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(The New York Times)   After millions of dollars spent in testing , the new TSA footwear scanners are still a bomb   (nytimes.com) divider line 35
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2012-08-25 09:05:42 AM  
Well, they just have to keep testing. Every week we read of yet another footwear bomber caught during the shoe removal process. They're catching these guys by the dozens.

RIght?

They must be because nothing blew up right?
 
Pud [TotalFark]
2012-08-25 09:48:40 AM  
It just needs a little more fine tuning. After all, those little old white ladies, and little kids are a tricky lot
 
2012-08-25 11:00:52 AM  
Oh Goddammit, it's been 11 years. Are we ever going to stop being afraid of our own farking shadow? They search your bags at Disney World for Chrissakes. Bin Laden is in Hell laughing his ass off.
 
2012-08-25 11:03:12 AM  
So, we're still going to have our junk juggled?

/I shouldn't complain.
//At least the TSA is interested in inspecting my low hanging fruit.
 
2012-08-25 11:11:48 AM  
I'm confused. The headline implies that testing alone is responsible for the success or failure of shoe bomb detectors. Surely subby isn't that big of a retard, right? RIGHT? RIGHT?
 
2012-08-25 11:12:58 AM  
I always wear loafers when flying. As I go through the line, I just throw the shoes on the scanner conveyor belt with everything else. It's easy and quick to put them back on.

No, it's not right that I'm considered a criminal by the TSA just because I'm traveling. It's just easier for me to pass through their b.s.procedures and get on with my life
 
2012-08-25 11:13:22 AM  

MrHappyRotter: I'm confused. The headline implies that testing alone is responsible for the success or failure of shoe bomb detectors. Surely subby isn't that big of a retard, right? RIGHT? RIGHT?


Whatever you have to tell yourself
 
2012-08-25 11:15:35 AM  
Looks like the machines couldn't cause enough cancer to be justified. But you can bet they were bought and paid for.
 
2012-08-25 11:16:31 AM  

Mugato: Oh Goddammit, it's been 11 years. Are we ever going to stop being afraid of our own farking shadow? They search your bags at Disney World for Chrissakes. Bin Laden is in Hell laughing his ass off.


Security.
Job Security.
and that fact that the paranoid dummies will continue to fall over each other for the politicians who support this crap.

The problem is that stupid dumbass people vote. And the pols will continue to pander to them, rather than doing the "right thing" and ending the madness.
 
2012-08-25 11:18:01 AM  
I just question the whole thinking (or lack thereof) here. It seems like TSA keeps reacting to attempts made to attack planes, but once one of those methods fails, why would they attempt it again? The one major shoe bombing attempt made was such total fail that I just have to imagine that in Conference Cave #2, the al-Qaida project managers are saying "Yeah, let's try something else."

But yet we're blowing millions to try to come up with some damn shoe scanner.
 
2012-08-25 11:18:12 AM  
"Millions of dollars spent".
Those scanners are doing just what they're supposed to do.
 
2012-08-25 11:20:16 AM  
Has already told you that none of their shiat works
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2012-08-25 11:20:51 AM  

Mugato: Oh Goddammit, it's been 11 years. Are we ever going to stop being afraid of our own farking shadow? They search your bags at Disney World for Chrissakes. Bin Laden is in Hell laughing his ass off.


this
 
2012-08-25 11:26:33 AM  
Somebody got millions of dollars from the government for doing nothing through a TSA program?

Sounds like the system is working exactly as designed.
 
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2012-08-25 11:38:10 AM  
maybe they could hire shoe sniffers. you know, creepy looking guys deeply inhaling ladies pumps and whatnot.
 
2012-08-25 12:05:51 PM  
The TSA needs to stop this Johnny Peepants mentality. Someone who is determined to bring down an aircraft is not going to be stopped by people in imitation police uniforms who execute a completely flawed SOP from a bunch of bureaucrats who are intent on protecting their own turf.

The sad part is that if and when someone is successful in doing something malicious to an aircraft, the TSA would likely get bigger, and even more ineffective.
 
