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2012-08-24 10:42:59 AM  

Lost Thought 00: 4 shot, but not killed. Shooter dead. Aren't more people shot on a day-to-day basis in NYC? Or is this just an issue because it was rich white people?


Everything that happens in New York is more important. Because people in New York are more important. Objects are too. Wounding 4 people and chipping the Empire State building with bulletes is roughly the newsworthy equivalent of fire bombing Des Moines then backfilling the Grand Canyon.
 
2012-08-24 10:43:03 AM  
I think these mass shootings have more to do with political climate than gun control issues. The media, in this election year, simply perpetuates hatred and encourages violence by using rhetoric to divide us. The outcome is that everyone hates everyone else that isn't exactly like them. All this propaganda has made it so we're all angry and anxious all the time.

The media should promote peace through compromise, and the candidates need to do the same. That is our only way out.

My opinion.
 
2012-08-24 10:43:07 AM  

FreakinB: I just got calls from both my mom and my girlfriend asking me if I was at work. At first I was like, yeah, why wouldn't I be?


My sister did the same thing. She texted me. Apparently, she thinks the city is just one two-block radius.
 
2012-08-24 10:43:29 AM  

mark12A: LineNoise: Anyway, those arguing that gun control laws contributed to this in either direction are idiots. There were probably thousands of people on that street when he came out the door. If even a few of them started shooting in return, you would have had a lot more people hit.

HWC:WHOA BUDDY

I've been assured that can never happen. That's not how bullets work or something.

No, the way it works is deterrence. If the potential gunman knew there was a substantial chance that the boss or co-workers would whip out a gun and shoot him if he tried a workplace shooting, he wouldn't try in the first place.


Uh huh. He knew there were about 100 cops in the area with guns and he was still shooting outside. Why didn't that deter him?
 
2012-08-24 10:43:29 AM  

CAADbury: Coco LaFemme: can we PLEASE have discussion about reasonable gun control in this farking country?

Sure, I'll start: New York City has an outright ban on guns. Did that prevent this from happening? Are those gun control policies reasonable?


We have 50 servers and have virus protection on one of them. That server got a virus today so that proves protection doesn't work.
 
2012-08-24 10:43:31 AM  
Homicide is the third leading cause of workplace fatalaties, according to the Bureau of Workplace Statistics, behind onlt traffic accidents and falls.
 
2012-08-24 10:43:34 AM  

mark12A: LineNoise: Anyway, those arguing that gun control laws contributed to this in either direction are idiots. There were probably thousands of people on that street when he came out the door. If even a few of them started shooting in return, you would have had a lot more people hit.

HWC:WHOA BUDDY

I've been assured that can never happen. That's not how bullets work or something.

No, the way it works is deterrence. If the potential gunman knew there was a substantial chance that the boss or co-workers would whip out a gun and shoot him if he tried a workplace shooting, he wouldn't try in the first place.


Yea, because the type of guy who decides he is going to shoot his boss in probably the most heavily policed block in the god damn country is the type of person who will think things through rationally like that.

If this guy had any remote thought that he was getting out of this alive, he is completely bonkers.
 
2012-08-24 10:43:47 AM  
Quick everyone start acting like an authority on gun, the demographics of Manhattan, and the laws of the city and state of New York! Hurry!
 
2012-08-24 10:44:00 AM  
In before the mag/clip and gun porn posts!
 
2012-08-24 10:44:22 AM  
Editor: Hey, we need 150 words on this story immediately. Can you manage that?

Writer: Sure. {types furiously}. Damn. Only one hundred words? Hmm. Need more information relevant to the story... Ah!

{opens Wikipedia}

"The Empire State Building is one of the most famous skyscrapers in the world, and one of New York City's best-known tourist attractions.

Each year, about 4 million people visit the building's two observation decks. At more than 1,453 feet tall, the landmark building reaches more than a quarter-mile into the sky."

Writer: 150 words! I'm killin' it!
 
2012-08-24 10:44:26 AM  
Wow, it really was another angry white male.

I have white friends, so I wont let this event define them.
 
2012-08-24 10:44:45 AM  

EyeballKid: Hope you're happy, Wayne LaPierre.


What was Mr. LaPierre's involvement in the incident?
 
