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(Deadspin)   All seven of Lance Armstrong's Tour de France wins would now go to cyclists with doping scandals of their own. Perhaps the USADA didn't think their cunning plan through   (deadspin.com) divider line 99
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2012-08-24 02:10:02 PM
1) Vacate Armstrong win
2) Don't just hand over to next guy with doping scandal
3) That was not a very difficult task, subby
 
2012-08-24 02:15:34 PM
i believe that makes the secretary of agriculture the winner of the tour de france. congratulations, tom vilsack!
 
2012-08-24 02:15:54 PM
Lance Armstrong made history....now he's being erased from it. A hundred years from now when kids are looking up past winners his name will not be seen in the results. Not even an asterisk. Sad.
 
2012-08-24 02:19:04 PM

FlashHarry: i believe that makes the secretary of agriculture the winner of the tour de france. congratulations, tom vilsack!


+1
 
2012-08-24 02:20:41 PM
They tore down Lance Armstrong, and that's all they really wanted.
 
2012-08-24 02:22:51 PM
Meh, a witch hunt by a bunch of frenchies that are appalled their own couldn't win it.
 
2012-08-24 02:24:26 PM
Have they gone nuts?
 
2012-08-24 02:25:22 PM

FlashHarry: i believe that makes the secretary of agriculture the winner of the tour de france. congratulations, tom vilsack!


How I haven't favourited you before now is beyond me. Well played.
 
2012-08-24 02:29:13 PM
Obama wins!

/like he did the Nobel Peace Prize before accomplishing anything
 
2012-08-24 02:32:09 PM
Somebody please explain to me:

A) how the US anti-doping agency can vacate a win awarded in a race they neither sponsor nor control

and

B) when "well he didn't prove his innoncence in our pet forum to our satisfaction, so he's obviously guilty" became an acceptable American legal standard. As I understand it, the sum total of the USADA's case against armstrong is some other cyclist's wife says she heard him tell his doctors that he was using drugs after his cancer surgeries, and a marketing rep for a sunglasses maker told Greg Le-major sore loser that "people are covering for" Lance

Personally I see it this way: the man had one farking ball meaning he produces 1/2 as much testosterone as his rivals, and his body was shot through with CANCER for a few years. Even if he DID use drugs to recover from that, that just puts him even with where the rest of the feild started.
 
2012-08-24 02:36:21 PM

basemetal: Meh, a witch hunt by a bunch of frenchies that are appalled their own couldn't win it.


actually a bunch of pinch-cheeked American Inquisitors who refuse to believe that a superior athlete can exist, therefore any amazing performance is, in thier eyes the result of drugs, not effort. The only question to them is was the athlete using detectable or undetectable drugs.

Fact #1 IF indeed Lance was using PEDs, its a known fact that a good portion of the TDF field was as well
Fact#2 Lance still not only beat, but SMOKED the feild in those races

Conclusion
1) PEDS dont help too much
2)Lance was racing on a level playing field and won
 
2012-08-24 02:45:07 PM
Convictions from 2008 economic catastrophe: 0
7-time TDF winners stripped of their titles withut physical evidence: 1

I'm glad we have our priorities in order.
 
2012-08-24 02:45:16 PM
When wins are vacated, they don't go to the 2nd place finisher or whatever.  They just go away.  Its merely a symbolic gesture (and meaningless, because his fans will consider him the winner anwyay and his detractors already didn't believe he was the winner.)
 
2012-08-24 02:46:19 PM

Magorn: basemetal: Meh, a witch hunt by a bunch of frenchies that are appalled their own couldn't win it.

actually a bunch of pinch-cheeked American Inquisitors who refuse to believe that a superior athlete can exist, therefore any amazing performance is, in thier eyes the result of drugs, not effort. The only question to them is was the athlete using detectable or undetectable drugs.



That too.

/hasn't he passed hundreds of other drug tests?
 
2012-08-24 02:47:22 PM
I hear they're also vacating all the times he banged Sheryl Crow.
 
2012-08-24 02:48:21 PM

Walker: Lance Armstrong made history....now he's being erased from it. A hundred years from now when kids are looking up past winners his name will not be seen in the results. Not even an asterisk. Sad.


What's sad is the thought of a kid from 100 years from now giving a flying f*ck about the Tour de France results of 100+ years ago.

Magorn: Fact #1 IF indeed Lance was using PEDs, its a known fact that a good portion of the TDF field was as well
Fact#2 Lance still not only beat, but SMOKED the feild in those races


Fact No. 1: It's 99.9% likely he was using them.
Fact No. 2: combined with the second half of your Fact No. 1, it's the reason it doesn't f*cking matter.

