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2012-08-25 12:43:31 AM
OK, that was cool. I'm not a Reds fan, but I've been living in Cincy for the past year, and it's been awesome to watch them. Chapman is crazy. Other than that little hiccup he had before the All-Star break, he's been a total freak of nature.

Can't wait for Votto to return... hopefully I'll make it the stadium a few more times before the season's up.
 
2012-08-25 12:52:27 AM
Two of them interesting.
 
2012-08-25 01:06:29 AM
What the f*ck am I reading?
 
2012-08-25 01:24:12 AM
In before, "LOL BASEBALL MOAR LYK SNUZBALL M I RITE? LMFAO".
 
2012-08-25 01:54:53 AM
I knew a lot of those from dark articles and Matt berry. That guy is surprisingly good at his job.
 
2012-08-25 02:02:42 AM
After the mega deal by the Dodgers tonight, their likely trip to the playoffs and the possibility the Angels don't make it at all I'm honestly curious what's in store for Anaheim this offseason. They clearly banked on Pujols making them the LA baseball franchise with his name recognition and his skill while he still has it, but the Dodgers have grabbed pretty much every baseball headline in the area and the Pujols signing--at least from my perspective--really seems to have fizzled in terms of generating the popularity I'm sure they hoped it would.
 
2012-08-25 02:08:09 AM
#26: You could make a team out of the players who scored as amazing on that list and completely excluding those who scored poorly and you'd be competing with the Mets for disappointment.
 
2012-08-25 02:15:52 AM
Oh, I knew #25 all too well. And it's not like Frenchy is blocking one of the better prospects in the game from coming up or anything. Oh wait...

/Go Royals.
//Fire David Glass.
 
2012-08-25 02:31:41 AM
FTFA: Nobody makes contact with balls ... quite like Ben Revere.

/Forgive my sudden purile humour seizure.
 
2012-08-25 03:05:23 AM

jaylectricity: What the f*ck am I reading?

 
2012-08-25 03:16:26 AM
Re #24, why is a high BABIP "luck" while a high BA is "skill"? This seems to imply that a batter has essentially no control over where a ball goes when it'shiat...which, if true, would make fielding shifts meaningless, if not counterproductive.
 
2012-08-25 03:28:06 AM
LOL BASEBALL MOAR LYK SNUZBALL M I RITE? LMFAO

/Go Padres
 
2012-08-25 03:59:43 AM
FTFA 1. This year alone, 98 players have popped out more than Joey Votto has his entire career.

Yeah, I've been to websites that show that kind of thing ...
 
2012-08-25 04:09:08 AM

jaylectricity: What the f*ck am I reading?


Statistical masturbation. Baseball's specialty.
 
2012-08-25 05:22:27 AM
I didn't know a web site could actually host an entire list of 25 things on a single page.
 
2012-08-25 05:27:54 AM
The Joey Votto stat amazed me. What's his secret?
 
2012-08-25 06:12:36 AM

common sense is an oxymoron: Re #24, why is a high BABIP "luck" while a high BA is "skill"? This seems to imply that a batter has essentially no control over where a ball goes when it'shiat...which, if true, would make fielding shifts meaningless, if not counterproductive.


BABIP is more used for pitchers, there's a debate as to its usefulness for hitters. There are several very good hitters who consistently outhit .300 for BABIP (Ichiro was one such player, Jackson is now), and in general very bad hitters will also have very bad BABIP numbers (see: Everett, Adam). With pitchers, you can look at BABIP and say "that should be closer to .300, so his numbers could reasonably be projected to get better/worse". You can look at Josh Tomlin in 2011 and say "that won't happen again", and lo, it doesn't and Josh Tomlin ends up being incredibly average in 2012. For hitters, the predictive power of BABIP is much, much lower.
 
2012-08-25 07:24:22 AM

HaywoodJablonski: The Joey Votto stat amazed me. What's his secret?


Usually their definition of pop up, they probably count most as fly ball outs when its close to pop ups.

