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2012-08-24 09:40:43 AM  
Not our problem anymor...hey wait a minute.
 
2012-08-24 10:16:22 AM  
It's nice to see The Dark Knight Rises is still selling tickets
 
2012-08-24 10:16:41 AM  
FTA: At 10 shot at Empire State Building
One man says he heard at least nine gunshots


Well I'd bloody well hope so
 
2012-08-24 10:16:45 AM  
Aye lass?
 
2012-08-24 10:17:11 AM  
At 10 shot at Empire State Building, authorities say

Nice proofreading, CNN.

/bet they fix it quick
 
2012-08-24 10:17:14 AM  
You need more guns when you have a problem with guns.
 
2012-08-24 10:17:17 AM  
Were they so excited they forgot to add "least" to the headline?
 
2012-08-24 10:17:18 AM  
What was their political beliefs. This is important
 
2012-08-24 10:17:26 AM  
My husband works at 34th and Park. He and most of his employees walk that way to work every day. Thankfully he's in CA today. We're hoping all his employees check in at some point.
 
2012-08-24 10:17:30 AM  
Only four random people were shot this time. boooring.
 
2012-08-24 10:17:34 AM  
He's going to be white, isn't he?
 
2012-08-24 10:17:35 AM  
best wishes go out to all the victims and their families.

NYC needs tougher gun laws.
 
2012-08-24 10:17:35 AM  
Another sad, sad story. My prayers go out ot the victims and their families.
 
2012-08-24 10:17:39 AM  
Won't somebody think of the New Yorkers?
 
2012-08-24 10:17:59 AM  

Warlordtrooper: What was their political beliefs. This is important


RON PAUL!
 
2012-08-24 10:18:07 AM  
Conspiracy angle: Exactly 4,000 days since 9/11/01.

Coincidence?
 
2012-08-24 10:18:10 AM  
Women in church are causing shootings?
 
2012-08-24 10:18:15 AM  
How are those strict gun laws working out for you Bloomberg? At least he couldn't throw a large soda on them.
 
2012-08-24 10:18:27 AM  

pinktaco4lunch: So one dead is a mass causality?


4 confirmed
 
2012-08-24 10:18:32 AM  
Mass casualty shootings happen every day in the inner cities

It's just that people only pay attention to or care about the ones that involve white people or middle class or higher people.
 
2012-08-24 10:18:40 AM  
Here comes all the "If they had guns laws in NY like in Texas, this wouldn't have happened" crap the next few days...
 
2012-08-24 10:18:52 AM  
Local reports are saying it wasn't AT the ESB, just across the street, and appears to have been a targeted hit type thing, and most of the injuries being people caught in the gunfight with cops.
 
2012-08-24 10:18:57 AM  
'Causality' is actually the right word, because The Onion already knew about this yesterday.

In case I don't get the greenlight: http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-celebrates-full-week-without-d eadly-mass-sh,29293/
 
2012-08-24 10:19:06 AM  
Where were the Avengers, Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, etc when you need them?
 
2012-08-24 10:19:06 AM  

pinktaco4lunch: So one dead is a mass causality?


I think someone being killed or injured counts as a casualty. So it really depends if you consider 10 to be a mass casualty.
 
2012-08-24 10:19:15 AM  
Since it's in NY, at least we'll have millions of Instagrammed photos to squint at
 
2012-08-24 10:19:17 AM  
Someone needs to post that "Tom Tomorrow" cartoon, where the penguin concedes how the NRA has won and we just need to come to grips with the fact that we're going to have mass shootings every so often.

/hoping for the best for my fellow New Yorkers
 
2012-08-24 10:19:26 AM  
FTFA:

"The shooter, distraught over his inability to obtain his morning coffee in a 20-ounce cup and frustrated in his efforts to locate baby formula for his wife..."

You're doing a heck of a job, Bloomie.
 
2012-08-24 10:19:26 AM  
If we all had guns, there would've only been ONE civilian shot.
 
2012-08-24 10:19:30 AM  
Can we fly in a podunk sheriff to determine whether this is domestic terrorism?
 
2012-08-24 10:19:30 AM  
You know guys, I'm starting to get a little tired of this.
 
2012-08-24 10:19:39 AM  

Warlordtrooper: What was their political beliefs. This is important


Fartb0ng0 is gunna tak ur gunz!
 
2012-08-24 10:19:46 AM  
Everyone Panic?
 
2012-08-24 10:19:54 AM  
Well I'll have to say I'm pretty shaken up. I walked pass there at 8:45 as I do everyday on the way to work from Penn station.

/I better lay off the coffee as I'm shaking enough already. Damn scary.
 
2012-08-24 10:19:57 AM  
Oddly enough, The Onion published this article yesterday (16 hours ago): http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-celebrates-full-week-without-d eadly-mass-sh,29293/

NEW YORK-Cheers filled the streets and American flags waved triumphantly through the air today as the nation turned out in full force to celebrate an entire week having passed since the last time a madman opened fire on innocent civilians in some kind of fatal mass shooting. "We did it, folks! We banded together and managed to go seven whole days without killing our fellow Americans in a senseless murdering spree!" Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano said in a speech to jubilant throngs gathered in Times Square. "Yes, some people were shot this week, but not in a random, highly public, viscerally disturbing way and-most importantly-not all in one place, by one psychopath. Maybe one day we can live in a society where abominable large-scale gun violence stays out of the national headlines for a whole month even!" At press time, federal authorities had issued a reminder to all Americans that a lot can happen in 24 hours, "so let's not get too excited yet.

Quickest funny aneurysm moment in history?
 
2012-08-24 10:20:02 AM  
The most tragic thing about this is the discovery that the NY Times website can't handle the traffic this shooting has caused.

Oh, and the people who died, of course. If it really was an employee who just got fired and went postal, that farking sucks.
 
2012-08-24 10:20:17 AM  
OMG A woman mass shooter!
 
2012-08-24 10:20:25 AM  

Aarontology: Mass casualty shootings happen every day in the inner cities

It's just that people only pay attention to or care about the ones that involve white people or middle class or higher people.


I lived in NYC for a long time. There were reports of shootings all the time but never "mass shootings"

Lots of stabbings.
 
2012-08-24 10:20:27 AM  

Aarontology: Mass casualty shootings happen every day in the inner cities

It's just that people only pay attention to or care about the ones that involve white people or middle class or higher people.


Largely true.

It's also an area that's heavily policed by "uniform cops" and cops in riot gear with semi-auto's.
 
2012-08-24 10:20:32 AM  
What the hell is wrong with people?? We can barely go a week without some horrific shooting spree somewhere. WTF??
 
2012-08-24 10:20:43 AM  
I call fake.

Everyone knows guns are illegal in New York City.
 
2012-08-24 10:20:44 AM  
Also more people have been shot in chicago since last night than what just happened.
 
2012-08-24 10:20:54 AM  

Aarontology: Mass casualty shootings happen every day in the inner cities

It's just that people only pay attention to or care about the ones that involve white people or middle class or higher people.


THIS!

/also, it was a woman shooter this time?
 
2012-08-24 10:20:55 AM  

LineNoise: Local reports are saying it wasn't AT the ESB, just across the street, and appears to have been a targeted hit type thing, and most of the injuries being people caught in the gunfight with cops.


You mean a firefight with an armed gunman can result in innocent bystanders getting shot? I don't believe it.
 
2012-08-24 10:20:56 AM  

ABC News is reporting the ESB shooting was a workplace dispute that spilled out onto the street.

- Paula Edgar, PGE LLC (@PaulaEdgar) August 24, 2012
 
2012-08-24 10:21:00 AM  
In before politicizing begins...oh, no, wait, nevermind.
 
2012-08-24 10:21:21 AM  
Suddenly have two thoughts. One is that the 1300 price tag of that small Kimber 45 ACP may not be so bad. Two is to go stock up on Ammo for my 9 mm.
 
2012-08-24 10:21:27 AM  
If everyone in NYC were heavily armed this would have never happened.
 
2012-08-24 10:21:34 AM  
The article mentions a Gunman...I hope it wasn't my uncle, Art Gunman, who lives in that area. He's prone to fits of rage when he's not on his medication.
 
2012-08-24 10:21:40 AM  
I see Obama's plot to take guns away from the American people is continuing.
 
2012-08-24 10:21:42 AM  

Richard Flaccid: OMG A woman mass shooter!


Palin DEMOLISHED the glass ceiling
 
2012-08-24 10:21:47 AM  

Gunny Highway: I lived in NYC for a long time. There were reports of shootings all the time but never "mass shootings"

Lots of stabbings.


Maybe not New York, but places like Philly, New Orleans, etc.

I Said: Largely true.

It's also an area that's heavily policed by "uniform cops" and cops in riot gear with semi-auto's.


That's one of the things that weirds me out when I go into NYC.
 
2012-08-24 10:21:54 AM  

angry_scientist: Aye lass?


And a bonnie lass she was!
 
2012-08-24 10:22:10 AM  

Walker: How are those strict gun laws working out for you Bloomberg? At least he couldn't throw a large soda on them.


Working pretty awesome, gun crime is low. Probably lower than where you live.
 
2012-08-24 10:22:20 AM  

Aarontology: Mass casualty shootings happen every day in the inner cities

It's just that people only pay attention to or care about the ones that involve white people or middle class or higher people NYC because ZOMG 9/11 TURRISTS!!.

 
2012-08-24 10:22:21 AM  
I'm so sick of this shiat.
 
2012-08-24 10:22:27 AM  

Walker: How are those strict gun laws working out for you Bloomberg? At least he couldn't throw a large soda on them.


I don't think you get that not everyone wants to carry a gun on them at all times, for the same reason no one wants to wear a helmet at all times.
 
2012-08-24 10:22:29 AM  
This will be an affair they'll remember.
 
2012-08-24 10:22:41 AM  

blur612: Conspiracy angle: Exactly 4,000 days since 9/11/01.

Coincidence?


And only 118 days until the apocalypse. Plus only 4,031 days until the ULTRA-apocalypse. Coincidence? I think not.

/ultra-apocalypse will have four times the damnation 
//you heard it here first
 
2012-08-24 10:22:44 AM  

Aarontology: Mass casualty shootings happen every day in the inner cities

It's just that people only pay attention to or care about the ones that involve white people or middle class or higher people.


People don't open fire on pedestrians in midtown Manhattan every day. Shut the fark up.
 
2012-08-24 10:23:02 AM  
If these people were armed, they would have been bulletproof. It's science.
 
2012-08-24 10:23:11 AM  
thismodernworld.com
 
2012-08-24 10:23:11 AM  
A large ape was seen limping away.
 
2012-08-24 10:23:21 AM  
Sure glad NYC has those strong gun-control laws.
 
2012-08-24 10:23:23 AM  
I worked there for 7 years until I moved upstate. Now I have a reason to be glad I moved to Binghamton.

/Take away people's soda and trans fats and this is what happens, Bloomberg
 
2012-08-24 10:23:27 AM  
At 10 shot at Empire State Building, authorities say

www.lakeandtheriver.com
 
2012-08-24 10:23:43 AM  
I'm starting to worry a couple of my coworkers might snap soon. How much is Kevlar?
 
2012-08-24 10:23:45 AM  

Aarontology: Mass casualty shootings happen every day in the inner cities

It's just that people only pay attention to or care about the ones that involve white people or middle class or higher people.


Not necessarily; it's just so common among some "peoples" that they simply don't make the news anymore.
 
2012-08-24 10:23:52 AM  

BunkoSquad: Since it's in NY, at least we'll have millions of Instagrammed photos to squint at


No, Midtown is too mainstream for the hipsters.
 
2012-08-24 10:23:52 AM  

NeoBad: Suddenly have two thoughts. One is that the 1300 price tag of that small Kimber 45 ACP may not be so bad. Two is to go stock up on Ammo for my 9 mm.


UGH, please not a 1911 variant. 8+1 is a pretty paltry capacity nowadays.

Though, I suppose, once you're out of ammo, you can always throw the super carry pro at the bad guys. makes a pretty good blunt force instrument.
 
2012-08-24 10:23:53 AM  
I'm sure the elevator guy who chased the gunman will get fired for violating some HR policy.
 
2012-08-24 10:24:00 AM  

imtheonlylp: If we all had guns, there would've only been ONE civilian shot.


No, you're wrong. even more people would have been shot.
 
2012-08-24 10:24:01 AM  

Silly Jesus: He's going to be white, isn't he?


Who said it was a he?

/it's a he, and he's white. I'd put money on that.
 
2012-08-24 10:24:04 AM  
I wonder how long before Bloomberg wants to ban not only all firearms possession, but hollow plastic tubes longer than 5 inches (aka straws) just in case.
 
2012-08-24 10:24:14 AM  
Two guys in a car shot 8 people in Chicago last night. 6 of the 8 were teenagers.


Step it up, New York.
 
2012-08-24 10:24:14 AM  
shooting?

In NY?

I thought they had strict gun laws?
 
2012-08-24 10:24:18 AM  

Carth: LineNoise: Local reports are saying it wasn't AT the ESB, just across the street, and appears to have been a targeted hit type thing, and most of the injuries being people caught in the gunfight with cops.

You mean a firefight with an armed gunman can result in innocent bystanders getting shot? I don't believe it.


Yea there is always a hercules team hanging out around the ESB. Basically cops in full military gear with heavy weapons. Pretty dumb place to pull out a gun if you don't have a deathwish, and an assload of people always hanging around to get caught in any kind of crossfire.
 
2012-08-24 10:24:19 AM  

LineNoise: most of the injuries being people caught in the gunfight with cops.


No, that can't be right, because an armed person responding to a crazed gunman will calmly and efficiently subdue the killer with one well-placed head shot, at least according to last month's issue of Internet Hero Fantasy Jerkoff Magazine.
 
2012-08-24 10:24:30 AM  

carrion_luggage: FTFA:

"The shooter, distraught over his inability to obtain his morning coffee in a 20-ounce cup and frustrated in his efforts to locate baby formula for his wife..."


Oh, well, then. Carry on, shooter. Completely justified.

/I wore the wrong shoes today. Aren't you glad I don't have weaponry?
 
2012-08-24 10:24:36 AM  
The gothamist is posting some graphic photos Link
 
2012-08-24 10:24:39 AM  
There are eight million stories in the naked city.

This is just one of them.


/sad
//will be repeated ad nauseum
 
2012-08-24 10:24:45 AM  

Aarontology: Gunny Highway: I lived in NYC for a long time. There were reports of shootings all the time but never "mass shootings"

Lots of stabbings.

Maybe not New York, but places like Philly, New Orleans, etc.


