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2012-08-25 11:30:26 AM

Texian: Maricopa County jagg-offs pick this subject to agree with the Feds on?

Well color me surprised.


violentsalvation: Brewer tried this route and failed. Scream states' rights for some shiat and then come crawling back to the feds when the will of the people conflicts with your authoritarian worldview. These asswipes don't belong in government.


Basically came here to say this and this.
 
2012-08-25 11:30:39 AM

TimonC346: HotIgneous Intruder: Growing and smoking the weed is a federal crime.
Get over it or change the laws, idiots.

Yeah, they are trying to make it legal at the state level. I realize federal laws trump state ones, sure, but can you give me a reason marijuana is illegal?

Bonus points for not using the phrase "dangerous drugs". Because it isn't.

/don't smoke
//don't get why it is illegal


it is illegal because of the Temperence movement. Pot is one of the very few drugs actually banned specifically by Congress. Between DuPont wanting to corner the rope market and its high useage among Hispanics (a big threat according to many people at the time) it was an easy sell to Congress. The AMA testified against a ban as did a couple others. IIRC the only one who testified in favor of the ban was a "researcher" who injected something into the brains of a hundred dogs, four of which died. This was years before THC was isolated so who knows what he actually injected into their brains.

Anyway, Congress was trying to ban everything chemical back then so they scolded the folks testifying against the ban for wasting the committee's time, and the whole thing passed Congress pretty much without debate. The DuPont influence meant that hemp plants were banned in their entirety because of a zero tolerance clause. Their artificial ropes became the only game in town.

Because it was Congress and not the FDA that prohibited marijuana, it will take Congressional action to permit it. And that will never happen. It's too damned useful for law enforcement to get people they don't like off the streets.

I've never smoked pot, nor do I have any desire to do so, but the whole thing is stupid. The worst thing that I can think of is that people shouldn't be under the influence while operating heavy machinery. We already have rules for that, DUIs can be (and are) handed out for driving while high.
 
2012-08-25 11:30:57 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: sigdiamond2000: I'm confused. I thought Arizona was a small government paradise full of rugged individualists.

They are.

They are following federal law. Rugged individuals do follow the law.

Why are you confused?


You sound like a giant pussy.
 
2012-08-25 11:31:55 AM

original_sinner: Hotigneous Intruder -

Dude. Pick up the bong! And be happy happy happy all the way to your grave.
You are one depressing mofo

YMMV


Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
Don't do it.
 
2012-08-25 11:34:39 AM

edmo: So Arizona is concerned this law conflicts with federal law.

They don't seem troubled by this when it comes to federal immigration law.


That's a bad example, since federal immigration laws are not being enforced in AZ.
 
2012-08-25 11:34:54 AM

spacelord321: HotIgneous Intruder: Growing and smoking the weed is a federal crime.
Get over it or change the laws, idiots.

Will those laws change completely on their own? No public discourse is necessary, hhmmm?

/we ain't solvin the world, we be farkin
//why you here?


Grow up.
Change the laws if you don't like them.
That is all.
 
2012-08-25 11:35:46 AM
Arizona is trying really hard to earn "Bunghole of USA" status ain't it? Between the Brewster and her minions plus Sherrif Birfer.....Too bad too because parts of the state are pretty scenic. Not Phoenix of course, but other remoter locations.

And yes, our President could do us all a big favor, but I've been disappointed for 40 years, I'm not expecting anything to change on the federal level in 2012.
 
2012-08-25 11:39:24 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.


upload.wikimedia.org

/agrees
 
2012-08-25 11:40:15 AM

Hobodeluxe: if Obama really wanted a game changer he should announce that he would move to get the federal controlled substance act amended to allow for medical mj. It might not pick him up a lot of new allies but it would sure energize a lot of his base.


He won't do that because it will lose him the Latino vote...yes the Latino vote.

California put on the ballot 2 years ago to make pot fully legal but taxable and even my very right wing grand parents voted yes on it, it did not pass. Why? Well lets start with the LA Times who got huge amounts of money from La Raza who many believe get large amounts of money from the drug cartel. The LA Times ran front page stories every day how it is a lie that the drug cartel make 90% of their drug money off of pot and how this law would not stop the violence. They ran stories on how this would cost the state more money in crime than the taxes it would generate, etc. My grandparents were like oh maybe it is a bad thing to vote for it, I had to explain this was a lie but the cartel fueled campaign worked and it did not pass.

