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(AZ Family)   If your wife is a vocal opponent of fluoride in the town's drinking water, you probably shouldn't be the town's water official in charge of making sure fluoride gets put in the water   (azfamily.com) divider line 101
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2012-08-25 02:30:13 AM
The John Birchers are creating jobs for dentists everywhere.
 
2012-08-25 03:44:05 AM
I kind of wonder if this town now with two populations, one with fluoride, one without, for a year, could be the basis of a useful research study.
 
2012-08-25 06:55:59 AM
I'm actually against flouridization systems in small towns.

I've worked at different waterplants as a repair tech and installer. Some of these places are so backwards that they simply cannot be trusted to maintain the equipment properly to ensure that too much flouride is not added.

Not anti-flouride, just anti idiot.
 
2012-08-25 08:25:20 AM

brerrabbit: I'm actually against flouridization systems in small towns.

I've worked at different waterplants as a repair tech and installer. Some of these places are so backwards that they simply cannot be trusted to maintain the equipment properly to ensure that too much flouride is not added.

Not anti-flouride, just anti idiot.


That is the only reasonable argument I have heard against it.
 
2012-08-25 08:46:06 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: brerrabbit: I'm actually against flouridization systems in small towns.

I've worked at different waterplants as a repair tech and installer. Some of these places are so backwards that they simply cannot be trusted to maintain the equipment properly to ensure that too much flouride is not added.

Not anti-flouride, just anti idiot.

That is the only reasonable argument I have heard against it.


Other than the cost? Short sighted politicians (are there any other kinds) in some places consider it too expensive to maintain the systems. Yet, the cost to maintain in many places amounts to a few pennies a day, but the cost to the maintaining of healthy teeth is significantly higher and mostly affects children. You can get supplements, but they're not always easy to find.
 
2012-08-25 09:04:41 AM
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2012-08-25 09:07:31 AM
What could the guy do? She just kept going on about 'purity of essence' and 'precious bodily fluids'. Do you know how much he paid a month for all that distilled water and pure grain alcohol?

There's only so much he could take
 
2012-08-25 10:28:34 AM

RoyBatty: I kind of wonder if this town now with two populations, one with fluoride, one without, for a year, could be the basis of a useful research stud


The effects are known already, the bottled water boom in the 90's,

As per usual, it's the kids that are effected the most.
 
2012-08-25 11:24:34 AM
Wackjob chemtrail flouride vaxxer thread detected!
 
2012-08-25 11:26:21 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: brerrabbit: I'm actually against flouridization systems in small towns.

I've worked at different waterplants as a repair tech and installer. Some of these places are so backwards that they simply cannot be trusted to maintain the equipment properly to ensure that too much flouride is not added.

Not anti-flouride, just anti idiot.

That is the only reasonable argument I have heard against it.


It's not at all reasonable. The reasonable response is to insure that it is done properly and that the required testing is being carried out.
 
2012-08-25 11:28:05 AM
Holy crap! Was that article rigged up by a monkey? We am having no editors?
 
2012-08-25 11:30:44 AM
not mention side effects that doctors have not yet discovered.

I'm going out on a limb here by suggesting that everything has side effects doctors have not yet discovered.
 
2012-08-25 11:31:24 AM
The Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, and the Izaak Walton League want their subjects to be nice and complacent, so drink your fluoride, citizen.
 
2012-08-25 11:31:44 AM
The wife sounds British.
 
2012-08-25 11:33:04 AM

seventypercent: The Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, and the Izaak Walton League want their subjects to be nice and complacent, so drink your fluoride, citizen.


Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent.
 
2012-08-25 11:33:19 AM

RoyBatty: I kind of wonder if this town now with two populations, one with fluoride, one without, for a year, could be the basis of a useful research study.


Too logical.
 
2012-08-25 11:34:09 AM

brerrabbit: I'm actually against flouridization systems in small towns.

I've worked at different waterplants as a repair tech and installer. Some of these places are so backwards that they simply cannot be trusted to maintain the equipment properly to ensure that too much flouride is not added.

Not anti-flouride, just anti idiot.


While your point is valid, Gilbert, at least now, is not a small town. This is just stupid people being stupid.
 
2012-08-25 11:34:40 AM

Bob_Laublaw: not mention side effects that doctors have not yet discovered.

I'm going out on a limb here by suggesting that everything has side effects doctors have not yet discovered.


There are known knowns;
there are things we know that we know.
There are known unknowns;
that is to say
there are things that, we now know we don't know.
But there are also unknown unknowns
there are things we do not know, we don't know.
 
2012-08-25 11:34:45 AM
Someone in Arizona is racking up the greenlights today.

\not that it would be hard, considering it's Arizona
 
2012-08-25 11:34:46 AM
Eevryone who got a cavity in the last year should sue him.
 
2012-08-25 11:36:08 AM
So three potential new members of congress?
 
2012-08-25 11:38:12 AM
well first of all it depends on what fluoride they use. sodium fluoride is very insoluble still dangerous but unlikely you will absorb enough to kill you. on the other hand Hexafluorosilicic acid should not be put into water. even small amounts can damage developing children. and this is the common one used in water fluoridation. our town uses sodium fluoride.
 
2012-08-25 11:39:31 AM

Bob_Laublaw: not mention side effects that doctors have not yet discovered.

I'm going out on a limb here by suggesting that everything has side effects doctors have not yet discovered.


That's good a reason not to do anything ever again. Ever.
 
2012-08-25 11:41:14 AM

BolloxReader: Someone in Arizona is racking up the greenlights today.