2012-08-24 10:44:53 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: mark12A: LineNoise: Anyway, those arguing that gun control laws contributed to this in either direction are idiots. There were probably thousands of people on that street when he came out the door. If even a few of them started shooting in return, you would have had a lot more people hit.

HWC:WHOA BUDDY

I've been assured that can never happen. That's not how bullets work or something.

No, the way it works is deterrence. If the potential gunman knew there was a substantial chance that the boss or co-workers would whip out a gun and shoot him if he tried a workplace shooting, he wouldn't try in the first place.

Uh huh. He knew there were about 100 cops in the area with guns and he was still shooting outside. Why didn't that deter him?




Also, having a gun doesn't make you bulletproof. All he really needs is to shoot first.
 
2012-08-24 10:45:00 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Incorrect.


I stand corrected! Please forgive my earlier mis-statements regarding New York City's gun regs.
 
2012-08-24 10:45:07 AM  

namegoeshere: Homicide is the third leading cause of workplace fatalaties, according to the Bureau of Workplace Statistics, behind onlt traffic accidents and falls.


What if you kill somebody buy pushing them off a roof into heavy traffic?
 
2012-08-24 10:45:14 AM  
We had an event earlier this summer where a dumbass blocked the left lane on the freeway, apparently intentionally farked with a guy in a truck trying to get past (in some little POS Honda) then when pressed ran the guy off the road into the median, pulled out his gun and fired it.

Guns, is there anything they can't solve?

Dumbass (new window)
 
2012-08-24 10:45:33 AM  

JerseyTim: Good news, everyone. The Hipster Cop is on the scene:
[gothamist.com image 640x478]
He'll take care of everything.


He was investigating the bodies before they were cool.
 
2012-08-24 10:45:35 AM  

I Said: It's nice to see The Dark Knight Rises is still selling tickets


www.internationalhero.co.uk

"Batman? Pfeh. Amateur."
 
2012-08-24 10:45:38 AM  
i290.photobucket.com

i290.photobucket.com

So right, it is wrong.
 
2012-08-24 10:45:38 AM  
At such an iconic place, too.

Maybe there's something after all to a conspiracy behind these recent mass shootings aimed at taking away the right to bear arms.

/tinfoil
 
2012-08-24 10:45:48 AM  

Gunny Highway: Quick everyone start acting like an authority on gun, the demographics of Manhattan, and the laws of the city and state of New York! Hurry!


Well, does anyone know what this guy was armed with?

NYC has handgun permits, no? I mean, they're made to be incredibly hard to get, but that didn't do much here. Neither did the state's ban on "assault weapons".

/Good lord I hate that term...
 
2012-08-24 10:46:50 AM  

CAADbury: Gun nuts may believe that, but I'd rather talk about the fact that gun laws don't work at preventing gun-related crime (or crime in general).


Huh... I've read that Britain has had it's incidents of shooting decline for 7 years running now. Seems the evidence is against you. Perhaps you meant to say that "don't prevent them entirely"? Because they do seem to lower the number of incidents consistently.

Not saying that we should rush ahead to ban guns... just saying that you don't seem accurate at all.
 
2012-08-24 10:46:52 AM  

LarryDan43: 10 shot in NY! OMG! 19 shot overnight in Chicago, Meh.


Lone nutjob hating random people v a long standing drug war with only the combatants (or their families, sadly) involved.
 
2012-08-24 10:46:56 AM  

sweetmelissa31: 10 people were shot but let's talk about how I am oppressed by gun laws


What? Like the notoriously strict ones in New York City? Are those the ones that you hope can save you from ebil guns?
 
2012-08-24 10:47:25 AM  

mark12A: LineNoise: Anyway, those arguing that gun control laws contributed to this in either direction are idiots. There were probably thousands of people on that street when he came out the door. If even a few of them started shooting in return, you would have had a lot more people hit.

HWC:WHOA BUDDY

I've been assured that can never happen. That's not how bullets work or something.

No, the way it works is deterrence. If the potential gunman knew there was a substantial chance that the boss or co-workers would whip out a gun and shoot him if he tried a workplace shooting, he wouldn't try in the first place.


