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(AZ Family)   If your wife is a vocal opponent of fluoride in the town's drinking water, you probably shouldn't be the town's water official in charge of making sure fluoride gets put in the water   (azfamily.com) divider line 27
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2012-08-25 08:25:20 AM  
5 votes:

brerrabbit: I'm actually against flouridization systems in small towns.

I've worked at different waterplants as a repair tech and installer. Some of these places are so backwards that they simply cannot be trusted to maintain the equipment properly to ensure that too much flouride is not added.

Not anti-flouride, just anti idiot.


That is the only reasonable argument I have heard against it.
2012-08-25 01:10:02 PM  
4 votes:
Fluorides and other minerals are common in small creeks and other natural sources, but collections of rain water, as reservoirs, some deep wells, and other sources of municipal water don't have a lot of minerals, particularly since people don't like hard water. Our biochemistry needs some of these for best functioning but didn't evolve methods of "hoarding" them internally because there was no shortage in the parts of Africa (or, allowing for other opinions, wherever we evolved from) in the last few hundred thousand years. Hunter-gatherers are one thing, urban dwellers are another, so we recognize mineral intake shortfalls and remedy them by "fixing" our artificial supplies.

Note that there is a similar thread of logic here regarding vitamins, primitive natural vs. civilized lifestyles, and supplements such as vitamin D milk and other enriched foods.

I have absolutely no idea why some in the 1950's decided that fluoridation was a goal of Communist plot with the end to soften the minds of the American public; the result of terminating fluoridation projects in some areas was the softening of teeth, not the hardening of minds. 

Of course, like any other public utility management process, public safety is the highest priority.  And, dialogue is a necessary and healthy part of the process of ensuring the public safety in our Republic - no matter what opinions are expressed. Besides, some of the fringe opinions do have entertainment value. The downside is that sometimes mistakes are made, such as withholding fluoridation where it is needed. I would hazard that mistakes are far more common when there is no dialogue.
2012-08-25 06:55:59 AM  
4 votes:
I'm actually against flouridization systems in small towns.

I've worked at different waterplants as a repair tech and installer. Some of these places are so backwards that they simply cannot be trusted to maintain the equipment properly to ensure that too much flouride is not added.

Not anti-flouride, just anti idiot.
2012-08-25 11:26:21 AM  
3 votes:

PC LOAD LETTER: brerrabbit: I'm actually against flouridization systems in small towns.

I've worked at different waterplants as a repair tech and installer. Some of these places are so backwards that they simply cannot be trusted to maintain the equipment properly to ensure that too much flouride is not added.

Not anti-flouride, just anti idiot.

That is the only reasonable argument I have heard against it.


It's not at all reasonable. The reasonable response is to insure that it is done properly and that the required testing is being carried out.
2012-08-25 10:28:34 AM  
2 votes:

RoyBatty: I kind of wonder if this town now with two populations, one with fluoride, one without, for a year, could be the basis of a useful research stud


The effects are known already, the bottled water boom in the 90's,

As per usual, it's the kids that are effected the most.
2012-08-26 08:44:15 PM  
1 votes:
And if your wife is in charge of a committee to get a guy elected president, you shouldn't be on the Supreme Court that appoints him. Funny how that works.

/Or ought to
2012-08-25 03:22:23 PM  
1 votes:

CokeBear: Hyjamon: How many people actually drink from the tap now-a-days? I used to live in a place where water from the tap smelled of sulfur and was cloudy. I don't care if there was or wasn't fluoride in it, I wasn't going to drink it.

I try to avoid bottled water when possible. Tap water is actually held to a much higher standard of safety as compared to bottled water, not to mention of course that I like my teeth, and every bit of fluoride helps.

Also the cost. Bottled water is about 1000x as expensive as tap water per gallon, depending on the brand, and the price of water where you are, so even if bottled water was just as safe, and included the fluoride it still wouldn't make any sense to me.

Of course, once people start paying a stupidly high price for something, they start imagining all kinds of excuses for why they did it, like "it tastes better". Bullshiat. I put it to a blind taste test and haven't met anyone who can tell the difference. (Except for Dasani and Aquafina - those are disgusting. I suspect Coke & Pepsi are trying to differentiate their brands with an actual taste. Both taste horrible & metallic to me)


Dasani (and possibly Aquafina) comes from a municipal water source anyways. Certain actual spring waters I think taste marginally better than others, but not enough to pay those prices for water.

