeah but how likely are they to obliterate their own market especially if the obliteration was mutual.

/Yes I know MAD is still retarded.
 
2012-08-25 04:46:06 PM
www.smbc-comics.com
 
2012-08-25 04:46:31 PM
What does this mean when Romney wants to restart the cold war with the Soviet Union?

/or at least Romney's foreign policy aides
 
2012-08-25 04:49:45 PM
China must be ecstatic that south korea & japan (USAs two biggest Asian allies) are in a damaging row.
 
2012-08-25 04:53:47 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe... and I'm just spitballin' here... maybe we should start making things here again

/just a thought


Obama wants to change the tax cut for outsourcing to a tax cut for insourcing.

Romney... well, the things Romney admits wanting to do are scary enough.
 
2012-08-25 04:53:48 PM
The important question is, are these technological developments a change in Chinese nuclear doctrine?

For decades, Chinese nuclear doctrine has officially been that it maintains a small, well-defended, well-protected nuclear force to deter an enemy from striking it. That's why it only has around 60 ICBMs that can hit the United States or Moscow. It only needs to tell potential enemies: "You can't knock us out without us without sacrificing a few cities, so don't even try." Their is no attempt at having a first-strike capability, it is a purely second-strike force. Is this official doctrine reflected in actual practice? Yes, or else someone would have blown the whistle. It's an accurate match-up to what the actual publically-known capabilities and training of the Chinese nuclear force are.

Now, if the Chinese are genuinely worried about U.S. missile defence systems, then these MIRV upgrades are not only nothing to worry about, but also entirely predictable. They have to make sure their deterrent is credible at all times. This isn't rocket science.

Recently, however, there have been rumours that there are members of the Chinese military who are interested in improving the country's first-strike capability to the point where they might be able to knock out India or another smaller nuclear power in a war. I guess that's a believable stretch of the imagination.

But is China changing its doctrine to reach first-strike capability against the U.S.? No, that's ridiculous and anybody who says otherwise is an idiot.
 
2012-08-25 04:56:39 PM

vpb: See? Regan knew that free trade would lead to economic growth. He was right, the Chinese economy wouldn't have grown like it has if we hadn't shifted all of our manufacturing there.


I know who killed Rusty Regan but who killed the chauffeur?
 
2012-08-25 04:56:39 PM
meh

No one likes nukes... but no one can deny the track record of nuclear deterrence.

Mutually assured destruction is what has kept the superpowers from going to war. If it wasn't mutually assured, it wouldn't exist. The likelihood of war increases the further the balance of threat is tipped away from any one capable nation.

Without specific threats or specific aggressive military movements we don't really have much of a need to worry about the countries that make a hundred or a thousand new nukes.... we just need to worry about the nation(s) or person(s) trying to get just one.

It makes great headlines... but as long as we achieve newer and greater technologies we should not only expect the other powers to do the same... we should actually welcome it.

It's either that or we get superman to round up all the missiles and save the planet from itself. And as we all know, that stupid horse farked that up for everyone.
 
2012-08-25 04:59:47 PM
the worlds gearing up for a big war

all you have to do is look around at all the confrontations heating up on each side of the globe

our future is that of the planet krypton
 
2012-08-25 05:02:45 PM

Makh: Civilian? You know many of our military chips are made there too?


If I made computer chips for a rival/potential enemy nation, I'd make sure there were all sorts of fun things I could do to them remotely and secretly. But that's just me.
 
2012-08-25 05:05:20 PM
The world population cannot keep growing. There isn't enough resources. Unfortunately I'd say we have 3 billion too many.
 
2012-08-25 05:06:35 PM
Awesome! I for one am glad that the 1% have dismantled China's economic containment. We get higher corporate profits in exchange for an eventual nuclear Armageddon.
 
2012-08-25 05:11:11 PM

Mega Steve: Makh: Civilian? You know many of our military chips are made there too?

If I made computer chips for a rival/potential enemy nation, I'd make sure there were all sorts of fun things I could do to them remotely and secretly. But that's just me.


Rumor is that the US government (specifically, the NSA) makes its own chips and hardware in-house, just so the Chinese don't do exactly what you said. Of course, when most of the raw materials and rare earths to make those chips come from...you guessed it, China...well, then things could get dicey if they decide to reduce exports.
 
2012-08-25 05:12:10 PM

Mega Steve: Makh: Civilian? You know many of our military chips are made there too?

If I made computer chips for a rival/potential enemy nation, I'd make sure there were all sorts of fun things I could do to them remotely and secretly. But that's just me.


Mil has been having a lot of problems with counterfiet stuff from china lately, esp small electronics. No need to worry though, they aren't making shiat like our aesa radars.
 
2012-08-25 05:15:40 PM

Mega Steve: Makh: Civilian? You know many of our military chips are made there too?

If I made computer chips for a rival/potential enemy nation, I'd make sure there were all sorts of fun things I could do to them remotely and secretly. But that's just me.


rockinconservative.files.wordpress.com

I can't believe it, Steve. That girl's standing over there listening and you're telling him about our back doors?
 
2012-08-25 05:17:17 PM

McManus_brothers: Of course, when most of the raw materials and rare earths to make those chips come from...you guessed it, China...well, then things could get dicey if they decide to reduce exports.


China is just the only country that had those mines going while the cost of the raw materials were still cheap. There's plenty of other nations that have rare earth metals in their territory, including the U.S. Besides, I highly doubt that we don't have a stockpile of pretty much every type of raw material on hand, in case we got cut off and needed lead time to establish domestic supply chains.

Link
 
2012-08-25 05:17:45 PM

ontariolightning: the worlds gearing up for a big war

all you have to do is look around at all the confrontations heating up on each side of the globe

our future is that of the planet krypton


How did you make it through the Cold War without having a coronary?
 
2012-08-25 05:19:31 PM

yeomanfarmer: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe... and I'm just spitballin' here... maybe we should start making things here again

/just a thought

They tried that with Solyndra.


Yep, Uncle Sam doled out 1/100th the funding China gave it's people for a similar project at the same time. Amazing how it didn't pan out for us.
 
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