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2012-08-25 11:02:26 AM
5 votes:
I've never liked "medical marijuana". It should be legalised for recreational use. Responsible people can safely use alcohol and I don't see any evidence that marijuana would be any different.
2012-08-25 08:19:57 AM
5 votes:
if Obama really wanted a game changer he should announce that he would move to get the federal controlled substance act amended to allow for medical mj. It might not pick him up a lot of new allies but it would sure energize a lot of his base.
2012-08-25 01:35:47 AM
5 votes:
Maricopa County jagg-offs pick this subject to agree with the Feds on?

Well color me surprised.
2012-08-25 11:30:39 AM
4 votes:

TimonC346: HotIgneous Intruder: Growing and smoking the weed is a federal crime.
Get over it or change the laws, idiots.

Yeah, they are trying to make it legal at the state level. I realize federal laws trump state ones, sure, but can you give me a reason marijuana is illegal?

Bonus points for not using the phrase "dangerous drugs". Because it isn't.

/don't smoke
//don't get why it is illegal


it is illegal because of the Temperence movement. Pot is one of the very few drugs actually banned specifically by Congress. Between DuPont wanting to corner the rope market and its high useage among Hispanics (a big threat according to many people at the time) it was an easy sell to Congress. The AMA testified against a ban as did a couple others. IIRC the only one who testified in favor of the ban was a "researcher" who injected something into the brains of a hundred dogs, four of which died. This was years before THC was isolated so who knows what he actually injected into their brains.

Anyway, Congress was trying to ban everything chemical back then so they scolded the folks testifying against the ban for wasting the committee's time, and the whole thing passed Congress pretty much without debate. The DuPont influence meant that hemp plants were banned in their entirety because of a zero tolerance clause. Their artificial ropes became the only game in town.

Because it was Congress and not the FDA that prohibited marijuana, it will take Congressional action to permit it. And that will never happen. It's too damned useful for law enforcement to get people they don't like off the streets.

I've never smoked pot, nor do I have any desire to do so, but the whole thing is stupid. The worst thing that I can think of is that people shouldn't be under the influence while operating heavy machinery. We already have rules for that, DUIs can be (and are) handed out for driving while high.
2012-08-25 08:30:13 AM
3 votes:

Hobodeluxe: if Obama really wanted a game changer he should announce that he would move to get the federal controlled substance act amended to allow for medical mj. It might not pick him up a lot of new allies but it would sure energize a lot of his base.


This is going to sound bad, but he can't do a damned thing this term about drug law reform because he's back. It wou just add fuel to the Conservative fear of "The Other".
2012-08-25 04:22:24 AM
3 votes:
Goddammit so much - state's rights - please take them away from us!

Fark that. Federal laws against marijuana are unconstitutional, Wickard v Filburn and Raich vs. whoever be damned.

It took a Constitutional Amendment to ban alcohol, why is this any different?

And BTW, I'm sure marijuana helps some medical conditions, but fark that, I should have the right to get high if I want to for purely recreational reasons.
2012-08-25 01:47:25 AM
3 votes:
Brewer tried this route and failed. Scream states' rights for some shiat and then come crawling back to the feds when the will of the people conflicts with your authoritarian worldview. These asswipes don't belong in government.
2012-08-25 05:20:12 PM
2 votes:
I have been a lifelong supporter of those who wish to use marijuana recreationally, but was too chicken to actually try it myself based on my sheltered upbringing. A few years ago, I said, "fark it!" and finally gave it a go at the age of 35 socially. A few instances later, I went for broke and got stoned off my ass. It was delightful...I felt like a big, smiling blimp as I slowly walked around. Wow. It felt MUCH better than being drunk. The next morning, I woke up without a hangover and went about my day as if I were healthy, happy and completely in control of myself. There were dozens of times waking up from an alcoholic bender that I couldn't function well for much of the day, and I'm sure my liver has many scars from it.

Let's get this over with and legalize it. Please.
2012-08-25 04:50:35 PM
2 votes:

blockhouse: BigTexas: tenpoundsofcheese: BolloxReader: I've never smoked pot, nor do I have any desire to do so, but the whole thing is stupid. The worst thing that I can think of is that people shouldn't be under the influence while operating heavy machinery. We already have rules for that, DUIs can be (and are) handed out for driving while high.

I just don't see how the FDA would approve a substance that is shown to have paranoia as a side effect.

How cute. Please search for the Parkinson's medication Requip. Allow me to quote it. "Requip may cause hallucinations" also "You may have increased sexual urges, unusual urges to gamble, or other intense urges while taking Requip." So your right, I am not sure how the FDA would allow something with negative side effects.