That is why it is news.
 
2012-08-24 10:24:48 AM  
Until recently, I almost never carried off duty as my Glock 26 is bulky and uncomfortable but I've changed my mind on that. I carry ALWAYS now. This shiat can happen anytime, anywhere.

And I'm not NRA gun-nut. Quite the opposite, actually.
 
2012-08-24 10:24:55 AM  

Blueintheballs: You need more guns when you have a problem with guns.


Guns have been around for over 100 years. This mass shooting thing seems pretty recent.

Maybe we should start looking into what's causing these crackpots to WANT to kill lots of people, rather than blaming the tool they do it with.
 
gja
2012-08-24 10:25:31 AM  
For the record, NYC has some of the MOST restrictive guns laws ANYWHERE.

"The more you squeeze, the more sand trickles through your fingers"
 
2012-08-24 10:25:39 AM  
And so the entropy begins to pick up speed...
 
2012-08-24 10:25:44 AM  
Thanks to all the Farkers who emailed me and asked if I was okay.

/I'm on the 78th floor and not shot
 
2012-08-24 10:25:52 AM  
It must be the heat.

I blame Global Warming.
 
2012-08-24 10:26:01 AM  

LineNoise: Also more people have been shot in chicago since last night than what just happened.


False equivalency is false.

More people died in the Holocaust than died of AIDS last year. Guess AIDS isn't a problem! Herp derpy derp derp!
 
2012-08-24 10:26:04 AM  
The New York Post said a total of 10 people were shot and
that one of the two fatalities was a woman described as an
innocent bystander who died of her wounds.

CNN quoted witnesses as saying the incident apparently
started when a man chased another man and pulled out a weapon,
described as looking like a sawed-off shotgun, and opened fire.
An elevator operator inside the Empire State Building then ran
out and pursued the gunman while calling for help, CNN said.
Police quickly joined the chase and shot the gunman three
times, CNN reported, quoting witnesses.
 
2012-08-24 10:26:07 AM  

crab66: If everyone in NYC were heavily armed this would have never happened.


Yeah, that's why there are never mass shootings in Harlem.
 
2012-08-24 10:26:15 AM  
What the hell has happened to our society?
 
2012-08-24 10:26:18 AM  

Galloping Galoshes: Sure glad NYC has those strong gun-control laws.


if we are going to play speculation time, I'd put some cash on most of the innocent people who got injured being hit by the cops. If anything, something like this shows why it is a bad idea to have even more guns on the street in NYC.

/not anti-gun, or anti-cop, I just don't see the need for concealed carry in NYC, and think we are better without it.
 
2012-08-24 10:26:24 AM  

LineNoise: Also more people have been shot in chicago since last night than what just happened.


THIS. It's that whole East Coast bias, which is why us White Sox fans always get pissed at the Eastern Seaboard Programming Network.

/South Sider
//19 people shot, mostly gangbangers taking out other bangers
///Go Sox!
 
2012-08-24 10:26:27 AM  
Since New York has some of the most draconian gun laws in the country, shouldn't have this been impossible?
 
2012-08-24 10:26:28 AM  

El Morro: Someone needs to post that "Tom Tomorrow" cartoon, where the penguin concedes how the NRA has won and we just need to come to grips with the fact that we're going to have mass shootings every so often.

/hoping for the best for my fellow New Yorkers


This right here.

Like the cartoon says I'll fully admit that gun fans have won and they can have all the weapons they want. But at least let us biatch a little when someone goes on a shooting spree.
 
2012-08-24 10:26:30 AM  
Shirley more gun laws would curtail this type of behavior, no?
 
2012-08-24 10:26:31 AM  

vegasj: shooting?

In NY?

I thought they had strict gun laws?


We do, and they work great. Are you one of those retards that think the laws were written with the idea that they would magically make guns disappear?
 
2012-08-24 10:26:33 AM  

Galloping Galoshes: Sure glad NYC has those strong gun-control laws.


obviously, they are not strong enough.
 
2012-08-24 10:26:35 AM  

Telos: Maybe we should start looking into what's causing these crackpots to WANT to kill lots of people, rather than blaming the tool they do it with.


NYPost and ABCNews say it was a workplace dispute.

Let's ban working!
 
2012-08-24 10:26:45 AM  
Since this broke, between here and other convos I've had, there's been a lot of "huuurrrrr gun laws".

Now:

a) your shiatty for going to that as your initial reaction

b) if the President goes to that and uses this persons ability to have a gun as evidence that there's a problem that needs to be addressed from a gun control standpoint, you'll be the first assholes to cry about it being politicized.
 
2012-08-24 10:26:54 AM  

Aarontology: Mass casualty shootings happen every day in the inner cities

It's just that people only pay attention to or care about the ones that involve white people or middle class or higher people.


While the race-baiting angle is interesting, it likely has more to do with the fact that the majority of the inner city shootings are between gang members / drug dealers etc. You know, people in the profession of getting shot. Random tourists walking down the sidewalk and getting shot in the back of the head is somewhat more shocking, regardless of race.
 
2012-08-24 10:26:58 AM  

darch: Until recently, I almost never carried off duty as my Glock 26 is bulky and uncomfortable but I've changed my mind on that. I carry ALWAYS now. This shiat can happen anytime, anywhere.

And I'm not NRA gun-nut. Quite the opposite, actually.


Well, considering that all the news reports are beginning to show that this was a dispute between two co-workers that spilled out into the street, followed by one of the co-workers pulling out a gun and starting to shoot at the other guy (and in the process hitting innocent bystanders), I'm more worried about people like you who would have a gun in the first place.
 
2012-08-24 10:27:14 AM  
Not what I was hoping to find when I checked out the main page.

I hope that someday people will learn that when problems arise, "shoot random people", is never ever the right answer.

Any real word about the motivation behind this one?
 
2012-08-24 10:27:16 AM  
Romney campaign press secretary, Andrea Saul, asserted in an interview on Fox News that the massacre could not have happened in Massachusetts, thanks to the tough gun control laws passed by Gov. Romney.
 
2012-08-24 10:27:22 AM  
10 shot in NY! OMG! 19 shot overnight in Chicago, Meh.
 
2012-08-24 10:27:28 AM  
Mass casualty??? My calculator can't even figure out what percent of the US Population that is.
 
2012-08-24 10:27:51 AM  
Sigh.... December 21st can't come soon enough.
 
2012-08-24 10:27:55 AM  

ltdanman44: pinktaco4lunch: So one dead is a mass causality?

4 confirmed


There are not 4 deaths.
 
2012-08-24 10:27:56 AM  

Stoj: Two guys in a car shot 8 people in Chicago last night. 6 of the 8 were teenagers.


Step it up, New York.




Yeah, but THAT IS NOT REAL NEWS!!!11!!!!!1!1!
 
2012-08-24 10:27:58 AM  
That's some tip-top proof-reading there, CNN.

At 10 shot at Empire State Building, authorities say

"least" is the word you're looking for - which you should know a lot about, since it exists everywhere in your quality and effort division.
 
2012-08-24 10:28:06 AM  

Stoj: Two guys in a car shot 8 people in Chicago last night. 6 of the 8 were teenagers.


Step it up, New York.


Yes, that was all over the national MSM all night. Couldn't get any other news... Oh wait, no it wasn't. First I'm hearing of it, actually.

If somebody had shot 6 kids in Queens, nobody would care.
 
2012-08-24 10:28:30 AM  

Mrs.Sharpier: Thanks to all the Farkers who emailed me and asked if I was okay.

/I'm on the 78th floor and not shot


Woohoo
 
2012-08-24 10:28:38 AM  

Telos: Blueintheballs: You need more guns when you have a problem with guns.

Guns have been around for over 100 years. This mass shooting thing seems pretty recent.

Maybe we should start looking into what's causing these crackpots to WANT to kill lots of people, rather than blaming the tool they do it with.


What the hell do you want us to do? Make murder illegal? Fat chance, commie!
 
2012-08-24 10:28:43 AM  
HURR DURR MY POLITICAL VIEWS ARE RELEVANT TO THIS EVENT!!!
 
2012-08-24 10:28:48 AM  

SandMann: It must be the heat.

I blame Global Warming.


its nice here and I haven't even had my AC on all wee.....OH i see what you did there. Yeah and if there were more 'bortions this criminal wouldn't have been born.
 
2012-08-24 10:28:59 AM  

Aarontology: Mass casualty shootings happen every day in the inner cities

It's just that people only pay attention to or care about the ones that involve white people or middle class or higher people.


No they don't.
 
2012-08-24 10:29:05 AM  
For Fark's sake, 2012. I know it's the year of the dragon and we've been burning through mass shootings like I've never seen before. But, c'mon. Enough already.

Is it something in the drinking water? Is it is the moon? Are the Mayans right? Fark it, what is it with these insane shooters. It's weird.
 
2012-08-24 10:29:09 AM  
I'm so sorry, I laughed when I saw the headline in my inbox.
 
2012-08-24 10:29:13 AM  
Is it September 11 season already? I haven't even taken down my July 29, 1999: Former day trader Mark Barton, 44, killed nine people in shootings at two Atlanta, Georgia, brokerage offices, then committed suicide decorations yet!


/I'd like a window seat, please
 
2012-08-24 10:29:15 AM  

Telos: Blueintheballs: You need more guns when you have a problem with guns.

Guns have been around for over 100 years. This mass shooting thing seems pretty recent.

Maybe we should start looking into what's causing these crackpots to WANT to kill lots of people, rather than blaming the tool they do it with.


Sounds like he didn't want to kill lots of people, he's just a really bad shot.
 
2012-08-24 10:29:18 AM  
Hope you're happy, Wayne LaPierre.
 
2012-08-24 10:29:19 AM  
This thread sucks.
 
2012-08-24 10:29:22 AM  

imtheonlylp: Shirley more gun laws would curtail this type of behavior, no?


I agree, we need stricter gun laws.
 
2012-08-24 10:29:39 AM  
Too bad it wasn't a gun free zone.
 
2012-08-24 10:29:41 AM  

Stoj: Two guys in a car shot 8 people in Chicago last night. 6 of the 8 were teenagers.


Step it up, New York.


shhhh, we don't want to talk about those shootings.

We only want to disarm white Americans who are law abiding.

 
2012-08-24 10:29:45 AM  
 
2012-08-24 10:29:45 AM  

ltdanman44: pinktaco4lunch: So one dead is a mass causality?

4 confirmed


Guess I should turn on the news and quit reading news on the internet
 
2012-08-24 10:29:55 AM  
Not seeing anything about subways being down, anyone know offhand?
 
2012-08-24 10:29:58 AM  

mekki: For Fark's sake, 2012. I know it's the year of the dragon and we've been burning through mass shootings like I've never seen before. But, c'mon. Enough already.

Is it something in the drinking water? Is it is the moon? Are the Mayans right? Fark it, what is it with these insane shooters. It's weird.


This wasn't a mass shooting like the other ones. This was one asshole with a sawed-off shotgun who tried to kill a co-worker and in the process shot up the street and killed an innocent bystander.
 
2012-08-24 10:29:58 AM  
Has anyone heard from Omarion yet? Is he alright?
 
2012-08-24 10:29:59 AM  

darch: Until recently, I almost never carried off duty as my Glock 26 is bulky and uncomfortable but I've changed my mind on that. I carry ALWAYS now. This shiat can happen anytime, anywhere.

And I'm not NRA gun-nut. Quite the opposite, actually.


Is glock short for glockenspeil? Because those are pretty bulky and uncomfortable to carry around.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:01 AM  
I assume this is why the two helicopters are hovering down in that direction (I'm looking out my window on 53rd and 3rd). Although I'm not sure what they're contributing at this point.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:10 AM  
How are some of the toughest gun control laws in the country working out for you NYC?

Meanwhile, I just got a CHL and am considering buying a Glock.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:16 AM  
Had to have been a cop. Only cops are allowed to have guns in NYC.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:17 AM  
0.0000012837303478575151% of US Population = MASS CASUALTY!!!!! 
 
2012-08-24 10:30:20 AM  
Good news, everyone. The Hipster Cop is on the scene:
gothamist.com
He'll take care of everything.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:23 AM  
Well, considering that all the news reports are beginning to show that this was a dispute between two co-workers that spilled out into the street, followed by one of the co-workers pulling out a gun and starting to shoot at the other guy (and in the process hitting innocent bystanders), I'm more worried about people like you who would have a gun in the first place.

I'm a cop genius. I am required to carry on and off-duty.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:36 AM  

imontheinternet: Romney campaign press secretary, Andrea Saul, asserted in an interview on Fox News that the massacre could not have happened in Massachusetts, thanks to the tough gun control laws passed by Gov. Romney.


You're on the internet, and you're interneting quite well, sir.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:37 AM  

devilEther: imtheonlylp: If we all had guns, there would've only been ONE civilian shot.

No, you're wrong. even more people would have been shot.


Well, it is hard to say - less could have been shot, or more. It depends on who sees what, when, and how accurate everyone involved is, but you could easily see events like this expanding to have hundreds shot and a mass riot breaking out if things go badly wrong and enough people are armed. It only takes a few people seeing someone being shot, and shooting back themselves not realising who they are shooting at was taking down the original shooter that they didn't see, and things deteriorate from there.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:39 AM  
Initial reports indicate that a Empire State Worker became upset when his coworker, who worked behind the counter at the snack shop, refused to sell him an illegal 32oz soda.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:40 AM  

Mike_LowELL: This thread sucks.


If you're looking to build your ignore list, it's tremendous.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:41 AM  

LarryDan43: 10 shot in NY! OMG! 19 shot overnight in Chicago, Meh.


Yeah, but they shot themselves after eating shiatty pizza
 
2012-08-24 10:30:41 AM  
i.imgur.com
Oooh! Guns, guns, guns...
 
2012-08-24 10:30:42 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: Telos: Blueintheballs: You need more guns when you have a problem with guns.

Guns have been around for over 100 years. This mass shooting thing seems pretty recent.

Maybe we should start looking into what's causing these crackpots to WANT to kill lots of people, rather than blaming the tool they do it with.

What the hell do you want us to do? Make murder illegal? Fat chance, commie!


Probably a lay off. Companies have quit being loyal to their employees, people getting retribution for what could be the end of their lifestyle should be expected.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:44 AM  

Wyldfire: Were they so excited they forgot to add "least" to the headline?


Well, they do have to beat out the other news feeds by 1.4 seconds because it's important to .. them.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:48 AM  

El Hodor: pinktaco4lunch: So one dead is a mass causality?

I think someone being killed or injured counts as a casualty. So it really depends if you consider 10 to be a mass casualty.