I am still mad as this would have been a good step in the right direction....
 
2012-08-25 11:40:16 AM

violentsalvation: Brewer tried this route and failed. Scream states' rights for some shiat and then come crawling back to the feds when the will of the people conflicts with your authoritarian worldview. These asswipes don't belong in government.


This.
 
2012-08-25 11:41:32 AM
They are.

They are following federal law. Rugged individuals do follow the law.

Why are you confused?


Hey, try to pay attention, will you? They "follow" federal law when it suits their purpose. They flout federal law when it opposes their purpose. Still with us?

That's not rugged. That's a farkhole.
 
2012-08-25 11:42:39 AM
Oh, so *now* the supremacy clause matters.
 
2012-08-25 11:45:09 AM
But, but ... state's rights!
 
2012-08-25 11:46:27 AM

BolloxReader:
I've never smoked pot, nor do I have any desire to do so, but the whole thing is stupid. The worst thing that I can think of is that people shouldn't be under the influence while operating heavy machinery. We already have rules for that, DUIs can be (and are) handed out for driving while high.


The one thing I can think of is the DUI aspect as well. Because it's illegal, suspicion of being high is all the cops need. If it became legal, they need something concrete. I have not heard of a immediate test (like a breathalyzer test for alcohol) on the amount of THC in your body. I also feel that it is still illegal because there is no company that would be able to make an immediate and ridiculous profit on it.
 
2012-08-25 11:48:34 AM

Schroedinger's Glory Hole: tenpoundsofcheese: sigdiamond2000: I'm confused. I thought Arizona was a small government paradise full of rugged individualists.

They are.

They are following federal law. Rugged individuals do follow the law.

Why are you confused?

You sound like a giant pussy.


I am sorry to hear that you know what that sounds like

Did you find your keys yet?
 
2012-08-25 11:49:23 AM

AsprinBurn: They are.

They are following federal law. Rugged individuals do follow the law.

Why are you confused?

Hey, try to pay attention, will you? They "follow" federal law when it suits their purpose. They flout federal law when it opposes their purpose. Still with us?

That's not rugged. That's a farkhole.


Because following the law is for saps and losers, right?
It's hilarious how dope smokers think they're getting over every time they draw off a joint. It must give them a sense of being clever and smarter than society at large. Reminds me of the non-conformist hipsters who, as a group, conform to each other. A sort of Catch-22 for the fuzzy brained.
 
2012-08-25 11:50:18 AM

KimNorth: Hobodeluxe: if Obama really wanted a game changer he should announce that he would move to get the federal controlled substance act amended to allow for medical mj. It might not pick him up a lot of new allies but it would sure energize a lot of his base.

He won't do that because it will lose him the Latino vote...yes the Latino vote.

California put on the ballot 2 years ago to make pot fully legal but taxable and even my very right wing grand parents voted yes on it, it did not pass. Why? Well lets start with the LA Times who got huge amounts of money from La Raza who many believe get large amounts of money from the drug cartel. The LA Times ran front page stories every day how it is a lie that the drug cartel make 90% of their drug money off of pot and how this law would not stop the violence. They ran stories on how this would cost the state more money in crime than the taxes it would generate, etc. My grandparents were like oh maybe it is a bad thing to vote for it, I had to explain this was a lie but the cartel fueled campaign worked and it did not pass.

I am still mad as this would have been a good step in the right direction....


Do you know how I know that pot makes people paranoid?
 
2012-08-25 11:50:41 AM

AsprinBurn: They are.

They are following federal law. Rugged individuals do follow the law.

Why are you confused?

Hey, try to pay attention, will you? They "follow" federal law when it suits their purpose. They flout federal law when it opposes their purpose. Still with us?

That's not rugged. That's a farkhole.


Actually, that's a republican.
 
2012-08-25 11:53:47 AM

AsprinBurn: They are.

They are following federal law. Rugged individuals do follow the law.

Why are you confused?

Hey, try to pay attention, will you? They "follow" federal law when it suits their purpose. They flout federal law when it opposes their purpose. Still with us?