Oh, come on. You went with pramipexole? There are much lower-hanging fruits that can illustrate your point. (BTW, far more people use it for restless leg syndrome than Parkinsons.)

There is no drug more paranoia-inducing than interferon alfa. I've seen patients go psychotic while on that drug. The reason the FDA approved it is that the risks of psychosis are outweighed by the benefit of being cured of hepatitis C.

Other frankly unsafe drugs are aldesleukin (used for melanoma and renal cell carcinoma) and ipilimumab (also used for melanoma). Look up the side-effects of those if you want an interesting/scary read.

(Unless drug companies start paying me, I will not advertise their products by referring to them with the proprietary brand name. Generic names only.)


ALL drugs have potentially undesireable effects (what we call "side effects"). The issue, as with interferon, is whether those other effects are outweighed by the benefits of not dying from a horrible disease.

Not everyone--or even most people--get paranoid from smoking pot, and, if only it wasn't illegal so we could study it, a little research might find an optimal amount beyond which paranoia is induced, or other contributing factors, or which strain is more likely to cause it.

Yes, if only marijuana wasn't illegal, we could actually study it and learn its properties. Shame, isn't it?
2012-08-25 04:07:21 PM
2 votes:

BigTexas: tenpoundsofcheese: BolloxReader: I've never smoked pot, nor do I have any desire to do so, but the whole thing is stupid. The worst thing that I can think of is that people shouldn't be under the influence while operating heavy machinery. We already have rules for that, DUIs can be (and are) handed out for driving while high.

I just don't see how the FDA would approve a substance that is shown to have paranoia as a side effect.

How cute. Please search for the Parkinson's medication Requip. Allow me to quote it. "Requip may cause hallucinations" also "You may have increased sexual urges, unusual urges to gamble, or other intense urges while taking Requip." So your right, I am not sure how the FDA would allow something with negative side effects.


Oh, come on. You went with pramipexole? There are much lower-hanging fruits that can illustrate your point. (BTW, far more people use it for restless leg syndrome than Parkinsons.)

There is no drug more paranoia-inducing than interferon alfa. I've seen patients go psychotic while on that drug. The reason the FDA approved it is that the risks of psychosis are outweighed by the benefit of being cured of hepatitis C.

Other frankly unsafe drugs are aldesleukin (used for melanoma and renal cell carcinoma) and ipilimumab (also used for melanoma). Look up the side-effects of those if you want an interesting/scary read.

(Unless drug companies start paying me, I will not advertise their products by referring to them with the proprietary brand name. Generic names only.)
2012-08-25 01:29:21 PM
2 votes:
Bullshiat. These guys don't care about federal law. They are only using federal law as a convenient excuse to go against the public's wishes because of their own ignorant ideas about marijuana.
2012-08-25 11:26:37 AM
2 votes:

Hobodeluxe: if Obama really wanted a game changer he should announce that he would move to get the federal controlled substance act amended to allow for medical mj. It might not pick him up a lot of new allies but it would sure energize a lot of his base.


He doesn't have to do that. The CSA gives him pretty wide latitude on how to classify various drugs. All he really needs to do is issue an executive order stating that marijuana has recognized medical properties, so he can classify it as Schedule II.
2012-08-25 11:18:24 AM
2 votes:

violentsalvation: come crawling back to the feds when the will of the people conflicts with your authoritarian worldview federal law. These people asswipes don't belong in have been supporting the federal government government.


ftfy

Arizona tried to enforce immigration when the feds wouldn't because they were too busy sending out illegal guns.

Now they are being blamed for enforcing a federal law.

At least they understand the bounds of the fed government and state rights. Do you?
2012-08-25 11:06:15 AM
2 votes:

Happy Hours: Goddammit so much - state's rights - please take them away from us!

Fark that. Federal laws against marijuana are unconstitutional, Wickard v Filburn and Raich vs. whoever be damned.

It took a Constitutional Amendment to ban alcohol, why is this any different?

And BTW, I'm sure marijuana helps some medical conditions, but fark that, I should have the right to get high if I want to for purely recreational reasons.


I'm suprised this point isn't argued more. Every article seems to be about the medical use for marijuana, when we all know people just want to get high. But that should be fine. People can get drunk if they want. Let them smoke. Of course, you shouldn't drive high and all that jazz. But if someone wants to light up at home and take the edge off, why are we still trying to stop them?

TimonC346: HotIgneous Intruder: Growing and smoking the weed is a federal crime.
Get over it or change the laws, idiots.

