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2012-08-24 02:17:59 PM  
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2012-08-24 02:23:29 PM  

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nice.

i'd say that cutting food stamps and other programs for the needy so that mitt romney's tax rate can be less than one percent... is about as un-christian and un-catholic as you can get.
 
2012-08-24 02:26:55 PM  

FlashHarry: gameshowhost: [i48.tinypic.com image 320x453]

nice.

i'd say that cutting food stamps and other programs for the needy so that mitt romney's tax rate can be less than one percent... is about as un-christian and un-catholic as you can get.


Two chodes, one campaign.
 
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2012-08-24 02:32:18 PM  

FlashHarry: gameshowhost: [i48.tinypic.com image 320x453]

nice.

i'd say that cutting food stamps and other programs for the needy so that mitt romney's tax rate can be less than one percent... is about as un-christian and un-catholic as you can get.


Yep. He should have converted to Southern Baptist or Methodist. The Catholics still listen to that Liberal Jew-boy with the Mexican name.
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2012-08-24 02:45:54 PM  
FlashHarry:

i'd say that cutting food stamps and other programs for the needy so that mitt romney's tax rate can be less than one percent... is about as un-christian and un-catholic as you can get.

Un-Christian, yes. As for Catholics, one could argue Ryan is perfectly in place with a lot of their philosophies. Hoarding wealth like in the Vatican, keeping secrets like the Vatican, denying care for the ill and needy like Mother Teresa, etc...
 
2012-08-24 02:58:03 PM  
Catholic Church == religion
religion == fantasy and superstition

Paul Ryan's policy is informed by fantasy ans superstition.

I have no problem with the factuocity of this statement
 
2012-08-24 03:08:31 PM  
Tax cuts for kiddy fiddlers?
 
2012-08-24 03:13:25 PM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Tax cuts for kiddy fiddlers?


good call.

Ryan's policies are informed by the largest pedophile supporting organization in the world.
 
2012-08-24 03:18:11 PM  
Umm Mr. Ryan? Two of the greatest Popes in Church history (John XXIII and John Paul II) would like a word with you:

The Second Vatican Council, in a passage which retains all its relevance today, forcefully condemned a number of crimes and attacks against human life. Thirty years later, taking up the words of the Council and with the same forcefulness I repeat that condemnation in the name of the whole Church, certain that I am interpreting the genuine sentiment of every upright conscience: "Whatever is opposed to life itself, such as any type of murder, genocide, abortion, euthanasia, or wilful self-destruction, whatever violates the integrity of the human person, such as mutilation, torments inflicted on body or mind, attempts to coerce the will itself; whatever insults human dignity, such as subhuman living conditions, arbitrary imprisonment, deportation, slavery, prostitution, the selling of women and children; as well as disgraceful working conditions, where people are treated as mere instruments of gain rather than as free and responsible persons; all these things and others like them are infamies indeed. They poison human society, and they do more harm to those who practise them than to those who suffer from the injury. Moreover, they are a supreme dishonour to the Creator".5

 
2012-08-24 03:22:27 PM  
"My budget is heavily informed by my Catholic faith"

So he IS pro-rape
 
2012-08-24 03:23:04 PM  

mrshowrules: DammitIForgotMyLogin: Tax cuts for kiddy fiddlers?

good call.

Ryan's policies are informed by the largest pedophile supporting organization in the world.


the boy scouts?
 
2012-08-24 03:23:33 PM  
umm, no it isn't Paulie. See, while the CC does have your back with issues like gay marriage and abortion they are the most socialisty socialists ever to socialize when it comes to issues of economics
 
2012-08-24 03:26:20 PM  
"The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand. And the fight we are in here, make no mistake about it, is a fight of individualism versus collectivism."
 
2012-08-24 03:29:26 PM  
All your meek are belong to us.
 
2012-08-24 03:31:01 PM  

coeyagi: All your meek are belong to us.