\not that it would be hard, considering it's Arizona


Arizona! It's the Flori........... aw, f*ck it. *sigh* My enthusiasm for that state ran out before even I started.
 
2012-08-25 11:44:02 AM
craftyreporting.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-25 11:44:14 AM
Frost's wife senses his power and seeks the life essence. He doesn't avoid her, but he does deny her his essence.
 
2012-08-25 11:48:54 AM
With that medicinal marijuana thread below, the Arizona Crazy trifecta is in play.

Said it before and I'll say it again, Arizona is the friggin' meth lab of democracy.
 
2012-08-25 11:49:55 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: seventypercent: The Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, and the Izaak Walton League want their subjects to be nice and complacent, so drink your fluoride, citizen.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent.


Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent
 
2012-08-25 11:52:59 AM

theorellior: Bob_Laublaw: not mention side effects that doctors have not yet discovered.

I'm going out on a limb here by suggesting that everything has side effects doctors have not yet discovered.

There are known knowns;
there are things we know that we know.
There are known unknowns;
that is to say
there are things that, we now know we don't know.
But there are also unknown unknowns
there are things we do not know, we don't know.


Ugh. I had wanted to forget about that...
 
2012-08-25 11:54:45 AM

Mjeck: The My Little Pony Killer: seventypercent: The Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, and the Izaak Walton League want their subjects to be nice and complacent, so drink your fluoride, citizen.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent


You forgot to mention you FTFM.

/thanks
 
2012-08-25 11:57:51 AM
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Life Begins at Arousal Link
 
2012-08-25 12:00:45 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Mjeck: The My Little Pony Killer: seventypercent: The Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, and the Izaak Walton League want their subjects to be nice and complacent, so drink your fluoride, citizen.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent

You forgot to mention you FTFM.

/thanks


Flouride doesn't act as *wink* a mind control agent *wink* *wink* What?
 
2012-08-25 12:02:22 PM

Mjeck: The My Little Pony Killer: Mjeck: The My Little Pony Killer: seventypercent: The Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, and the Izaak Walton League want their subjects to be nice and complacent, so drink your fluoride, citizen.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent

You forgot to mention you FTFM.

/thanks

Flouride doesn't act as *wink* a mind control agent *wink* *wink* What?


FLUORIDE. DOES. NOT. ACT. AS. A. MIND. CONTROL. AGENT. STOP.
 
2012-08-25 12:02:52 PM
I live in one of the largest cities in the country that doesn't flouridate its water. We're actually making it a ballot initiative in November and it's been fun to watch the crazies come out. Otherwise perfectly rational people go insane at the suggestion that adding flouride to the water supply might actually be a good thing.
 
2012-08-25 12:04:36 PM

vudukungfu: RoyBatty: I kind of wonder if this town now with two populations, one with fluoride, one without, for a year, could be the basis of a useful research study.

Too logical.


I'd be pretty surprised if you saw statistical difference after just a year.
 
2012-08-25 12:04:58 PM

RoyBatty: I kind of wonder if this town now with two populations, one with fluoride, one without, for a year, could be the basis of a useful research study.


Portland, OR.

Everywhere else has it, Portland doesn't.
 
2012-08-25 12:06:13 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: brerrabbit: I'm actually against flouridization systems in small towns.

I've worked at different waterplants as a repair tech and installer. Some of these places are so backwards that they simply cannot be trusted to maintain the equipment properly to ensure that too much flouride is not added.

Not anti-flouride, just anti idiot.

That is the only reasonable argument I have heard against it.


Sourcing of fluoride from dodgy suppliers is another reasonable argument as well. Though I'm not certain if this is truly a systemic problem or if someone in the township just decided to cut costs in this case and order off a random website. Or if the "ZOMG! China!" angle is just being leveraged by the anti-fluoride crew. (I thought this was more widespread but could not find enough non-partisan reports in a Google search to convince me.)

Also, "fluoride". Not "flouride".

/chemist
 
2012-08-25 12:07:04 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: seventypercent: The Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, and the Izaak Walton League want their subjects to be nice and complacent, so drink your fluoride, citizen.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent.


Says the government official. The whole point of the conspiracy theory is; guberment is out to get me. And they're fluoridating my water to do it.

/ it's kind of like a cigarette companie saying cigarettes are completely safe

// not that I subscribe to that particular theory

/ it's a conspiracy!!!!!1!!
 
2012-08-25 12:09:21 PM

iheartscotch: The My Little Pony Killer: seventypercent: The Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, and the Izaak Walton League want their subjects to be nice and complacent, so drink your fluoride, citizen.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent.

Says the government official. The whole point of the conspiracy theory is; guberment is out to get me. And they're fluoridating my water to do it.

/ it's kind of like a cigarette companie saying cigarettes are completely safe

// not that I subscribe to that particular theory

/ it's a conspiracy!!!!!1!!


Drink a drink of water and relax. it's not a mind control agent
 
2012-08-25 12:11:36 PM
Frank Burns eats worms.
 
2012-08-25 12:18:49 PM

Kuroshin: RoyBatty: I kind of wonder if this town now with two populations, one with fluoride, one without, for a year, could be the basis of a useful research study.

Portland, OR.

Everywhere else has it, Portland doesn't.


Eugene doesn't have it.

Neither does Springfield, but with all the meth, it's not like any dentist could tell the difference.
 
2012-08-25 12:18:57 PM

Mjeck: iheartscotch: The My Little Pony Killer: seventypercent: The Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, and the Izaak Walton League want their subjects to be nice and complacent, so drink your fluoride, citizen.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent.