Yeah, they are trying to make it legal at the state level. I realize federal laws trump state ones, sure, but can you give me a reason marijuana is illegal?

Bonus points for not using the phrase "dangerous drugs". Because it isn't.

/don't smoke
//don't get why it is illegal


I'd like to see this as well. A good, solid, no bs argument as to why marijuana is illegal. Why is it less acceptable than alcohol.
2012-08-25 11:00:38 AM
2 votes:

Texian: Hobodeluxe: if Obama really wanted a game changer he should announce that he would move to get the federal controlled substance act amended to allow for medical mj. It might not pick him up a lot of new allies but it would sure energize a lot of his base.

This is going to sound bad, but he can't do a damned thing this term about drug law reform because he's back. It wou just add fuel to the Conservative fear of "The Other".


I realize this is anecdotal, but I know quite a few self identified Republicans who support marijuana legalization. Contrary to popular belief, democrats are not the only ones who enjoy a good long toke. And the people you speak of who would have a problem with a black man changing federal drug laws were never going to vote for him anyway, so fark them. I think if nothing else it would make Obama more popular among his base who has expressed disinterest in voting this election.
2012-08-25 10:54:16 AM
2 votes:
"The White Mountain Health Center sued Maricopa County and the Arizona Department of Health Services after the County refused to issue the proper zoning permits that would allow the Center to operate a non-profit medical marijuana dispensary and cultivation site in Sun City.
"It is the County's position that the AMMA is in direct violation of the federal Controlled Substances Act and therefore cannot be implemented without exposing County employees to the risk of federal prosecution," said Montgomery."

Why is it that I suspect that somewhere in the Maricopa County Charter there's a provision which denies anyone from having any fun, ever?
2012-08-25 08:32:31 AM
2 votes:
Damned "Add Comment" Button, that should be "because he's black."
2012-08-25 02:36:26 AM
2 votes:

violentsalvation: Brewer tried this route and failed. Scream states' rights for some shiat and then come crawling back to the feds when the will of the people conflicts with your authoritarian worldview. These asswipes don't belong in government.


This was Brewer's route and still is:

Link

i.imgur.com

She is only going ahead with issuing permits because a court ordered her to.

i.imgur.com

If there was audio associated with that article it would be the sound of an evil cackle.
2012-08-25 11:45:14 PM
1 votes:

Hobodeluxe: Serious Black: Hobodeluxe: if Obama really wanted a game changer he should announce that he would move to get the federal controlled substance act amended to allow for medical mj. It might not pick him up a lot of new allies but it would sure energize a lot of his base.

He doesn't have to do that. The CSA gives him pretty wide latitude on how to classify various drugs. All he really needs to do is issue an executive order stating that marijuana has recognized medical properties, so he can classify it as Schedule II.

No I'm pretty sure congress has to do that.


Negative. Read the Controlled Substance Act. Here's a handy link. Section 811 gives the authority for rescheduling controlled substances to the Attorney General. No act of Congress is needed.
2012-08-25 10:10:39 PM
1 votes:

ChasingPi: I've noticed pot in the long run tends to turn people into tea party activists. Honestly, I'm smoked the shiat. It largely contributed to making me unstable and paranoid. Definitely paranoid. And too anxious. I'm glad I'm off of it. I don't care for alcohol either. I wish I could break tobacco. If I could make these three drugs vanish from the face of the earth I would. Until then I've got no clue as to what to do about them. I know capitalizing them is a really bad idea though. I kind of agree with how obama is handling everything on drugs. The big problem with medicinal pot is it's being prescribed for complete BS, like the symptoms of withdrawl.


And some things react differently with different people. Alcohol can be ok with some people, and others will be violent. Tobacco I find no usefulness with. Marijuana does good for some, not for everyone. Many with PTSD from the wars they were involved in find it beneficial. My mother who had cancer would have found it helpful during the treatment she underwent. Part of the paranoia in some is the fact that it is illegal. I think it is up to the individual to see what is best for them. I do believe it is less harmful than most and since it doesn't have the physical withdrawal that people experience with other drugs I think it is one of the better alternatives.
2012-08-25 06:35:45 PM
1 votes:

OnlyMeanWitchesAreUgly: MoronLessOff: fragMasterFlash: MoronLessOff: I'd like to see this as well. A good, solid, no bs argument as to why marijuana is illegal. Why is it less acceptable than alcohol.

Its harder to tax than alcohol. All praise and glory to the mighty tax dollar!