Blessed are the Peacemakers

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2012-08-24 03:31:24 PM  

FlashHarry: gameshowhost: [i48.tinypic.com image 320x453]

nice.

i'd say that cutting food stamps and other programs for the needy so that mitt romney's tax rate can be less than one percent... is about as un-christian and un-catholic as you can get.


"But................................................ .................................... ........................................... we're job creators!"
 
2012-08-24 03:32:03 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: FlashHarry:

i'd say that cutting food stamps and other programs for the needy so that mitt romney's tax rate can be less than one percent... is about as un-christian and un-catholic as you can get.

Un-Christian, yes. As for Catholics, one could argue Ryan is perfectly in place with a lot of their philosophies. Hoarding wealth like in the Vatican, keeping secrets like the Vatican, denying care for the ill and needy like Mother Teresa, etc...


Ok. So imagine that hypocritical Catholic institution. Imagine how over the line Paul Ryan must have gone for them to even think of writing this:

"However, we would be remiss in our duty to you and our students if we did not challenge your continuing misuse of Catholic teaching to defend a budget plan that decimates food programs for struggling families, radically weakens protections for the elderly and sick, and gives more tax breaks to the wealthiest few. As the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has wisely noted in several letters to Congress - "a just framework for future budgets cannot rely on disproportionate cuts in essential services to poor persons." Catholic bishops recently wrote that "the House-passed budget resolution fails to meet these moral criteria."

In short, your budget appears to reflect the values of your favorite philosopher, Ayn Rand, rather than the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Her call to selfishness and her antagonism toward religion are antithetical to the Gospel values of compassion and love."
 
2012-08-24 03:32:30 PM  

coeyagi: All your meek are belong to us.


Tea Party: All our base are belong to derp.
 
2012-08-24 03:33:24 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: mrshowrules: DammitIForgotMyLogin: Tax cuts for kiddy fiddlers?

good call.

Ryan's policies are informed by the largest pedophile supporting organization in the world.

the boy scouts?


The Boy Scouts are heavily supported by the Church. The Boy Scouts have tenants that make it so that Homosexuals and Atheists cannot be Scouts.

Here's a citation in case you needed one.
 
2012-08-24 03:35:16 PM  
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2012-08-24 03:36:06 PM  
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WHAT?
 
2012-08-24 03:36:26 PM  

degenerate-afro: TrollingForColumbine: mrshowrules: DammitIForgotMyLogin: Tax cuts for kiddy fiddlers?

good call.

Ryan's policies are informed by the largest pedophile supporting organization in the world.

the boy scouts?

The Boy Scouts are heavily supported by the Church. The Boy Scouts have tenants that make it so that Homosexuals and Atheists cannot be Scouts.

Here's a citation in case you needed one.


The group that supports the Scouts the most is the Mormons, however.
 
2012-08-24 03:36:43 PM  
Wow. It takes an impressive douchebag of a republican to lose the catholic bishops. They're crazy, man.

/Which is why most regular catholics ignore them.
//Worst kept secret.
 
2012-08-24 03:37:03 PM  
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2012-08-24 03:37:19 PM  

coeyagi: All your meek are belong to us.


It's nice that they're getting something. They've had a hell of a time.
 
2012-08-24 03:38:29 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-08-24 03:38:39 PM  

skullkrusher: umm, no it isn't Paulie. See, while the CC does have your back with issues like gay marriage and abortion they are the most socialisty socialists ever to socialize when it comes to issues of economics


To be fair, Archbishop Dolan has his back. Apparently he and Ryan are personal friends and it is causing some minor tension about how close his words are coming to a formal endorsement, and what that would mean for the Conference of Catholic Bishops as an organization.

One example is Dolan plans on breaking tradition and will be traveling to Florida to attend the RNC and offer the closing prayer instead of letting the local bishop do so. He's also said how much he's looking forward to seeing what a Romney/Ryan administration would be like. Nothing major, but a couple Catholic publications have reported on it.
 
2012-08-24 03:39:40 PM  
Well, it's nice to see that Ryan has fit right into Team Romney by saying things that are galactically stupid.
 