Says the government official. The whole point of the conspiracy theory is; guberment is out to get me. And they're fluoridating my water to do it.

/ it's kind of like a cigarette companie saying cigarettes are completely safe

// not that I subscribe to that particular theory

/ it's a conspiracy!!!!!1!!

Drink a drink of water and relax. it's not a mind control agent


Never said it was. I'm just pointing out the pointlessness of anyone from any level of government saying that it's not a mind-control agent. Anyway; the real mind-control agent is the television. The idiot box keeps the masses from realizing that guberment is an absolute evil.

/ I keed, I keed
 
2012-08-25 12:19:29 PM
Crazy. They want crazy.

Maybe they could ban Teflon™ and Gore-Tex™, too. And put big barriers against walking on the 13th most occuring element on the earth's crust. Oh, and teach only Japanese, since Teflon played a big role in the Manhattan project. 

Or simply escrow about $50,000 per resident for future dental bills. Not a tax.
 
2012-08-25 12:19:32 PM

aerojockey: Mjeck: The My Little Pony Killer: Mjeck: The My Little Pony Killer: seventypercent: The Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, and the Izaak Walton League want their subjects to be nice and complacent, so drink your fluoride, citizen.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent

You forgot to mention you FTFM.

/thanks

Flouride doesn't act as *wink* a mind control agent *wink* *wink* What?

FLUORIDE. DOES. NOT. ACT. AS. A. MIND. CONTROL. AGENT. STOP.


Actually flouride isn't what they put in your water supply - what they put in there is called Hydrofluoric acid which is the main ingrediant in PROAZAC... So yes it does act as a mind control agent. END OF STORY.
 
2012-08-25 12:24:32 PM

Mjeck: it's not a mind control agent


I live in Ottawa and we've always had fluoridated water. You are correct: it's not a mind control agent.
And may I add that Stephen Harper is the best Prime Minister the world has ever seen.
 
2012-08-25 12:26:42 PM

halloran: aerojockey: Mjeck: The My Little Pony Killer: Mjeck: The My Little Pony Killer: seventypercent: The Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, and the Izaak Walton League want their subjects to be nice and complacent, so drink your fluoride, citizen.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent

You forgot to mention you FTFM.

/thanks

Flouride doesn't act as *wink* a mind control agent *wink* *wink* What?

FLUORIDE. DOES. NOT. ACT. AS. A. MIND. CONTROL. AGENT. STOP.

Actually flouride isn't what they put in your water supply - what they put in there is called Hydrofluoric acid which is the main ingrediant in PROAZAC... So yes it does act as a mind control agent. END OF STORY.


Oops not end of stort - need edit button - meant "Hydrofluorosilicic Acid". But flouride (Hydrofluoric acid )is the main ingrediant of prozac.

"Many psychoactive drugs including Prozac, Paxil and Luvox are fluorinated medications. Rohypnol, the infamous date- rape drug, is fluorinated Valium, which is about 20-30 times more potent than Valium alone. "
 
2012-08-25 12:30:48 PM

halloran: aerojockey: Mjeck: The My Little Pony Killer: Mjeck: The My Little Pony Killer: seventypercent: The Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, and the Izaak Walton League want their subjects to be nice and complacent, so drink your fluoride, citizen.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent

You forgot to mention you FTFM.

/thanks

Flouride doesn't act as *wink* a mind control agent *wink* *wink* What?

FLUORIDE. DOES. NOT. ACT. AS. A. MIND. CONTROL. AGENT. STOP.

Actually flouride isn't what they put in your water supply - what they put in there is called Hydrofluoric acid which is the main ingrediant in PROAZAC... So yes it does act as a mind control agent. END OF STORY.


Actually, you're a dumbass, and Hydrofluoric acid is not directly added to the water supply. It is a precursor chemical in the production of fluorine, but you may as well start ranting about how Hydrochloric acid is directly added to water as a disinfecting agent.
 
2012-08-25 12:38:51 PM
I'd actually like to see a study done that looked at the frequency of fluorinated water and learning disabilities. In the last decade; the frequency of learning disabilities has skyrocketed. I'm not saying fluoride is the cause; I'm just curious if there is a correlation.

/ correlation does not imply causation

// *pokes the bear*

/ I keed, I keed
 
2012-08-25 12:40:07 PM
Fluoride is fabulous.

What else shall we add to the water?
 
2012-08-25 12:42:52 PM

halloran: halloran: aerojockey: Mjeck: The My Little Pony Killer: Mjeck: The My Little Pony Killer: seventypercent: The Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, and the Izaak Walton League want their subjects to be nice and complacent, so drink your fluoride, citizen.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent

You forgot to mention you FTFM.

/thanks

Flouride doesn't act as *wink* a mind control agent *wink* *wink* What?

FLUORIDE. DOES. NOT. ACT. AS. A. MIND. CONTROL. AGENT. STOP.

Actually flouride isn't what they put in your water supply - what they put in there is called Hydrofluoric acid which is the main ingrediant in PROAZAC... So yes it does act as a mind control agent. END OF STORY.

Oops not end of stort - need edit button - meant "Hydrofluorosilicic Acid". But flouride (Hydrofluoric acid )is the main ingrediant of prozac.

"Many psychoactive drugs including Prozac, Paxil and Luvox are fluorinated medications. Rohypnol, the infamous date- rape drug, is fluorinated Valium, which is about 20-30 times more potent than Valium alone. "


For people who don't believe what he's saying, here is the chemical structure of Prozac:

upload.wikimedia.org

It's true. Why don't people understand? Look how many Fluorides there are. THREE. I don't see three of anything else there! There's one H, one N, one O, one C and THREE F's. So fluoride is the main ingredient in prozac.