Is it? It seems pretty easy to tax tobacco. Although, I'm sure plenty of people would grow their own. Then again, home brew beer and wine is a popular hobby. I still don't see the difference.

Home brew beer and wine are considered inferior products compared to the stuff you can purchase. You can easily grow a quality product at home when it comes to marijuana.


Someone-who-has-never-grown-cannabis-like-typing detected.
2012-08-25 04:51:19 PM
1 votes:

super_grass: So... when Arizona changes its illegal immigration policy against the wish of the feds, farkers complain.

After Arizona learns its lesson and changes its marijuana to follow fed policy, farkers still complain.

Methinks that issue here isn't Arizona's relationship with the Washington, it's about how its selective enforcement of federal law in the state does not follow your average farker's personal preferences. Federal law cuts both ways for your FREEDUMBs, idiots, deal with it.


Arizona hasn't "learned its lesson." The first time we voted for decriminalizing marijuana, it was simply tossed out. The second time, it was declared that the voters simply didn't have a clue what they voted for -- and that one got thrown out. The third time around, the proposed law got hijacked by a group of loonies who tried to throw in heroin and cocaine for legalization, too. Fourth time around, it became a "medical marijuana" issue, passed, and they've been trying to overrule the voters this time, too, but haven't come up with a legitimate excuse yet.

Tom Horne destroyed the state's education system already, then moved on to be attorney general so he could fark up everything else. Arizona voters are so goddamned clueless.
2012-08-25 03:55:20 PM
1 votes:

NutWrench: I assume they're going to argue that the "Interstate Commerce" clause in the Constitution is what gives the Feds the right to strike down the local law.
So in what way does pot grown in Arizona, sold in Arizona and consumed in Arizona constitute "Interstate Commerce?"


That precedent was set in the 1942 court case of Wickard v Filburn. Here's the Wikipedia article. In a nutshell, the reason is "even crops that don't leave the farm affect interstate commerce, and fark you, that's why."

Despite what Republicans claim, we haven't had a limited government with a clear distinction between federal and state powers for a very long time. The states are become merely convenient administrative subdivisions of the national government.
2012-08-25 03:39:06 PM
1 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: Growing and smoking the weed is a federal crime.
Get over it or change the laws, idiots.



An enlightened stance from someone who obviously understands the history of anti-marijuana legislation. $20 says you aren't black or hispanic.

They are trying to change the law numb-nuts, by changing the laws and creating debate at the state level they bring the issue to the national stage where it can be addressed at the federal level. It's called political pressure and the more states that legalize med mj the more pressure the feds feel to GET OFF THEIR ASSES AND FIX THE LAW.

So since they are already trying to change the law as you suggest, your comment essentially comes down to "get over it" which i must say is simply brilliant,
2012-08-25 03:06:35 PM
1 votes:
It's a racist law and should be struck from the books.

It's only there because white people were scared of Mexicans and Negroes who enjoyed a little MJ after a hard days labour.

It was cemented into place by paper manufacturing magnates who felt they needed to protect their industry from the hemp industry.
2012-08-25 02:09:04 PM
1 votes:

Serious Black: way south: Serious Black:

Why legalize for recreational purposes something that has no medicinal benefits and bad side effects?

We're talking about marijuana, not alcohol and tobacco.

Are alcohol and tobacco not drugs like marijuana? Any policy affecting marijuana implicitly says things about other drugs. Banning marijuana tells the public that alcohol and tobacco are safer, even though all available evidence says that is undeniably not true. Nobody has ever died from a marijuana overdose while several thousand people die from alcohol poisoning every year. As for tobacco, nicotine is the single most addictive drug on the planet while marijuana is one of the least addictive drugs.


It should, but it doesn't.
The ban on Marijuana has nothing to do with its medicinal value or danger to society. It was just another publicity stunt to fix a problem that didn't exist. You can reference prohibition, gun control, bans on prostitution and a half a dozen other overly regulated things for examples on how that goes.
The politicians didn't care for the details. They just wanted votes and had to "do something" to get them.

Inventing problems to solve works just as good as solving actual problems.

If we were to go by value then tobacco has no medicinal use and the benefits of Alcohol (aside from improving Fark headlines) are questionable at best. Alcohol in particular is at the source of many incidents of domestic violence and fatal road accidents.
If we are going to ban a drug based on its threat to society then there are two far better contenders than Marijuana.