Definition: "a person who is injured or killed in an accident"

Yeah, this is a point of contention with me and I agree with the original poster. Here in Indy, the fire department was called to a "mass casualty event". Eventually, we learn that some kids were coughing and sick from a pool chemical mix up at a public pool. Freighting and scary for them. Grammatically, sure - correct. But "mass casualty" is a pretty frightening term to most folks.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:49 AM  

devilEther: Galloping Galoshes: Sure glad NYC has those strong gun-control laws.

obviously, they are not strong enough.


Body searches at the bridges.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:57 AM  

BunkoSquad: LineNoise: most of the injuries being people caught in the gunfight with cops.

No, that can't be right, because an armed person responding to a crazed gunman will calmly and efficiently subdue the killer with one well-placed head shot, at least according to last month's issue of Internet Hero Fantasy Jerkoff Magazine.


You'll have to wait for the ballistics report on how many of the rounds hitting civilians were actually fired by cops. I look forward the final report.
 
2012-08-24 10:31:02 AM  
I think we can all agree that shooting random, innocent people is rude. Just say "excuse me" next time a group of people are in your way.
 
2012-08-24 10:31:03 AM  

Stoj: Two guys in a car shot 8 people in Chicago last night. 6 of the 8 were teenagers.


Also farkin' lame...

Stoj: Step it up, New York.


No... that is an incorrect response.
 
2012-08-24 10:31:07 AM  
They aren't even trying to tie this to Muslim terrorists.
 
2012-08-24 10:31:07 AM  

Titts_McGhee: My husband works at 34th and Park. He and most of his employees walk that way to work every day. Thankfully he's in CA today.


At least that's his story.
 
2012-08-24 10:31:14 AM  

Carth: LineNoise: Local reports are saying it wasn't AT the ESB, just across the street, and appears to have been a targeted hit type thing, and most of the injuries being people caught in the gunfight with cops.

You mean a firefight with an armed gunman can result in innocent bystanders getting shot? I don't believe it.


Clearly the result of poor gun control.
 
2012-08-24 10:31:29 AM  
4 shot, but not killed. Shooter dead. Aren't more people shot on a day-to-day basis in NYC? Or is this just an issue because it was rich white people?
 
2012-08-24 10:31:34 AM  

James72: NYPost and ABCNews say it was a workplace dispute.


This was probably the day they replaced the vending machine candy with healthy snacks.

AN APPLE OR A GRANOLA BAR FOR A SNACK?! F*CK THIS NOISE! WHERE'S MY GUN?
 
2012-08-24 10:31:40 AM  
static.ddmcdn.com

What happened to the 10 million dollar surveillance system they had in place there?
 
2012-08-24 10:31:45 AM  

namegoeshere: Stoj: Two guys in a car shot 8 people in Chicago last night. 6 of the 8 were teenagers.


Step it up, New York.

Yes, that was all over the national MSM all night. Couldn't get any other news... Oh wait, no it wasn't. First I'm hearing of it, actually.

If somebody had shot 6 kids in Queens, nobody would care.


On a local sports radio station there has been a tongue in cheek tally of white sox runs vs people shot every weekend.
 
2012-08-24 10:31:46 AM  
Is that a dead dog in that gothamist pic?
 
2012-08-24 10:31:48 AM  

vegasj: Stoj: Two guys in a car shot 8 people in Chicago last night. 6 of the 8 were teenagers.


Step it up, New York.

shhhh, we don't want to talk about those shootings.

We only want to disarm white Americans who are law abiding.


Like James Holmes? He was a model American until he decided to stop being a model American. Maybe today is your day.
 
2012-08-24 10:31:48 AM  
Shooters empire state of mind is all over the sidewalk.
 
2012-08-24 10:32:07 AM  

JerseyTim: Good news, everyone. The Hipster Cop is on the scene:
[gothamist.com image 640x478]
He'll take care of everything.


He probably has the best info, seeing as he was there before the shooting made the news.
 
2012-08-24 10:32:15 AM  
Was the gunman a liberal or conservative? My sense of outrage is hanging in the balance
 
2012-08-24 10:32:30 AM  
These people don't care about penalties. These people have thrown in the towel and everything else. If you don't confront causes, the effects will finally confront you. You turn a corner and walk right into yourself. You will wonder how you ever thought it didn't involve you, if you survive.
 
2012-08-24 10:32:30 AM  
This is certainly going to be a big thread.

If it was a wave, I would surf on it.
 
2012-08-24 10:32:36 AM  
The gunman was shot and killed by police, the New York Police Department reported.

Good Cop! Double his donut allotment for the year, give him a medal and pay for his ammunition.
 
2012-08-24 10:32:41 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

Mass Lass?
 
2012-08-24 10:32:55 AM  
10 people were shot but let's talk about how I am oppressed by gun laws
 
2012-08-24 10:33:19 AM  

Warlordtrooper: What was their political beliefs. This is important


Obviously a Liberal. Only Liberals are violent. ONLY Liberals.
 
2012-08-24 10:33:22 AM  

Lost Thought 00: 4 shot, but not killed. Shooter dead. Aren't more people shot on a day-to-day basis in NYC? Or is this just an issue because it was rich white people?


It's the borrough and that it's a "mass" shooting.

There was a mass shooting in Brooklyn recently that was major news in NYC and NYS, but it happened at night so the newsbreaks weren't read by everyone who's supposed to be at work.
 
2012-08-24 10:33:23 AM  
I thought we had this guy who acted in a movie about Jesus who gets SSN numbers from some magical machine protecting us?

Damn it Finch HE NEEDS YOU BACK. Where the hell are you?
 
2012-08-24 10:33:31 AM  

The Muthaship: Can we fly in a podunk sheriff to determine whether this is domestic terrorism?


epguides.com

Yep. Looks like terrorism to me.
 
2012-08-24 10:33:32 AM  

darch: Well, considering that all the news reports are beginning to show that this was a dispute between two co-workers that spilled out into the street, followed by one of the co-workers pulling out a gun and starting to shoot at the other guy (and in the process hitting innocent bystanders), I'm more worried about people like you who would have a gun in the first place.

I'm a cop genius. I am required to carry on and off-duty.


So what you were saying in your Boobies is that you had been intentionally disregarding department policy by not carrying off-duty before?
 
2012-08-24 10:33:33 AM  

imtheonlylp: Shirley more gun laws would curtail this type of behavior, no?


No, they won't. And don't call me Shirley.
 
2012-08-24 10:33:44 AM  

Godscrack: [static.ddmcdn.com image 400x323]

What happened to the 10 million dollar surveillance system they had in place there?


Were you under the impression that it magically stops crime?
 
2012-08-24 10:33:44 AM  

Godscrack: [static.ddmcdn.com image 400x323]

What happened to the 10 million dollar surveillance system they had in place there?


It....watched the shooting? What else was it supposed to do?
 
2012-08-24 10:33:46 AM  

hdhale: You'll have to wait for the ballistics report on how many of the rounds hitting civilians were actually fired by cops. I look forward the final report.


I don't think we will ever see that report.
 
2012-08-24 10:33:53 AM  

LarryDan43: namegoeshere: Stoj: Two guys in a car shot 8 people in Chicago last night. 6 of the 8 were teenagers.


Step it up, New York.

Yes, that was all over the national MSM all night. Couldn't get any other news... Oh wait, no it wasn't. First I'm hearing of it, actually.

If somebody had shot 6 kids in Queens, nobody would care.

On a local sports radio station there has been a tongue in cheek tally of white sox runs vs people shot every weekend.


It is very wrong that I love this...
 
2012-08-24 10:33:54 AM  
How are all those anti-murder laws working out for you NYC?
 
2012-08-24 10:33:55 AM  

browntimmy: Walker: How are those strict gun laws working out for you Bloomberg? At least he couldn't throw a large soda on them.

I don't think you get that not everyone wants to carry a gun on them at all times, for the same reason no one wants to wear a helmet at all times.


My mother makes me wear a helmet at all times.
 
2012-08-24 10:34:10 AM  

hdhale: BunkoSquad: LineNoise: most of the injuries being people caught in the gunfight with cops.

No, that can't be right, because an armed person responding to a crazed gunman will calmly and efficiently subdue the killer with one well-placed head shot, at least according to last month's issue of Internet Hero Fantasy Jerkoff Magazine.

You'll have to wait for the ballistics report on how many of the rounds hitting civilians were actually fired by cops. I look forward the final report.


Actually latest reports is he walked into a business across the street that supposedly owed him monday. Shot the manager, a few other people there, and then got into a gunfight with the cops on his way out the door.

Anyway, those arguing that gun control laws contributed to this in either direction are idiots. There were probably thousands of people on that street when he came out the door. If even a few of them started shooting in return, you would have had a lot more people hit.
 
2012-08-24 10:34:19 AM  

Richard Flaccid: OMG A woman mass shooter!


Masso: I was about 50 feet away from the guy who was killed, and it was definitely a targeted shooting. Apparently he walked right up to the guy and shot him in the head.


Anyone have a source for the "woman mass shooter" claim?
 
2012-08-24 10:34:22 AM  
Bloomberg, what's your plan?
 
2012-08-24 10:34:35 AM  

sweetmelissa31: 10 people were shot but let's talk about how I am oppressed by gun laws


This is a good point.

Please tell us, CNN. Was the gun obtained legally? This is the key.
 
2012-08-24 10:34:53 AM  

SableTigre: What the hell is wrong with people?? We can barely go a week without some horrific shooting spree somewhere. WTF??


Hey, don't leap to conclusions. We don't yet know if this is horrific.
 
2012-08-24 10:35:07 AM  
How many more shootings do we have to have in this country before people finally accept that we must have more guns?

/ this is what gun nuts actually believe
 
2012-08-24 10:35:13 AM  
Also, if we can all take a moment and say a quick prayer for the 2 people who drew the short straw and are going to cornell medical center, they can probably use our thoughts.
 
2012-08-24 10:35:17 AM  

stevetherobot: The Muthaship: Can we fly in a podunk sheriff to determine whether this is domestic terrorism?

[epguides.com image 320x340]

Yep. Looks like terrorism to me.


I voted for it, sheriff.
 
2012-08-24 10:35:29 AM  

Silly Jesus: He's going to be white, isn't he?


Well over 70% of society is classified as "white" Latino's included in there so statistically yes he will be.
 
2012-08-24 10:35:30 AM  
Crazy!
 
2012-08-24 10:35:38 AM  
Whar are all the concealed carriers that could've stopped this? WHAR!?

/they're at home, commenting on the story
 
2012-08-24 10:35:54 AM  

Rincewind53: darch: Well, considering that all the news reports are beginning to show that this was a dispute between two co-workers that spilled out into the street, followed by one of the co-workers pulling out a gun and starting to shoot at the other guy (and in the process hitting innocent bystanders), I'm more worried about people like you who would have a gun in the first place.

I'm a cop genius. I am required to carry on and off-duty.

So what you were saying in your Boobies is that you had been intentionally disregarding department policy by not carrying off-duty before?


It's not nice to assume he has boobies or any other kind of weight issue, especially one capable of talking.
 
2012-08-24 10:36:02 AM  

WNBC: Gunman was fired from his job yesterday

- The Cycle (@thecyclemsnbc) August 24, 2012



This is why you fire people on Fridays. That's just some bad management.
 
2012-08-24 10:36:08 AM  
So what you were saying in your Boobies is that you had been intentionally disregarding department policy by not carrying off-duty before?

There are stipulations to that regulation where if it is impossible to properly conceal the weapon or if you know you will be drinking alcohol, you are not required to. That kinda thing.
 
2012-08-24 10:36:10 AM  

LineNoise: Anyway, those arguing that gun control laws contributed to this in either direction are idiots. There were probably thousands of people on that street when he came out the door. If even a few of them started shooting in return, you would have had a lot more people hit.


WHOA BUDDY

I've been assured that can never happen. That's not how bullets work or something.
 
2012-08-24 10:36:31 AM  

imontheinternet: [thismodernworld.com image 720x672]


The entire debate about gun control is if gun control laws are effective at stopping crime. This cartoon basically says "Well if you just assume I'm right that gun control curbs gun crime, then I'm right." It is a dumb cartoon and you're dumb for thinking it's a scathing criticism of gun rights advocates.

probesport: Too bad it wasn't a gun free zone.


Stop embarrassing gun rights advocates. When someone gets shot where there is a law you don't like don't dance around like a ghoulish child. There have been plenty of shootings where there are free and open gun laws. There is little justification for the "more guns means more safety" side as well. You're just being more of a dick about it.
 
2012-08-24 10:36:34 AM  
Not Chicago? Not a shooting against conservatives?

INSTA GREENLIT
 
2012-08-24 10:36:50 AM  
crazy over here right now.
i work across the street.
cops and tourist everywhere
 
2012-08-24 10:36:51 AM  
AP News is reporting that the shooting stemmed from a workplace dispute.

Well, at least they took it outside...
 
2012-08-24 10:36:57 AM  

darch: Until recently, I almost never carried off duty as my Glock 26 is bulky and uncomfortable but I've changed my mind on that. I carry ALWAYS now. This shiat can happen anytime, anywhere.


But if it does, you're going to join in?

Ever notice how not one of these stores ends with, "one of the other citizens pulled their gun and killed the assailant, saving everyone"? Yeah... me either.
 
2012-08-24 10:36:57 AM  

I Said: Richard Flaccid: OMG A woman mass shooter!

Palin DEMOLISHED the glass ceiling


Oh please! Palin wouldn't do a mass shooting. Get over yourself. She would shoot one person and then quit.
 
2012-08-24 10:36:58 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: How many more shootings do we have to have in this country before people finally accept that we must have more guns?

/ this is what gun nuts actually believe


Gun nuts may believe that, but I'd rather talk about the fact that gun laws don't work at preventing gun-related crime (or crime in general).
 
2012-08-24 10:37:07 AM  

Lost Thought 00: 4 shot, but not killed. Shooter dead. Aren't more people shot on a day-to-day basis in NYC? Or is this just an issue because it was rich white people?


Its not the 'white people' thing, its the 'shooting indiscriminately into a crowd of strangers' thing that makes this different.

Gang shootings, murders, etc, result in deaths, and sometimes collateral damage, but targeting strangers randomly makes this a news story.
 
2012-08-24 10:37:15 AM  
Obviously NYC needs to install checkpoints at all entrances to the city, to make sure people don't bring unregistered guns into the City Limits
 
2012-08-24 10:37:15 AM  

LawrencePerson: How are some of the toughest gun control laws in the country working out for you NYC?

Meanwhile, I just got a CHL and am considering buying a Glock.