So let me tell you, just like halloran is saying, there is essentially no difference between straight fluoride and HCNOF3. I just threw that chemical formula together based on the letters in the picture. We all know this instinctively too. We all drink water, which we all know is H2O. The main ingredient in water is hydrogen and we all know, if we drink a solution with a whole crap load of hydrogen in it that also is safe. Same goes for NaCl. NaCl is safe and so Cl alone is safe. I return you to HCNOF3 which I assume is Prozac. That alters the mind, so clearly F3 alters the mind.
 
2012-08-25 12:46:49 PM
Opponents of the process, however, point to the potential hazards of ingesting too much fluoride, including weight gain, tooth discoloration (dental fluorosis), arthritis-like symptoms and thyroid-related muscle pain, not mention side effects that doctors have not yet discovered.

One of those things seems to be a problem we as Americans can relate to.
 
2012-08-25 12:53:41 PM

meat0918: Kuroshin: RoyBatty: I kind of wonder if this town now with two populations, one with fluoride, one without, for a year, could be the basis of a useful research study.

Portland, OR.

Everywhere else has it, Portland doesn't.

Eugene doesn't have it.

Neither does Springfield, but with all the meth, it's not like any dentist could tell the difference.


Ah yes, good point. Other Portland and Other Portland's Little Sister don't fluoridate their water either. Forgot about those two.

What's weird (to me) is that I actually didn't even know that Portland didn't fluoridate their water until this recent controversy came up. I had thought we were all past that ridiculousness. All I could think about for the rest of the day was this guy:

blogs.ei.columbia.edu
 
2012-08-25 12:56:03 PM
A little bit of lithium in the water also goes a long way to reducing levels of depression, but don't even start with that because then you'll really have crazies coming out of the woodwork.
 
2012-08-25 01:03:39 PM

meat0918: Kuroshin: RoyBatty: I kind of wonder if this town now with two populations, one with fluoride, one without, for a year, could be the basis of a useful research study.

Portland, OR.

Everywhere else has it, Portland doesn't.

Eugene doesn't have it.

Neither does Springfield, but with all the meth, it's not like any dentist could tell the difference.


Neither does Lincoln County PUC (water company on the central coast).

Oregon doesn't like mind control. Considering this is the state where someone dumped gallons of LSD into the water supply (many years ago), that is kinda funny.
 
2012-08-25 01:05:37 PM

AlanSmithee: Mjeck: it's not a mind control agent

I live in Ottawa and we've always had fluoridated water. You are correct: it's not a mind control agent.
And may I add that Stephen Harper is the best Prime Minister the world has ever seen.


His name is Stephen Harper,
His name is Stephen Harper,
His name is Stephen Harper,
 
2012-08-25 01:08:18 PM

lennavan: halloran: halloran: aerojockey: Mjeck: The My Little Pony Killer: Mjeck: The My Little Pony Killer: seventypercent: The Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, and the Izaak Walton League want their subjects to be nice and complacent, so drink your fluoride, citizen.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent

You forgot to mention you FTFM.

/thanks

Flouride doesn't act as *wink* a mind control agent *wink* *wink* What?

FLUORIDE. DOES. NOT. ACT. AS. A. MIND. CONTROL. AGENT. STOP.

Actually flouride isn't what they put in your water supply - what they put in there is called Hydrofluoric acid which is the main ingrediant in PROAZAC... So yes it does act as a mind control agent. END OF STORY.

Oops not end of stort - need edit button - meant "Hydrofluorosilicic Acid". But flouride (Hydrofluoric acid )is the main ingrediant of prozac.

"Many psychoactive drugs including Prozac, Paxil and Luvox are fluorinated medications. Rohypnol, the infamous date- rape drug, is fluorinated Valium, which is about 20-30 times more potent than Valium alone. "

For people who don't believe what he's saying, here is the chemical structure of Prozac:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 524x263]

It's true. Why don't people understand? Look how many Fluorides there are. THREE. I don't see three of anything else there! There's one H, one N, one O, one C and THREE F's. So fluoride is the main ingredient in prozac.

So let me tell you, just like halloran is saying, there is essentially no difference between straight fluoride and HCNOF3. I just threw that chemical formula together based on the letters in the picture. We all know this instinctively too. We all drink water, which we all know is H2O. The main ingredient in water is hydrogen and we all know, if we drink a solution with a whole crap load of hydrogen in it that also is safe. Same goes for NaCl. NaCl is safe and so Cl alone is safe. I return you to HCNOF3 which I assume is ...



I'm more worried about thoughs hexigons, look how freaken big they are! i hope they arent putting hexigons in the water!
 
2012-08-25 01:10:02 PM
Fluorides and other minerals are common in small creeks and other natural sources, but collections of rain water, as reservoirs, some deep wells, and other sources of municipal water don't have a lot of minerals, particularly since people don't like hard water. Our biochemistry needs some of these for best functioning but didn't evolve methods of "hoarding" them internally because there was no shortage in the parts of Africa (or, allowing for other opinions, wherever we evolved from) in the last few hundred thousand years. Hunter-gatherers are one thing, urban dwellers are another, so we recognize mineral intake shortfalls and remedy them by "fixing" our artificial supplies.

Note that there is a similar thread of logic here regarding vitamins, primitive natural vs. civilized lifestyles, and supplements such as vitamin D milk and other enriched foods.

