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(Discover)   Science will never be able to replace religion because people are hard-wired to be stupid   (blogs.discovermagazine.com) divider line 15
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2012-08-24 02:43:53 PM
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2012-08-24 05:05:12 PM
3 votes:
FTFA: The column, by Arizona State University's Daniel Sarewitz, suggests that rational explanation of the universe's existence, as advanced recently by discovery of the Higgs boson, can't match the feelings evoked by spectacular religious symbolism, such as that found in Cambodia's ancient Hindu temples, which Sarewitz explored this summer.

I disagree.

I find a lot of religious art and architecture very impressive. Much of it is wonderfully creative and expressive and pure joy to behold.

But, for me at least, knowledge about the intricacies of the universe and the sublimity of the laws of nature are so much more breathtaking than anything religion has ever inspired.
2012-08-25 02:59:52 AM
2 votes:

garron: People are hard-wired to find truth.


Nope. People are hardwired to find explanations. Absolute truth only exists in closed formal systems such as mathematics.

People are not hardwired to find good explanations or hardwired to tell if some situation has been well enough framed that it might be explainable.
2012-08-24 05:21:46 PM
2 votes:
Religion isn't stupid. It's needy. "Emotional salve" is a good term. It's been abundantly shown through studies that people with an actual, strong religious faith live longer, happier, healthier lives. Imagine what an awesome feeling it must be to actually believe that there is an afterlife, and some super duper skywizard is deeply interested in YOU, and cares about YOU.

Reality is a little tough to take. You're born, you live, you die. The end of you. Everything you are. Your mind, your conscieousness, everything ends. In a universe that doesn't care about you, and subjects you to totally random events. You ultimately return to the oblivion from whence you came.

There isn't one little bit of ultimate meaning or purpose to your life. Like a ripple in the sea of time, you rise up out of the background noise, for an eyeblink of time you have shape and amplitude, then you sink back down into the background noise.

Kinda depressing, actually.

So, if you're willing to BELIEVE, you get a longer happier life, and you aren't dissapointed when you die, because your mind ends, and you never get to know you were wrong, so you're not humiliated.

Kinda a sweet deal, if you can manage to BELIEVE.

I can't

But I am somewhat envious of those who do. Their quality of life is better.
2012-08-24 04:16:56 PM
2 votes:

old_toole: It's not hard wired or stupid.
It's just humanity as a whole are just insecure about our place in the universe and it is easier to follow what has been told for thousands of years instead of understanding what actually makes sense.

/Did I word that correctly? I hope the grammar gods don't send me to hell


You said it fine. I just have no idea why you thought it would refute that it's stupid and hard wired.
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2012-08-24 02:36:02 PM
2 votes:
It's hard to create science in your own image.
2012-08-25 02:39:02 PM
1 votes:
As elaborated about above, the human default to believe in deity likely stems from our survival-oriented reflex of attempting to recognize cause and effect, patterns, and similar concepts.

When I touched fire, I got burned. Touching fire bad; fire no like be touched; make fire angry. I should not touch fire.

The day after Urgg and I took a dump on the high peak, a storm came from above the high peak and a lightning flash burned down my shelter. Pooping on high peak bad; spirits of sky no like poop; make sky spirits angry; sky spirits powerful. I should not foul the high peak.

When Mongo got within x meters of a tiger, the tiger ate him while Mongo screamed in an excruciating death. Tiger no like human trespasser; make tiger angry; tiger mighty. I should stay out of tigers' striking distance.

Last year, we slaughtered a beautiful, ripe young virgin girl and poured her blood upon the seeds we planted; our harvest last year was bountiful. This year, we gang-rape a little virgin girl and make her pee on the seeds. Not much rain came and our harvest has been meager. We offended ground spirit by not giving him a dead young virgin. We'll kill one for him next year.

When I brought big kill to camp, all ladies gave me snu-snu. Ladies like big slabs of meat; make much horny. I should figure out a way to improve my hunting results and get more snu-snu.

To an extent, this natural inclination is present even in agnostics and even atheists. When random things happen, an instinctive reaction is to think, "Why me?" or "I''ve never been late to work, and this morning I have a promotion interview. Why did there have to be a traffic accident today of all days?" or "Hey, all right, I'm on a winning streak. I can't lose today." We quickly dismiss those thoughts as being illogical and unfounded, but they are there, and they remain in the backs of our minds.
2012-08-25 02:24:07 PM
1 votes:
If you tell a religious person that everything he knows is wrong, you get a fight.

If you tell a scientist that everything he knows is wrong, you get a request for reproducible experimental data that support your claims.
2012-08-25 05:06:37 AM
1 votes:
You can be a smart scientist and still have religion.

So what?
2012-08-24 06:13:30 PM
1 votes:

mark12A: Religion isn't stupid. It's needy. "Emotional salve" is a good term. It's been abundantly shown through studies that people with an actual, strong religious faith live longer, happier, healthier lives. Imagine what an awesome feeling it must be to actually believe that there is an afterlife, and some super duper skywizard is deeply interested in YOU, and cares about YOU.

Reality is a little tough to take. You're born, you live, you die. The end of you. Everything you are. Your mind, your conscieousness, everything ends. In a universe that doesn't care about you, and subjects you to totally random events. You ultimately return to the oblivion from whence you came.

There isn't one little bit of ultimate meaning or purpose to your life. Like a ripple in the sea of time, you rise up out of the background noise, for an eyeblink of time you have shape and amplitude, then you sink back down into the background noise.

Kinda depressing, actually.

So, if you're willing to BELIEVE, you get a longer happier life, and you aren't dissapointed when you die, because your mind ends, and you never get to know you were wrong, so you're not humiliated.

Kinda a sweet deal, if you can manage to BELIEVE.

I can't

But I am somewhat envious of those who do. Their quality of life is better.


This. %100. I have been trying to find the words to convey this whole thing exactly as you have. So don't mind if I steal it. And welcome to my favorites.
2012-08-24 05:38:30 PM
1 votes:
Science and scientific thinking is an unnatural thing for humans. Basically everybody is bad at science, even scientists. Scientists are the just the ones who are too stubborn to give up on it.
2012-08-24 05:16:06 PM
1 votes:
No one ever promised that 'knowing' would somehow make someone feel better about themselves.
2012-08-24 05:11:15 PM
1 votes:
It doesn't, but with hilarious results. Science and technology are the things people like to deny having while using them as a go to for everything.

Examples include:
- Using the latest fertility technology and thanking God for getting pregnant
- Arguments about quantum mechanics don't exist while using the internet as a medium for this discussion. Bonus: On a smart phone.
- Those evil biologists who don't know anything, except for every time you go to the doctor.

I'm sure you can think of many more.
2012-08-24 03:42:17 PM
1 votes:

legion_of_doo: Atheists are no more responsible for science truth than wacko Jeebus bangers


How about denying science truth? How do the two groups compare?
2012-08-24 02:59:41 PM
1 votes:
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