How does this work? You know you're like the 200th poster in a thread, why are you still making lazy generic comments and thinking you're bold and original for saying it?
 
2012-08-24 10:37:17 AM  
I must've missed a couple of memes someplace.
 
2012-08-24 10:37:19 AM  
Let's just get it out of the way now ...

sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-08-24 10:37:26 AM  

JerseyTim: Good news, everyone. The Hipster Cop is on the scene:
[gothamist.com image 640x478]
He'll take care of everything.


Wow, that actually IS the same Hipster Cop as from Occupy.

That man makes 45 look like late 20s.
 
2012-08-24 10:37:30 AM  

JerseyTim: WNBC: Gunman was fired from his job yesterday- The Cycle (@thecyclemsnbc) August 24, 2012


This is why you fire people on Fridays. That's just some bad management.


He wasn't economically viable?
 
2012-08-24 10:37:33 AM  

darch: So what you were saying in your Boobies is that you had been intentionally disregarding department policy by not carrying off-duty before?

There are stipulations to that regulation where if it is impossible to properly conceal the weapon or if you know you will be drinking alcohol, you are not required to. That kinda thing.


So now you carry when you're drinking? You don't sound very responsible.
 
2012-08-24 10:37:54 AM  
;)

I Said: LarryDan43: 10 shot in NY! OMG! 19 shot overnight in Chicago, Meh.

Yeah, but they shot themselves after eating shiatty pizza


Or after they realized "oh shiat, I live in Chicago!"
 
2012-08-24 10:38:02 AM  
That was a bad newsflash to have a Dalek alert.
 
2012-08-24 10:38:04 AM  

JerseyTim: This is why you fire people on Fridays. That's just some bad management.


I hate to admit it, but that's one of the first things I thought of as well.
 
2012-08-24 10:38:08 AM  

Lost Thought 00: rich white people


Yes because all of us rich white people walk to work to our daily grind.
 
2012-08-24 10:38:15 AM  
Goddamn it, crazy people. Stop making it so easy to ban guns.

There are a lot of things I hate about living in the south, but at least this will be the last place to stand up for the right to bear arms.
 
2012-08-24 10:38:31 AM  
Well if this person shot bankers, then they should get a f*cking medal
 
2012-08-24 10:38:42 AM  
NYC or not, it's always news when the wrong person gets shot.
 
2012-08-24 10:38:43 AM  
I say we use this opportunity, pick a city with a bad gun crime rate, and simply arm the bejeezus out of everyone legally. Everyone gets a carry permit *and* free gun training. Keep tabs and see what that does. The training is mandatory though to get the permit. The scariest thing in the world is a human with a firearm who hasn't a clue how to use it safely.
 
2012-08-24 10:38:44 AM  

Godscrack: What happened to the 10 million dollar surveillance system they had in place there?


I'm sure they have video of it. Surveillance systems are for "watching" or "recording" events... not stopping them from occurring.
 
2012-08-24 10:38:49 AM  

JohnnyC: darch: Until recently, I almost never carried off duty as my Glock 26 is bulky and uncomfortable but I've changed my mind on that. I carry ALWAYS now. This shiat can happen anytime, anywhere.

But if it does, you're going to join in?

Ever notice how not one of these stores ends with, "one of the other citizens pulled their gun and killed the assailant, saving everyone"? Yeah... me either.


He would have been cut down by the police before he even got it drawn.
 
2012-08-24 10:38:51 AM  
My boyfriend has a couple friends who work near the Empire State Building, so he was frantically calling them, trying to find out if they were okay. Thankfully they were.

Brooklyn has turned into Tombstone ca. 1876, Chicago is starting to take that crown from them.....can we PLEASE have discussion about reasonable gun control in this farking country?
 
2012-08-24 10:38:53 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: How many more shootings do we have to have in this country before people finally accept that we must have more guns?

/This is what anti-gun idiots believe that this is what gun nuts actually believe


FIFY
 
2012-08-24 10:38:55 AM  

CAADbury: NeoBad: Suddenly have two thoughts. One is that the 1300 price tag of that small Kimber 45 ACP may not be so bad. Two is to go stock up on Ammo for my 9 mm.

UGH, please not a 1911 variant. 8+1 is a pretty paltry capacity nowadays.

Though, I suppose, once you're out of ammo, you can always throw the super carry pro at the bad guys. makes a pretty good blunt force instrument.


not to turn into a gun nut thread - but what is a 1911 variant?

i have just a "normal" springfield 1911.

/& hell ya, it makes a nice hammer or brick if there are no bullets.
 
2012-08-24 10:38:59 AM  

R.A.Danny: What the hell has happened to our society?


images.politico.com
 
2012-08-24 10:39:11 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Obviously NYC needs to install checkpoints at all entrances to the city, to make sure people don't bring unregistered guns into the City Limits


We have checkpoints. Like down in Wall Street. Where they accidently smooshed some dude into a wall who was walking down the street and killed him yesterday.
 
2012-08-24 10:39:14 AM  

odinsposse: probesport: Too bad it wasn't a gun free zone.

Stop embarrassing gun rights advocates. When someone gets shot where there is a law you don't like don't dance around like a ghoulish child. There have been plenty of shootings where there are free and open gun laws. There is little justification for the "more guns means more safety" side as well. You're just being more of a dick about it.


Communist sympathizer.
 
2012-08-24 10:39:18 AM  

Telos: Guns have been around for over 100 years. This mass shooting thing seems pretty recent.Maybe we should start looking into what's causing these crackpots to WANT to kill lots of people, rather than blaming the tool they do it with.


A greater number of people living in close proximity will tend to make it happen more often. More absolute population would automatically make it happen more often. Greater spread of news coverage will mean smaller incidents will be reported further afield (a few decades ago you wouldn't hear of shootings across the country unless they were exceptionally notorious). Greater news coverage will make certain types of such crime (where the criminal wants notoriety) more likely. Also plenty of these events happened in the past, you just haven't read about them, as only a few really notorious and well known ones will continue to be discussed decades later.

Generally in most modern democracies crime has dropped, certainly in terms of rate, and often in terms of absolute numbers over the last 30 years or so - but usually the perception of crime has increased markedly during that time despite this - probably due to things like 24 hour news coverage, the internet and so on - previously you would only pick up on a few of crime stories per day, because that is all a short news program on TV would be able to fit in - the less important ones would only be picked up on local newspapers or whatever that a lot fewer people read, and of course you would then still only get the crime in your locality, and 99% of the crime that you might find out about now would have been completely invisible to you a decade or two ago.
 
2012-08-24 10:39:20 AM  
I wonder if any of the cops said "It was beauty killed the beast" as he stood over the gunman's body.
 
2012-08-24 10:39:30 AM  
Honestly I'm more interested in how many shots were fired to hit 10 people and how many times did the dude reload.
 
2012-08-24 10:39:43 AM  
I just got calls from both my mom and my girlfriend asking me if I was at work. At first I was like, yeah, why wouldn't I be?

This is probably why my train got stopped. I take the E to Lex and 53rd and we got stuck at 7th and 53rd for so long that I got off and walked the rest of the way to work. The Empire State Building is 20 blocks away so it's not like that's very close, but I bet that was it.
 
2012-08-24 10:39:56 AM  

Coco LaFemme: can we PLEASE have discussion about reasonable gun control in this farking country?


Sure, I'll start: New York City has an outright ban on guns. Did that prevent this from happening? Are those gun control policies reasonable?
 
2012-08-24 10:40:03 AM  

Walker: How are those strict gun laws working out for you Bloomberg? At least he couldn't throw a large soda on them.


Not too bad.

But hey, now you have an anecdote on your side of the debate!
 
2012-08-24 10:40:10 AM  

CAADbury: Gun nuts may believe that, but I'd rather talk about the fact that gun laws don't work at preventing gun-related crime (or crime in general).


True. I won't set foot in Europe. Can't get off the plane without someone shooting you dead.

Er... wait... no... I mean exactly the opposite of what I said there. Sorry, sometimes I forget that I'm not a completely shameless liar like you.
 
2012-08-24 10:40:14 AM  
I'm sure it's all just a big misunderstanding. Relax people.
 
2012-08-24 10:40:16 AM  
How're we gonna wake up Jeff?
How're we gonna wake up Jeff?
How're we gonna wake up Jeff?
How're we gonna wake up Jeff?
 
2012-08-24 10:40:34 AM  

bighairyguy: They aren't even trying to tie this to Muslim terrorists.


Is it bad that the first thing I thought of was "Please don't let the shooter be muslim."
 
2012-08-24 10:40:41 AM  
Two people were killed and at least eight were wounded in a shooting outside the landmark Empire State Building in New York City on Friday, according to a police source.

So... shooter and the guy he shot in the head, I imagine.

Hope no one else dies.

Farking hate people these past few years.
 
2012-08-24 10:40:43 AM  

LineNoise: Lost Thought 00: Obviously NYC needs to install checkpoints at all entrances to the city, to make sure people don't bring unregistered guns into the City Limits

We have checkpoints. Like down in Wall Street. Where they accidently smooshed some dude into a wall who was walking down the street and killed him yesterday.


Link? I missed that story.
 
2012-08-24 10:40:53 AM  
Is there anything New Yorkers and Chicagoans won't argue about? It's tiresome enough listening to you guys whine about pizza (they are both good), but who had more people shot in the last 24 hours? Really?
 
2012-08-24 10:40:55 AM  
Probably someone protesting Ron Paul not being allowed to speak at the convention.
 
2012-08-24 10:41:00 AM  
I refuse to beleive the casualties are this low, everyone knows that cross fire from someone shooting the shooter causes more casualties than the shooter, there has to be at least eleventy billion casualties because of the crossfire with police, damned conservative media
 
2012-08-24 10:41:05 AM  
When I was a kid there was a rash of carjackings in my hometown of Tucson. It seemed like it would never end and for a while there were more and more of them. Then, finally, they tapered off and eventually they stopped. Years later I was reflecting on this to a favorite teacher of mine and he made an interesting point. Just like any other vogue or trend certain kinds of crime become popular when they get lots of attention. He didn't outright blame the media attention for contributing to it, but he did tell me that this too would pass like any other fad.

Whether these shootings are mostly carried out by the mentally ill or extremist ideologues they have to get the idea from somewhere. Maybe if we weren't all so morbidly fascinated by death we wouldn't have quite as many of these killings. In any case, it seems like a good time to look within for an explanation. I hate to think that the thing which will eventually put a stop to mass shootings is that they become so commonplace that the news stops giving them extensive coverage and individuals who want to attract attention by doing such things decide that a public shooting just isn't good enough.

I think the focus on the role of guns in these tragedies is understandable and important, but over prioritized. We need to find a way of preventing this idea from taking root in the diseased minds of those who might go through with it. Something's got to give.
 
2012-08-24 10:41:34 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: FIFY


That brazen lie would probably work better in a thread that didn't' already have a few dozen examples of exactly the mindset I was criticizing.

But thanks for adding evidence to my point!
 
2012-08-24 10:41:35 AM  
LineNoise: Anyway, those arguing that gun control laws contributed to this in either direction are idiots. There were probably thousands of people on that street when he came out the door. If even a few of them started shooting in return, you would have had a lot more people hit.

HWC:WHOA BUDDY

I've been assured that can never happen. That's not how bullets work or something.


No, the way it works is deterrence. If the potential gunman knew there was a substantial chance that the boss or co-workers would whip out a gun and shoot him if he tried a workplace shooting, he wouldn't try in the first place.
 
2012-08-24 10:41:51 AM  

vegasj: shooting?

In NY?

I thought they had strict gun laws?


They do. It is easy to import them from less-strict states though. I know a girl who's an agent at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms and her job is to follow the exporting of guns into NYC (and she's a total badass). She told me they mainly get imported from the southern eastern states. Mostly South Carolina, Florida, etc.
 
2012-08-24 10:42:01 AM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Goddamn it, crazy people. Stop making it so easy to ban guns.

There are a lot of things I hate about living in the south, but at least this will be the last place to stand up for the right to bear arms.


i4.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-24 10:42:04 AM  

FreakinB: I just got calls from both my mom and my girlfriend asking me if I was at work. At first I was like, yeah, why wouldn't I be?

This is probably why my train got stopped. I take the E to Lex and 53rd and we got stuck at 7th and 53rd for so long that I got off and walked the rest of the way to work. The Empire State Building is 20 blocks away so it's not like that's very close, but I bet that was it.


I got the same calls.

"Are you ok?"
"uhh, yea, I'm pretty much on the other side of town"
"Are you coming home early?"
"uhh, why?"
"Well......STAY SAFE"
"uhhh....ok.....now if you don't mind, I'm getting back to work"
 
2012-08-24 10:42:11 AM  

CAADbury: Coco LaFemme: can we PLEASE have discussion about reasonable gun control in this farking country?

Sure, I'll start: New York City has an outright ban on guns.


Incorrect.

Did that prevent this from happening?

No, and nobody has ever argued that gun laws are magic and can preemptively stop crime.

Are those gun control policies reasonable?

Yes, NYC enjoys some of the lowest gun crime per capita of any major city on the planet.
 
2012-08-24 10:42:25 AM  

inner ted: not to turn into a gun nut thread - but what is a 1911 variant?


I have no idea. I typed that before I had my coffee.
 
2012-08-24 10:42:47 AM  

darch: Well, considering that all the news reports are beginning to show that this was a dispute between two co-workers that spilled out into the street, followed by one of the co-workers pulling out a gun and starting to shoot at the other guy (and in the process hitting innocent bystanders), I'm more worried about people like you who would have a gun in the first place.

I'm a cop genius. I am required to carry on and off-duty.


And if there's one thing we know, cops are paragons of safety and restraint. Until they shoot someone in the head while handcuffed or such.
 
2012-08-24 10:42:59 AM  

Lost Thought 00: 4 shot, but not killed. Shooter dead. Aren't more people shot on a day-to-day basis in NYC? Or is this just an issue because it was rich white people?


Everything that happens in New York is more important. Because people in New York are more important. Objects are too. Wounding 4 people and chipping the Empire State building with bulletes is roughly the newsworthy equivalent of fire bombing Des Moines then backfilling the Grand Canyon.
 
2012-08-24 10:43:03 AM  
I think these mass shootings have more to do with political climate than gun control issues. The media, in this election year, simply perpetuates hatred and encourages violence by using rhetoric to divide us. The outcome is that everyone hates everyone else that isn't exactly like them. All this propaganda has made it so we're all angry and anxious all the time.

The media should promote peace through compromise, and the candidates need to do the same. That is our only way out.