\Brita and our were created to solve the local water taste problem.
2012-08-25 02:24:39 PM  
1 votes:
By the way orally ingesting flouride ions helps your teeth in no matter whatsoever except for the very brief moment when it actually passes through your mouth. It is so retarded that only a society like ours could state it was a good idea.
2012-08-25 02:06:46 PM  
1 votes:

Begoggle: "Two city officials have been placed on leave"

Hm, at my job I would be immediately fired.
Government jobs, how do they work?



Unfortunately, the alternative -- employment at will, summary terminations -- typically resulted in civil servants having to help in re-election campaigns and/or pay a share of their salaries back to a politician; then being fired if the incumbent loses. Civil service job protections, and employee appeals boards that enforce those protections admittedly make legitimate terminations more of a hassle than they should be, but are a necessary evil.
2012-08-25 01:37:50 PM  
1 votes:

Fano: The tips on shoelaces are called aglets. They serve a sinister purpose.


Only the ones on the left.
2012-08-25 01:36:22 PM  
1 votes:
How many people actually drink from the tap now-a-days? I used to live in a place where water from the tap smelled of sulfur and was cloudy. I don't care if there was or wasn't fluoride in it, I wasn't going to drink it.
2012-08-25 01:18:29 PM  
1 votes:

aerojockey: Eevryone who got a cavity in the last year should sue him.


You know every kid who got one in the last year is walking on air now. "I TOLD you I was brushing my teeth enough, Mom! It's not my fault there wasn't fluoride in the water!"
2012-08-25 12:56:03 PM  
1 votes:
A little bit of lithium in the water also goes a long way to reducing levels of depression, but don't even start with that because then you'll really have crazies coming out of the woodwork.
2012-08-25 12:42:52 PM  
1 votes:

halloran: halloran: aerojockey: Mjeck: The My Little Pony Killer: Mjeck: The My Little Pony Killer: seventypercent: The Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, and the Izaak Walton League want their subjects to be nice and complacent, so drink your fluoride, citizen.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent

You forgot to mention you FTFM.

/thanks

Flouride doesn't act as *wink* a mind control agent *wink* *wink* What?

FLUORIDE. DOES. NOT. ACT. AS. A. MIND. CONTROL. AGENT. STOP.

Actually flouride isn't what they put in your water supply - what they put in there is called Hydrofluoric acid which is the main ingrediant in PROAZAC... So yes it does act as a mind control agent. END OF STORY.

Oops not end of stort - need edit button - meant "Hydrofluorosilicic Acid". But flouride (Hydrofluoric acid )is the main ingrediant of prozac.

"Many psychoactive drugs including Prozac, Paxil and Luvox are fluorinated medications. Rohypnol, the infamous date- rape drug, is fluorinated Valium, which is about 20-30 times more potent than Valium alone. "


For people who don't believe what he's saying, here is the chemical structure of Prozac:

upload.wikimedia.org

It's true. Why don't people understand? Look how many Fluorides there are. THREE. I don't see three of anything else there! There's one H, one N, one O, one C and THREE F's. So fluoride is the main ingredient in prozac.

So let me tell you, just like halloran is saying, there is essentially no difference between straight fluoride and HCNOF3. I just threw that chemical formula together based on the letters in the picture. We all know this instinctively too. We all drink water, which we all know is H2O. The main ingredient in water is hydrogen and we all know, if we drink a solution with a whole crap load of hydrogen in it that also is safe. Same goes for NaCl. NaCl is safe and so Cl alone is safe. I return you to HCNOF3 which I assume is Prozac. That alters the mind, so clearly F3 alters the mind.
2012-08-25 12:30:48 PM  
1 votes:

halloran: aerojockey: Mjeck: The My Little Pony Killer: Mjeck: The My Little Pony Killer: seventypercent: The Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, and the Izaak Walton League want their subjects to be nice and complacent, so drink your fluoride, citizen.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent

You forgot to mention you FTFM.

/thanks

Flouride doesn't act as *wink* a mind control agent *wink* *wink* What?