/Personally: My view is that if the Doctor thinks you need it then he should be able to prescribe it.
/Even if its poison, that's between the two of you and the outcomes are on his head as much as yours.
/Alcohol is a toxic substance and has been destroying our society for ages, I'd ban it in a heartbeat.
/...but I already know that ban's don't work. So that's not a solution for anything.
/Stop buying guns for those morons at the ATF and give the doctors that money so we can treat addicts.
2012-08-25 01:35:48 PM
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: I just don't see how the FDA would approve a substance that is shown to have paranoia as a side effect.


Methamphetamine is FDA approved, so I think marijuana would be just fine getting approval should some enforcement laws change. Besides, many medications can cause paranoia - Celexa, trazodone, gabapentin, Wellbutrin, and Prozac just to name a few.
2012-08-25 01:28:59 PM
1 votes:
thanks cheese, but you may have missed the point of my comment.

from your source: "Christoph U. Correll, MD, medical director of the Recognition and Prevention Program at the Zucker Hillside Hospital in Glen Oaks, N.Y., says that "marijuana usage can contribute to psychiatric disorders, but many people use it and don't have a psychiatric disorder"

When asked if he thought the marijuana was the chicken or the egg, he says: "I think it is a mixture. Some people affected by illness may choose pot to cope with symptoms, but at least for a subgroup, use of pot at an earlier age may hasten the onset of psychotic illness."

my thoughts--young people should not be smoking pot, period. i would definitely not advocate an age at which it is ok to begin, but i think you should probably finish high school first. YMMV
2012-08-25 01:28:37 PM
1 votes:

OnlyMeanWitchesAreUgly: MoronLessOff: fragMasterFlash: MoronLessOff: I'd like to see this as well. A good, solid, no bs argument as to why marijuana is illegal. Why is it less acceptable than alcohol.

Its harder to tax than alcohol. All praise and glory to the mighty tax dollar!

Is it? It seems pretty easy to tax tobacco. Although, I'm sure plenty of people would grow their own. Then again, home brew beer and wine is a popular hobby. I still don't see the difference.

Home brew beer and wine are considered inferior products compared to the stuff you can purchase. You can easily grow a quality product at home when it comes to marijuana.


I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

muck4doo: TimonC346: HotIgneous Intruder: Growing and smoking the weed is a federal crime.
Get over it or change the laws, idiots.

Yeah, they are trying to make it legal at the state level. I realize federal laws trump state ones, sure, but can you give me a reason marijuana is illegal?

Bonus points for not using the phrase "dangerous drugs". Because it isn't.

/don't smoke
//don't get why it is illegal

These are the same people who say e-cigarettes are dangerous.


My employer recently took on a "No Tobacco" policy. No product use at all while on campus. Why this includes e-cigs is beyond me.
2012-08-25 01:18:55 PM
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: BolloxReader: I've never smoked pot, nor do I have any desire to do so, but the whole thing is stupid. The worst thing that I can think of is that people shouldn't be under the influence while operating heavy machinery. We already have rules for that, DUIs can be (and are) handed out for driving while high.

I just don't see how the FDA would approve a substance that is shown to have paranoia as a side effect.


How cute. Please search for the Parkinson's medication Requip. Allow me to quote it. "Requip may cause hallucinations" also "You may have increased sexual urges, unusual urges to gamble, or other intense urges while taking Requip." So your right, I am not sure how the FDA would allow something with negative side effects.
2012-08-25 01:16:26 PM
1 votes:

mutterfark: I've never liked "medical marijuana". It should be legalised for recreational use. Responsible people can safely use alcohol and I don't see any evidence that marijuana would be any different.


Actually, marajuana is safer to use verses using alcohol. I have never heard of a case where someone has died because of an overdose, or "marajuana poisoning", whereas, there are plenty of cases every year of alcohol poisoning deaths.
2012-08-25 01:11:27 PM
1 votes:

BolloxReader: TimonC346: HotIgneous Intruder: Growing and smoking the weed is a federal crime.
Get over it or change the laws, idiots.

Yeah, they are trying to make it legal at the state level. I realize federal laws trump state ones, sure, but can you give me a reason marijuana is illegal?

Bonus points for not using the phrase "dangerous drugs". Because it isn't.

/don't smoke
//don't get why it is illegal

it is illegal because of the Temperence movement. Pot is one of the very few drugs actually banned specifically by Congress. Between DuPont wanting to corner the rope market and its high useage among Hispanics (a big threat according to many people at the time) it was an easy sell to Congress. The AMA testified against a ban as did a couple others. IIRC the only one who testified in favor of the ban was a "researcher" who injected something into the brains of a hundred dogs, four of which died. This was years before THC was isolated so who knows what he actually injected into their brains.