My opinion.
 
2012-08-24 10:43:07 AM  

FreakinB: I just got calls from both my mom and my girlfriend asking me if I was at work. At first I was like, yeah, why wouldn't I be?


My sister did the same thing. She texted me. Apparently, she thinks the city is just one two-block radius.
 
2012-08-24 10:43:29 AM  

mark12A: LineNoise: Anyway, those arguing that gun control laws contributed to this in either direction are idiots. There were probably thousands of people on that street when he came out the door. If even a few of them started shooting in return, you would have had a lot more people hit.

HWC:WHOA BUDDY

I've been assured that can never happen. That's not how bullets work or something.

No, the way it works is deterrence. If the potential gunman knew there was a substantial chance that the boss or co-workers would whip out a gun and shoot him if he tried a workplace shooting, he wouldn't try in the first place.


Uh huh. He knew there were about 100 cops in the area with guns and he was still shooting outside. Why didn't that deter him?
 
2012-08-24 10:43:29 AM  

CAADbury: Coco LaFemme: can we PLEASE have discussion about reasonable gun control in this farking country?

Sure, I'll start: New York City has an outright ban on guns. Did that prevent this from happening? Are those gun control policies reasonable?


We have 50 servers and have virus protection on one of them. That server got a virus today so that proves protection doesn't work.
 
2012-08-24 10:43:31 AM  
Homicide is the third leading cause of workplace fatalaties, according to the Bureau of Workplace Statistics, behind onlt traffic accidents and falls.
 
2012-08-24 10:43:34 AM  

mark12A: LineNoise: Anyway, those arguing that gun control laws contributed to this in either direction are idiots. There were probably thousands of people on that street when he came out the door. If even a few of them started shooting in return, you would have had a lot more people hit.

HWC:WHOA BUDDY

I've been assured that can never happen. That's not how bullets work or something.

No, the way it works is deterrence. If the potential gunman knew there was a substantial chance that the boss or co-workers would whip out a gun and shoot him if he tried a workplace shooting, he wouldn't try in the first place.


Yea, because the type of guy who decides he is going to shoot his boss in probably the most heavily policed block in the god damn country is the type of person who will think things through rationally like that.

If this guy had any remote thought that he was getting out of this alive, he is completely bonkers.
 
2012-08-24 10:43:47 AM  
Quick everyone start acting like an authority on gun, the demographics of Manhattan, and the laws of the city and state of New York! Hurry!
 
2012-08-24 10:44:00 AM  
In before the mag/clip and gun porn posts!
 
2012-08-24 10:44:22 AM  
Editor: Hey, we need 150 words on this story immediately. Can you manage that?

Writer: Sure. {types furiously}. Damn. Only one hundred words? Hmm. Need more information relevant to the story... Ah!

{opens Wikipedia}

"The Empire State Building is one of the most famous skyscrapers in the world, and one of New York City's best-known tourist attractions.

Each year, about 4 million people visit the building's two observation decks. At more than 1,453 feet tall, the landmark building reaches more than a quarter-mile into the sky."

Writer: 150 words! I'm killin' it!
 
2012-08-24 10:44:26 AM  
Wow, it really was another angry white male.

I have white friends, so I wont let this event define them.
 
2012-08-24 10:44:45 AM  

EyeballKid: Hope you're happy, Wayne LaPierre.


What was Mr. LaPierre's involvement in the incident?
 
2012-08-24 10:44:53 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: mark12A: LineNoise: Anyway, those arguing that gun control laws contributed to this in either direction are idiots. There were probably thousands of people on that street when he came out the door. If even a few of them started shooting in return, you would have had a lot more people hit.

HWC:WHOA BUDDY

I've been assured that can never happen. That's not how bullets work or something.

No, the way it works is deterrence. If the potential gunman knew there was a substantial chance that the boss or co-workers would whip out a gun and shoot him if he tried a workplace shooting, he wouldn't try in the first place.

Uh huh. He knew there were about 100 cops in the area with guns and he was still shooting outside. Why didn't that deter him?




Also, having a gun doesn't make you bulletproof. All he really needs is to shoot first.
 
2012-08-24 10:45:00 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Incorrect.


I stand corrected! Please forgive my earlier mis-statements regarding New York City's gun regs.
 
2012-08-24 10:45:07 AM  

namegoeshere: Homicide is the third leading cause of workplace fatalaties, according to the Bureau of Workplace Statistics, behind onlt traffic accidents and falls.


What if you kill somebody buy pushing them off a roof into heavy traffic?
 
2012-08-24 10:45:14 AM  
We had an event earlier this summer where a dumbass blocked the left lane on the freeway, apparently intentionally farked with a guy in a truck trying to get past (in some little POS Honda) then when pressed ran the guy off the road into the median, pulled out his gun and fired it.

Guns, is there anything they can't solve?

Dumbass (new window)
 
2012-08-24 10:45:33 AM  

JerseyTim: Good news, everyone. The Hipster Cop is on the scene:
[gothamist.com image 640x478]
He'll take care of everything.


He was investigating the bodies before they were cool.
 
2012-08-24 10:45:35 AM  

I Said: It's nice to see The Dark Knight Rises is still selling tickets


www.internationalhero.co.uk

"Batman? Pfeh. Amateur."
 
2012-08-24 10:45:38 AM  
i290.photobucket.com

i290.photobucket.com

So right, it is wrong.
 
2012-08-24 10:45:38 AM  
At such an iconic place, too.

Maybe there's something after all to a conspiracy behind these recent mass shootings aimed at taking away the right to bear arms.

/tinfoil
 
2012-08-24 10:45:48 AM  

Gunny Highway: Quick everyone start acting like an authority on gun, the demographics of Manhattan, and the laws of the city and state of New York! Hurry!


Well, does anyone know what this guy was armed with?

NYC has handgun permits, no? I mean, they're made to be incredibly hard to get, but that didn't do much here. Neither did the state's ban on "assault weapons".

/Good lord I hate that term...
 
2012-08-24 10:46:50 AM  

CAADbury: Gun nuts may believe that, but I'd rather talk about the fact that gun laws don't work at preventing gun-related crime (or crime in general).


Huh... I've read that Britain has had it's incidents of shooting decline for 7 years running now. Seems the evidence is against you. Perhaps you meant to say that "don't prevent them entirely"? Because they do seem to lower the number of incidents consistently.

Not saying that we should rush ahead to ban guns... just saying that you don't seem accurate at all.
 
2012-08-24 10:46:52 AM  

LarryDan43: 10 shot in NY! OMG! 19 shot overnight in Chicago, Meh.


Lone nutjob hating random people v a long standing drug war with only the combatants (or their families, sadly) involved.
 
2012-08-24 10:46:56 AM  

sweetmelissa31: 10 people were shot but let's talk about how I am oppressed by gun laws


What? Like the notoriously strict ones in New York City? Are those the ones that you hope can save you from ebil guns?
 
2012-08-24 10:47:25 AM  

mark12A: LineNoise: Anyway, those arguing that gun control laws contributed to this in either direction are idiots. There were probably thousands of people on that street when he came out the door. If even a few of them started shooting in return, you would have had a lot more people hit.

HWC:WHOA BUDDY

I've been assured that can never happen. That's not how bullets work or something.

No, the way it works is deterrence. If the potential gunman knew there was a substantial chance that the boss or co-workers would whip out a gun and shoot him if he tried a workplace shooting, he wouldn't try in the first place.


What do you base that on? Most shooters are doing it while not completely in their right mind for one reason or another. Also, many are killed by cops. You don't think they'd know police would respond to a shooting and I don't know, shoot him? If he wanted to shoot his boss or co-workers, chances are he would take them out before they could get a shot off, or at least take a few out before they took him out. It wouldn't prevent anything.

If you know of researching backing up your position, please cite it.
 
2012-08-24 10:47:27 AM  

CAADbury: Coco LaFemme: can we PLEASE have discussion about reasonable gun control in this farking country?

Sure, I'll start: New York City has an outright ban on guns. Did that prevent this from happening? Are those gun control policies reasonable?


Oh yay. Another thread where we get to have this same debate because of one incident that's probably isolated.

In any case, guns just aren't a huge part of life up here. At least not to the degree that it is in other areas. Sure there's issues with violent crime, but most people I know aren't keeping a gun rack and going shooting. And I can understand the need for stricter rules in such a densely-populated area, though sometimes they do go too far.
 
2012-08-24 10:47:28 AM  

sid244: [i290.photobucket.com image 850x690]

[i290.photobucket.com image 850x696]

So right, it is wrong.


What the fark does 5 wounded and 10 injured even mean?????
 
2012-08-24 10:47:48 AM  
Did James Dolan finally lose it?
 
2012-08-24 10:47:55 AM  
Clearly we need to make guns legal in NYC so that random strangers can open fire on the suspect on a crowded street during rush hour. Bullets in these situations only hit bad guys and every legal gun owner is a marksman in combat situations and follows proper gun safety. The End.

/yes making them illegal doesn't work either. We have a violence problem in the US. Guns are just the easy way of carrying that out.
 
2012-08-24 10:48:05 AM  
If only everyone had been armed with fully automatic rifles, grenade launchers, anti-personnel mines, and mortars, this would never have happened!
 
2012-08-24 10:48:08 AM  

SomethingWitty84: Whar are all the concealed carriers that could've stopped this? WHAR!?

/they're at home, commenting on the story


It's New York. Only the criminals have guns.
 
2012-08-24 10:48:13 AM  
Silly humans, how are all your "laws" working out for you now?
 
2012-08-24 10:48:14 AM  
I dont know why I feel I need to point this out, but you can always find rational discussion on reddit when these things happen instead of the retardfest known as fark.

Link
 
2012-08-24 10:48:20 AM  

frenchcheesemuseum: I think these mass shootings have more to do with political climate than gun control issues. The media, in this election year, simply perpetuates hatred and encourages violence by using rhetoric to divide us. The outcome is that everyone hates everyone else that isn't exactly like them. All this propaganda has made it so we're all angry and anxious all the time.

The media should promote peace through compromise, and the candidates need to do the same. That is our only way out.

My opinion.


And a very good opinion it is.

I also think we should spend a boatload more on mental health in this country. If everyone were a bit less hopeless and a bit more connected to reality, we'd see these sorts of incidents dwindle to near nothing, not seem to be escalating.
 
2012-08-24 10:48:24 AM  
The Muthaship

Can we fly in a podunk sheriff to determine whether this is domestic terrorism?

Yes, "podunk sheriffs" are to blame


i.telegraph.co.uk
Nadal Malik Hasan
13 people dead and 29 others wounded as "work place violence."



ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com
podunk?
 
2012-08-24 10:48:26 AM  

Marine1: Gunny Highway: Quick everyone start acting like an authority on gun, the demographics of Manhattan, and the laws of the city and state of New York! Hurry!

Well, does anyone know what this guy was armed with?

NYC has handgun permits, no? I mean, they're made to be incredibly hard to get, but that didn't do much here. Neither did the state's ban on "assault weapons".

/Good lord I hate that term...


Are you people infants? I don't get it. Do you decry theft laws because they haven't magically stopped theft?
 
2012-08-24 10:48:31 AM  
i came here for the 'causality' corrections. please don't disappoint me, people.
 
2012-08-24 10:48:32 AM  

mikaloyd: What? Like the notoriously strict ones in New York City? Are those the ones that you hope can save you from ebil guns?


Yes, you are the victim.
 
2012-08-24 10:48:33 AM  

seadoo2006: What the fark does 5 wounded and 10 injured even mean?????


It means you're reading something that emanated from a Rupert Murdoch publication.
 
2012-08-24 10:48:35 AM  
Isn't. It difficult to own a gu in Nyc.
 
2012-08-24 10:48:45 AM  

EyeballKid: Hope you're happy, Wayne LaPierre.


nice, I can now blame the head of the gays and Obama for Bradly Manning screwing the nation over with his gay self.
 
2012-08-24 10:48:47 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: namegoeshere: Homicide is the third leading cause of workplace fatalaties, according to the Bureau of Workplace Statistics, behind onlt traffic accidents and falls.

What if you kill somebody buy pushing them off a roof into heavy traffic?


BONUS POINTS!
 
2012-08-24 10:48:58 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: LineNoise: Anyway, those arguing that gun control laws contributed to this in either direction are idiots. There were probably thousands of people on that street when he came out the door. If even a few of them started shooting in return, you would have had a lot more people hit.

WHOA BUDDY

I've been assured that can never happen. That's not how bullets work or something.


A civilian could hypothetically accidentally set his or her PVP flag.
 
2012-08-24 10:49:11 AM  

Marine1: Gunny Highway: Quick everyone start acting like an authority on gun, the demographics of Manhattan, and the laws of the city and state of New York! Hurry!

Well, does anyone know what this guy was armed with?

NYC has handgun permits, no? I mean, they're made to be incredibly hard to get, but that didn't do much here. Neither did the state's ban on "assault weapons".

/Good lord I hate that term...


Concealed carry is for all intents and purposes impossible to get in NYC. A handgun permit for your home or business is tougher than it is in other places, but is possible to get. If you have a clean record and really really want one, the average person can get it.
 
2012-08-24 10:49:14 AM  

sid244: [i290.photobucket.com image 850x690]

[i290.photobucket.com image 850x696]

So right, it is wrong.


i.imgur.com

All of the news, none of the EVERYBODY PANIC.
 
2012-08-24 10:49:16 AM  

CAADbury: Vegan Meat Popsicle: How many more shootings do we have to have in this country before people finally accept that we must have more guns?

/ this is what gun nuts actually believe

Gun nuts may believe that, but I'd rather talk about the fact that gun laws don't work at preventing gun-related crime (or crime in general).


You mean apart from the fact that with fewer guns available there will be less gun-related crime?
You'll never eradicate crime of any sort but you can reduce the number of incidents. For example, the UK has significantly less gun-related crime that the USA but that's not to say there is none just because carrying guns is illegal.

Still, I'm always baffled by the gun lobby's shouts of "for our defence" when these "man goes crazy with guns" stories appear because I can't recall a single one of them where the perpetrator was stopped by a regular person carrying a gun.
 
2012-08-24 10:49:19 AM  

seadoo2006: sid244: [i290.photobucket.com image 850x690]

[i290.photobucket.com image 850x696]

So right, it is wrong.

What the fark does 5 wounded and 10 injured even mean?????


It means they used up all their mental power to come up with a title for the shooting, leaving nothing left for the actual reporting.
 
2012-08-24 10:49:24 AM  
I blame global warming
 
2012-08-24 10:49:25 AM  

Dimensio: JerseyTim: Good news, everyone. The Hipster Cop is on the scene:
[gothamist.com image 640x478]
He'll take care of everything.

