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(Extreme Tech)   Windows is checking for available updates. This is done by sending all your money to Microsoft   (extremetech.com) divider line 24
    More: Asinine, phones home, window, Microsoft, military technology, SSL  
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3491 clicks; posted to Geek » on 24 Aug 2012 at 5:53 PM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2012-08-24 05:57:01 PM  
I'd feel different about this if it were just a check, as opposed to full on logging. I don't like that. oh and if you could turn it off.
 
2012-08-24 06:04:19 PM  
Good thing I have no intention of installing or using windows 8 in any form.
 
2012-08-24 06:08:32 PM  
AV programs do this all the time as do FF. The only bad thing is I might not be getting much side business clearing up a bunch of crapware bogging down people's computers
 
2012-08-24 06:18:02 PM  
I like how the headline in no way resembles the contents of reality.
 
2012-08-24 06:25:10 PM  

potato_chip_eating_geek: I'd feel different about this if it were just a check, as opposed to full on logging. I don't like that. oh and if you could turn it off.


You can.

You know... I don't care if they collect info on which programs I install.
 
2012-08-24 06:25:35 PM  

potato_chip_eating_geek: I'd feel different about this if it were just a check, as opposed to full on logging. I don't like that. oh and if you could turn it off.


You can turn it off.
 
2012-08-24 06:32:11 PM  
The thing you want to turn off, if you want to turn it off, is called SmartScreen. You can turn it off when you install Windows. This is, by the by, Microsoft catching up with what the other app stores do.
 
2012-08-24 06:45:55 PM  
Were there any kind of similar complaints made about Apple's App Store when it came out, given that it links every program you install to your credit card information supplied to iTunes, or any complaints about Android's app store for similar reasons? I don't recall any, but I'll admit I wasn't paying much attention to tech reporting back then, so I could have missed it. To me that seems like it'd be worse from a privacy point of view since (on iOS at least), you officially can't install any programs without that logging taking place.
 
2012-08-24 06:50:36 PM  

LasersHurt: I like how the headline in no way resembles the contents of reality.


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2012-08-24 06:51:18 PM  
the server Windows 8 communicates with supports an insecure version of SSL (SSLv2)

So somebody failed to uncheck "allow SSLv2" on the server-side. Big whoop. The security framework (SSP) in NT6 supports TLS 1.2. That's what your client is going to use since it starts at the top and works down through older crypto protocols.


the OS never warns users that SmartScreen is spying on them

Sadly, the OS does a lot of stuff without telling us. It would be nice to either opt-in during install or opt-out the first time an EXE is run, but sadly that'd confuse grandma, which is why I am sure they don't do it.


the certificate security model has some known problems and has been prominently compromised in recent memory.

There are larger concerns out there regarding the resiliency of the certificate system than the possibility than somebody can man-in-the-middle me and discover that I'm running strip poker on my PC.
 
2012-08-24 07:11:22 PM  
Isn't the existing problem of Windows allowing grandma or junior to unknowingly install a Trojan a tad bit more of a privacy and security problem than the hypothetical issues they mention? Microsoft actually tries to tighten up Windows security and everyone biatches loudly, even though you can shut it off of you are truly paranoid. No one is ever happy.
 
2012-08-24 07:11:58 PM  
It is completely optional and it just sends a hash, no personal information. As many things as there are to hate about Windows 8 this isn't really a big deal.
 
2012-08-24 07:59:07 PM  
I would be really pissed if this could not be turned off... but................................................................. ..... ... .
 
2012-08-24 07:59:23 PM  

ThatGuyGreg: The thing you want to turn off, if you want to turn it off, is called SmartScreen. You can turn it off when you install Windows. This is, by the by, Microsoft catching up with what the other app stores do.


No, this is different. An App store has to know what you are installing because it is installing it for you and sending you updates. This is tracking EVERYTHING you install regardless of how you install it. Downloaded through steam, installed from CD, grabbed from a random website, copied by a friend with a flash drive, or something you wrote and compiled yourself.
 