2012-08-25 12:14:11 PM  
So, how often to they actually test ANY of their systems that are out in force today?

/sigh
//buying my own plane
 
2012-08-25 12:17:12 PM  
The problem is that only millions have been spend. Maybe they will work after a few billion
 
2012-08-25 12:43:38 PM  
I don't know that anybody here has actually READ the article yet.

It's really too bad that the scanners haven't panned out. I'd love to not have to take my shoes off when I go to the airport.
 
2012-08-25 12:52:36 PM  
FTA: "Elderly passengers and children may go through security screenings without taking off any clothing."

Be afraid. Be very afraid.
 
2012-08-25 12:55:01 PM  
I'm not particularly proud of it, but after watching a TSA agent make my 67-year-old mother open her makeup case so he could go through all of her makeup, I pretended to have a problem with my back, and made the same TSA agent tie my shoes for me while I sat on a chair.

I can't believe he actually did it.

This was in Phoenix about four years ago.
 
2012-08-25 01:06:53 PM  

lostcat: I'm not particularly proud of it, but after watching a TSA agent make my 67-year-old mother open her makeup case so he could go through all of her makeup, I pretended to have a problem with my back, and made the same TSA agent tie my shoes for me while I sat on a chair.

I can't believe he actually did it.

This was in Phoenix about four years ago.


Good for you.

I've always said that EVERYTHING you can do to make the security theatre process take longer for everyone is a good thing.

Don't do ANYTHING to make it go faster. Don't go through the nude-o-scanner, wear lace-up shoes, don't unlace them early, argue with the TSA whenever you can, and generally be a pain in the ass.

I'll remember your back problem trick the next time I fly. I'll be using that one.

The more people who do this, the more people who will actually make a stink about it to their congressman and maybe get something changed.
 
2012-08-25 01:25:47 PM  
If it cost millions to test the smart business solution would be to fail the actual tests so that you can go suck more millions out while you keep pretending to fix the machines.
 
2012-08-25 01:56:08 PM  
Is this so we can leave our goddamn shoes on and not have every TSA line smell like low tide?
 
2012-08-25 02:08:22 PM  
I don't know... Compared to the comments above, I seem to have the opposite opinion of the TSA. They have the classic "no win" objective. If they intrude on your life enough to be 99.9% effective, everyone complains about loss of freedom. But if just one bad guy gets through, they all get the blame for not doing their job.

I fly a fair amount, maybe 5-10 business trips a year. I can't recall the last time a TSA agent was rude to me. I imagine there are TSA agents out there with a chip on their shoulder. I imagine there are a lot more of them out there that quietly absorb undeserved abuse. In fact, I can imagine that the latter leads to the former.
 
2012-08-25 02:35:43 PM  
Removing shoes is annoying but by far not the 'cause of most delays'. The 2 things I've noticed causing delays is people not listening or being too dumb to understand simple instructions. "Remove all jewelry and items from pockets", "oh that includes my wallet, my watch, this handful of change, my cell phone, ect". The second cause is poor floor layouts that cause traffic issues, if you want me to get my bags off the belt quickly don't force me to walk upstream in a narrow space while someone else is already there.

I fly quite somewhat frequently, 2 screenings about every other week. Never had an issue with the TSA, but at this point the checkpoint routine is second nature. Rather than get annoyed by the people who slow things down I internally laugh at their incompetence.
 
2012-08-25 02:39:22 PM  

NeverUseAbsolutes: I don't know... Compared to the comments above, I seem to have the opposite opinion of the TSA. They have the classic "no win" objective. If they intrude on your life enough to be 99.9% effective, everyone complains about loss of freedom. But if just one bad guy gets through, they all get the blame for not doing their job.

I fly a fair amount, maybe 5-10 business trips a year. I can't recall the last time a TSA agent was rude to me. I imagine there are TSA agents out there with a chip on their shoulder. I imagine there are a lot more of them out there that quietly absorb undeserved abuse. In fact, I can imagine that the latter leads to the former.