I have absolutely no idea why some in the 1950's decided that fluoridation was a goal of Communist plot with the end to soften the minds of the American public; the result of terminating fluoridation projects in some areas was the softening of teeth, not the hardening of minds. 

Of course, like any other public utility management process, public safety is the highest priority.  And, dialogue is a necessary and healthy part of the process of ensuring the public safety in our Republic - no matter what opinions are expressed. Besides, some of the fringe opinions do have entertainment value. The downside is that sometimes mistakes are made, such as withholding fluoridation where it is needed. I would hazard that mistakes are far more common when there is no dialogue.
 
2012-08-25 01:15:52 PM

Norad: Frank Burns eats worms.


+1 and thanks
 
2012-08-25 01:17:01 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: seventypercent: The Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, and the Izaak Walton League want their subjects to be nice and complacent, so drink your fluoride, citizen.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent.


That's exactly what the fluoride WANTS you to think!
 
2012-08-25 01:17:47 PM
FARKING FLUORIDE! HOW DOES IT WORK???



/If you know how it works, why would you add it to a product that will be ingested?
 
2012-08-25 01:18:29 PM

aerojockey: Eevryone who got a cavity in the last year should sue him.


You know every kid who got one in the last year is walking on air now. "I TOLD you I was brushing my teeth enough, Mom! It's not my fault there wasn't fluoride in the water!"
 
2012-08-25 01:31:14 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: seventypercent: The Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, and the Izaak Walton League want their subjects to be nice and complacent, so drink your fluoride, citizen.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent.


But it does make your teeth show up to government satellites.

The tips on shoelaces are called aglets. They serve a sinister purpose.
 
2012-08-25 01:33:07 PM

CokeBear: A little bit of lithium in the water also goes a long way to reducing levels of depression, but don't even start with that because then you'll really have crazies coming out of the woodwork.


And that will be The End of the Whole Mess
 
2012-08-25 01:36:22 PM
How many people actually drink from the tap now-a-days? I used to live in a place where water from the tap smelled of sulfur and was cloudy. I don't care if there was or wasn't fluoride in it, I wasn't going to drink it.
 
2012-08-25 01:37:50 PM

Fano: The tips on shoelaces are called aglets. They serve a sinister purpose.


Only the ones on the left.
 
2012-08-25 01:45:51 PM
"Two city officials have been placed on leave"

Hm, at my job I would be immediately fired.
Government jobs, how do they work?
 
2012-08-25 01:58:14 PM

Hyjamon: How many people actually drink from the tap now-a-days? I used to live in a place where water from the tap smelled of sulfur and was cloudy. I don't care if there was or wasn't fluoride in it, I wasn't going to drink it.


I try to avoid bottled water when possible. Tap water is actually held to a much higher standard of safety as compared to bottled water, not to mention of course that I like my teeth, and every bit of fluoride helps.

Also the cost. Bottled water is about 1000x as expensive as tap water per gallon, depending on the brand, and the price of water where you are, so even if bottled water was just as safe, and included the fluoride it still wouldn't make any sense to me.

Of course, once people start paying a stupidly high price for something, they start imagining all kinds of excuses for why they did it, like "it tastes better". Bullshiat. I put it to a blind taste test and haven't met anyone who can tell the difference. (Except for Dasani and Aquafina - those are disgusting. I suspect Coke & Pepsi are trying to differentiate their brands with an actual taste. Both taste horrible & metallic to me)
 
2012-08-25 02:06:46 PM

Begoggle: "Two city officials have been placed on leave"

Hm, at my job I would be immediately fired.
Government jobs, how do they work?



Unfortunately, the alternative -- employment at will, summary terminations -- typically resulted in civil servants having to help in re-election campaigns and/or pay a share of their salaries back to a politician; then being fired if the incumbent loses. Civil service job protections, and employee appeals boards that enforce those protections admittedly make legitimate terminations more of a hassle than they should be, but are a necessary evil.
 
2012-08-25 02:07:12 PM

Hyjamon: How many people actually drink from the tap now-a-days? I used to live in a place where water from the tap smelled of sulfur and was cloudy. I don't care if there was or wasn't fluoride in it, I wasn't going to drink it.


depends on where you live. in my town the water tastes fine, go a few towns over and you can light the water on fire becasue of natural gas mining.

YMMV
 
2012-08-25 02:20:11 PM
Look up calcified pineal cysts and its prevalence in America due to water fluoridation.
 
2012-08-25 02:24:39 PM
By the way orally ingesting flouride ions helps your teeth in no matter whatsoever except for the very brief moment when it actually passes through your mouth. It is so retarded that only a society like ours could state it was a good idea.
 
2012-08-25 02:36:18 PM
Ah, fluoride nutters. Right there with vaxers and birthers as idiots who don't understand science, and actually REFUSE to understand science.
 
2012-08-25 02:51:10 PM

ghare: Ah, fluoride nutters. Right there with vaxers and birthers as idiots who don't understand science, and actually REFUSE to understand science.



How does fluoride work to fight dental caries, ghare.

What's the "science"?
 
2012-08-25 02:53:06 PM
I'd say "small town politics" but it's not really a small town at all, just acting like one. The whole man-child fad is even carrying over to communities!

I wonder if the wife is anti-vaxxer. Anti-vax and anti-fluoride commonly go together, though some fluoride opponents are actually cogent about it.

PC LOAD LETTER: brerrabbit: I'm actually against flouridization systems in small towns.

I've worked at different waterplants as a repair tech and installer. Some of these places are so backwards that they simply cannot be trusted to maintain the equipment properly to ensure that too much flouride is not added.