/also, subby, capitalizing every f*cking word in a headline, especially one this long, is obnoxious and you should be beaten with a tire iron.

Magorn: As I understand it, the sum total of the USADA's case against armstrong is some other cyclist's wife says she heard him tell his doctors that he was using drugs after his cancer surgeries, and a marketing rep for a sunglasses maker told Greg Le-major sore loser that "people are covering for" Lance


I'm sure that he was in the room with the rest of his team, all of whom were using PEDs, and he didn't use any of them. Meanwhile, he was dominating them on the course. That's really believable. It's also believable that he would go from "really good and might be competitive" pre-cancer to "complete juggernaut that can't be touched" post-cancer. Because that's how beating cancer works, it just makes you way better than you were before at things you like.
 
2012-08-24 02:52:18 PM

Walker: Lance Armstrong made history....now he's being erased from it. A hundred years from now when kids are looking up past winners his name will not be seen in the results. Not even an asterisk. Sad.


I can see it now

Child: Dad, who won the tour de france 100 years ago
Father: You are not my son. Get the f*ck away from me
 
2012-08-24 02:53:14 PM
Seems to me like another irrelevant organization trying desperately to validate their own existence.
 
2012-08-24 02:55:56 PM
I'll be more interested when the USADA revokes a few baseball records......

/yeah, right
 
2012-08-24 02:56:13 PM
It's also believable that he would go from "really good and might be competitive" pre-cancer to "complete juggernaut that can't be touched" post-cancer. Because that's how beating cancer works, it just makes you way better than you were before at things you like.

Haven't you heard, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger!
 
2012-08-24 03:02:57 PM
Actually, this is now relevant (though old).

I'm just going to leave it here.

It came as a surprise because he didn't fight the case, but the rest is pretty much spot-on.
 
2012-08-24 03:17:35 PM

Marcus Aurelius: They tore down Lance Armstrong, and that's all they really wanted.


I've never understood that. And I believe that is what they were doing! They had themselves a Tiger Wood, Micheal Jordan and Wayne Gretzky all rolled into one. This guy could have been a wonderful mascot/figure head for the sport and they just trashed him every chance they got. Do they not want more people taking up the sport?
 
2012-08-24 03:24:31 PM
2005: Ivan Basso (confessed to attempted doping, suspended)

If you get caught failing at cheating, you should be stripped of everything. Awards, money, clothes, dignity.
 
2012-08-24 03:52:52 PM
www.beforeafters.com
lolwut?
 
2012-08-24 04:19:15 PM

IAmRight: /also, subby, capitalizing every f*cking word in a headline, especially one this long, is obnoxious and you should be beaten with a tire iron.


He didn't captialize every word, as the second sentence doesn't follow that formatting. However, Deadspin's headline follows that formatting -- it's almost as if lazymitter couldn't even be arsed to type it out himself and got some copypasta greenlit.
 
2012-08-24 04:46:22 PM

Donnchadha: it's almost as if lazymitter couldn't even be arsed to type it out himself and got some copypasta greenlit.


copypasta greenlit headline is the best greenlit headline


//srsly seems to be the easiest way to get a greenlight lately
 
2012-08-24 05:01:03 PM

basemetal: Meh, a witch hunt by a bunch of frenchies that are appalled their own couldn't win it.


How do you consider the United States Anti Doping Agency to be a "frenchie" exactly?
 
2012-08-24 05:01:06 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I've never understood that. And I believe that is what they were doing! They had themselves a Tiger Wood, Micheal Jordan and Wayne Gretzky all rolled into one. This guy could have been a wonderful mascot/figure head for the sport and they just trashed him every chance they got. Do they not want more people taking up the sport?


Tiger uses/used PED. He has roid-rage: throwing clubs, cussing, trying to kill his wife.
 
2012-08-24 05:02:54 PM

Donnchadha: However, Deadspin's headline follows that formatting


Well, Deadspin sucks skunk dicks, so I suppose that's par for the course.
 
2012-08-24 05:03:56 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Have they gone nuts?


FTFY
 
2012-08-24 05:06:49 PM
Step one: don't get caught doping
Step two: don't get accused of doping by anyone with physical evidence
Step three: beat everyone multiple times after surviving cancer
Step four: get your wins and titles stripped and given to other people who got caught doping
Step five: ???
Step six: PROFIT

The USADA are full of sad little men persecuting the one man who brought American cycling to fame
 
2012-08-24 05:06:52 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Marcus Aurelius: They tore down Lance Armstrong, and that's all they really wanted.