Anyway, Congress was trying to ban everything chemical back then so they scolded the folks testifying against the ban for wasting the committee's time, and the whole thing passed Congress pretty much without debate. The DuPont influence meant that hemp plants were banned in their entirety because of a zero tolerance clause. Their artificial ropes became the only game in town.

Because it was Congress and not the FDA that prohibited marijuana, it will take Congressional action to permit it. And that will never happen. It's too damned useful for law enforcement to get people they don't like off the streets.

I've never smoked pot, nor do I have any desire to do so, but the whole thing is stupid. The worst thing that I can think of is that people shouldn't be under the influence while operating heavy machinery. We already have rules for that, DUIs can be (and are) handed out for driving while high.


Many western states do not enforce Marijuana bans at all. I know from personal experiences that both CA and OR basically don't give a shiat about the stuff.

I have been stopped by cops (walking, and driving) while in possession, and never once has it been an issue. They don't even so much as scold you anymore. It's usually "have a nice day" 'citizen' (I add that last part in my head, because I think it's funny).

Just the other day, I was driving someone to the airport, and she just had to smoke before her flight. We got pulled over for doing 71 in a 55. It went like this...
ME: we are about to get pulled over, put that away.
COP: LIGHTS!
Cop: You were doing 71 in a 55, why? Also, I can smell pot.
Me: I was passing a truck
Cop: do you have pot in the car?
Me: I Don't.
HER: uh, yes, I do
Cop: do you have a medical card?
HER: Yes, here it is /hands over card and pot
Cop: BRB
me: God damn it so much
Cop after 5 minutes: Here is your weed back, and your card, you guys have a nice day.

Me: WTF just happened?!
2012-08-25 01:09:35 PM
1 votes:

EZ Writer: Another Government Employee: EZ Writer: At what point can we give them back to Mexico? I'm even willing to throw in Texas to sweeten the deal...

Hell, the Texans would take over and everyone will much better off.

I thought Texans were already pretty much Mexicans?


They are Americans many of whom have Mexican heritage and they don't like stinking illegals undocumented squatters!
2012-08-25 01:08:51 PM
1 votes:

MoronLessOff: fragMasterFlash: MoronLessOff: I'd like to see this as well. A good, solid, no bs argument as to why marijuana is illegal. Why is it less acceptable than alcohol.

Its harder to tax than alcohol. All praise and glory to the mighty tax dollar!

Is it? It seems pretty easy to tax tobacco. Although, I'm sure plenty of people would grow their own. Then again, home brew beer and wine is a popular hobby. I still don't see the difference.


I would venture this guess: there is already a huge infrastructure for marijuana. If it was legal, all they would have to do is come out of the shadows. The cigarette industry, because it was never illegal, was always a taxable industry.

I guess though, that this doesn't make sense, because it would have to be sold through businesses, which would have to accept regulation.

I'm sorry I wrote any of that.
2012-08-25 01:06:46 PM
1 votes:
Arizona does this every time marijuana decriminalization and other changes are voted in by initiative.

Arizona government is corrupt as it can be--Barry Goldwater, John McCain both have direct ties to the Mafia. The reason why marijuana will never be legal in Arizona is because the rich few make a lot of money on the illegal trade of drugs, illegal aliens and other criminal activity.
2012-08-25 01:05:59 PM
1 votes:

Blue_Blazer: Which federal law are they flouting?
They were trying to ENFORCE the federal laws about immigration.

Please point out where "papers please" and racial profiling are in federal law


Oh look a strawman of racial profiling.

If you are suspected of a federal crime, you do know that the feds will ask you for ID, right?

Or did you not know that?
2012-08-25 12:28:52 PM
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: StoPPeRmobile: HotIgneous Intruder: Blue_Blazer: HotIgneous Intruder: Growing and smoking the weed is a federal crime.
Get over it or change the laws, idiots.

You always find a way to sound like the most smug, hostile bastard. At least the conservatrolls are funny.

That's because nothing about this national schizophrenia is funny.
It's sad and pathetic and frightening.
YMMV.



Do you know how I know that pot increases paranoia and is linked to the early onset of schizophrenia?


The voices on your head told you so? :D
2012-08-25 12:16:24 PM
1 votes:
So... when Arizona changes its illegal immigration policy against the wish of the feds, farkers complain.

After Arizona learns its lesson and changes its marijuana to follow fed policy, farkers still complain.

Methinks that issue here isn't Arizona's relationship with the Washington, it's about how its selective enforcement of federal law in the state does not follow your average farker's personal preferences. Federal law cuts both ways for your FREEDUMBs, idiots, deal with it.
2012-08-25 12:01:12 PM
1 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: jso2897: Nobody really appreciates how much this country is going to change when the boomers die.