2012-08-24 03:39:49 PM  

Grungehamster: skullkrusher: umm, no it isn't Paulie. See, while the CC does have your back with issues like gay marriage and abortion they are the most socialisty socialists ever to socialize when it comes to issues of economics

To be fair, Archbishop Dolan has his back. Apparently he and Ryan are personal friends and it is causing some minor tension about how close his words are coming to a formal endorsement, and what that would mean for the Conference of Catholic Bishops as an organization.

One example is Dolan plans on breaking tradition and will be traveling to Florida to attend the RNC and offer the closing prayer instead of letting the local bishop do so. He's also said how much he's looking forward to seeing what a Romney/Ryan administration would be like. Nothing major, but a couple Catholic publications have reported on it.


Dolan is a dickbag. I am sure his support of Ryan comes from the social conservative aspect. Unless Dolan just really hates JP2 for some reason
 
2012-08-24 03:40:09 PM  
Not so sure this is a route the Catholic Bishops want to take. I'm thinkin it will backfire when people start learning what Catholicism really is about. I imagine between transsubstantiation and "it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of god" there's no one left. Not even the pope himself.
 
2012-08-24 03:43:12 PM  

Dalrint: Wow. It takes an impressive douchebag of a republican to lose the catholic bishops. They're crazy, man.

/Which is why most regular catholics ignore them.
//Worst kept secret.


Don't be silly, he didn't lose the bishops. In the past, the bishops declared abortion was the only issue that mattered. Sure lots of poor people will starve and old people lose health care but whatevs, abortion is the only relevant issue. Last I heard, the most important issue facing the Catholic Church is businesses being forced to provide insurance that includes contraception Churches being forced to subsidize whores fornicating. No seriously, if I wasn't lazy I'd pull the link up, the Catholic Church declared that issue to be some years long major initiative they were going after.
 
2012-08-24 03:47:38 PM  

lennavan: Not so sure this is a route the Catholic Bishops want to take. I'm thinkin it will backfire when people start learning what Catholicism really is about. I imagine between transsubstantiation and "it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of god" there's no one left. Not even the pope himself.


If we're managing to avoid most of the anti-Mormon whisper campaigns of this election I doubt the Catholics have too much to worry about: most evangelical screeds about "papists" died out after the Kennedy boys were gone.

That said, expect some discomfort if Bobby Jindal runs and people decide to point out he claims to have helped preform an exorcism before.
 
2012-08-24 03:48:03 PM  

coeyagi: degenerate-afro: TrollingForColumbine: mrshowrules: DammitIForgotMyLogin: Tax cuts for kiddy fiddlers?

good call.

Ryan's policies are informed by the largest pedophile supporting organization in the world.

the boy scouts?

The Boy Scouts are heavily supported by the Church. The Boy Scouts have tenants that make it so that Homosexuals and Atheists cannot be Scouts.

Here's a citation in case you needed one.

The group that supports the Scouts the most is the Mormons, however.


True, but my point was that The Boy Scouts can't beat out The Church as "largest pedophile supporting organization in the world" since they are pretty much a subset of The Church.
 
2012-08-24 03:50:59 PM  

lennavan: Dalrint: Wow. It takes an impressive douchebag of a republican to lose the catholic bishops. They're crazy, man.

/Which is why most regular catholics ignore them.
//Worst kept secret.

Don't be silly, he didn't lose the bishops. In the past, the bishops declared abortion was the only issue that mattered. Sure lots of poor people will starve and old people lose health care but whatevs, abortion is the only relevant issue. Last I heard, the most important issue facing the Catholic Church is businesses being forced to provide insurance that includes contraception Churches being forced to subsidize whores fornicating. No seriously, if I wasn't lazy I'd pull the link up, the Catholic Church declared that issue to be some years long major initiative they were going after.