I've never understood that. And I believe that is what they were doing! They had themselves a Tiger Wood, Micheal Jordan and Wayne Gretzky all rolled into one. This guy could have been a wonderful mascot/figure head for the sport and they just trashed him every chance they got. Do they not want more people taking up the sport?


Cycling was THEIR sport...

As terrible as this analogy is...just go with it...

Remember the dislike of Jean Girard (Sacha Baron Cohen) in talladega nights becuase he was winning NASCAR. Same thing, only this isn't a humorous will Farell movie....they seriously don't like when foreigners..especially loud, arrogant, Americans winning THEIR RACE.
 
2012-08-24 05:08:21 PM

Broktun: Tiger uses/used PED. He has roid-rage: throwing clubs, cussing, trying to kill his wife.


I thought his wife tried to kill him?
 
2012-08-24 05:08:49 PM

KFBR392: .they seriously don't like when foreigners..especially loud, arrogant, Americans winning THEIR RACE.


They were alright with LeMond winning, then again LeMond speaks French and is seen as a nice easy going guy.
 
2012-08-24 05:10:00 PM

Sargun: Step one: don't get caught doping
Step two: don't get accused of doping by anyone with physical evidence
Step three: beat everyone multiple times after surviving cancer
Step four: get your wins and titles stripped and given to other people who got caught doping
Step five: ???
Step six: PROFIT


Well, he has tested positive more than once.

KFBR392: Remember the dislike of Jean Girard (Sacha Baron Cohen) in talladega nights becuase he was winning NASCAR. Same thing, only this isn't a humorous will Farell movie....they seriously don't like when foreigners..especially loud, arrogant, Americans winning THEIR RACE.


The USADA doesn't like Americans winning French races?
 
2012-08-24 05:10:38 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Broktun: Tiger uses/used PED. He has roid-rage: throwing clubs, cussing, trying to kill his wife.

I thought his wife tried to kill him?


That is exactly what Tiger wants you to think.
 
2012-08-24 05:11:30 PM

KFBR392: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Marcus Aurelius: They tore down Lance Armstrong, and that's all they really wanted.

I've never understood that. And I believe that is what they were doing! They had themselves a Tiger Wood, Micheal Jordan and Wayne Gretzky all rolled into one. This guy could have been a wonderful mascot/figure head for the sport and they just trashed him every chance they got. Do they not want more people taking up the sport?

Cycling was THEIR sport...

As terrible as this analogy is...just go with it...

Remember the dislike of Jean Girard (Sacha Baron Cohen) in talladega nights becuase he was winning NASCAR. Same thing, only this isn't a humorous will Farell movie....they seriously don't like when foreigners..especially loud, arrogant, Americans winning THEIR RACE.




So the USADA is a french cycling association that is hell bent on trashing American athletes?


Smoke much crack lately?
 
2012-08-24 05:11:34 PM
So this means NBC Sports can relegate the Tour de France to a little half-hour recap show in between programs about hunting and fishing? I mean, if we're vacating all Lance Armstrong ever did.
 
2012-08-24 05:13:44 PM

Broktun: That is exactly what Tiger wants you to think.


The nine iron sticking out of the side of the SUV was the first clue
 
2012-08-24 05:14:58 PM
They showed something interesting during this years Tour, during one of the climbs that tends to be on the Tour fairly regularly they showed the time for it. From the 80s into the mid 90s the times were fairly consistent, then in the mid 90s they started dropping like a stone. What had taken the best climbers 52 minutes was now taking 45. Then two Tours back the time shot back up to where it used to be. So either the best climbers in the Tour got hugely better out of the blue then quite a bit worse, all at the same time, or something was up.
 
2012-08-24 05:16:50 PM

Magorn: Somebody please explain to me:

A) how the US anti-doping agency can vacate a win awarded in a race they neither sponsor nor control


USADA can't actually vacate the TdF results -- that has to be done by the International Cycling Union (UCI) that has jurisdiction over the race itself. But to be able to race in the TdF, you have to come from a country that has a national anti-doping agency (for Lance, that's USADA), and the national doping agency has to enter into an agreement with the World Anti-Doping agency to abide by every other country's national agency's rulings with regard to their racers. This way, Lance is barred from racing in certified British races, and a banned British rider would be barred from certified US races, etc.