It's going to improve in such major and important ways that nobody alive now will recognize it.


There are people who know that in 30 years from now when we have 30-40 trillion in debt and a population of entitled and spoiled workers, that it is going to be a huge problem.
That is why people are against the debt and more about personal responsibility.
Join the Tea Party. Learn more.
2012-08-25 11:59:37 AM
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: I just don't see how the FDA would approve a substance that is shown to have paranoia as a side effect.




Side effects
2012-08-25 11:58:11 AM
1 votes:

jso2897: Nobody really appreciates how much this country is going to change when the boomers die.


It's going to improve in such major and important ways that nobody alive now will recognize it.
2012-08-25 11:58:08 AM
1 votes:

mc_hfcs: Kind of like Arizona legislature only pays attention to the laws it likes while ignoring the laws it doesn't like.


Which laws are Arizona ignoring?
2012-08-25 11:54:14 AM
1 votes:
End result of rightwing garbage in AZ: The young and educated will leave, more illegals will come, and the old pensioners who elect the Brewers and Arpaios will die. The browns will take over again, and it will go back to normal.
Nobody really appreciates how much this country is going to change when the boomers die.
2012-08-25 11:53:47 AM
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AsprinBurn: They are.

They are following federal law. Rugged individuals do follow the law.

Why are you confused?

Hey, try to pay attention, will you? They "follow" federal law when it suits their purpose. They flout federal law when it opposes their purpose. Still with us?

That's not rugged. That's a farkhole.


Which federal law are they flouting?
They were trying to ENFORCE the federal laws about immigration.
2012-08-25 11:49:23 AM
1 votes:

AsprinBurn: They are.

They are following federal law. Rugged individuals do follow the law.

Why are you confused?

Hey, try to pay attention, will you? They "follow" federal law when it suits their purpose. They flout federal law when it opposes their purpose. Still with us?

That's not rugged. That's a farkhole.


Because following the law is for saps and losers, right?
It's hilarious how dope smokers think they're getting over every time they draw off a joint. It must give them a sense of being clever and smarter than society at large. Reminds me of the non-conformist hipsters who, as a group, conform to each other. A sort of Catch-22 for the fuzzy brained.
2012-08-25 11:46:27 AM
1 votes:

BolloxReader:
I've never smoked pot, nor do I have any desire to do so, but the whole thing is stupid. The worst thing that I can think of is that people shouldn't be under the influence while operating heavy machinery. We already have rules for that, DUIs can be (and are) handed out for driving while high.


The one thing I can think of is the DUI aspect as well. Because it's illegal, suspicion of being high is all the cops need. If it became legal, they need something concrete. I have not heard of a immediate test (like a breathalyzer test for alcohol) on the amount of THC in your body. I also feel that it is still illegal because there is no company that would be able to make an immediate and ridiculous profit on it.
2012-08-25 11:26:22 AM
1 votes:
Hotigneous Intruder -

Dude. Pick up the bong! And be happy happy happy all the way to your grave.
You are one depressing mofo

YMMV
2012-08-25 11:21:36 AM
1 votes:

EZ Writer: At what point can we give them back to Mexico? I'm even willing to throw in Texas to sweeten the deal...


Hell, the Texans would take over and everyone will much better off.
2012-08-25 11:19:55 AM
1 votes:

Happy Hours: Goddammit so much - state's rights - please take them away from us!

Fark that. Federal laws against marijuana are unconstitutional, Wickard v Filburn and Raich vs. whoever be damned.

It took a Constitutional Amendment to ban alcohol, why is this any different?

And BTW, I'm sure marijuana helps some medical conditions, but fark that, I should have the right to get high if I want to for purely recreational reasons.


Old people. and they vote.
We need to be patient while those senile old coots that think pot is "da debil" die off.
2012-08-25 11:19:46 AM
1 votes:

sigdiamond2000: I'm confused. I thought Arizona was a small government paradise full of rugged individualists.


They are.

They are following federal law. Rugged individuals do follow the law.

Why are you confused?
2012-08-25 11:19:46 AM
1 votes:

fragMasterFlash: MoronLessOff: I'd like to see this as well. A good, solid, no bs argument as to why marijuana is illegal. Why is it less acceptable than alcohol.

Its harder to tax than alcohol. All praise and glory to the mighty tax dollar!


