EatTheWorld: thanks, I've already filled out 4 of these... Where do I mail them again?

you need to fill in the original certificate, then give it to Donald Trump.

i don't see natural before any of those citizens Corvus...

BSABSVR: Stop talking to the crazy person.

Are you kidding? This is the most fun I've had all day.

/only partly joking
//early to rise & early to bed makes a man healthy but socially dead
///slashies come in threes

I'm sick of this birther thing.

You'd have to be a farking retard of the highest caliber if you think that you could get in the most prestigious colleges in the world, become a professor, a community planner, a senator, and President of the USA without some pretty farking heavy duty background checks, and I'm sure being a foreigner might have been noted at some point along the line.

Birthers are really the dumbest most ignorant people on this planet.

EatTheWorld: i don't see natural before any of those citizens Corvus...

Then read my REpost. According to Wikipedia:
The Constitution does not define the phrase natural-born citizen, and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its precise meaning. A 2011 Congressional Research Service report stated

The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term "natural born" citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship "by birth" or "at birth", either by being born "in" the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship "at birth". Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an "alien" required to go through the legal process of "naturalization" to become a U.S. citizen.

You know you're a Birther when natural born citizenship is one big game of Calvinball.

EatTheWorld: i don't see natural before any of those citizens Corvus...

I hear Romney colors his hair. Guess he's not natural either.

Corvus: EatTheWorld: Corvus: And why does Romney not have to follow the same rules every other presidential candidate needs to follow and the "Because he has things he wants to hide" is not a good answer.

McCain only released 2 years of returns. Not a farking peep. Why do you want Romney's so bad? Because he is rich. Why the double standard?

I think McCain should of released more.

More importantly, there are relevant differences between the two. Romney is part of the 1% (maybe even the 1% of the 1%), and is running on a platform of lowering taxes for the wealthy. Let's see what he actually pays, and decide if he really is paying more than his fair share.

As a tangent, it really bothers me that Republican's have successfully framed the dialogue around the Bush tax cuts as letting-them-expire = raising-taxes. It's not. Letting them expire is a return to the normal rate. They were proposed, and sold, as a temporary measure to boost the economy -- so the "job creators" have more money. It didn't work. Things got worse, and both the income and wealth gaps grew at an unprecedented rate. Not only are Republicans fighting from letting them expire, they are doubling-down on failed policy, saying we have to lower them even more -- consolidate even more wealth among the most wealthy Americans.

To fix this, we not only need to let the Bush tax cuts expire, we need to introduce a sever death tax, redistributing much the accumulated wealth back to system that they so successfully used (and, sometimes, exploited), in the form of education, infrastructure, and research into the sciences. That creates a land of opportunity.

Mega Steve: The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term "natural born" citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship "by birth" or "at birth", either by being born "in" the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship "at birth". Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an "alien" required to go through the legal process of "naturalization" to become a U.S. citizen.

to me, and everyone else before me seems to think natural means of the land. Why the process of naturalization if natural born isn't a distinction?

pippi longstocking: Birthers are really the dumbest most ignorant people on this planet.

The chemtrail folks are a pretty close second.

mrshowrules: Romney's whiteness is well documented. Also, Mormonism is now the same as Christianity.

No it's not.

Corvus: *facepalm* Then you don't know what it means. Which if you don't think that is the same as natural then according to you McCain is not a natural born citizen either because he was born outside of the US.

McCain was born on a US military base. Maybe not our land in terms of sovereignty, but ours nonetheless.

vernonFL: "No one's ever asked to see my birth certificate,"

I assume Romney has a passport. Was he asked for his birth certificate when he applied for a passport?

It has been my experience that to be issued a United States passport, a birth certificate isn't required. It wasn't required thirty-some-odd years ago, and last time I checked, 2006, it still wasn't required. Maybe it's 'cause I'm a blonde white guy.

YMMV.

EatTheWorld: to me, and everyone else before me seems to think natural means of the land. Why the process of naturalization if natural born isn't a distinction?

I see that you don't let a little thing called the facts get in your way. Good for you!

EatTheWorld: impaler: It didn't you farking moron. If it was pieced together in photoshop, the lower layers wouldn't be a different beneath the letters from adjacent areas. They are clearly compression artifacts.

from your link

The files do not state how the office determined Obama was born in Honolulu.

Were you born this stupid, or did you suffer a terrible accident while a moron?

Nobody has "stated" how they determined where I was born either, dipshiat. Eventually, you have to take the records' office word for it.

EatTheWorld: Mega Steve: The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term "natural born" citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship "by birth" or "at birth", either by being born "in" the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship "at birth". Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an "alien" required to go through the legal process of "naturalization" to become a U.S. citizen.

to me, and everyone else before me seems to think natural means of the land. Why the process of naturalization if natural born isn't a distinction?