What do you base that on? Most shooters are doing it while not completely in their right mind for one reason or another. Also, many are killed by cops. You don't think they'd know police would respond to a shooting and I don't know, shoot him? If he wanted to shoot his boss or co-workers, chances are he would take them out before they could get a shot off, or at least take a few out before they took him out. It wouldn't prevent anything.

If you know of researching backing up your position, please cite it.
 
2012-08-24 10:47:27 AM  

CAADbury: Coco LaFemme: can we PLEASE have discussion about reasonable gun control in this farking country?

Sure, I'll start: New York City has an outright ban on guns. Did that prevent this from happening? Are those gun control policies reasonable?


Oh yay. Another thread where we get to have this same debate because of one incident that's probably isolated.

In any case, guns just aren't a huge part of life up here. At least not to the degree that it is in other areas. Sure there's issues with violent crime, but most people I know aren't keeping a gun rack and going shooting. And I can understand the need for stricter rules in such a densely-populated area, though sometimes they do go too far.
 
2012-08-24 10:47:28 AM  

sid244: [i290.photobucket.com image 850x690]

[i290.photobucket.com image 850x696]

So right, it is wrong.


What the fark does 5 wounded and 10 injured even mean?????
 
2012-08-24 10:47:48 AM  
Did James Dolan finally lose it?
 
2012-08-24 10:47:55 AM  
Clearly we need to make guns legal in NYC so that random strangers can open fire on the suspect on a crowded street during rush hour. Bullets in these situations only hit bad guys and every legal gun owner is a marksman in combat situations and follows proper gun safety. The End.

/yes making them illegal doesn't work either. We have a violence problem in the US. Guns are just the easy way of carrying that out.
 
2012-08-24 10:48:05 AM  
If only everyone had been armed with fully automatic rifles, grenade launchers, anti-personnel mines, and mortars, this would never have happened!
 
2012-08-24 10:48:08 AM  

SomethingWitty84: Whar are all the concealed carriers that could've stopped this? WHAR!?

/they're at home, commenting on the story


It's New York. Only the criminals have guns.
 
2012-08-24 10:48:13 AM  
Silly humans, how are all your "laws" working out for you now?
 
2012-08-24 10:48:14 AM  
I dont know why I feel I need to point this out, but you can always find rational discussion on reddit when these things happen instead of the retardfest known as fark.

Link
 
2012-08-24 10:48:20 AM  

frenchcheesemuseum: I think these mass shootings have more to do with political climate than gun control issues. The media, in this election year, simply perpetuates hatred and encourages violence by using rhetoric to divide us. The outcome is that everyone hates everyone else that isn't exactly like them. All this propaganda has made it so we're all angry and anxious all the time.

The media should promote peace through compromise, and the candidates need to do the same. That is our only way out.

My opinion.


And a very good opinion it is.

I also think we should spend a boatload more on mental health in this country. If everyone were a bit less hopeless and a bit more connected to reality, we'd see these sorts of incidents dwindle to near nothing, not seem to be escalating.
 
2012-08-24 10:48:24 AM  
The Muthaship

Can we fly in a podunk sheriff to determine whether this is domestic terrorism?

Yes, "podunk sheriffs" are to blame


i.telegraph.co.uk
Nadal Malik Hasan
13 people dead and 29 others wounded as "work place violence."



ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com
podunk?
 
2012-08-24 10:48:26 AM  

Marine1: Gunny Highway: Quick everyone start acting like an authority on gun, the demographics of Manhattan, and the laws of the city and state of New York! Hurry!

Well, does anyone know what this guy was armed with?

NYC has handgun permits, no? I mean, they're made to be incredibly hard to get, but that didn't do much here. Neither did the state's ban on "assault weapons".

/Good lord I hate that term...


Are you people infants? I don't get it. Do you decry theft laws because they haven't magically stopped theft?
 
2012-08-24 10:48:31 AM  
i came here for the 'causality' corrections. please don't disappoint me, people.
 
2012-08-24 10:48:32 AM  

mikaloyd: What? Like the notoriously strict ones in New York City? Are those the ones that you hope can save you from ebil guns?


Yes, you are the victim.
 
2012-08-24 10:48:33 AM  

seadoo2006: What the fark does 5 wounded and 10 injured even mean?????