I feel it is a matter of consistency. Several times I have gone through one airport with item A, only to be told as I try to depart from the second airport that the same item A is prohibited and needs to be confiscated. Curiously, it's always something that I think someone else--like a dead-end TSA job person--might like to have. It's never an item like a dead fish in a newspaper, etc. It's also an item that, by my reading of the rules, is not prohibited.

/Who *doesn't* fly with a dead fish, right?
 
2012-08-25 02:42:53 PM  

NeverUseAbsolutes: I don't know... Compared to the comments above, I seem to have the opposite opinion of the TSA. They have the classic "no win" objective. If they intrude on your life enough to be 99.9% effective, everyone complains about loss of freedom. But if just one bad guy gets through, they all get the blame for not doing their job


The thing is, they don't "need" to "intrude on your life" to be effective. A 99.9% effectiveness could easily be achieved with metal detectors, hardened cockpit doors, and a few more air marshals. No more taking shoes off. No more nudie-scan. No more handing pliers to women to remove thiier nipple piercings. No more making nursing mothers taste their breast milk. No more putting hands down kids pants. No more... well, you get the idea.
 
2012-08-25 02:54:31 PM  
So what?
The farking scanners don't work either and that did not stop Chertoff from spending your money($MILLIONS$) on his machinesPROFIT.

How long are you going to allow this charade to continue?
Do you have no respect for yourself? Do you know what your kids are going to say about this Security Theatre Boondogle in a few years?
History is going to really love this one. IMHO, better than "the Flat World" derp and certainly more stupid in perspective.

insert "and then they cup their balls like this" pic.
 
2012-08-25 02:57:36 PM  

DarkVader: lostcat: I'm not particularly proud of it, but after watching a TSA agent make my 67-year-old mother open her makeup case so he could go through all of her makeup, I pretended to have a problem with my back, and made the same TSA agent tie my shoes for me while I sat on a chair.

I can't believe he actually did it.

This was in Phoenix about four years ago.

Good for you.

I've always said that EVERYTHING you can do to make the security theatre process take longer for everyone is a good thing.

Don't do ANYTHING to make it go faster. Don't go through the nude-o-scanner, wear lace-up shoes, don't unlace them early, argue with the TSA whenever you can, and generally be a pain in the ass.

I'll remember your back problem trick the next time I fly. I'll be using that one.

The more people who do this, the more people who will actually make a stink about it to their congressman and maybe get something changed.



That's not going to do shiat but annoy the other passengers. No one is going to tell their congressperson shiat and even if they did it wouldn't do anything. Don't be a dick intentionally.
 
2012-08-25 03:55:18 PM  
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2012-08-25 04:45:53 PM  

jake_lex: I just question the whole thinking (or lack thereof) here. It seems like TSA keeps reacting to attempts made to attack planes, but once one of those methods fails, why would they attempt it again? The one major shoe bombing attempt made was such total fail that I just have to imagine that in Conference Cave #2, the al-Qaida project managers are saying "Yeah, let's try something else."

But yet we're blowing millions to try to come up with some damn shoe scanner.


So far, we've done NOTHING to prevent another terrorist attack (once the cockpit doors were locked). Nothing. A little study of why terrorists might WANT to attack us, and addressing those issues instead, might cost less, certainly prevent more threats, and would inconvenience far fewer people...but since nobody could see it, I guess it won't provide the warm fuzzy security blanket so many people seem to need.
 
2012-08-25 06:17:12 PM  

yobsoggoth: So, how often to they actually test ANY of their systems that are out in force today?


They run penetration tests constantly. And they constantly fail, at least by any reasonable standard.

In 2006 they had a 70% FAILURE rate. They addressed that problem by keeping testing results secret.

Off the record reports have failure rates as high as 100% in some airports.
 
2012-08-25 06:30:13 PM  
These machines worked exactly as designed. Funneling money from the sheeple into the pockets of the 1%.
 
2012-08-25 06:39:15 PM  
Over 500 people arested last year and over 300 people arested this year, oh wait, those were DHS people arested!!!
Who feels safe now? Keep drinking the koolaide!
 
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