Not anti-flouride, just anti idiot.

That is the only reasonable argument I have heard against it.


There have been reports of this very thing happening. Personally, I think that if testing shows that systems aren't being maintained correctly, the systems should be handed over to a larger government or private oversight, because they're causing a public health issue. Instead, they just have to publish an annual water report and no matter what they shows, there's no reason to bother changing anything. No one's going to force them.

(Having read numerous studies to educate myself, I understand that there is a fairly narrow range that's both safe & effective, and it's kind of scary when you see case studies of areas that went well beyond that and got huge jumps in fluorosis.)

My personal objection is that unless they're going to go around labeling every water tap UNSAFE FOR ANY CHILD UNDER 1 YEAR OLD or airing commercials during TV shows then it shouldn't be done. Studies have repeatedly shown that new mothers generally have no idea that fluoride is in the water and if they do know, what that means. They tag their annual water report with some fine print and make zero effort to actually publicize it, because cities are understaffed and generally have no idea how to publicize anything.

In general the safety effect is low because most feeding at that age comes from breastfeeding or formula & electrolyte anyway, but particularly among people who can't afford electrolyte juice the use of tap water in the bottle in between is common.

(Also, why don't more cities get cable contracts that allow them to freely air public health commercials? Using the emergency broadcast system for that would be... weird.)
 
2012-08-25 03:00:34 PM

RoyBatty: I kind of wonder if this town now with two populations, one with fluoride, one without, for a year, could be the basis of a useful research study.


Maybe, but that type of comparison study has been done before.
 
2012-08-25 03:22:23 PM

CokeBear: Hyjamon: How many people actually drink from the tap now-a-days? I used to live in a place where water from the tap smelled of sulfur and was cloudy. I don't care if there was or wasn't fluoride in it, I wasn't going to drink it.

I try to avoid bottled water when possible. Tap water is actually held to a much higher standard of safety as compared to bottled water, not to mention of course that I like my teeth, and every bit of fluoride helps.

Also the cost. Bottled water is about 1000x as expensive as tap water per gallon, depending on the brand, and the price of water where you are, so even if bottled water was just as safe, and included the fluoride it still wouldn't make any sense to me.

Of course, once people start paying a stupidly high price for something, they start imagining all kinds of excuses for why they did it, like "it tastes better". Bullshiat. I put it to a blind taste test and haven't met anyone who can tell the difference. (Except for Dasani and Aquafina - those are disgusting. I suspect Coke & Pepsi are trying to differentiate their brands with an actual taste. Both taste horrible & metallic to me)


Dasani (and possibly Aquafina) comes from a municipal water source anyways. Certain actual spring waters I think taste marginally better than others, but not enough to pay those prices for water.

\Brita and our were created to solve the local water taste problem.
 
2012-08-25 03:23:05 PM
I don't know if it is the fluoride in the water but something has made the majority of Americans seem to not care about the government screwing them over. (R's and D's alike collude to erode freedoms daily)
 
2012-08-25 03:39:29 PM
Has anyone mentioned that fluoride is not a mind control agent?
 
2012-08-25 04:05:08 PM

candiru.fish: Has anyone mentioned that fluoride is not a mind control agent?


candiru.fish: Has anyone mentioned that fluoride is not a mind control agent?



Do you buy toothpaste? Does it contain fluoride?

When you run out, do you buy more fluoridated toothpaste?
 
2012-08-25 04:08:18 PM

MrEricSir: RoyBatty: I kind of wonder if this town now with two populations, one with fluoride, one without, for a year, could be the basis of a useful research study.

Maybe, but that type of comparison study has been done before.


It's always good to be replicated.

That said, the reason "I wonder if" is that though it's in a single town, it's quite possible there are other substantial differences in population between their two water plants. Also, it is only a year...
 
2012-08-25 04:37:20 PM

RoyBatty: MrEricSir: RoyBatty: I kind of wonder if this town now with two populations, one with fluoride, one without, for a year, could be the basis of a useful research study.

Maybe, but that type of comparison study has been done before.

It's always good to be replicated.

That said, the reason "I wonder if" is that though it's in a single town, it's quite possible there are other substantial differences in population between their two water plants. Also, it is only a year...



What? You're not willing to take 60 year old poorly conducted studies at face value.

Why do you hate science? ;-)
 
2012-08-25 04:47:56 PM

Amos Quito: RoyBatty: MrEricSir: RoyBatty: I kind of wonder if this town now with two populations, one with fluoride, one without, for a year, could be the basis of a useful research study.

Maybe, but that type of comparison study has been done before.

It's always good to be replicated.

That said, the reason "I wonder if" is that though it's in a single town, it's quite possible there are other substantial differences in population between their two water plants. Also, it is only a year...


What? You're not willing to take 60 year old poorly conducted studies at face value.

Why do you hate science? ;-)


Someone needs to have a drink of water. It is not a mind control agent
 
2012-08-25 04:51:39 PM

Amos Quito: ghare: Ah, fluoride nutters. Right there with vaxers and birthers as idiots who don't understand science, and actually REFUSE to understand science.


How does fluoride work to fight dental caries, ghare.

What's the "science"?


I ain't gonna waste my time trying to reason someone out of a position they never reasoned themselves into.

YOU are a nut, boy. Go back to school.
 
2012-08-25 04:52:18 PM

Amos Quito: What? You're not willing to take 60 year old poorly conducted studies at face value.Why do you hate science? ;-)


I can't tell you how much it grieves me that you and I may have similar views on this. :(

But I think there's a lot to be said for the argument that people's teeth are better because of better information, better hygiene, more frequent dental visits, etc.