But you have to admit, that the orders that come down on from high from the catholic church are repeatedly ignored in America. American Catholicism is perhaps one of the most hypocritical, take whatever you want ignore the rest, religions in this country. I have loads of extended family trees of catholics that take birth control, don't believe that abortion is wrong, and go to church on Christmas and Easter.

I personally blame the large cultural institution of catholicism. You can cling to its trappings and community and ignore the dogma and still call yourself catholic. People almost have a perverse pride in how BAD they are at being catholic.
 
2012-08-24 03:53:10 PM  

Esc7: lennavan: Dalrint: Wow. It takes an impressive douchebag of a republican to lose the catholic bishops. They're crazy, man.

/Which is why most regular catholics ignore them.
//Worst kept secret.

Don't be silly, he didn't lose the bishops. In the past, the bishops declared abortion was the only issue that mattered. Sure lots of poor people will starve and old people lose health care but whatevs, abortion is the only relevant issue. Last I heard, the most important issue facing the Catholic Church is businesses being forced to provide insurance that includes contraception Churches being forced to subsidize whores fornicating. No seriously, if I wasn't lazy I'd pull the link up, the Catholic Church declared that issue to be some years long major initiative they were going after.

But you have to admit, that the orders that come down on from high from the catholic church are repeatedly ignored in America. American Catholicism is perhaps one of the most hypocritical, take whatever you want ignore the rest, religions in this country. I have loads of extended family trees of catholics that take birth control, don't believe that abortion is wrong, and go to church on Christmas and Easter.

I personally blame the large cultural institution of catholicism. You can cling to its trappings and community and ignore the dogma and still call yourself catholic. People almost have a perverse pride in how BAD they are at being catholic.


They're also sure to be the first to complain about "Cafeteria Catholics" if they find out a member of the congregation is pro-choice.
 
2012-08-24 03:54:52 PM  

Lost Thought 00: "My budget is heavily informed by my Catholic faith"

So he IS pro-rape


Only legitimate rape...if it's retroactive
 
2012-08-24 03:58:20 PM  

coeyagi: All your meek are belong to us.


interesting little fact about Jesus promising that "The meek" would inherit the earth. The early Greek translations of the bible are in a form of Greek that Alexander and his soliders made the lingua Franca of the Mideast. In that form of Greek, the word translated into English as "meek" is the same one that was used to describe a horse that had been properly trained enough to be used in battle. A horse was said to be "meek" if you could pass a lit torch (horses are naturally terrified of fire) in front of its eyes, down its neck and under its belly without the horse flinching or moving at all.

Thus the better translation of Jesus's bequest if "blessed are those who stand thier ground no matter what, they shall inherit the earth"
 
2012-08-24 03:58:43 PM  
New Testament: "I say to you - if a poor man asks for your jacket, give him also the shirt off your back."
Ryan budget: "Raise taxes to feed the poor? What am I, a socialist?"

New Testament: "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and render unto god that which is god's."
Ryan budget: "Render unto rich people the tax cuts, and render unto the job creators more tax cuts."

New Testament: "I say to you - it is harder for a rich man to get into heaven than it is for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle."
Ryan budget: "It is harder for a rich man to only pay his fair share than it is for a Sopwith Camel to bullseye brown people."
 
2012-08-24 03:58:45 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand. And the fight we are in here, make no mistake about it, is a fight of individualism versus collectivism."


Just like Jesus said.
 
2012-08-24 04:06:24 PM  

Magorn: coeyagi: All your meek are belong to us.

interesting little fact about Jesus promising that "The meek" would inherit the earth. The early Greek translations of the bible are in a form of Greek that Alexander and his soliders made the lingua Franca of the Mideast. In that form of Greek, the word translated into English as "meek" is the same one that was used to describe a horse that had been properly trained enough to be used in battle. A horse was said to be "meek" if you could pass a lit torch (horses are naturally terrified of fire) in front of its eyes, down its neck and under its belly without the horse flinching or moving at all.

Thus the better translation of Jesus's bequest if "blessed are those who stand thier ground no matter what, they shall inherit the earth"


That's incredibly interesting. Completely turns the modern usage meaning on its head.
 