That's being said its too early to read stats while being hung over from the producers concert.
 
2012-08-25 07:50:10 AM
25 stupid things that no baseball fan gives shiat about unless it happens to be about their buttboy fav. Seriously, who in their right might gives a crap about things like this.
 
2012-08-25 08:36:17 AM
Give me a story about an obscure rule, the Boston Beaneaters, or Eddie Gaedel. Not some crap about which corner infielder has picked his nose more than any other this season.
 
2012-08-25 09:14:26 AM
OMG! A groundball hitter doesn't hit a lot of pop ups! It must be aliens!

Here's a better story, the reason the Pine Tar rule was put in the books was an owner who was on the rules committee back in the day got tired of paying for new uniforms for his players because they got pine tar all over them. So he made rule saying pine tar couldn't be passed a certain spot on the bat.
 
2012-08-25 09:21:34 AM

common sense is an oxymoron: Re #24, why is a high BABIP "luck" while a high BA is "skill"? This seems to imply that a batter has essentially no control over where a ball goes when it'shiat...which, if true, would make fielding shifts meaningless, if not counterproductive.


You can figure out expected babip based on liners, fly balls, and ground balls. You can then look at the actual number to see if they were lucky
 
2012-08-25 09:50:21 AM

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Oh, I knew #25 all too well. And it's not like Frenchy is blocking one of the better prospects in the game from coming up or anything. Oh wait...

/Go Royals.
//Fire David Glass.


I would have guessed Justin Smoak was the worst in the game, what with his .188/.254/.322 line and his position way over at the lonely end of the defensive spectrum. He has about 80% of Francoeur's PAs and I think it would be close if Smoak hadn't had a AAA vacation. Smoak's advantage is that he's played somewhat above-replacement-level defense while Francoeur has been a butcher in right, and the positional adjustment isn't enough to make up the difference.
 
2012-08-25 09:58:18 AM

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Oh, I knew #25 all too well. And it's not like Frenchy is blocking one of the better prospects in the game from coming up or anything. Oh wait...

/Go Royals.
//Fire David Glass.


I think you have to adopt a bit of Stockholm syndrome/domestic abuse victim mentality to persist in being a Royals fan.

"It'll be different this season. We've got some good prospects coming up this year. Maybe this time we won't trade our young prospects for washed up, overpaid veterans. Maybe Glass will actually spend money this year."

/go Royals
//at least the stadium is nice
 
2012-08-25 09:59:16 AM
No, I pretty much knew all of that. But, hey, at least Passan took a break from making crazy accusations. It's a start.
 
2012-08-25 10:09:34 AM

common sense is an oxymoron: Re #24, why is a high BABIP "luck" while a high BA is "skill"? This seems to imply that a batter has essentially no control over where a ball goes when it'shiat...which, if true, would make fielding shifts meaningless, if not counterproductive.


There's a fine line between the two. There's a lot of skill involved in BABIP, but not as much in BA. Classifying either as "all skill" or "all luck" is very, very wrong.

The issue is this: there's not a ton of luck involved in the three true outcomes: walks, strikeouts, HRs. There is a little, yes, especially when you factor in things like "who the ump is" or "who the pitcher is." But for the most part, the three of them are skill. BA includes two of those; BABIP includes none of them.

The easiest way to look at it is this: every player has a "natural" BABIP (that's skill). That might be .240, it might be .350. Luck intervenes and moves it up or down. So BABIP is "natBABIP +/- luck", or, one part skill + one part luck.

BA, on the other hand, is "natBABIP - K + HR +/- luck", or, three parts skill + one part luck. Obviously, those weights are a bit off, but you get the idea.

If you can figure out a player's natBABIP (which can be hard to do, but we have a few tricks for estimating it, like LD% + 12), you can then figure out just how lucky he's been on BIP. Which is helpful.
 
2012-08-25 10:12:05 AM

DeWayne Mann: There's a lot of skill involved in BABIP, but not as much in BA.