As a kid I grew up in LA and just assumed our water was fluoridated because hey, we were a modern city in a modern nation and everyone's water was fluoridated. In the 80s, I think it was, I discovered that LA did not fluoridate its water. Shocking!

LA now fluoridates its water, but it's only relatively recently, and I'm just not convinced that's necessary.

But my kids get fluoride treatments just as I did.
 
2012-08-25 04:56:46 PM
FFS water is naturally fluoridated in some parts of the country

berylman: By the way orally ingesting flouride ions helps your teeth in no matter whatsoever except for the very brief moment when it actually passes through your mouth. It is so retarded that only a society like ours could state it was a good idea.


Water is naturally fluoridated in some parts of the country. Health officials noticed lower dental decay rates in these areas, even though they had the same dental practices (or lack thereof) as places without naturally occurring fluoride. You may think it's "so retarded" but the cumulative effect of low levels of fluoride were proven long before anyone had the idea to put it intentionally into the water supply.
 
2012-08-25 05:03:26 PM

ghare: Amos Quito: ghare: Ah, fluoride nutters. Right there with vaxers and birthers as idiots who don't understand science, and actually REFUSE to understand science.


How does fluoride work to fight dental caries, ghare.

What's the "science"?

I ain't gonna waste my time trying to reason someone out of a position they never reasoned themselves into.

YOU are a nut, boy. Go back to school.



Good answer, ghare.

It demonstrates that you not only have no clue about the science, but actually REFUSE to understand the science.
 
2012-08-25 05:18:22 PM

RoyBatty: Amos Quito: What? You're not willing to take 60 year old poorly conducted studies at face value.Why do you hate science? ;-)

I can't tell you how much it grieves me that you and I may have similar views on this. :(


But I think there's a lot to be said for the argument that people's teeth are better because of better information, better hygiene, more frequent dental visits, etc.

As a kid I grew up in LA and just assumed our water was fluoridated because hey, we were a modern city in a modern nation and everyone's water was fluoridated. In the 80s, I think it was, I discovered that LA did not fluoridate its water. Shocking!

LA now fluoridates its water, but it's only relatively recently, and I'm just not convinced that's necessary.

But my kids get fluoride treatments just as I did.



Good dental hygiene is (obviously) the best way to prevent dental caries. The benefits of fluoride - for what they're worth - are from direct topical application - (supposedly) helping to prevent demineralization of the enamel, and to a lesser extent, to remineralize the surface of teeth.

There is virtually no benefit (and possibly considerable harm) from swallowing fluoride.

Thus to me, toothpastes, mouth rinses (etc) would be the obvious logical approach (spit). Adding fluoride to municipal water supplies would seem to make as much sense as using crop dusters to spray sunscreen over entire cities.


/May the gods grant you solace in your hour of grief
 
2012-08-25 05:37:03 PM

halloran: halloran: aerojockey: Mjeck: The My Little Pony Killer: Mjeck: The My Little Pony Killer: seventypercent: The Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, and the Izaak Walton League want their subjects to be nice and complacent, so drink your fluoride, citizen.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent

You forgot to mention you FTFM.

/thanks

Flouride doesn't act as *wink* a mind control agent *wink* *wink* What?

FLUORIDE. DOES. NOT. ACT. AS. A. MIND. CONTROL. AGENT. STOP.

Actually flouride isn't what they put in your water supply - what they put in there is called Hydrofluoric acid which is the main ingrediant in PROAZAC... So yes it does act as a mind control agent. END OF STORY.

Oops not end of stort - need edit button - meant "Hydrofluorosilicic Acid". But flouride (Hydrofluoric acid )is the main ingrediant of prozac.

"Many psychoactive drugs including Prozac, Paxil and Luvox are fluorinated medications. Rohypnol, the infamous date- rape drug, is fluorinated Valium, which is about 20-30 times more potent than Valium alone. "


Please refresh your ions. Floridated = floride
Florinated = florine
 
2012-08-25 05:56:56 PM

iivel: halloran: halloran: aerojockey: Mjeck: The My Little Pony Killer: Mjeck: The My Little Pony Killer: seventypercent: The Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, and the Izaak Walton League want their subjects to be nice and complacent, so drink your fluoride, citizen.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent

You forgot to mention you FTFM.

/thanks

Flouride doesn't act as *wink* a mind control agent *wink* *wink* What?

FLUORIDE. DOES. NOT. ACT. AS. A. MIND. CONTROL. AGENT. STOP.

Actually flouride isn't what they put in your water supply - what they put in there is called Hydrofluoric acid which is the main ingrediant in PROAZAC... So yes it does act as a mind control agent. END OF STORY.

Oops not end of stort - need edit button - meant "Hydrofluorosilicic Acid". But flouride (Hydrofluoric acid )is the main ingrediant of prozac.

"Many psychoactive drugs including Prozac, Paxil and Luvox are fluorinated medications. Rohypnol, the infamous date- rape drug, is fluorinated Valium, which is about 20-30 times more potent than Valium alone. "

Please refresh your ions. Floridated = floride
Florinated = florine



[Hey, where U go?]


And please don't confuse floridated shoes (Florsheim) with fluoridated water (Fluorsham).

Your feet will thank you.


/And don't get me started on Florida
 
2012-08-25 06:19:25 PM

Amos Quito: Adding fluoride to municipal water supplies would seem to make as much sense as using crop dusters to spray sunscreen over entire cities.