That's not rugged. That's a farkhole.


Which federal law are they flouting?
They were trying to ENFORCE the federal laws about immigration.
 
2012-08-25 11:54:14 AM
End result of rightwing garbage in AZ: The young and educated will leave, more illegals will come, and the old pensioners who elect the Brewers and Arpaios will die. The browns will take over again, and it will go back to normal.
Nobody really appreciates how much this country is going to change when the boomers die.
 
2012-08-25 11:54:34 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: KimNorth: Hobodeluxe: if Obama really wanted a game changer he should announce that he would move to get the federal controlled substance act amended to allow for medical mj. It might not pick him up a lot of new allies but it would sure energize a lot of his base.

He won't do that because it will lose him the Latino vote...yes the Latino vote.

California put on the ballot 2 years ago to make pot fully legal but taxable and even my very right wing grand parents voted yes on it, it did not pass. Why? Well lets start with the LA Times who got huge amounts of money from La Raza who many believe get large amounts of money from the drug cartel. The LA Times ran front page stories every day how it is a lie that the drug cartel make 90% of their drug money off of pot and how this law would not stop the violence. They ran stories on how this would cost the state more money in crime than the taxes it would generate, etc. My grandparents were like oh maybe it is a bad thing to vote for it, I had to explain this was a lie but the cartel fueled campaign worked and it did not pass.

I am still mad as this would have been a good step in the right direction....

Do you know how I know that pot makes people paranoid?


I don't smoke pot...NEVER WOULD! I am just pissed because everyone in California gets something free because they are "needy" and yet have the money to smoke dope....we are broke and I wanted that TAX MONEY!!!SHOW ME THE MONEY!
 
2012-08-25 11:56:27 AM

BolloxReader: I've never smoked pot, nor do I have any desire to do so, but the whole thing is stupid. The worst thing that I can think of is that people shouldn't be under the influence while operating heavy machinery. We already have rules for that, DUIs can be (and are) handed out for driving while high.


I just don't see how the FDA would approve a substance that is shown to have paranoia as a side effect.
 
2012-08-25 11:56:28 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: AsprinBurn: They are.

They are following federal law. Rugged individuals do follow the law.

Why are you confused?

Hey, try to pay attention, will you? They "follow" federal law when it suits their purpose. They flout federal law when it opposes their purpose. Still with us?

That's not rugged. That's a farkhole.

Because following the law is for saps and losers, right?
It's hilarious how dope smokers think they're getting over every time they draw off a joint. It must give them a sense of being clever and smarter than society at large. Reminds me of the non-conformist hipsters who, as a group, conform to each other. A sort of Catch-22 for the fuzzy brained.


You keep trying to make fun of him for being a pothead, but you're the one who apparently can't read. It's really weird, because you keep responding to only bits and pieces of the comments. Kind of like Arizona legislature only pays attention to the laws it likes while ignoring the laws it doesn't like. Which, if you could read, you'd see is the point Asprin Burn is trying to make.

Igneous? Ign'ant, more like. BURRRRNNNNN
 
2012-08-25 11:57:28 AM
 
2012-08-25 11:58:08 AM

mc_hfcs: Kind of like Arizona legislature only pays attention to the laws it likes while ignoring the laws it doesn't like.


Which laws are Arizona ignoring?
 
2012-08-25 11:58:11 AM

jso2897: Nobody really appreciates how much this country is going to change when the boomers die.


It's going to improve in such major and important ways that nobody alive now will recognize it.
 
2012-08-25 11:58:44 AM

jso2897: End result of rightwing garbage in AZ: The young and educated will leave, more illegals will come, and the old pensioners who elect the Brewers and Arpaios will die. The browns will take over again, and it will go back to normal.
Nobody really appreciates how much this country is going to change when the boomers die.


I know it will totally suck as we will be broke when there is no one left to pay taxes and pay for all these anchor babies!!
 
2012-08-25 11:59:21 AM
Did I just post that??!!! Runnnnn....
 
2012-08-25 11:59:37 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: I just don't see how the FDA would approve a substance that is shown to have paranoia as a side effect.




Side effects
 
2012-08-25 12:01:12 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: jso2897: Nobody really appreciates how much this country is going to change when the boomers die.