2012-08-24 08:09:04 PM  

Hacker_X: ThatGuyGreg: The thing you want to turn off, if you want to turn it off, is called SmartScreen. You can turn it off when you install Windows. This is, by the by, Microsoft catching up with what the other app stores do.

No, this is different. An App store has to know what you are installing because it is installing it for you and sending you updates. This is tracking EVERYTHING you install regardless of how you install it. Downloaded through steam, installed from CD, grabbed from a random website, copied by a friend with a flash drive, or something you wrote and compiled yourself.


Again, the idea is to run it against a list of known malware to keep your PC from getting pwned. Apple does the same thing with Gatekeeper in Mountain Lion. I'd think it is a little intrusive, but after having to help my dad clean the FBI warning malware off of his PC twice already, I'm pretty much all for anything that makes it a little harder for the average consumer to have all of their info stolen by a trojan. For expert users like us, yes, it is a little intrusive (although I don't see how it is really a big issue unless you are installing warez), which is why it can be disabled easily.

If you don't see how useful this is, you just don't get the deep ignorance and lack of the of the average user, who regard a free app posted on the a random website with less skepticism than a five year old seeing a white van with "Free Candy" on the side. The five year old at least has some inkling of stranger danger.
 
2012-08-24 08:41:35 PM  

Hacker_X: ThatGuyGreg: The thing you want to turn off, if you want to turn it off, is called SmartScreen. You can turn it off when you install Windows. This is, by the by, Microsoft catching up with what the other app stores do.

No, this is different. An App store has to know what you are installing because it is installing it for you and sending you updates. This is tracking EVERYTHING you install regardless of how you install it. Downloaded through steam, installed from CD, grabbed from a random website, copied by a friend with a flash drive, or something you wrote and compiled yourself.


But IOS doesn't allow you any (legal) way to install anything without going through the App Store. So the end result is the same, it tracks everything you install. Except with Windows 8 you can turn it off.

How you can claim the Apple version is anything but far, far worse than the Microsoft version is beyond me. MS give you the option to install programs from anywhere. Apple don't. Microsoft give you the option to turn off tracking. Apple don't. The App store only "installs everything for you" because Apple made it that way and prevent you from doing anything else, short of jailbreaking.
 
2012-08-24 10:12:12 PM  

LasersHurt: I like how the headline in no way resembles the contents of reality.


I'm not the subby, but the headline references a joke from "Windows Really Good edition", a flash video from the windows ME release era; it was making fun of how Microsoft's 'new and improved' operating system was crap.
 
2012-08-24 10:17:44 PM  

Sim Tree: LasersHurt: I like how the headline in no way resembles the contents of reality.

I'm not the subby, but the headline references a joke from "Windows Really Good edition", a flash video from the windows ME release era; it was making fun of how Microsoft's 'new and improved' operating system was crap.


Wow okay duly noted, flew way over my head.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:24 PM  

LasersHurt: Sim Tree: LasersHurt: I like how the headline in no way resembles the contents of reality.

I'm not the subby, but the headline references a joke from "Windows Really Good edition", a flash video from the windows ME release era; it was making fun of how Microsoft's 'new and improved' operating system was crap.

Wow okay duly noted, flew way over my head.


I'm the subby and you are a n00b.
 
2012-08-24 11:07:33 PM  

potato_chip_eating_geek: LasersHurt: Sim Tree: LasersHurt: I like how the headline in no way resembles the contents of reality.

I'm not the subby, but the headline references a joke from "Windows Really Good edition", a flash video from the windows ME release era; it was making fun of how Microsoft's 'new and improved' operating system was crap.

Wow okay duly noted, flew way over my head.

I'm the subby and you are a n00b.


For not catching a reference to a single video? Uh, okay.
 
2012-08-25 09:26:00 AM  
If the makers of the application has a high reputation have paid Microsoft for a "certificate", the install proceeds normally. If not, users are greeted with an explanation like this
 
2012-08-25 09:55:44 AM  
How long before that database is used for anti-piracy purposes?
 
2012-08-25 11:54:47 AM  
Windows 8 looks more ass-tastic by the hour.
 
2012-08-25 03:34:24 PM  
Umm, Linux?
 
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