On the other hand, I live in Arizona, and this might be cheaper than having every one carry around a tiny amount of sunscreen. And a lot more fun too.

(Sounds of Turkey in the Straw and a huge radial engine from a Stearman...)

Hey Johnny, there's the suncreen duster, run!
 
2012-08-25 06:38:07 PM
Makes me wonder if fluoride isn't some sort of mind-control agent.
 
2012-08-25 06:47:39 PM

RoyBatty: Amos Quito: Adding fluoride to municipal water supplies would seem to make as much sense as using crop dusters to spray sunscreen over entire cities.

On the other hand, I live in Arizona, and this might be cheaper than having every one carry around a tiny amount of sunscreen. And a lot more fun too.

(Sounds of Turkey in the Straw and a huge radial engine from a Stearman...)

Hey Johnny, there's the suncreen duster, run!



cdnimg.visualizeus.com 

What forced sunscreenization might look like
 
2012-08-25 10:51:28 PM

bobtheallmighty: I'm more worried about thoughs hexigons, look how freaken big they are! i hope they arent putting hexigons in the water!


I thought we killed all the hexagons during the Geometry Wars. Vicious bastards. Lemme at 'em, I say!
 
2012-08-25 11:06:45 PM
As a "victim" of chronic fluoride "poisoning" I'm getting a kick.

CSS My mother over-supplemented me as a kid (if one fluoride chewable pill is good three is great etc). As a result I have mildly discolored teeth, and had basically no cavities as a child. That's it. That's what happens in most cases of chronic fluoride poisoning. Oooooh soooo scary.

My grandmother was raised on well-water that naturally had a lot of fluoride and other minerals. Faaaar above what is recommended. Her teeth are very discolored. They are also amazing durable, she's 87 years old and has nearly a complete set. Only a couple years ago did she get one tooth removed. Mind, all those minerals did a number on her kidneys, but again, the amount of minerals in her well-water as a child was far higher than would ever be allowed in municipal water (and I'm not sure it was the fluoride that did it, it could have been the high levels of calcium).

Discolored but cavity resistant teeth. If that's poisoning please, give me more poison!
 
2012-08-25 11:10:24 PM

halloran: halloran: aerojockey: Mjeck: The My Little Pony Killer: Mjeck: The My Little Pony Killer: seventypercent: The Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, and the Izaak Walton League want their subjects to be nice and complacent, so drink your fluoride, citizen.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent.

Flouride doesn't act as a mind control agent

You forgot to mention you FTFM.

/thanks

Flouride doesn't act as *wink* a mind control agent *wink* *wink* What?

FLUORIDE. DOES. NOT. ACT. AS. A. MIND. CONTROL. AGENT. STOP.

Actually flouride isn't what they put in your water supply - what they put in there is called Hydrofluoric acid which is the main ingrediant in PROAZAC... So yes it does act as a mind control agent. END OF STORY.

Oops not end of stort - need edit button - meant "Hydrofluorosilicic Acid". But flouride (Hydrofluoric acid )is the main ingrediant of prozac.

"Many psychoactive drugs including Prozac, Paxil and Luvox are fluorinated medications. Rohypnol, the infamous date- rape drug, is fluorinated Valium, which is about 20-30 times more potent than Valium alone. "


Did you know sodium, a metal that burns violently when it comes into contact with water, and chlorine, a poison gas!!! are the two ingredients for table salt? Table salt!! All these centuries we've been eating poison! Oh the humanity!
 
2012-08-25 11:47:36 PM

rugman11: I live in one of the largest cities in the country that doesn't flouridate its water. We're actually making it a ballot initiative in November and it's been fun to watch the crazies come out. Otherwise perfectly rational people go insane at the suggestion that adding flouride to the water supply might actually be a good thing.


otherwise? why does this make them insane, I wonder.
 
2012-08-26 07:32:27 AM

Hector Remarkable: Makes me wonder if fluoride isn't some sort of mind-control agent.


Fluoride doesn't act as a mind control agent.
 
2012-08-26 08:13:45 AM
It can create an environment for some hot make-up sex, however.
 
2012-08-26 01:45:24 PM

lennavan: halloran:

...

So let me tell you, just like halloran is saying, there is essentially no difference between straight fluoride and HCNOF3. I just threw that chemical formula together based on the letters in the picture. We all know this instinctively too. We all drink water, which we all know is H2O. The main ingredient in water is hydrogen and we all know, if we drink a solution with a whole crap load of hydrogen in it that also is safe. Same goes for NaCl. NaCl is safe and so Cl alone is safe. I return you to HCNOF3 which I assume is ...


I will drink a volume of your supposedly-safe H20, if you will try out this nice liquified C3H8.
 
2012-08-26 08:44:15 PM
And if your wife is in charge of a committee to get a guy elected president, you shouldn't be on the Supreme Court that appoints him. Funny how that works.

/Or ought to
 
2012-08-27 12:22:28 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

bobtheallmighty: I'm more worried about thoughs hexigons, look how freaken big they are! i hope they arent putting hexigons in the water!


Oh shiat I didn't even notice the hexagons. And there's two of them! Wait. I think I saw the squiggly hexagon move... Hey that's not a hexagon, that's a BACTERIOPHAGE HOLY CRAP PEOPLE CHEMISTS ARE USING FLUORIDE TO HIDE BACTERIOPHAGES IN CHEMICALS TO FORCE PEOPLE TO INFECT THEMSELVES. THE PROOF IS ALL HERE

www.bacteriophagetherapy.info
 
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