It's going to improve in such major and important ways that nobody alive now will recognize it.


There are people who know that in 30 years from now when we have 30-40 trillion in debt and a population of entitled and spoiled workers, that it is going to be a huge problem.
That is why people are against the debt and more about personal responsibility.
Join the Tea Party. Learn more.
 
2012-08-25 12:01:19 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com 

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vckgpkfe0Uc/ToDcXzpGyUI/AAAAAAAAAGU/ycSqkuR I fac/s400/1238561028087.jpg
 
2012-08-25 12:03:17 PM

moefuggenbrew: tenpoundsofcheese: I just don't see how the FDA would approve a substance that is shown to have paranoia as a side effect.



Side effects


Exactly. So why approve something that has no medicinal benefits (according to the FDA) and bad side effects?
 
2012-08-25 12:03:54 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: HotIgneous Intruder: jso2897: Nobody really appreciates how much this country is going to change when the boomers die.

It's going to improve in such major and important ways that nobody alive now will recognize it.

There are people who know that in 30 years from now when we have 30-40 trillion in debt and a population of entitled and spoiled workers, that it is going to be a huge problem.
That is why people are against the debt and more about personal responsibility.
Join the Tea Party. Learn moreLurk Moar.


Sorry. Pet peeve.
 
2012-08-25 12:08:00 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Blue_Blazer: HotIgneous Intruder: Growing and smoking the weed is a federal crime.
Get over it or change the laws, idiots.

You always find a way to sound like the most smug, hostile bastard. At least the conservatrolls are funny.

That's because nothing about this national schizophrenia is funny.
It's sad and pathetic and frightening.
YMMV.

/Laugh and laugh and laugh, all the way to the grave.


www.skeptic.com
 
2012-08-25 12:14:45 PM

Hobodeluxe: if Obama really wanted a game changer he should announce that he would move to get the federal controlled substance act amended to allow for medical mj. It might not pick him up a lot of new allies but it would sure energize a lot of his base.


You mean the Obama whose administration has done more to fight medical marijuana that the supposedly conservative administration that preceded his?
 
2012-08-25 12:15:53 PM

StoPPeRmobile: HotIgneous Intruder: Blue_Blazer: HotIgneous Intruder: Growing and smoking the weed is a federal crime.
Get over it or change the laws, idiots.

You always find a way to sound like the most smug, hostile bastard. At least the conservatrolls are funny.

That's because nothing about this national schizophrenia is funny.
It's sad and pathetic and frightening.
YMMV.



Do you know how I know that pot increases paranoia and is linked to the early onset of schizophrenia?
 
2012-08-25 12:16:24 PM
So... when Arizona changes its illegal immigration policy against the wish of the feds, farkers complain.

After Arizona learns its lesson and changes its marijuana to follow fed policy, farkers still complain.

Methinks that issue here isn't Arizona's relationship with the Washington, it's about how its selective enforcement of federal law in the state does not follow your average farker's personal preferences. Federal law cuts both ways for your FREEDUMBs, idiots, deal with it.
 
2012-08-25 12:18:19 PM

super_grass: So... when Arizona changes its illegal immigration policy against the wish of the feds, farkers complain.

.


No. What Arizona did is tried to ENFORCE the federal immigration policy.
 
2012-08-25 12:19:34 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: moefuggenbrew: tenpoundsofcheese: I just don't see how the FDA would approve a substance that is shown to have paranoia as a side effect.



Side effects

Exactly. So why approve something that has no medicinal benefits (according to the FDA) and bad side effects?


Why legalize for recreational purposes something that has no medicinal benefits and bad side effects?
 
2012-08-25 12:28:52 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: StoPPeRmobile: HotIgneous Intruder: Blue_Blazer: HotIgneous Intruder: Growing and smoking the weed is a federal crime.
Get over it or change the laws, idiots.

You always find a way to sound like the most smug, hostile bastard. At least the conservatrolls are funny.

That's because nothing about this national schizophrenia is funny.
It's sad and pathetic and frightening.
YMMV.



Do you know how I know that pot increases paranoia and is linked to the early onset of schizophrenia?


The voices on your head told you so? :D
 
2012-08-25 12:37:33 PM
Cut them loose, we can change the flag to 49 stars.

