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2012-08-25 06:35:45 PM

OnlyMeanWitchesAreUgly: MoronLessOff: fragMasterFlash: MoronLessOff: I'd like to see this as well. A good, solid, no bs argument as to why marijuana is illegal. Why is it less acceptable than alcohol.

Its harder to tax than alcohol. All praise and glory to the mighty tax dollar!

Is it? It seems pretty easy to tax tobacco. Although, I'm sure plenty of people would grow their own. Then again, home brew beer and wine is a popular hobby. I still don't see the difference.

Home brew beer and wine are considered inferior products compared to the stuff you can purchase. You can easily grow a quality product at home when it comes to marijuana.


Someone-who-has-never-grown-cannabis-like-typing detected.
 
2012-08-25 06:48:45 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: sigdiamond2000: I'm confused. I thought Arizona was a small government paradise full of rugged individualists.

They are.

They are following federal law. Rugged individuals do follow the law.

Why are you confused?


Because 'rugged individuals' usually translates to 'I don't follow any law I don't want to because Sovereign Citizen, nyah nyah nyah'.

Whiners, in other words.
 
2012-08-25 07:19:07 PM
Ironic that the people who are against marijuana are the same ones who use it in secret. Nobody has to know, not even us!
 
2012-08-25 07:46:00 PM
Here is something to think about. I wonder how many fewer drunk driving related deaths there will be at the point it is ever legal. The number of people that would rather do something like smoke or try an edible vs getting drunk. Places with Medical MJ may have less, but when it is not illegal, then you will see just how many trade one feeling of inebriation for another.
 
2012-08-25 08:50:40 PM

BigTexas: Here is something to think about. I wonder how many fewer drunk driving related deaths there will be at the point it is ever legal. The number of people that would rather do something like smoke or try an edible vs getting drunk. Places with Medical MJ may have less, but when it is not illegal, then you will see just how many trade one feeling of inebriation for another.


Are you saying that being drunk is vastly more debilitating than being stoned?!?! HOEW COULD YOU SAY THEIS!?

Oh wait, it's true.
 
2012-08-25 09:11:27 PM

reimondx1: Ironic that the people who are against marijuana are the same ones who use it in secret. Nobody has to know, not even us!


That's pretty much every lawmaker and politician.
 
2012-08-25 09:51:54 PM
I've noticed pot in the long run tends to turn people into tea party activists. Honestly, I'm smoked the shiat. It largely contributed to making me unstable and paranoid. Definitely paranoid. And too anxious. I'm glad I'm off of it. I don't care for alcohol either. I wish I could break tobacco. If I could make these three drugs vanish from the face of the earth I would. Until then I've got no clue as to what to do about them. I know capitalizing them is a really bad idea though. I kind of agree with how obama is handling everything on drugs. The big problem with medicinal pot is it's being prescribed for complete BS, like the symptoms of withdrawl.
 
2012-08-25 10:10:39 PM

ChasingPi: I've noticed pot in the long run tends to turn people into tea party activists. Honestly, I'm smoked the shiat. It largely contributed to making me unstable and paranoid. Definitely paranoid. And too anxious. I'm glad I'm off of it. I don't care for alcohol either. I wish I could break tobacco. If I could make these three drugs vanish from the face of the earth I would. Until then I've got no clue as to what to do about them. I know capitalizing them is a really bad idea though. I kind of agree with how obama is handling everything on drugs. The big problem with medicinal pot is it's being prescribed for complete BS, like the symptoms of withdrawl.


And some things react differently with different people. Alcohol can be ok with some people, and others will be violent. Tobacco I find no usefulness with. Marijuana does good for some, not for everyone. Many with PTSD from the wars they were involved in find it beneficial. My mother who had cancer would have found it helpful during the treatment she underwent. Part of the paranoia in some is the fact that it is illegal. I think it is up to the individual to see what is best for them. I do believe it is less harmful than most and since it doesn't have the physical withdrawal that people experience with other drugs I think it is one of the better alternatives.
 
2012-08-25 10:58:38 PM

Serious Black: Hobodeluxe: if Obama really wanted a game changer he should announce that he would move to get the federal controlled substance act amended to allow for medical mj. It might not pick him up a lot of new allies but it would sure energize a lot of his base.

He doesn't have to do that. The CSA gives him pretty wide latitude on how to classify various drugs. All he really needs to do is issue an executive order stating that marijuana has recognized medical properties, so he can classify it as Schedule II.


No I'm pretty sure congress has to do that.
 
2012-08-25 10:59:20 PM

reimondx1: Ironic that the people who are against marijuana are the same ones who use it in secret. Nobody has to know, not even us!


they're the dealers who make a living selling it
 
2012-08-25 11:25:01 PM

Texian: Hobodeluxe: if Obama really wanted a game changer he should announce that he would move to get the federal controlled substance act amended to allow for medical mj. It might not pick him up a lot of new allies but it would sure energize a lot of his base.

This is going to sound bad, but he can't do a damned thing this term about drug law reform because he's back. It wou just add fuel to the Conservative fear of "The Other".