2012-08-24 04:12:23 PM  

degenerate-afro: coeyagi: degenerate-afro: TrollingForColumbine: mrshowrules: DammitIForgotMyLogin: Tax cuts for kiddy fiddlers?

good call.

Ryan's policies are informed by the largest pedophile supporting organization in the world.

the boy scouts?

The Boy Scouts are heavily supported by the Church. The Boy Scouts have tenants that make it so that Homosexuals and Atheists cannot be Scouts.

Here's a citation in case you needed one.

The group that supports the Scouts the most is the Mormons, however.

True, but my point was that The Boy Scouts can't beat out The Church as "largest pedophile supporting organization in the world" since they are pretty much a subset of The Church.


Um, no. That's pretty incorrect. They aren't a subset of anything. They get funding from a disparate set of churches, and they also get funding elsewhere like from the United Way. Some units are not sponsored by any church whatsoever, and even those that are do not have to subscribe to any specific religion but rather must have a faith that is monotheistic (or at least fake their way through it as many have done). But yes several million (Scouts) can't beat a billion (Catholics), just look at it that way. Or rather, look at how each is not coed (at the leadership or membership level) and you'll see that a quick fix is one policy change away.
 
2012-08-24 04:20:26 PM  
Is he saying he's creating law in respect to a religion?
 
2012-08-24 04:43:13 PM  

Esc7: lennavan: Dalrint: Wow. It takes an impressive douchebag of a republican to lose the catholic bishops. They're crazy, man.

/Which is why most regular catholics ignore them.
//Worst kept secret.

Don't be silly, he didn't lose the bishops. In the past, the bishops declared abortion was the only issue that mattered. Sure lots of poor people will starve and old people lose health care but whatevs, abortion is the only relevant issue. Last I heard, the most important issue facing the Catholic Church is businesses being forced to provide insurance that includes contraception Churches being forced to subsidize whores fornicating. No seriously, if I wasn't lazy I'd pull the link up, the Catholic Church declared that issue to be some years long major initiative they were going after.

But you have to admit, that the orders that come down on from high from the catholic church are repeatedly ignored in America. American Catholicism is perhaps one of the most hypocritical, take whatever you want ignore the rest, religions in this country. I have loads of extended family trees of catholics that take birth control, don't believe that abortion is wrong, and go to church on Christmas and Easter.

I personally blame the large cultural institution of catholicism. You can cling to its trappings and community and ignore the dogma and still call yourself catholic. People almost have a perverse pride in how BAD they are at being catholic.


Oh for sure. That was the point of my other post. But I don't see it as ignored, I see it as ignorance. People aren't ignoring chuch doctrine, rather they are unaware of what it actually means and what the actual consequences are. I think if people realized according to their own church they were all going to hell they might stop going.

lennavan: Not so sure this is a route the Catholic Bishops want to take. I'm thinkin it will backfire when people start learning what Catholicism really is about.


No one would be sitting in the Catholic pews if they knew what Catholicism actually teaches.
 
2012-08-24 04:53:35 PM  

Magorn: coeyagi: All your meek are belong to us.

Thus the better translation of Jesus's bequest if "blessed are those who stand thier ground no matter what, they shall inherit the earth"


It has more to do with controlling your inner desires and following the words of Christ then strength. If someone is a mean person, Christ says be kind, so if he is kind he is meek since he is controlling is natural urges. Standing your ground in faith.
 
2012-08-24 04:54:40 PM  
I distinctly recall the pro-life Catholic brigade ignoring the Pope's opposition to the war in Iraq.
/single issue voters only have room enough in their feeble minds for a single issue
 
2012-08-24 05:06:52 PM  
From this thread about Paul Ryan renouncing Any Rand:

So, Paul Ryan says:"If somebody is going to try to paste a person's view on epistemology to me, then give me Thomas Aquinas," who believed that man needs divine help in the pursuit of knowledge. "Don't give me Ayn Rand,"

If you do a Google search for "Thomas Aquinas the poor," and do a little cross-referencing, you can find this in under 3 minutes:

On the contrary, In cases of need all things are common property, so that there would seem to be no sin in taking another's property, for need has made it common.