He was investigating the bodies before they were cool.


LOL. Nice.
 
2012-08-24 10:49:44 AM  

odinsposse: The entire debate about gun control is if gun control laws are effective at stopping crime. This cartoon basically says "Well if you just assume I'm right that gun control curbs gun crime, then I'm right." It is a dumb cartoon and you're dumb for thinking it's a scathing criticism of gun rights advocates.


I like the cartoon for its accuracy. The gun debate is settled, but living in a gun culture means that when a guy goes crazy and starts attacking people, he kills 10 with a gun instead of 2 or 3 with an axe.

It's not about preventing crazy people from doing crazy things; it's about simple math. We have X number of crazy people who will go on killing sprees, and the access each crazy person has to weapons makes each person capable of killing Y people in each killing spree. X times Y equals the number of people who die in massacres committed by crazy people.
 
2012-08-24 10:49:44 AM  
Clearly, more guns in the hands of civilians would have prevented this tragedy. I mean, I'm sure they'd be able to identify the perpetrator and take him out quickly, firing into a crowd and hitting only their targets.

Right?
 
2012-08-24 10:49:46 AM  
I don't want to politicize this tragedy, but I think people are missing the real cause of this. So far we're basing our opinions on rumor and early reports. 4 - 8 victims, shooting by a disgruntled worker, shooter was female.

Now my personal politics aside, I think it's pretty clear that a major contributing factor was that the shooter was not in the kitchen. Had this woman known her place, and been making sandwiches, this NEVER happens.

You can all cry "foul" and get in a huff, but Todd Akin touched on a good point: a woman's body does shut down during traumatic events, and women are emotionally fragile, so many events are traumatic for them. If you're married or dating a woman, tell her she's fat. That's all. Watch then as she freezes in confusion in front of you. She's shut down. Now try to have sex with her. Impossible, and therefor no pregnancy. Over something very minute.

Now this woman was allegedly fired from her job. But we don't know that for certain. Maybe she doesn't fit into her jeans anymore. Maybe she's upset after a sad episode of Dr. Phil. I'm not saying "I know what her motives are", only that she can't kill people at the empire state building if she's in the kitchen.
 
2012-08-24 10:49:47 AM  
Has any confirmed that this was NOT Lance Armstrong?
 
2012-08-24 10:49:54 AM  
LOL good job on fixing the headline. now, i dare you to jump into my mailbox and fix the headline there :) :) :)

in other news, this is ceasing to become news, and that is very very sad
 
2012-08-24 10:50:01 AM  
Get used to this shiat, folks. It's going to become a near weekly occurrence.
 
2012-08-24 10:50:05 AM  

OnlyM3: The Muthaship

Can we fly in a podunk sheriff to determine whether this is domestic terrorism?
Yes, "podunk sheriffs" are to blame


[i.telegraph.co.uk image 460x288]
Nadal Malik Hasan
13 people dead and 29 others wounded as "work place violence."



[ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com image 300x300]
podunk?


I love that people can't understand that it's the military that doesn't want it listed as terrorism.
 
2012-08-24 10:50:10 AM  

sweetmelissa31: 10 people were shot but let's talk about how I am oppressed by gun laws


Go try and legally purchase a hand gun in NYC. I'm not proposing that having private citizens carrying guns would have prevented this from happening. It's just that having incredibly strick guns laws did not prevent this from happening.
I don't have an answer on how to solve this problem. But throwing out moronic statements certainly is not helping to start any meaningful discussions.
 
2012-08-24 10:50:12 AM  

Insatiable Jesus: R.A.Danny: What the hell has happened to our society?

[images.politico.com image 605x328]


They're only a mirror of something else though. We've had political differences before, are the numbers really up on mass shootings or has this been going on at this rate more than I realize?
 
2012-08-24 10:50:13 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: JohnnyC: darch: Until recently, I almost never carried off duty as my Glock 26 is bulky and uncomfortable but I've changed my mind on that. I carry ALWAYS now. This shiat can happen anytime, anywhere.

But if it does, you're going to join in?

Ever notice how not one of these stores ends with, "one of the other citizens pulled their gun and killed the assailant, saving everyone"? Yeah... me either.

He would have been cut down by the police before he even got it drawn.


Pretty much. If your average citizen pulls a gun in a situation like that, they just become "one of the shooters" and are probably more likely to get themselves killed or accidentally kill someone else. Then what happens if two or three of them start pulling weapons and shooting? How in the hell are they even supposed to know who to shoot at that point?
 
2012-08-24 10:50:28 AM  

CAADbury: NeoBad: Suddenly have two thoughts. One is that the 1300 price tag of that small Kimber 45 ACP may not be so bad. Two is to go stock up on Ammo for my 9 mm.

UGH, please not a 1911 variant. 8+1 is a pretty paltry capacity nowadays.

Though, I suppose, once you're out of ammo, you can always throw the super carry pro at the bad guys. makes a pretty good blunt force instrument.




Or you can practice to the point where you wont miss with the first two rounds then it won't matter how many more you have left in the mag.....Unless you get into a multiple target situation in which case your even better off if you don't need 20 rounds to hit one target.
 
2012-08-24 10:50:29 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: What if you kill somebody buy pushing them off a roof into heavy traffic?


www.bumperstickerz.com
 
2012-08-24 10:50:30 AM  

ChrisDe: This will be an affair they'll remember.


lol nice. My wifes favorite movie. It gets played a lot around here.
 
2012-08-24 10:50:33 AM  

Mrs.Sharpier: I blame global warming


Funny, you'd think the Arabs would be used to the heat.
 
2012-08-24 10:50:39 AM  
If only everyone in the country had a concealed carry permit, maybe someone would have shot this guy years ago when he first started acting douchey.
 
2012-08-24 10:50:41 AM  

Blueintheballs: You need more guns when you have a problem with guns.


Throwing guns at a problem is never a solution. It ruins the finish on them and besides you could have an accidental discharge.

/wading in with a blazing M1911 in each hand, however, could be construed as a solution to many problems
 
2012-08-24 10:50:46 AM  

JohnnyC: Huh... I've read that Britain has had it's incidents of shooting decline for 7 years running now. Seems the evidence is against you. Perhaps you meant to say that "don't prevent them entirely"? Because they do seem to lower the number of incidents consistently.

Not saying that we should rush ahead to ban guns... just saying that you don't seem accurate at all.


Comparing the United States to Britain isn't a fair comparison. The latter is an island, so the number of guns in private hands is much lower, and getting guns illegally into the UK takes a lot more effort than places with large unguarded land borders.
 
2012-08-24 10:50:58 AM  

OnlyM3: 13 people dead and 29 others wounded as "work place violence."


Haha. Look at you linking to Townhall like a moron.

Maybe it was classified that way because he was an employee of the base who shot other employees of the base and there still hasn't been any clear explanation for why he did what he did?

But that's boring. Better to just go all full retard and run off to Townhall for your derpsplanation, right?
 
2012-08-24 10:51:10 AM  

WTF Indeed: seadoo2006: sid244: [i290.photobucket.com image 850x690]

[i290.photobucket.com image 850x696]

So right, it is wrong.

What the fark does 5 wounded and 10 injured even mean?????

It means they used up all their mental power to come up with a title for the shooting, leaving nothing left for the actual reporting.


images.sodahead.com
 
2012-08-24 10:51:20 AM  

OnlyM3: Yes, "podunk sheriffs" are to blame


I was referring to the sheriff at the Sikh temple shooting immediately calling it an act of domestic terrorism.

He had his reasons, it got him instant FBI assistance.

/not saying it wasn't
//just maybe he was a little quick with the proclamation....
 
2012-08-24 10:51:35 AM  
The speed with which people jump to conclusions fascinates me.

No one has any idea about what the hell is going on, the gunman's motives/background, etc. etc. and we're already having a debate about gun control.
Get a grip.
 
2012-08-24 10:51:40 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Clearly we need to make guns legal in NYC so that random strangers can open fire on the suspect on a crowded street during rush hour. Bullets in these situations only hit bad guys and every legal gun owner is a marksman in combat situations and follows proper gun safety. The End.

/yes making them illegal doesn't work either. We have a violence problem in the US. Guns are just the easy way of carrying that out.


This is a violence/gun thread. Please take your reasoned and sane opinion to another thread. Only extreme uninformed opinions here please.

/You also happen to be correct but that's beside the point!
 
2012-08-24 10:51:46 AM  

Forced Perspective: Oddly enough, The Onion published this article yesterday (16 hours ago): http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-celebrates-full-week-without-d eadly-mass-sh,29293/

NEW YORK-Cheers filled the streets and American flags waved triumphantly through the air today as the nation turned out in full force to celebrate an entire week having passed since the last time a madman opened fire on innocent civilians in some kind of fatal mass shooting. "We did it, folks! We banded together and managed to go seven whole days without killing our fellow Americans in a senseless murdering spree!" Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano said in a speech to jubilant throngs gathered in Times Square. "Yes, some people were shot this week, but not in a random, highly public, viscerally disturbing way and-most importantly-not all in one place, by one psychopath. Maybe one day we can live in a society where abominable large-scale gun violence stays out of the national headlines for a whole month even!" At press time, federal authorities had issued a reminder to all Americans that a lot can happen in 24 hours, "so let's not get too excited yet.


UPDATE: Nevermind.
 
2012-08-24 10:51:50 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Like James Holmes? He was a model American until he decided to stop being a model American. Maybe today is your day.


I was more referring to Floyd Lee Corkins II shooting, the democrat and shooter in DC recently - you know, another "gun free zone"

A google search for that brings up only 73,100 hits....

yet 'James Homes shooting' brings up 53,100,000
 
2012-08-24 10:51:56 AM  
5 wounded,10 injured, 20 hurt, 40 maimed, and 80 people were slightly distracted this morning...
 
2012-08-24 10:52:11 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Are those gun control policies reasonable?

Yes, NYC enjoys some of the lowest gun crime per capita of any major city on the planet.


For what reason, then, does Chicago -- with similarly restrictive laws regarding firearm possession -- not enjoy "some of the lowest gun crime per capita of any major city on the planet"?
 
2012-08-24 10:52:13 AM  
Every cloud has a silver lining. maybe this will scare off some of the mid-west cows for a while, and i can actually walk down the sidewalk without having to play "dodge the hick"
 
2012-08-24 10:52:26 AM  

Blueintheballs: You need more guns when you have a problem with guns.


Kind of like tax cuts.
 
2012-08-24 10:52:41 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: seadoo2006: What the fark does 5 wounded and 10 injured even mean?????

It means you're reading something that emanated from a Rupert Murdoch publication.


ironic, considering I just googled "5 wounded and 10 injured," and the top 2 results...

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/06/10/5-dead-35-wounded-in-weekend- sh ootings/

http://www.wgntv.com/news/wgntv-5-dead-10-hurt-by-gun-violence-in-le ss -than-24-hours-20120803,0,5579373.story

the mainstream media doesns't have a liberal narrative do rite?
 
2012-08-24 10:52:47 AM  

Coco LaFemme: Brooklyn has turned into Tombstone ca. 1876, Chicago is starting to take that crown from them.....can we PLEASE have discussion about reasonable gun control in this farking country?


Absolutely no! Now's not the time for that, it's just crass. Wait a few weeks, maybe a month, and when another shooting happens, you'll know that the time right before that would have been the appropriate time to discuss reasonable gun control.

THIS IS WHAT GUN NUTS ACTUALLY THINK.
 
2012-08-24 10:52:52 AM  
Well, now is certainly not the time to be talking about gun control. Again.
 
2012-08-24 10:53:04 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Marine1: Gunny Highway: Quick everyone start acting like an authority on gun, the demographics of Manhattan, and the laws of the city and state of New York! Hurry!

Well, does anyone know what this guy was armed with?

NYC has handgun permits, no? I mean, they're made to be incredibly hard to get, but that didn't do much here. Neither did the state's ban on "assault weapons".

/Good lord I hate that term...

Are you people infants? I don't get it. Do you decry theft laws because they haven't magically stopped theft?


No, because they're meant to punish theft. It's a reactionary system. You commit theft, get caught, go to trial, and if the government does its part, you get punished in a manner prescribed by law.

Restrictions on firearms are, in theory, supposed to stop these sorts of things from happening. The problem is, they don't. Guy gets gun, and... well, no one knows about it, unless that guy does something drastic like this. If this guy had lived, the prosecutor wouldn't have made possession of an unlicensed firearm the crown jewel in his battery of charges. The counts of murder would have taken that honor.
 
2012-08-24 10:53:07 AM  
Why is everyone so quick to call police 'heros' when it's just part of their job?
 
2012-08-24 10:53:16 AM  

OnlyM3: The Muthaship

Can we fly in a podunk sheriff to determine whether this is domestic terrorism?
Yes, "podunk sheriffs" are to blame


[i.telegraph.co.uk image 460x288]
Nadal Malik Hasan
13 people dead and 29 others wounded as "work place violence."



[ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com image 300x300]
podunk?


???????????
 
2012-08-24 10:53:18 AM  

JerseyTim: FreakinB: I just got calls from both my mom and my girlfriend asking me if I was at work. At first I was like, yeah, why wouldn't I be?

My sister did the same thing. She texted me. Apparently, she thinks the city is just one two-block radius.


To be fair I do that the train from the suburbs to Penn, which is close-ish to the ESB. And your mom and your girlfriend (and your sister, but I don't have one) are always going to worry. But yeah, lots of ground to cover. My dad's the bigger concern, he works much closer to there and his walk to his office takes him within a couple of blocks. But he's good.
 
2012-08-24 10:53:30 AM  

JerseyTim: This is why you fire people on Fridays. That's just some bad management.


"Indeed"

www.elevenwarriors.com

 
2012-08-24 10:53:41 AM  

retarded: Well, now is certainly not the time to be talking about gun control. Again.


What? I thought we solved this debate after the last shooting
 
2012-08-24 10:53:48 AM  

hippyneil: Still, I'm always baffled by the gun lobby's shouts of "for our defence" when these "man goes crazy with guns" stories appear because I can't recall a single one of them where the perpetrator was stopped by a regular person carrying a gun.


For the record, I'm not making the "for our defense" argument.
 
2012-08-24 10:53:56 AM  

limeyfellow: I Said: Richard Flaccid: OMG A woman mass shooter!

Palin DEMOLISHED the glass ceiling

Oh please! Palin wouldn't do a mass shooting. Get over yourself. She would shoot one person and then quit.


She might shoot AT one person. They'd probably be okay, didn't she demonstrate she's a horrible shot on her show?
 