MrHelpful: doyner: MrHelpful: If you have a problem with the racist code word list then go see all the liberal commentators who insist when conservatives use those words, they're speaking in code. It's those liberals who don't think.

Can you explain to me what a "Welfare Queen" is?

Sure...it refers to welfare cheats.

Satisfied?

So only women cheat on welfare? Such a typically Republican attitude.

EatTheWorld: i don't see natural before any of those citizens Corvus...

Obama is a natural-born citizen. Would you like to know why? Because he was born in Hawaii, which is a US state. His mother was born in Kansas, which is also a US state. No matter where she popped Barack out of her snatch, he'd be a natural-born citizen because SHE was a natural-born citizen. It just so happened she popped him out in Hawaii, which is a US state.

The US confers citizenship three ways; by right of soil, by right of blood, and by naturalization. Two of those ways grant you natural-born citizenship status; being born on US soil and being born to at least one natural-born citizen parent. Barack Obama is covered under both of those applications. It doesn't matter where his father was born, if he was married to his mother at the time or not, if he was black, white, red, purple, or pink with yellow spots.

There is ABSOLUTELY ZERO LEGITIMATE ARGUMENT about the President's citizenship. None. He could have been born on the farking moon, he's a natural-born citizen by virtue of being born to a natural-born citizen mother. This is not complicated.

Coco LaFemme: He could have been born on the farking moon

AHA!!! I KNEW it!

EatTheWorld: Corvus: *facepalm* Then you don't know what it means. Which if you don't think that is the same as natural then according to you McCain is not a natural born citizen either because he was born outside of the US.

McCain was born on a US military base. Maybe not our land in terms of sovereignty, but ours nonetheless.

Maybe you should argue about this with Romney, since he says that he believes Obama was born in the U.S. How soon before you realize that his little joke is meant to rile up the few remaining birthers who aren't ashamed to admit it, while at the same time insisting to normal folks that he's not stupid enough to be a birther--but he does want birthers to vote for him?


Romney reiterated to CBS that he does not agree with those who question the president's birthplace and denied that the line was a "swipe" at Obama.

"No, no, not a swipe," Romney said. "I've said throughout the campaign and before, there's no question about where he was born. He was born in the U.S. This was fun about us, and coming home. And humor, you know, we've got to have a little humor in a campaign."

/Yeah, I'm sure the birth certificate joke had absolutely nothing to do with throwing a few verbal crumbs to the base, knowing that they won't bother to read about him walking back the statement.

EatTheWorld: haha! You got me! Silly redneck with a keyboard here :)

I can even make links too!!

/mmm beer

Arpaio is your great source? Jesus, I could have outdone any one of his "experts" after my first semester in computer art classes. You really shouldn't be backing a lame dog like Arpaio, the smart money is to bow out now. The dude is such a disgrace, the best gig he could get at the RNC is speaking at the Tampa Zoo. It's amazing how quickly a blazing star can fall to earth, isn't it?

6 months from now, the name Arpaio will get you kicked out of GOP events for life.

What a dreamy Mormon! It makes my colostomy bag pucker!

EatTheWorld: Say whatever you want about Arpaio, he is a serious man.

He's a media whore, who supported immigrant rights a year before he figured out how much press time it would get him.

EatTheWorld: And the people of his jurisdiction asked him to investigate this.

250 out of almost four million people bought him. That's .0064432989690721655 % to you and me. That's 6 people out of every thousand.

EatTheWorld: I take his evidence at face value, and that is that it leaves questions.

You're right, his evidence DOES leave "questions". As in how much did he pay these supposed "experts" to fark it up that badly? They have no idea what they're talking about, and they have no idea how digital files live and breathe. Obviously they didn't consult a forensic expert, they consulted Jerome farking Corsi.

If you believe Joe's bag of bullshiat, then you aren't smart enough to stand in the rain without drowning.

Corvus: Weird I never get a straight answer to that. I wonder why.

1 part black + 1 part white doesn't = grey in your world? It's the only difference I can see.

Coco LaFemme: I thought an airhorn was one of those little hand-held things you see at sports events?

Well, an airhorn is a horn that uses pressurized air to make a noise, whether it's on a semi, a train, or the little handheld thing you see at sports events, they're all the same, just different sizes and using different air pressure.

EatTheWorld: Corvus: None of the things you listed make a legal difference to Obama's citizenship status. So once again, why do you have a different set of rules for Obama then everyone else?

Because the Constitution states that the President be a natural born citizen. That is the only rule I care about. I listed the questions about his background, that is why. If none of that existed, then my curiosity would be nonexistent on this as well.

He's more "natural born" than McCain, who wasn't even born in the US.

Corvus: [gothamist.com image 640x549]

It's going to be so fun seeing HEAD BIRTHER Donald Trump making his appearance during the RNC on Monday

Is he jacking Trump off?