Uh, this sentence is backwards. I just woke up. Sorry.
 
2012-08-25 10:54:58 AM

jaylectricity: What the f*ck am I reading?


25 things nobody gives a shiat about.
 
2012-08-25 11:16:59 AM
As far as stats heavy articles go, that was a pretty interesting one.

DeltaPunch: OK, that was cool. I'm not a Reds fan, but I've been living in Cincy for the past year, and it's been awesome to watch them. Chapman is crazy. Other than that little hiccup he had before the All-Star break, he's been a total freak of nature.

Can't wait for Votto to return... hopefully I'll make it the stadium a few more times before the season's up.


Am I the only one who laughs when the Cuban defector comes in and the play Rage Against The Machine?
 
2012-08-25 11:33:53 AM
One thing the writer didn't know about baseball: Billy Hamilton didn't break Otis Nixon's minor league steal record. He broke his brother Donell Nixon's record.
 
2012-08-25 11:50:28 AM
Answer: The goal here is to cut through the crap and cull numbers and facts that teach you more about the game. Sabermetricians do a wonderful job of that with high-level analytics and snazzy heat maps. This is different because it endeavors to deal in plain-and-simple facts presented accordingly.

Question: What is something a Yahoo writer says before not dealing in plain-and-simple facts presented accordingly?
 
2012-08-25 12:41:37 PM
The 1 thing I know about baseball: It's the sport of choice for stat nerds.
 
2012-08-25 12:43:15 PM
"25 really obscure pieces of 2012 statistical trivia you weren't being paid to pay attention to."
 
2012-08-25 01:33:56 PM
Passan sucks. Most of Yahoo's sportswriters suck. It's part of the reason they turned off the comments.

This should be "25 stat's you didn't know", it has nothing to do with the game of baseball itself.
 
2012-08-25 03:49:28 PM

lacydog: common sense is an oxymoron: Re #24, why is a high BABIP "luck" while a high BA is "skill"? This seems to imply that a batter has essentially no control over where a ball goes when it'shiat...which, if true, would make fielding shifts meaningless, if not counterproductive.

BABIP is more used for pitchers, there's a debate as to its usefulness for hitters. There are several very good hitters who consistently outhit .300 for BABIP (Ichiro was one such player, Jackson is now), and in general very bad hitters will also have very bad BABIP numbers (see: Everett, Adam). With pitchers, you can look at BABIP and say "that should be closer to .300, so his numbers could reasonably be projected to get better/worse". You can look at Josh Tomlin in 2011 and say "that won't happen again", and lo, it doesn't and Josh Tomlin ends up being incredibly average in 2012. For hitters, the predictive power of BABIP is much, much lower.


That makes sense. Thanks.
 
2012-08-25 04:23:24 PM
Whatever, the Rockies won when I went to the game. And it was a sweep of the Brewers. Also I saw that WFAN "video" with the Mets fan saying that the Rockies are shiat. Whatever, they swept the Mets also.
 
2012-08-25 10:02:18 PM

one small post for man: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Oh, I knew #25 all too well. And it's not like Frenchy is blocking one of the better prospects in the game from coming up or anything. Oh wait...

/Go Royals.
//Fire David Glass.

I think you have to adopt a bit of Stockholm syndrome/domestic abuse victim mentality to persist in being a Royals fan.

"It'll be different this season. We've got some good prospects coming up this year. Maybe this time we won't trade our young prospects for washed up, overpaid veterans. Maybe Glass will actually spend money this year."

/go Royals
//at least the stadium is nice


We Astros fans scoff at your so-called woes.

/also have a sweet ballpark
 
2012-08-26 01:21:42 AM
26. If these dooshbags didn't waste so much time farking around a game would last 34 minutes.

/scratchscratchscratch
 
2012-08-26 09:27:01 PM

KrispyKritter: 26. If these dooshbags didn't waste so much time farking around a game would last 34 minutes.


What's your hurry, ferchrissakes!?!
 
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