2012-08-24 10:54:04 AM  

Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Are those gun control policies reasonable?

Yes, NYC enjoys some of the lowest gun crime per capita of any major city on the planet.

For what reason, then, does Chicago -- with similarly restrictive laws regarding firearm possession -- not enjoy "some of the lowest gun crime per capita of any major city on the planet"?


Their gun crime numbers have been declining for years.

But it's likely due to not being organized as well as the NYPD.
 
2012-08-24 10:54:08 AM  

R.A.Danny: What the hell has happened to our society?


To me, at least, it sounds uncomfortably like an outbreak of amok: once thought to be a culture-bound disorder of Malaysia, but characterized by these kinds of berserk rampages (though the concept of amok predates the gun by many years).

It's better for these people to be cut down before deciding that they're finished with the attack, which is the only way any lives get saved: when the shooter kills himself, he's already decided not to kill anyone else. But when a shooter survives, as they sometimes do, we should take the opportunity to study them. It sounds like that won't be the case here, but I can't call this a worse outcome, because it means this guy didn't get to kill everyone he'd wanted to.
 
2012-08-24 10:54:19 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: But thanks for adding evidence to my point!


If by 'point' you mean 'mantra I repeat in hopes that it will come true', then you're welcome. Happy to help.

/You're really going to base your opinions of all gun owners on the remarks of Fark trolls? Alrighty then.
 
2012-08-24 10:54:44 AM  

Stoj: 5 wounded,10 injured, 20 hurt, 40 maimed, and 80 people were slightly distracted this morning...


Don't forget the dozens that were panicked, thousands that were shaken, and the millions that were afeared.
 
2012-08-24 10:54:45 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Marine1: Gunny Highway: Quick everyone start acting like an authority on gun, the demographics of Manhattan, and the laws of the city and state of New York! Hurry!

Well, does anyone know what this guy was armed with?

NYC has handgun permits, no? I mean, they're made to be incredibly hard to get, but that didn't do much here. Neither did the state's ban on "assault weapons".

/Good lord I hate that term...

Are you people infants? I don't get it. Do you decry theft laws because they haven't magically stopped theft?


I think the idea is, no one is seriously arguing there are downsides to theft laws, like infringing on any guaranteed rights. If there is a law with perceived cost to a person's rights and the perceived benefits of that law arguable or spurious, there will be compaints.
 
2012-08-24 10:54:49 AM  

imtheonlylp: Shirley more gun laws would curtail this type of behavior, no?


Don't call me Shirley.
 
2012-08-24 10:54:53 AM  

Godscrack: Why is everyone so quick to call police 'heros' when it's just part of their job?


Because training or not, confronting someone who is clearly willing to shoot others is heroic.
 
2012-08-24 10:55:39 AM  

Dimensio: JerseyTim: Good news, everyone. The Hipster Cop is on the scene:
[gothamist.com image 640x478]
He'll take care of everything.

He was investigating the bodies before they were cool.


Now that is f*cking awesome.
 
2012-08-24 10:55:51 AM  
Is this why the subways were farked up this morning? Had to walk to work, didn't realize anything was going on.
 
2012-08-24 10:55:56 AM  

Epicedion: Stoj: 5 wounded,10 injured, 20 hurt, 40 maimed, and 80 people were slightly distracted this morning...

Don't forget the dozens that were panicked, thousands that were shaken, and the millions that were afeared.


Teehee.
 
2012-08-24 10:56:09 AM  

Coco LaFemme: Brooklyn has turned into Tombstone ca. 1876, Chicago is starting to take that crown from them.....can we PLEASE have discussion about reasonable gun control in this farking country?


Perhaps "reasonable" restrictions, such as a strict and arbitrary "may-issue" permitting system for even private possession of firearms, a complete prohibition upon the carrying of firearms in public by civilians (or, at the very least, restricting permits to do so to a "may-issue" basis and approving only for wealthy and famous individuals), an "assault weapons ban" and restrictions upon firearm magazine capacity would reduce rates of violence in the cities of New York and Chicago.
 
2012-08-24 10:56:19 AM  

Marine1: Gunny Highway: Quick everyone start acting like an authority on gun, the demographics of Manhattan, and the laws of the city and state of New York! Hurry!

Well, does anyone know what this guy was armed with?

NYC has handgun permits, no? I mean, they're made to be incredibly hard to get, but that didn't do much here. Neither did the state's ban on "assault weapons".

/Good lord I hate that term...


From what limited reports I've seen, it appears he was using a short barrel ( aka sawed off) shotgun. Those guns are illegal for 99.9% of people in the US to own, but it's not exactly rocket science to take a hack saw and cut off the end of a shotgun barrel.
 
2012-08-24 10:56:20 AM  
seadoo2006:

What the fark does 5 wounded and 10 injured even mean?????


the ones listed as injured but not wounded was probably trampled in the Chinese fire drill to get the frack away from the crazy guy shooting people.
 
2012-08-24 10:56:24 AM  

Epicedion: Stoj: 5 wounded,10 injured, 20 hurt, 40 maimed, and 80 people were slightly distracted this morning...

Don't forget the dozens that were panicked, thousands that were shaken, and the millions that were afeared.


and the billions outraged!!!
 
2012-08-24 10:56:28 AM  

I Said: Godscrack: Why is everyone so quick to call police 'heros' when it's just part of their job?

Because training or not, confronting someone who is clearly willing to shoot others is heroic.


This standard would make drug dealers heroic.
 
2012-08-24 10:56:42 AM  

DamnYankees: Is this why the subways were farked up this morning? Had to walk to work, didn't realize anything was going on.


We will overcome
 
2012-08-24 10:56:44 AM  

vegasj: HotWingConspiracy: Like James Holmes? He was a model American until he decided to stop being a model American. Maybe today is your day.

I was more referring to Floyd Lee Corkins II shooting, the democrat and shooter in DC recently - you know, another "gun free zone"

A google search for that brings up only 73,100 hits....

yet 'James Homes shooting' brings up 53,100,000


Maybe has to do with him managing a flesh wound, and Holmes racking up a kill list that included unborn children.

But again, are you really so dumb that you can't comprehend the purpose of those zones? You do believe in deterrent, right?
 
2012-08-24 10:56:51 AM  
THIS WILL MAKE MY COMMUTE SUCK
 
2012-08-24 10:57:07 AM  

Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Are those gun control policies reasonable?

Yes, NYC enjoys some of the lowest gun crime per capita of any major city on the planet.

For what reason, then, does Chicago -- with similarly restrictive laws regarding firearm possession -- not enjoy "some of the lowest gun crime per capita of any major city on the planet"?


Honestly, a big part of that is probably because it is relatively easy to get a gun by just driving outside of the city limits of chicago. In NY you still have to go a few states away before it is as easy.
 
2012-08-24 10:57:11 AM  

I Said: DamnYankees: Is this why the subways were farked up this morning? Had to walk to work, didn't realize anything was going on.

We will overcome


Thank you, brother. We all need support in times like these.
 
2012-08-24 10:57:22 AM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-08-24 10:57:30 AM  

CAADbury: JohnnyC: Huh... I've read that Britain has had it's incidents of shooting decline for 7 years running now. Seems the evidence is against you. Perhaps you meant to say that "don't prevent them entirely"? Because they do seem to lower the number of incidents consistently.

Not saying that we should rush ahead to ban guns... just saying that you don't seem accurate at all.

Comparing the United States to Britain isn't a fair comparison. The latter is an island, so the number of guns in private hands is much lower, and getting guns illegally into the UK takes a lot more effort than places with large unguarded land borders.


So... you're trying to say that merely carrying guns into Britain is harder? Not that the reason it's harder to get them into Britain is because they're banned there? Really? Pssst... the reason it's harder to get them into Britain is because they're banned there.

Yes... it would likely be more difficult to check for them with such large borders, but I don't think you thought your reply all the way through.
 
2012-08-24 10:57:39 AM  

DamnYankees: I Said: Godscrack: Why is everyone so quick to call police 'heros' when it's just part of their job?

Because training or not, confronting someone who is clearly willing to shoot others is heroic.

This standard would make drug dealers heroic.


I could have added "for the safety of others" but I assumed that was obvious
 
2012-08-24 10:57:45 AM  

frenchcheesemuseum: I think these mass shootings have more to do with political climate than gun control issues. The media, in this election year, simply perpetuates hatred and encourages violence by using rhetoric to divide us. The outcome is that everyone hates everyone else that isn't exactly like them. All this propaganda has made it so we're all angry and anxious all the time.

The media should promote peace through compromise, and the candidates need to do the same. That is our only way out.

My opinion.


I think it's likely this, combined with mentally unstable people being out on the street and having easy access to firearms. I'm hugely pro-gun, but if you're not mentally healthy, you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a gun. This country is ignoring its mental health issues and it's getting people killed. Sane, rational people don't go massacre innocents because some radio blowhard said they were the enemy.
 
2012-08-24 10:57:52 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-24 10:57:55 AM  

spentmiles: I'm sure it's all just a big misunderstanding. Relax people.


Your absence of a long, humourous fictional account of your supposed direct experience with the shooting is disappointing.
 
2012-08-24 10:58:02 AM  
I'm beginning to think the "mass shooting crisis" is becoming an election year phenomena like the "mass homelessness during republican presidents"

http://projects.nytimes.com/crime/homicides/map/

Here's a map New York City shootings over the past few years. Yes, even Manhatten is well represented.

Not exactly an everyday thing for New York, but certainly not too out of the ordinary.
 
2012-08-24 10:58:13 AM  

I Said: I could have added "for the safety of others" but I assumed that was obvious


Ya, I was being trollish. Apologies.
 
2012-08-24 10:58:14 AM  

rocinante721: THIS WILL MAKE MY COMMUTE SUCK


08/24 NEVER FORGET
 
2012-08-24 10:58:27 AM  

vegasj: A google search for that brings up only 73,100 hits....

yet 'James Homes shooting' brings up 53,100,000


WELL THAT PROVES EVERYTHING!

Or maybe it proves that a story in which a maniac opens fire in a crowded theater with tear gas, full body armor and heavy weaponry, killing 12 people and wounding 58 others is a bit more notable than some idiot walking into a hate group's headquarter and shooting a security guard in the arm.

Right or wrong, body count matters to the amount of interest shown in a news story. And I fail to see your point anyway. That jackass is just as good an example of why there should be stricter gun laws as anybody who does this shiat. Do you think because he isn't white people are going to say what he did was okay?

I don't get your point.
 
2012-08-24 10:58:36 AM  

hippyneil: CAADbury: Vegan Meat Popsicle: How many more shootings do we have to have in this country before people finally accept that we must have more guns?

/ this is what gun nuts actually believe

Gun nuts may believe that, but I'd rather talk about the fact that gun laws don't work at preventing gun-related crime (or crime in general).

You mean apart from the fact that with fewer guns available there will be less gun-related crime?
You'll never eradicate crime of any sort but you can reduce the number of incidents. For example, the UK has significantly less gun-related crime that the USA but that's not to say there is none just because carrying guns is illegal.

Still, I'm always baffled by the gun lobby's shouts of "for our defence" when these "man goes crazy with guns" stories appear because I can't recall a single one of them where the perpetrator was stopped by a regular person carrying a gun.


That situation doesn't work here, because it's illegal for most people to carry a firearm within NYC city limits. Now, if you're talking about some place in Texas, that example works.

The other problem with your example is that within the realm of violent crime, these mass shootings are statistical anomalies. Things like rape, robbery, assault, attempted murder, etc. are all much more common and are situations where a potential victim could benefit from using a possessed firearm as a last line of defense.
 
2012-08-24 10:58:46 AM  

DamnYankees: Is this why the subways were farked up this morning? Had to walk to work, didn't realize anything was going on.


The news is doing a really crappy job of reporting the status of mass transit. I thought this was NYC. Every 5 minutes during an event like this they should be telling me if the N train is skipping 34th street or something. I have lunch plans I need to consider here.
 
2012-08-24 10:58:47 AM  

Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Are those gun control policies reasonable?

Yes, NYC enjoys some of the lowest gun crime per capita of any major city on the planet.

For what reason, then, does Chicago -- with similarly restrictive laws regarding firearm possession -- not enjoy "some of the lowest gun crime per capita of any major city on the planet"?


blacks?
 
2012-08-24 10:59:18 AM  

imontheinternet: I like the cartoon for its accuracy. The gun debate is settled, but living in a gun culture means that when a guy goes crazy and starts attacking people, he kills 10 with a gun instead of 2 or 3 with an axe.

It's not about preventing crazy people from doing crazy things; it's about simple math. We have X number of crazy people who will go on killing sprees, and the access each crazy person has to weapons makes each person capable of killing Y people in each killing spree. X times Y equals the number of people who die in massacres committed by crazy people.


You're assuming that gun laws will actually change that. There is no reason to do so. You can't just hand wave the other side of the debate away because it makes you feel good.
 
2012-08-24 10:59:22 AM  
Another reminder to keep your employees gruntled.
 
2012-08-24 10:59:32 AM  
More signs of the end of the world on December 21st, of course.
 
2012-08-24 10:59:33 AM  
Sure hope it doesnt end up being that the disgruntled worker killed his target, then the police shot him and 8 other people in the background......
 
2012-08-24 10:59:48 AM  

seadoo2006: sid244: [i290.photobucket.com image 850x690]

[i290.photobucket.com image 850x696]

So right, it is wrong.

What the fark does 5 wounded and 10 injured even mean?????


Five people hit with bullets are wounded, the injured are just bruises and abrasions from falling down/getting stepped on/taking cover, etc. Except one guy who pulled a hammie outrunning Usain Bolt's record.
 
2012-08-24 11:00:03 AM  
meanwhile

i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-24 11:00:13 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x500]


once I posted a pic I took of a jumper who splatted it was tamer than that pic and got yanked in a new york minute.
 
2012-08-24 11:00:27 AM  

Marine1: HotWingConspiracy: Marine1: Gunny Highway: Quick everyone start acting like an authority on gun, the demographics of Manhattan, and the laws of the city and state of New York! Hurry!

Well, does anyone know what this guy was armed with?

NYC has handgun permits, no? I mean, they're made to be incredibly hard to get, but that didn't do much here. Neither did the state's ban on "assault weapons".

/Good lord I hate that term...

Are you people infants? I don't get it. Do you decry theft laws because they haven't magically stopped theft?

No, because they're meant to punish theft. It's a reactionary system. You commit theft, get caught, go to trial, and if the government does its part, you get punished in a manner prescribed by law.