Well...while we wait for EatTheWorld to prepare another salvo, what shall we chat about?

Coco LaFemme: This is not complicated.

it is when there is shiat out there contradicts what what should be true.

You are right. I looked into the 14th amendment and although Schwarzenegger could never president, you are right in that Barry can be. For another 3 months or so.

Sorry Mitt! I tired my damnest, but you stepped in it asshat... 

/And honestly, I could care less, but it is a fun debate. Which I will never endevour to win again thank you.
//mmm more beer
///need boobies

EatTheWorld: However, if mommy farks daddy in Kenya, and pops O out on the African Savannah, then no baby not natural born.

You know how I can tell that you didn't pay attention in 7th grade Social Studies?

dudemanbro: Romney needs to get punched in the mouth.

It almost happened today.... Link

Raoul Eaton: I'm not going to read 13 pages of this stuff. Can someone give a brief recap?

/I'm guessing 50% "Romney is a twit," 50% "Whar birf certificate?"

Eat The World is a moron and Romney kind of endorsed Birtherism.

Now you're up to date.

fusillade762: Coco LaFemme: xynix: Coco LaFemme: That's not even an air horn, that's one of those giant horns on 18-wheelers.

Umm. that would be an airhorn..

I thought an airhorn was one of those little hand-held things you see at sports events?

Nah, you're thinking of a vuvuzela.

No, i know the thing that's being discussed. An  air horn

EatTheWorld: doyner: Now show us the definition of natural born as it appears in the Constitution.

The Constitution is not a dictionary, however a dictionary is a dictionary.

That's your winning argument? You're even stupider than previously thought, or you're an award winning troll. Which is it? If you're a troll, you have to admit it when confronted, it's like a cop in a drug bust.

EatTheWorld: Coco LaFemme: This is not complicated.

it is when there is shiat out there contradicts what what should be true.

You are right. I looked into the 14th amendment and although Schwarzenegger could never president, you are right in that Barry can be. For another 3 months or so.

Sorry Mitt! I tired my damnest, but you stepped in it asshat... 

/And honestly, I could care less, but it is a fun debate. Which I will never endevour to win again thank you.
//mmm more beer
///need boobies

Another right wing extremist gets shot down and pretends they were just joking, and it's "couldn't care less".

amiable: I actually don't think this is a bad strategy from the Romney campaign. I think doubling down on racial animus is really the only way he is going to be able to peel enough just enough white voters to take the swing states. If you look at the poll numbers you can see he got a nice bump out of his thinly veiled "welfare" commercials, and he makes similar oblique references in his medicare commercials - "they are taking your benefits to give to OTHER (read: black) people."

If you don't think that race is still an issue in the American psyche, you are fooling yourself. The Republican party has spent the last for years developing thinly veiled excuses so those voters too squeamish to out-and-out vote based on race could rationally justify a vote against Obama with a racial ting as being "not about race." Don't underestimate the recent dog-whistles, there is a non-negligible chance that they may be effective.

Race-baiting, the last refuge of the intellectually bankrupt.

EatTheWorld: Corvus: *facepalm* Then you don't know what it means. Which if you don't think that is the same as natural then according to you McCain is not a natural born citizen either because he was born outside of the US.

McCain was born on a US military base. Maybe not our land in terms of sovereignty, but ours nonetheless.

That's OK, Obama was born in an actual US state.

How do you like them apples?

Alphakronik: dudemanbro: Romney needs to get punched in the mouth.

It almost happened today.... Link

I actually thought he did a good job there, although his press secretary was an ass.

Mikey1969: Eat The World is a moron and Romney kind of endorsed Birtherism.

I am not sir. If going down the line of every question of the man as far as this issue goes illustrates that I was wrong, then so be it. Isn't that how you learn? I was ignorant. The blood lineage to natural born citizenship honestly did not enter my head. I never knew that fact, and I honesty never heard that raised until tonight. So save your shiat that I am moron, because I am man enough to admit when I am wrong and move on. How many libs can say the same? And I was wrong. This thread has given me full confidence that this issue should remain in the cellar. I hope Mitt reads it.

dprathbun: vernonFL: "No one's ever asked to see my birth certificate,"

I assume Romney has a passport. Was he asked for his birth certificate when he applied for a passport?

It has been my experience that to be issued a United States passport, a birth certificate isn't required. It wasn't required thirty-some-odd years ago, and last time I checked, 2006, it still wasn't required. Maybe it's 'cause I'm a blonde white guy.

YMMV.

Post 9/11 these things have changed. I pretty much had to give a DNA sample to get a farking DL when I moved to Utah, and when I got my passport in 2006, I had to jump through all kinds of hoops, because I'd been adopted(Or so I thought), and my BC said one name, and my SS Card another.