/While we are at it we could cull out a few more.
 
2012-08-25 12:43:23 PM

Serious Black: Why legalize for recreational purposes something that has no medicinal benefits and bad side effects?


Because fark off, that's why.
 
2012-08-25 12:44:29 PM

jso2897: tenpoundsofcheese: StoPPeRmobile: HotIgneous Intruder: Blue_Blazer: HotIgneous Intruder: Growing and smoking the weed is a federal crime.
Get over it or change the laws, idiots.

You always find a way to sound like the most smug, hostile bastard. At least the conservatrolls are funny.

That's because nothing about this national schizophrenia is funny.
It's sad and pathetic and frightening.
YMMV.



Do you know how I know that pot increases paranoia and is linked to the early onset of schizophrenia?

The voices on your head told you so? :D


And yet it's also one of the more effective agents out there to treat PTSD, believe it or not (it dampens down the fight-flight response).

Then again, since I live in the state that will probably be the LAST state to ever legalise it even though it has historically been the top producer, I probably shouldn't worry too much...

/yes, KY once had laws so strict it banned hemp rope as marijuana possession
//we also have historically had the highest percentage of counties per capita that are full-on dry where possession of alcohol is as illegal as pot, thanks to the Southern Baptist and pentecostal lobbies in the state; this only really changed starting last year thanks to towns desperately seeking a source of revenue and realising major restaurant chains were refusing to set up shop there (now Arkansas has the largest number of dry counties per capita, for almost identical reasons as KY)
///even though a guy in the KY legislature has proposed allowing medical marijuana, I'm not real hopeful for medical legalisation or even decriminalisation
 
2012-08-25 12:46:17 PM

Serious Black:

Why legalize for recreational purposes something that has no medicinal benefits and bad side effects?


We're talking about marijuana, not alcohol and tobacco.
 
2012-08-25 12:49:25 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Growing and smoking the weed is a federal crime.
Get over it or change the laws, idiots.



I'm over it - I just break the law like everyone else when I want to smoke.

Don't know if you noticed, but the war on drugs isn't exactly winning.
 
2012-08-25 12:49:58 PM

tenpoundsofcheese:
Do you know how I know that pot increases paranoia and is linked to the early onset of schizophrenia?


from wiki "The onset of symptoms typically occurs in young adulthood, with a global lifetime prevalence of about 0.3-0.7%."


so 12 yr olds shouldn't be smoking pot because they might definitely go skitzo? i hate to agree with such a well known troll, but i do agree with this
 
2012-08-25 01:00:03 PM

divgradcurl: tenpoundsofcheese:
Do you know how I know that pot increases paranoia and is linked to the early onset of schizophrenia?

from wiki "The onset of symptoms typically occurs in young adulthood, with a global lifetime prevalence of about 0.3-0.7%."




source
 
2012-08-25 01:02:06 PM

Great Porn Dragon: And yet it's also one of the more effective agents out there to treat PTSD, believe it or not (it dampens down the fight-flight response).


yeah, giving someone with PTSD something that increases a person's paranoia is a really good idea.

FDA disagrees with you.
 
2012-08-25 01:03:08 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: AsprinBurn: They are.

They are following federal law. Rugged individuals do follow the law.

Why are you confused?

Hey, try to pay attention, will you? They "follow" federal law when it suits their purpose. They flout federal law when it opposes their purpose. Still with us?

That's not rugged. That's a farkhole.

Which federal law are they flouting?
They were trying to ENFORCE the federal laws about immigration.


Please point out where "papers please" and racial profiling are in federal law
 
2012-08-25 01:05:02 PM

TimonC346: HotIgneous Intruder: Growing and smoking the weed is a federal crime.
Get over it or change the laws, idiots.

Yeah, they are trying to make it legal at the state level. I realize federal laws trump state ones, sure, but can you give me a reason marijuana is illegal?

Bonus points for not using the phrase "dangerous drugs". Because it isn't.

/don't smoke
//don't get why it is illegal


Big Pharma. They spend millions every year to keep it illegal. It is a potential drug that has way fewer side effects and quite possibly more effective than the drugs they manufacture. It can be easy and cost effective to grow. All you need is some seeds, dirt, water and sunshine.
 
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