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(South Jersey Courier-Post)   Federal appeals court rules that government cannot force you to stare at graphic photos of diseased lungs every time to you try to buy a Slim Jim at the convenience store   (courierpostonline.com) divider line 18
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2012-08-25 10:09:33 AM
3 votes:
In other news, marijuana is still illegal. I assume because it's so much more dangerous than tobacco and booze... WTF
2012-08-25 10:05:45 AM
3 votes:
I say that the government should either make tobacco illegal (and stop taking tobacco taxes) or stop harassing me while I buy and use a legal product.
2012-08-25 10:10:44 AM
2 votes:
Smoking is bad for you. Everyone everywhere is aware of this. Calm it down government. No matter what you do a certain number of 15 year olds will still smoke
2012-08-25 10:07:32 AM
2 votes:

lenfromak: I say that the government should either make tobacco illegal (and stop taking tobacco taxes) or stop harassing me while I buy and use a legal product.


They won't, the tax money is too much to pass up. Plus, prohibition doesn't work.
2012-08-25 10:06:41 AM
2 votes:

MFAWG: meat0918: You mean can't force manufacturers can't be forced to put that on there.

I'm guessing that means the surgeon general's warning will be next on the chopping block, because corporations are people my friend, and they deserve free speech just like anyone else.

Do you think, at this point in time, that there's anybody anywhere who doesn't know that smoking is bad for you?


And that right there will be part of the argument.

And if they win that hypothetical case, then warning labels on a lot of other things will start being challenged and going away, especially those "These statements not evaluated by the FDA" on supplements.

I don't like the slippery slope argument, but this is one of those times where I do see the potential for a cascade of rulings because "corporations are people and have free speech rights".
2012-08-25 10:42:07 AM
1 votes:

meat0918: Smackledorfer: MFAWG: meat0918: You mean can't force manufacturers can't be forced to put that on there.

I'm guessing that means the surgeon general's warning will be next on the chopping block, because corporations are people my friend, and they deserve free speech just like anyone else.

Do you think, at this point in time, that there's anybody anywhere who doesn't know that smoking is bad for you?

I was in a restaurant with calorie labels yesterday. Without them, apparently I would have purchased a meal with 1700 calories. It was a ciabatta turkey and avecado sammich. I have no clue how a sandwich (at a bakery, not a novelty oversize purveyor od 'drunk food') gets those numbers.

It isn't the same, but I wouldn't be opposed to a graphic pic of a fatty on some food items either.

Labels are a good thing, and fighting in favor of lower consumer knowledge is assinine. Smoking labels are good for everyone except the sellers of an addictive poison. Sellers who spent a long time lying about whether what they sold was habit forming and whether it was poison.

fark defending corporate behavior that is bad for the consumer.

The free market only works when the consumer has knowledge. It cannot work when companies obfuscate and sometimes outright lie about what their products do.


FWIW, I'm not advocating that consumers be outright lied to, and I'm OK with The Ebil Gubment ensuring transparency in the marketplace through prudent regulation.

That said, these labels seem to go beyond that.

OTOH, it would make me LOL on the inside every time I pulled one of those packs out of my pocket in a public place.
2012-08-25 10:29:04 AM
1 votes:

Girion47: The Slim Jim factory blew up back in 2009, and I got to be on the team that investigated the way the explosion spread throughout the factory and how it affected the structure. We went into this facility a full 6 months after the explosion and all of the meat that had been exposed to the elements was still in perfect condition and untouched by wildlife. I haven't eaten a slim jim since.


Dried salty meat is supposed to do that...
2012-08-25 10:23:40 AM
1 votes:

meat0918: MFAWG: meat0918: You mean can't force manufacturers can't be forced to put that on there.

I'm guessing that means the surgeon general's warning will be next on the chopping block, because corporations are people my friend, and they deserve free speech just like anyone else.

Do you think, at this point in time, that there's anybody anywhere who doesn't know that smoking is bad for you?

And that right there will be part of the argument.

And if they win that hypothetical case, then warning labels on a lot of other things will start being challenged and going away, especially those "These statements not evaluated by the FDA" on supplements.

I don't like the slippery slope argument, but this is one of those times where I do see the potential for a cascade of rulings because "corporations are people and have free speech rights".


Its not a slippery slope if you connect the dots correctly. I can see a claim that one label is put on to shock consumers while another could be said to be merely informative, but the second and informative label like the cancer warning goes, all bets are off on everything from calorie counts to accurate ingredient lists (which already contain ingredients with name changes as a response to public awareness of their unhealthiness).

We don't need to move in a direction of decreasingly informed consumers. That should be agreed upon by capitalists who worship the invisible hand, religious people who worship gods, hippies who care about their fellow man, and everyone in between.
2012-08-25 10:22:20 AM
1 votes:
The Slim Jim factory blew up back in 2009, and I got to be on the team that investigated the way the explosion spread throughout the factory and how it affected the structure. We went into this facility a full 6 months after the explosion and all of the meat that had been exposed to the elements was still in perfect condition and untouched by wildlife. I haven't eaten a slim jim since.
2012-08-25 10:20:04 AM
1 votes:

Ooba Tooba: Last week at the Woodward dream cruise in Detroit, some dickwad on a corner had a 4'x4' sign of an aborted fetus head in forceps. Many families with kids had to walk by that prick. There is a time and place people. Go protest at the clinic, freak.


That is an odd venue to choose, but I also like it when abortion is exposed for what it is
2012-08-25 10:17:41 AM
1 votes:
Last week at the Woodward dream cruise in Detroit, some dickwad on a corner had a 4'x4' sign of an aborted fetus head in forceps. Many families with kids had to walk by that prick. There is a time and place people. Go protest at the clinic, freak.
2012-08-25 10:17:04 AM
1 votes:

lenfromak: I say that the government should either make tobacco illegal (and stop taking tobacco taxes) or stop harassing me while I buy and use a legal product.


Follow the money, it'll never happen. The charade will go on
2012-08-25 10:16:06 AM
1 votes:

swaniefrmreddeer: n Canada they're so graphic that I think I would be in violation of Fark posting guidelines if I posted them here.


Yeah the tounge one is especially gross. Anytime a cashier hands me a pack with that picture on it I ask them to grab another. I'm fine with the goverment not wanting me to smoke anymore but geeze do you really have to make me want to vomit each time I purchase them.
2012-08-25 10:11:42 AM
1 votes:
And they shouldn't. Every smoker knows the risks.
2012-08-25 10:04:59 AM
1 votes:
In Canada they're so graphic that I think I would be in violation of Fark posting guidelines if I posted them here.
2012-08-25 10:03:00 AM
1 votes:

meat0918: You mean can't force manufacturers can't be forced to put that on there.

I'm guessing that means the surgeon general's warning will be next on the chopping block, because corporations are people my friend, and they deserve free speech just like anyone else.


Do you think, at this point in time, that there's anybody anywhere who doesn't know that smoking is bad for you?
2012-08-25 10:00:51 AM
1 votes:

Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: " every time to you try to buy a Slim Jim". Were you thinking "BITE INTO A SLIM JIM" while typing?


Did you mean SNAP INTO A SLIM JIM while typing that?
2012-08-25 09:55:16 AM
1 votes:
You mean can't force manufacturers can't be forced to put that on there.

I'm guessing that means the surgeon general's warning will be next on the chopping block, because corporations are people my friend, and they deserve free speech just like anyone else.
 
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