Really, you believe that Obama is trying to appeal to racist conservatives? That actually makes sense to you?

Well, I guess you can't let basic logic get in the way of crying racism. You're a true civil rights hero.
 
2012-08-25 11:45:14 PM

Hobodeluxe: Serious Black: Hobodeluxe: if Obama really wanted a game changer he should announce that he would move to get the federal controlled substance act amended to allow for medical mj. It might not pick him up a lot of new allies but it would sure energize a lot of his base.

He doesn't have to do that. The CSA gives him pretty wide latitude on how to classify various drugs. All he really needs to do is issue an executive order stating that marijuana has recognized medical properties, so he can classify it as Schedule II.

No I'm pretty sure congress has to do that.


Negative. Read the Controlled Substance Act. Here's a handy link. Section 811 gives the authority for rescheduling controlled substances to the Attorney General. No act of Congress is needed.
 
2012-08-26 12:46:01 AM
Tom Horne, Arizona's Joseph McCarthy.
 
2012-08-26 01:41:27 AM
Next we'll be medicalizing breakfast cereal.

Just decriminalize, and enjoy in moderation, and everything will be just fine.

Sheesh.
 
2012-08-26 09:57:58 AM

Novart: Texian: Hobodeluxe: if Obama really wanted a game changer he should announce that he would move to get the federal controlled substance act amended to allow for medical mj. It might not pick him up a lot of new allies but it would sure energize a lot of his base.

This is going to sound bad, but he can't do a damned thing this term about drug law reform because he's back. It wou just add fuel to the Conservative fear of "The Other".

Really, you believe that Obama is trying to appeal to racist conservatives? That actually makes sense to you?

Well, I guess you can't let basic logic get in the way of crying racism. You're a true civil rights hero.


The recent Treyvon, Chick-Fil-A, and Missouri Legit Rape kerfluffels have proven that there is still at least 35-45% of the population who love supporting bigotry and hatred, and they love spending millions of dollars on convincing the 10% that always seem to be "undecided" how scary it is to be under the rule of a black socialist president. Eventually, there will come a point that these racist, paranod generations pass away and we can finally move into the 21st Century, but that day isn't here yet. I just hope it hapens before they manage to brainwash too many of the next generation with zero-tolerance, abstinence only, creationism, homeschooling, and Randian BS.
 
2012-08-26 11:44:04 AM

Great Porn Dragon: jso2897: tenpoundsofcheese: StoPPeRmobile: HotIgneous Intruder: Blue_Blazer: HotIgneous Intruder: Growing and smoking the weed is a federal crime.
Get over it or change the laws, idiots.

You always find a way to sound like the most smug, hostile bastard. At least the conservatrolls are funny.

That's because nothing about this national schizophrenia is funny.
It's sad and pathetic and frightening.
YMMV.



Do you know how I know that pot increases paranoia and is linked to the early onset of schizophrenia?

The voices on your head told you so? :D

And yet it's also one of the more effective agents out there to treat PTSD, believe it or not (it dampens down the fight-flight response).

Then again, since I live in the state that will probably be the LAST state to ever legalise it even though it has historically been the top producer, I probably shouldn't worry too much...

/yes, KY once had laws so strict it banned hemp rope as marijuana possession
//we also have historically had the highest percentage of counties per capita that are full-on dry where possession of alcohol is as illegal as pot, thanks to the Southern Baptist and pentecostal lobbies in the state; this only really changed starting last year thanks to towns desperately seeking a source of revenue and realising major restaurant chains were refusing to set up shop there (now Arkansas has the largest number of dry counties per capita, for almost identical reasons as KY)
///even though a guy in the KY legislature has proposed allowing medical marijuana, I'm not real hopeful for medical legalisation or even decriminalisation


My big question is is hemp rope really that important anymore when we have synthetic rope now?
 
2012-08-26 01:14:45 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: OnlyMeanWitchesAreUgly: MoronLessOff: fragMasterFlash: MoronLessOff: I'd like to see this as well. A good, solid, no bs argument as to why marijuana is illegal. Why is it less acceptable than alcohol.

Its harder to tax than alcohol. All praise and glory to the mighty tax dollar!

Is it? It seems pretty easy to tax tobacco. Although, I'm sure plenty of people would grow their own. Then again, home brew beer and wine is a popular hobby. I still don't see the difference.

Home brew beer and wine are considered inferior products compared to the stuff you can purchase. You can easily grow a quality product at home when it comes to marijuana.

Someone-who-has-never-grown-cannabis-like-typing detected.


*hehehe* Aww sweetie, I guess I should have taken into consideration that it would not be easy for everyone, I apologize for that. ;)
 
2012-08-26 01:48:14 PM

OnlyMeanWitchesAreUgly: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: OnlyMeanWitchesAreUgly: MoronLessOff: fragMasterFlash: MoronLessOff: I'd like to see this as well. A good, solid, no bs argument as to why marijuana is illegal. Why is it less acceptable than alcohol.

Its harder to tax than alcohol. All praise and glory to the mighty tax dollar!