Is it? It seems pretty easy to tax tobacco. Although, I'm sure plenty of people would grow their own. Then again, home brew beer and wine is a popular hobby. I still don't see the difference.
2012-08-25 11:15:20 AM
1 votes:

MoronLessOff: I'd like to see this as well. A good, solid, no bs argument as to why marijuana is illegal. Why is it less acceptable than alcohol.


Its harder to tax than alcohol. All praise and glory to the mighty tax dollar!
2012-08-25 11:15:00 AM
1 votes:

Hobodeluxe: if Obama really wanted a game changer he should announce that he would move to get the federal controlled substance act amended to allow for medical mj. It might not pick him up a lot of new allies but it would sure energize a lot of his base.


what do you mean? you think 0bama would actually do something?
he still hasn't done anything about gay marriage express his personal viewpoint.
2012-08-25 11:08:51 AM
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NutWrench: I assume they're going to argue that the "Interstate Commerce" clause in the Constitution is what gives the Feds the right to strike down the local law.
So in what way does pot grown in Arizona, sold in Arizona and consumed in Arizona constitute "Interstate Commerce?"


I've heard it before.... it has to do with the fact that you are not consuming pot from another state, and it interfers with that growers illegal crop. If I wasn't on my phone I'd search for it, but it was either mpp or normal that published an article on it. I think it was a grower in KY that they used it on.
2012-08-25 11:08:34 AM
1 votes:

MoronLessOff: I'd like to see this as well. A good, solid, no bs argument as to why marijuana is illegal. Why is it less acceptable than alcohol.


This
2012-08-25 11:01:03 AM
1 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: Growing and smoking the weed is a federal crime.
Get over it or change the laws, idiots.


Yeah, they are trying to make it legal at the state level. I realize federal laws trump state ones, sure, but can you give me a reason marijuana is illegal?

Bonus points for not using the phrase "dangerous drugs". Because it isn't.

/don't smoke
//don't get why it is illegal
2012-08-25 11:00:43 AM
1 votes:

violentsalvation: Brewer tried this route and failed. Scream states' rights for some shiat and then come crawling back to the feds when the will of the people conflicts with your authoritarian worldview. These asswipes don't belong in government.


QFT
2012-08-25 10:57:02 AM
1 votes:
I assume they're going to argue that the "Interstate Commerce" clause in the Constitution is what gives the Feds the right to strike down the local law.
So in what way does pot grown in Arizona, sold in Arizona and consumed in Arizona constitute "Interstate Commerce?"
2012-08-25 10:56:34 AM
1 votes:
So when it comes to immigration law its "FU federal government!" but when it comes to regulating an herb its "Hurrah federal government!". Fark you and your shiatty Cardinals, AZ.
2012-08-25 10:56:13 AM
1 votes:
2012-08-25 10:52:32 AM
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yeomanfarmer: violentsalvation: Brewer tried this route and failed. Scream states' rights for some shiat and then come crawling back to the feds when the will of the people conflicts with your authoritarian worldview. These asswipes don't belong in government.

Yet we vote them in. Sad.


Vote for them? At least 30% consider arpaio and brewer national heroes.
2012-08-25 10:50:31 AM
1 votes:
Growing and smoking the weed is a federal crime.
Get over it or change the laws, idiots.
2012-08-25 09:14:24 AM
1 votes:
So Arizona is concerned this law conflicts with federal law.

They don't seem troubled by this when it comes to federal immigration law.
2012-08-25 09:03:02 AM
1 votes:

Texian: Hobodeluxe: if Obama really wanted a game changer he should announce that he would move to get the federal controlled substance act amended to allow for medical mj. It might not pick him up a lot of new allies but it would sure energize a lot of his base.

This is going to sound bad, but he can't do a damned thing this term about drug law reform because he's back. It wou just add fuel to the Conservative fear of "The Other".


nah he could team up with Ron Paul and a few other white libertarian types.
2012-08-25 02:44:41 AM
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RoyBatty: violentsalvation: Brewer tried this route and failed. Scream states' rights for some shiat and then come crawling back to the feds when the will of the people conflicts with your authoritarian worldview. These asswipes don't belong in government.

This was Brewer's route and still is:

Link

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She is only going ahead with issuing permits because a court ordered her to.

[i.imgur.com image 628x172]

If there was audio associated with that article it would be the sound of an evil cackle.


So more of the same from her, she is still right behind it.
2012-08-25 02:04:54 AM
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violentsalvation: Brewer tried this route and failed. Scream states' rights for some shiat and then come crawling back to the feds when the will of the people conflicts with your authoritarian worldview. These asswipes don't belong in government.


Yet we vote them in. Sad.
 
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