Now, there is a dispute over whether the UCI has to accept decisions made by national anti-doping agencies. UCI says it doesn't have to, USADA says it does. It may be that UCI tells USADA to go pound sand, either as a favor to Lance or just to maintain their ostensible independence.
 
2012-08-24 05:29:08 PM

Uzzah: Magorn: Somebody please explain to me:

A) how the US anti-doping agency can vacate a win awarded in a race they neither sponsor nor control

USADA can't actually vacate the TdF results -- that has to be done by the International Cycling Union (UCI) that has jurisdiction over the race itself. But to be able to race in the TdF, you have to come from a country that has a national anti-doping agency (for Lance, that's USADA), and the national doping agency has to enter into an agreement with the World Anti-Doping agency to abide by every other country's national agency's rulings with regard to their racers. This way, Lance is barred from racing in certified British races, and a banned British rider would be barred from certified US races, etc.

Now, there is a dispute over whether the UCI has to accept decisions made by national anti-doping agencies. UCI says it doesn't have to, USADA says it does. It may be that UCI tells USADA to go pound sand, either as a favor to Lance or just to maintain their ostensible independence.


The UCI is a pretty crooked bunch. No matter what happens with Lance, I kinda hope they get their business looked into due to this and maybe they'll allow bike builders a little more elbow room as far as what's race legal. If you want to buy a non-UCI approved bike, you need to go with a tri-specific ride. I want to see some innovation. I want to see prices drop for crazy bikes and components.
 
2012-08-24 05:29:12 PM
Blackadder: Am I jumping the gun, Baldrick, or are the words "I have a cunning plan" marching with ill-deserved confidence in the direction of this conversation?
Baldrick: They certainly are, sir!
Blackadder: Well, forgive me if I don't do a cartwheel of joy. Your record in this department is hardly 100%. So what is it?
Baldrick: We do nothing.
Blackadder: Yup. It's another world-beater!
 
2012-08-24 05:31:17 PM

Marcus Aurelius: They tore down Lance Armstrong, and that's all they really wanted.


^^ bingo

WhyteRaven74: They showed something interesting during this years Tour, during one of the climbs that tends to be on the Tour fairly regularly they showed the time for it. From the 80s into the mid 90s the times were fairly consistent, then in the mid 90s they started dropping like a stone. What had taken the best climbers 52 minutes was now taking 45. Then two Tours back the time shot back up to where it used to be. So either the best climbers in the Tour got hugely better out of the blue then quite a bit worse, all at the same time, or something was up.


If they investigated every top cyclist during those years the way the USADA investigated Armstrong, they'd all be "vacated" because that is enough proof for them. That and somebody's wife's cousin saying they heard someone told someone else they'd heard Lance tell a skycap at the airport he was on EPO.
 
2012-08-24 05:33:19 PM
Greg LeMond sports a nice juicy pair of plums, while Lance Armstrong has a shriveled lone raisin.
 
2012-08-24 05:35:44 PM
Does he get his testicle back now?
 
2012-08-24 05:36:29 PM
It's not up to the USADA to decide about the removal of TdF wins. We must wait and see what the UCI has to say (if anything).
 
2012-08-24 05:37:29 PM

Uzzah: Now, there is a dispute over whether the UCI has to accept decisions made by national anti-doping agencies. UCI says it doesn't have to, USADA says it does. It may be that UCI tells USADA to go pound sand, either as a favor to Lance or just to maintain their ostensible independence.


If UCI doesn't abide by the decision of the USADA it would mean getting booted out of the IOC. No cycling events at Olympics, ever.

Ain't gonna happen.

And for the people still holding on to the "no physical evidence" stupidity - 38 positive tests from 2009-2010, one positive EPO test from 2001, one positive cortisone test from 1999. There's plenty of physical evidence Armstrong doped, the first two "disappeared" after the UCI suddenly got a $250k donation from Lance.
 
Ehh
2012-08-24 05:41:24 PM

Sybarite: I hear they're also vacating all the times he banged Sheryl Crow.


They'll never take that away from him! Or the public shame of divorcing his wife, who stayed by his side while he had cancer, so he could bang Sheryl Crow.
 
Ehh
2012-08-24 05:44:46 PM

mc_madness: Greg LeMond sports a nice juicy pair of plums, while Lance Armstrong has a shriveled lone raisin.


LeMond must be feeling pretty gosh-darn vindicated right about now.

"LeMond alleges in the legal summons and complaint sent to Trek in March 2008 that Armstrong used his connections with Trek to get the company to put pressure on him to be silent." Source
 
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