I answer that, Things which are of human right cannot derogate from natural right or Divine right. Now according to the natural order established by Divine Providence, inferior things are ordained for the purpose of succoring man's needs by their means. Wherefore the division and appropriation of things which are based on human law, do not preclude the fact that man's needs have to be remedied by means of these very things. Hence whatever certain people have in superabundance is due, by natural law, to the purpose of succoring the poor. For this reason Ambrose says, and his words are embodied in the Decretals (Dist. xlvii, can. Sicut ii): "It is the hungry man's bread that you withhold, the naked man's cloak that you store away, the money that you bury in the earth is the price of the poor man's ransom and freedom."
-Summa Theologica, Question 66

Let that sink in for a moment.
 

(Several typos fixed.)
 
2012-08-24 05:08:10 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: From this thread about Paul Ryan renouncing Any Rand:


Ayn! Ayn! I give up. I need to run my posts by a copy editor or something.
 
2012-08-24 05:37:40 PM  

coeyagi: Um, no. That's pretty incorrect. They aren't a subset of anything. They get funding from a disparate set of churches, and they also get funding elsewhere like from the United Way. Some units are not sponsored by any church whatsoever, and even those that are do not have to subscribe to any specific religion but rather must have a faith that is monotheistic (or at least fake their way through it as many have done). But yes several million (Scouts) can't beat a billion (Catholics), just look at it that way. Or rather, look at how each is not coed (at the leadership or membership level) and you'll see that a quick fix is one policy change away.


I am well aware of where the BSA receives funding. I linked to the citation of where the Scouts funding comes from in my Boobies. If you believe that the Church is a completely separate institution that doesn't have a say in the daily operations of the Boy Scouts, then I would have to say that you have never worked with the Boy Scouts before (something I did for several years). They most certainly operate off of the principal of "If the Church tells us to jump, we jump. The only question that should be asked is 'was that high enough?'"

Now it's true that's not the case globally. Also local troops fields the requests of their local sponsor, whether it's a religious institution or not. However the BSA in general teaches the tenants of the Church as part of their Scouts law. The US Scout's law is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent. Even if you look outside of the US, many of the Scouting organizations around the world include religious piety in their Scout's Law. The one I can think of off the top of my head that does not is Japan which replaces Reverent with "Thankful".
 
2012-08-24 05:38:44 PM  
FTA: ""It's a very good example of how it's hard to find a politician who irrevocably matches everything the church teaches and holds," said Daniel Finn, a professor of theology and economics at St. John's University in Minnesota."

That's the problem. When you are sympathetic person like Biden can be, you are not just sympathetic to the poor (social issues) but with everyone, (women health issues and gay issues). And when you are not a sympathetic person like Ryan, you are usually not sympathetic towards anyone (gay issues and women issues) or like in this case, the poor (social issues).

And Ryan has been hanging out with Protestants for far too long if he thinks he can speak for the Catholic church over actual church officials. You can't pull the "Jesus wants me to be rich" shtick and ignore the Bishops when they say, "That's not what he said at all."
 
2012-08-24 05:40:26 PM  

skullkrusher: umm, no it isn't Paulie. See, while the CC does have your back with issues like gay marriage and abortion they are the most socialisty socialists ever to socialize when it comes to issues of economics


Word up!

People need to remember that much of the New Deal legislation was inspired by the writings of Monsignor John Ryan, author of "The Living Wage" and "The Bishops' Program of Social Reconstruction." I can't find the citation, but FRD used to quote from one of the social encyclicals in speeches during his first presidential campaign. Catholic Social Teaching has been the antithesis to conservative economic and foreign policy ideas, which is why William Buckley through the Church under the bus ("Mater Si, Magistra No," or something like that).

So also: Economic Justice for All.

Link
 
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