Is it? It seems pretty easy to tax tobacco. Although, I'm sure plenty of people would grow their own. Then again, home brew beer and wine is a popular hobby. I still don't see the difference.

Home brew beer and wine are considered inferior products compared to the stuff you can purchase. You can easily grow a quality product at home when it comes to marijuana.

Someone-who-has-never-grown-cannabis-like-typing detected.

*hehehe* Aww sweetie, I guess I should have taken into consideration that it would not be easy for everyone, I apologize for that. ;)


No, you should have considered actually trying to grow some, which you obviously never have, or you wouldn't have said it was easy to grow a quality product, which is completely ignorant and wrong.
 
2012-08-26 02:26:34 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: OnlyMeanWitchesAreUgly: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: OnlyMeanWitchesAreUgly: MoronLessOff: fragMasterFlash: MoronLessOff: I'd like to see this as well. A good, solid, no bs argument as to why marijuana is illegal. Why is it less acceptable than alcohol.

Its harder to tax than alcohol. All praise and glory to the mighty tax dollar!

Is it? It seems pretty easy to tax tobacco. Although, I'm sure plenty of people would grow their own. Then again, home brew beer and wine is a popular hobby. I still don't see the difference.

Home brew beer and wine are considered inferior products compared to the stuff you can purchase. You can easily grow a quality product at home when it comes to marijuana.

Someone-who-has-never-grown-cannabis-like-typing detected.

*hehehe* Aww sweetie, I guess I should have taken into consideration that it would not be easy for everyone, I apologize for that. ;)

No, you should have considered actually trying to grow some, which you obviously never have, or you wouldn't have said it was easy to grow a quality product, which is completely ignorant and wrong.


Are you trying to be funny, or is this a part of your marketing campaign? Either way, best wishes to you. :)
 
2012-08-26 02:41:55 PM

OnlyMeanWitchesAreUgly: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: OnlyMeanWitchesAreUgly: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: OnlyMeanWitchesAreUgly: MoronLessOff: fragMasterFlash: MoronLessOff: I'd like to see this as well. A good, solid, no bs argument as to why marijuana is illegal. Why is it less acceptable than alcohol.

Its harder to tax than alcohol. All praise and glory to the mighty tax dollar!

Is it? It seems pretty easy to tax tobacco. Although, I'm sure plenty of people would grow their own. Then again, home brew beer and wine is a popular hobby. I still don't see the difference.

Home brew beer and wine are considered inferior products compared to the stuff you can purchase. You can easily grow a quality product at home when it comes to marijuana.

Someone-who-has-never-grown-cannabis-like-typing detected.

*hehehe* Aww sweetie, I guess I should have taken into consideration that it would not be easy for everyone, I apologize for that. ;)

No, you should have considered actually trying to grow some, which you obviously never have, or you wouldn't have said it was easy to grow a quality product, which is completely ignorant and wrong.

Are you trying to be funny, or is this a part of your marketing campaign? Either way, best wishes to you. :)


No, I am saying I think you should try growing cannabis*. Everyone should do it at least once*. :)

/* only in places where it is legal to do so. I would never exhort any illegal acts here on Fark.com, what with all the nice modmins and such.
 
2012-08-26 04:55:31 PM
Arizona voters have passed this law 3 TIMES.......this is the first time it's gotten close to implementation.

"Will of the people" be damned......Brewer says smoking pot is WRONG and THAT'S the way it's going to be!
 
2012-08-26 05:04:59 PM
In the last 20 years, at least 17 states and the District of Columbia have passed medical marijuana laws and 6 more states are considering passing laws.

Can they ALL be wrong ?
 
2012-08-26 11:55:58 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Growing and smoking the weed is a federal crime.
Get over it or change the laws, idiots.


Schedule I substances are those that have the following findings:
The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision

Schedule II substances are those that have the following findings:
The drug or other substances have a high potential for abuse
The drug or other substances have currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States, or currently accepted medical use with severe restrictions
Abuse of the drug or other substances may lead to severe psychological or physical dependence.


Cocaine is a Schedule II drug. Marijuana is a Schedule I drug.

There's actually no need for a new law. The FDA and DEA can add or remove substances from the various schedules. Of course, the DEA tends to not ever want to remove anything unless it's to add it to a higher-tier schedule - even if the law says that they're bound to follow court orders or recommendations from other departments.

So, basically, everyone in charge of the DEA has been in violation of drug enforcement laws since there was a DEA and it doesn't matter because someone else in the administration has to refer them to prosecution.

I've never done drugs in my life and don't want to, but I still think the Drug Wars are all farked up. Your "get over it...idiots" is about the stupidest thing I've seen someone say about it, even the people who were all farked up on drugs.
 
2012-08-26 11:57:28 PM

kendejo42: In the last 20 years, at least 17 states and the District of Columbia have passed medical marijuana laws and 6 more states are considering passing laws.

Can they ALL be wrong ?


Stupidity seems to be contagious, so yes, they *can* be wrong .. but in this case, they're not. Cocaine is a lower-severity drug than marijuana, it's stupid.
 
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