FLUORIDE. DOES. NOT. ACT. AS. A. MIND. CONTROL. AGENT. STOP.

Actually flouride isn't what they put in your water supply - what they put in there is called Hydrofluoric acid which is the main ingrediant in PROAZAC... So yes it does act as a mind control agent. END OF STORY.


Actually, you're a dumbass, and Hydrofluoric acid is not directly added to the water supply. It is a precursor chemical in the production of fluorine, but you may as well start ranting about how Hydrochloric acid is directly added to water as a disinfecting agent.
2012-08-25 12:18:49 PM  
1 votes:

Kuroshin: RoyBatty: I kind of wonder if this town now with two populations, one with fluoride, one without, for a year, could be the basis of a useful research study.

Portland, OR.

Everywhere else has it, Portland doesn't.


Eugene doesn't have it.

Neither does Springfield, but with all the meth, it's not like any dentist could tell the difference.
2012-08-25 12:06:13 PM  
1 votes:

PC LOAD LETTER: brerrabbit: I'm actually against flouridization systems in small towns.

I've worked at different waterplants as a repair tech and installer. Some of these places are so backwards that they simply cannot be trusted to maintain the equipment properly to ensure that too much flouride is not added.

Not anti-flouride, just anti idiot.

That is the only reasonable argument I have heard against it.


Sourcing of fluoride from dodgy suppliers is another reasonable argument as well. Though I'm not certain if this is truly a systemic problem or if someone in the township just decided to cut costs in this case and order off a random website. Or if the "ZOMG! China!" angle is just being leveraged by the anti-fluoride crew. (I thought this was more widespread but could not find enough non-partisan reports in a Google search to convince me.)

Also, "fluoride". Not "flouride".

/chemist
2012-08-25 12:02:52 PM  
1 votes:
I live in one of the largest cities in the country that doesn't flouridate its water. We're actually making it a ballot initiative in November and it's been fun to watch the crazies come out. Otherwise perfectly rational people go insane at the suggestion that adding flouride to the water supply might actually be a good thing.
2012-08-25 12:02:22 PM  
1 votes:

Mjeck: The My Little Pony Killer: Mjeck: The My Little Pony Killer: seventypercent: The Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, and the Izaak Walton League want their subjects to be nice and complacent, so drink your fluoride, citizen.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent

You forgot to mention you FTFM.

/thanks

Flouride doesn't act as *wink* a mind control agent *wink* *wink* What?


FLUORIDE. DOES. NOT. ACT. AS. A. MIND. CONTROL. AGENT. STOP.
2012-08-25 11:48:54 AM  
1 votes:
With that medicinal marijuana thread below, the Arizona Crazy trifecta is in play.

Said it before and I'll say it again, Arizona is the friggin' meth lab of democracy.
2012-08-25 11:34:45 AM  
1 votes:
Someone in Arizona is racking up the greenlights today.

\not that it would be hard, considering it's Arizona
2012-08-25 11:33:04 AM  
1 votes:

seventypercent: The Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, and the Izaak Walton League want their subjects to be nice and complacent, so drink your fluoride, citizen.


Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent.
2012-08-25 11:28:05 AM  
1 votes:
Holy crap! Was that article rigged up by a monkey? We am having no editors?
2012-08-25 09:04:41 AM  
1 votes:
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2012-08-25 08:46:06 AM  
1 votes:

PC LOAD LETTER: brerrabbit: I'm actually against flouridization systems in small towns.

I've worked at different waterplants as a repair tech and installer. Some of these places are so backwards that they simply cannot be trusted to maintain the equipment properly to ensure that too much flouride is not added.

Not anti-flouride, just anti idiot.

That is the only reasonable argument I have heard against it.


Other than the cost? Short sighted politicians (are there any other kinds) in some places consider it too expensive to maintain the systems. Yet, the cost to maintain in many places amounts to a few pennies a day, but the cost to the maintaining of healthy teeth is significantly higher and mostly affects children. You can get supplements, but they're not always easy to find.
2012-08-25 03:44:05 AM  
1 votes:
I kind of wonder if this town now with two populations, one with fluoride, one without, for a year, could be the basis of a useful research study.
2012-08-25 02:30:13 AM  
1 votes:
The John Birchers are creating jobs for dentists everywhere.
 
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