It means you're reading something that emanated from a Rupert Murdoch publication.
 
2012-08-24 10:48:35 AM  
Isn't. It difficult to own a gu in Nyc.
 
2012-08-24 10:48:45 AM  

EyeballKid: Hope you're happy, Wayne LaPierre.


nice, I can now blame the head of the gays and Obama for Bradly Manning screwing the nation over with his gay self.
 
2012-08-24 10:48:47 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: namegoeshere: Homicide is the third leading cause of workplace fatalaties, according to the Bureau of Workplace Statistics, behind onlt traffic accidents and falls.

What if you kill somebody buy pushing them off a roof into heavy traffic?


BONUS POINTS!
 
2012-08-24 10:48:58 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: LineNoise: Anyway, those arguing that gun control laws contributed to this in either direction are idiots. There were probably thousands of people on that street when he came out the door. If even a few of them started shooting in return, you would have had a lot more people hit.

WHOA BUDDY

I've been assured that can never happen. That's not how bullets work or something.


A civilian could hypothetically accidentally set his or her PVP flag.
 
2012-08-24 10:49:11 AM  

Marine1: Gunny Highway: Quick everyone start acting like an authority on gun, the demographics of Manhattan, and the laws of the city and state of New York! Hurry!

Well, does anyone know what this guy was armed with?

NYC has handgun permits, no? I mean, they're made to be incredibly hard to get, but that didn't do much here. Neither did the state's ban on "assault weapons".

/Good lord I hate that term...


Concealed carry is for all intents and purposes impossible to get in NYC. A handgun permit for your home or business is tougher than it is in other places, but is possible to get. If you have a clean record and really really want one, the average person can get it.
 
2012-08-24 10:49:14 AM  

sid244: [i290.photobucket.com image 850x690]

[i290.photobucket.com image 850x696]

So right, it is wrong.


i.imgur.com

All of the news, none of the EVERYBODY PANIC.
 
2012-08-24 10:49:16 AM  

CAADbury: Vegan Meat Popsicle: How many more shootings do we have to have in this country before people finally accept that we must have more guns?

/ this is what gun nuts actually believe

Gun nuts may believe that, but I'd rather talk about the fact that gun laws don't work at preventing gun-related crime (or crime in general).


You mean apart from the fact that with fewer guns available there will be less gun-related crime?
You'll never eradicate crime of any sort but you can reduce the number of incidents. For example, the UK has significantly less gun-related crime that the USA but that's not to say there is none just because carrying guns is illegal.

Still, I'm always baffled by the gun lobby's shouts of "for our defence" when these "man goes crazy with guns" stories appear because I can't recall a single one of them where the perpetrator was stopped by a regular person carrying a gun.
 
2012-08-24 10:49:19 AM  

seadoo2006: sid244: [i290.photobucket.com image 850x690]

[i290.photobucket.com image 850x696]

So right, it is wrong.

What the fark does 5 wounded and 10 injured even mean?????


It means they used up all their mental power to come up with a title for the shooting, leaving nothing left for the actual reporting.
 
2012-08-24 10:49:24 AM  
I blame global warming
 
2012-08-24 10:49:25 AM  

Dimensio: JerseyTim: Good news, everyone. The Hipster Cop is on the scene:
[gothamist.com image 640x478]
He'll take care of everything.

He was investigating the bodies before they were cool.


LOL. Nice.
 
2012-08-24 10:49:44 AM  

odinsposse: The entire debate about gun control is if gun control laws are effective at stopping crime. This cartoon basically says "Well if you just assume I'm right that gun control curbs gun crime, then I'm right." It is a dumb cartoon and you're dumb for thinking it's a scathing criticism of gun rights advocates.


I like the cartoon for its accuracy. The gun debate is settled, but living in a gun culture means that when a guy goes crazy and starts attacking people, he kills 10 with a gun instead of 2 or 3 with an axe.

It's not about preventing crazy people from doing crazy things; it's about simple math. We have X number of crazy people who will go on killing sprees, and the access each crazy person has to weapons makes each person capable of killing Y people in each killing spree. X times Y equals the number of people who die in massacres committed by crazy people.
 
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