Restrictions on firearms are, in theory, supposed to stop these sorts of things from happening. The problem is, they don't.


And loose gun regulations do? Draw me that map, I'm not seeing it.

It's kind of an impossible claim, anyway, as there is no telling how many people were deterred by not being able to get their hands on a weapon when they were feeling shooty.
 
2012-08-24 11:00:37 AM  

I Said: Godscrack: Why is everyone so quick to call police 'heros' when it's just part of their job?

Because training or not, confronting someone who is clearly willing to shoot others is heroic.


A hero would be a tourist, or a regular person who has no training, puts his or her life on the line, or lose their life, to save another life/lives. Police have all the training, but they get called into a situation, mentally prepared.

A real hero has to deal with a situation, untrained with no warning.
 
2012-08-24 11:00:45 AM  

cassanovascotian: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 372x400]


wrong stupid.
 
2012-08-24 11:00:50 AM  
I wish the English language had a few more words. When I read that 10 persons were shot, that translates to me that 10 people died.
 
2012-08-24 11:01:10 AM  
I can't believe someone hasn't used the Simpsons 0 days since accident lenny toon yet.

I would be I'm not so good at the photoshop outside of real estate appraisal purposes.

/also still haven't figured out how to post a pic to fark.
//I'm ok with that
 
2012-08-24 11:01:52 AM  
Which concealed-carrying hero slayed the gunman before he could kill 50 more people?
 
2012-08-24 11:02:03 AM  

Freakin Rican: crazy over here right now.
i work across the street.
cops and tourist everywhere


Worst. Haiku. Ever.
 
2012-08-24 11:02:14 AM  

CAADbury: JohnnyC: Huh... I've read that Britain has had it's incidents of shooting decline for 7 years running now. Seems the evidence is against you. Perhaps you meant to say that "don't prevent them entirely"? Because they do seem to lower the number of incidents consistently.

Not saying that we should rush ahead to ban guns... just saying that you don't seem accurate at all.

Comparing the United States to Britain isn't a fair comparison. The latter is an island, so the number of guns in private hands is much lower, and getting guns illegally into the UK takes a lot more effort than places with large unguarded land borders.


I never understand why everyone compares the US to the UK on this issue. For similar economies, culture, and demographics, Brazil would be a much closer comparison as to the efficacy of gun regulations.
 
2012-08-24 11:02:20 AM  

JolobinSmokin: I can't believe someone hasn't used the Simpsons 0 days since accident lenny toon yet.

I would be I'm not so good at the photoshop outside of real estate appraisal purposes.

/also still haven't figured out how to post a pic to fark.
//I'm ok with that


You sound old... just sayin'
 
2012-08-24 11:02:23 AM  
Amerika really does need to take Bill Hicks'ssssss advice and kill itself.

What a shiat stain on the world.
 
2012-08-24 11:02:38 AM  

LineNoise: hdhale: BunkoSquad: LineNoise: most of the injuries being people caught in the gunfight with cops.

No, that can't be right, because an armed person responding to a crazed gunman will calmly and efficiently subdue the killer with one well-placed head shot, at least according to last month's issue of Internet Hero Fantasy Jerkoff Magazine.

You'll have to wait for the ballistics report on how many of the rounds hitting civilians were actually fired by cops. I look forward the final report.

Actually latest reports is he walked into a business across the street that supposedly owed him monday. Shot the manager, a few other people there, and then got into a gunfight with the cops on his way out the door.

Anyway, those arguing that gun control laws contributed to this in either direction are idiots. There were probably thousands of people on that street when he came out the door. If even a few of them started shooting in return, you would have had a lot more people hit.


I will respectfully disagree. People emptying a clip in the general direction of a bad guy is more of a wartime thing. Mostly people in a street situation like that get the hell out of the way and only shoot if the guy appears coming directly at them. Actually they are much more likely to freeze than shoot.
 
2012-08-24 11:02:42 AM  

Godscrack: I Said: Godscrack: Why is everyone so quick to call police 'heros' when it's just part of their job?

Because training or not, confronting someone who is clearly willing to shoot others is heroic.

A hero would be a tourist, or a regular person who has no training, puts his or her life on the line, or lose their life, to save another life/lives. Police have all the training, but they get called into a situation, mentally prepared.

A real hero has to deal with a situation, untrained with no warning.


Look, if someone's stepping up to handle someone shooting in my general vicinity, that person is my hero regardless of whether or not it's in his/her job description.
 
2012-08-24 11:02:50 AM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-08-24 11:03:10 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x500]


What are we looking at here? The shooter I hope? Yikes...

And if you're gonna be a big enough azzhat to be a major news story, shouldn't you dress up a little? I mean, I know it's causal Friday and all, but does that rule apply to psychopathic mass killers too?
 
2012-08-24 11:03:11 AM  

jigger: meanwhile

[i.imgur.com image 850x668]


Why is it called a Free Speech Unit?
 
2012-08-24 11:03:14 AM  

cassanovascotian: 4.bp.blogspot.com


Magazine holds 100 bullets??? O RLY???

Funny. Never happens in a place where you would reasonably expect to find people armed. Never at police stations, armories, turkey shoots, gun shows, firing ranges, or police conventions. I wonder why this is?
 
2012-08-24 11:03:19 AM  

Godscrack: I Said: Godscrack: Why is everyone so quick to call police 'heros' when it's just part of their job?

Because training or not, confronting someone who is clearly willing to shoot others is heroic.

A hero would be a tourist, or a regular person who has no training, puts his or her life on the line, or lose their life, to save another life/lives. Police have all the training, but they get called into a situation, mentally prepared.

A real hero has to deal with a situation, untrained with no warning.


Hey, look, it's one of the congressmen who voted against the 9/11 responders' pay!
 
gja
2012-08-24 11:03:28 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: How many more shootings do we have to have in this country before people finally accept that we must have more guns?

/ this is what gun nuts actually believe


No, we NEED to focus more on WHY people are getting to this point in their lives. This is becoming endemic in our society as more people are quite literally pushed past their limit to deal with the stresses and hardships.
Am I saying "...it's OK to shoot up the joint because you are stressed out working 3 jobs to make ends meet and you get fired so get all kill-y"?

NO. Just that this will likely happen more and more until there is more stability in the economy (worldwide) and we learn to be better in dealing with each other. There is such a disgusting lack of civility and kindness that permeates our society as a whole it is really saddening.

VMP, stop being so flippant. You obviously have an agenda where guns are concerned. At least have the spine to say that clearly and not try to thinly veil it so as to place everyone that does not share your "ZOMG guns are teh ev-ill" view in the "GUN NUT" bucket.

Many who have no problem with gun ownership are NOT "gun nuts"
 
2012-08-24 11:03:44 AM  

USP .45: the mainstream media doesns't have a liberal narrative do rite?


WTF is that even supposed to mean? Because high crime areas embroiled in a gang war have higher crime the media is liberal?

Noticeably F.A.T.: /You're really going to base your opinions of all gun owners on the remarks of Fark trolls? Alrighty then.


Yea, yea, blah blah. For twenty years now you nuts have all been telling me you're not part of the problem it's just a few other bad eggs.

Bullshiat. You don't get the benefit of the doubt anymore. You're all unreasonable lunatics who care more about easy access to your penis extenders than anything else. When the NRA and its completely unreasonable campaign against fair and reasonable gun laws stops receiving massive widespread support from the gun community I'll start to consider giving you nuts the benefit of the doubt again.
 
2012-08-24 11:03:50 AM  
This just in...
i290.photobucket.com

CNN...still the same as my previous post
 
2012-08-24 11:03:55 AM  

hdhale: LineNoise: hdhale: BunkoSquad: LineNoise: most of the injuries being people caught in the gunfight with cops.

No, that can't be right, because an armed person responding to a crazed gunman will calmly and efficiently subdue the killer with one well-placed head shot, at least according to last month's issue of Internet Hero Fantasy Jerkoff Magazine.

You'll have to wait for the ballistics report on how many of the rounds hitting civilians were actually fired by cops. I look forward the final report.

Actually latest reports is he walked into a business across the street that supposedly owed him monday. Shot the manager, a few other people there, and then got into a gunfight with the cops on his way out the door.

Anyway, those arguing that gun control laws contributed to this in either direction are idiots. There were probably thousands of people on that street when he came out the door. If even a few of them started shooting in return, you would have had a lot more people hit.

I will respectfully disagree. People emptying a clip in the general direction of a bad guy is more of a wartime thing. Mostly people in a street situation like that get the hell out of the way and only shoot if the guy appears coming directly at them. Actually they are much more likely to freeze than shoot.


So what you are saying is even if they all were armed, it wouldn't have made a difference?
 
2012-08-24 11:04:02 AM  

DamnYankees: I Said: I could have added "for the safety of others" but I assumed that was obvious

Ya, I was being trollish. Apologies.


my bad for not realizing
 
2012-08-24 11:04:28 AM  

hippyneil: CAADbury: Vegan Meat Popsicle: How many more shootings do we have to have in this country before people finally accept that we must have more guns?

/ this is what gun nuts actually believe

Gun nuts may believe that, but I'd rather talk about the fact that gun laws don't work at preventing gun-related crime (or crime in general).

You mean apart from the fact that with fewer guns available there will be less gun-related crime?
You'll never eradicate crime of any sort but you can reduce the number of incidents. For example, the UK has significantly less gun-related crime that the USA but that's not to say there is none just because carrying guns is illegal.

Still, I'm always baffled by the gun lobby's shouts of "for our defence" when these "man goes crazy with guns" stories appear because I can't recall a single one of them where the perpetrator was stopped by a regular person carrying a gun.


Is there in existence a statistic showing the breakdown of the following:

1.) Accidental shootings
2.) Criminal shootings
3.) Home Invaders being shot
4.) Crimes stopped by or prevented by shooting

Types of guns used in all instances and method of acquisition?
 
2012-08-24 11:04:41 AM  

Godscrack: I Said: Godscrack: Why is everyone so quick to call police 'heros' when it's just part of their job?

Because training or not, confronting someone who is clearly willing to shoot others is heroic.

A hero would be a tourist, or a regular person who has no training, puts his or her life on the line, or lose their life, to save another life/lives. Police have all the training, but they get called into a situation, mentally prepared.

A real hero has to deal with a situation, untrained with no warning.


Are you mocking the cops at Columbine, who get paid to serve and protect, but sat outside while children were getting shot? Because that was like 15 years ago. And saving people during break time violates union policy. So get over it.
 
2012-08-24 11:04:45 AM  

ltdanman44: pinktaco4lunch: So one dead is a mass causality?

4 confirmed


How about if the total killed is less than the passenger capacity of a mid size sedan we stop calling it a "mass" killing?
 
2012-08-24 11:05:04 AM  

Mrs.Sharpier: Dusk-You-n-Me: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x500]

once I posted a pic I took of a jumper who splatted it was tamer than that pic and got yanked in a new york minute.


I was thinking this photo wouldn't make it long.

/oh. And. Yuck.
 
2012-08-24 11:05:41 AM  

ChuDogg: I never understand why everyone compares the US to the UK on this issue. For similar economies, culture, and demographics, Brazil would be a much closer comparison as to the efficacy of gun regulations.


Guns aren't banned in Brazil... and that would be why you can never understand.
 
2012-08-24 11:05:50 AM  

palelizard: seadoo2006: sid244: [i290.photobucket.com image 850x690]

[i290.photobucket.com image 850x696]

So right, it is wrong.

What the fark does 5 wounded and 10 injured even mean?????

Five people hit with bullets are wounded, the injured are just bruises and abrasions from falling down/getting stepped on/taking cover, etc. Except one guy who pulled a hammie outrunning Usain Bolt's record.


Ah that makes a lot of sense.
 
2012-08-24 11:05:59 AM  
I wonder if he was armed with a Glock.

upload.wikimedia.org

/Glock
 
2012-08-24 11:06:09 AM  
Still too soon to talk about gun control?
 
2012-08-24 11:06:09 AM  
How does this count towards the murder rate in the country? I thought us East Coasters were un-American because we vote democrat and kill babies.
 
2012-08-24 11:06:17 AM  
Well, shiat.
 
2012-08-24 11:06:20 AM  
CNN reports they have no updates from the police, but an intensive Google search has turned up several Tea Party Members who live and work in New York City.
 
2012-08-24 11:06:21 AM  

HAMMERTOE: Funny. Never happens in a place where you would reasonably expect to find people armed. Never at police stations, armories, turkey shoots, gun shows, firing ranges, or police conventions. I wonder why this is?


You mean, like the United States? ... funny cuz it seems like it happens all the farking time!
Care to compare rates of gun crimes between the US and any other country on the planet with a reasonably sane set of gun control laws?
 
2012-08-24 11:06:42 AM  

ltdanman44: pinktaco4lunch: So one dead is a mass causality?

4 confirmed


Four? How many more?
 
2012-08-24 11:07:00 AM  
If only America had strict gun laws like Norway, horrific shootings like this would never happen.
 
2012-08-24 11:07:01 AM  

HAMMERTOE: cassanovascotian: 4.bp.blogspot.com

Magazine holds 100 bullets??? O RLY???

Funny. Never happens in a place where you would reasonably expect to find people armed. Never at police stations, armories, turkey shoots, gun shows, firing ranges, or police conventions. I wonder why this is?


it's just a moron from a place where no one talks normally making a logical fallacy in the form of a picture, because he's too impotent to try and actually express the point in his own words. the AWB didn't prevent sale of existing magazines and rifles, so it would have had zero effect on anything. Also, Holmes' AR jammed anyways.
 
2012-08-24 11:07:09 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x235]


bwahaha
 
2012-08-24 11:07:09 AM  
betasp: "0.0000012837303478575151% of US Population = MASS CASUALTY!!!!!"

So, by your math, someone could shoot 1700-some people in China and it shouldn't be considered a big deal?
Or maybe "percentage of population" has jack-all to do with a reasonable definition of 'mass'?
 
2012-08-24 11:07:52 AM  
Gunzgunzgunzgunz!! Gunzgunzgunzgunzgunzgunzgunz! 

Ooh ooh ah ah. *Grunt* Gunz. *scratch, burp*

/Gunzgunz.
 
2012-08-24 11:07:59 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: Godscrack: I Said: Godscrack: Why is everyone so quick to call police 'heros' when it's just part of their job?

Because training or not, confronting someone who is clearly willing to shoot others is heroic.

A hero would be a tourist, or a regular person who has no training, puts his or her life on the line, or lose their life, to save another life/lives. Police have all the training, but they get called into a situation, mentally prepared.

A real hero has to deal with a situation, untrained with no warning.

Are you mocking the cops at Columbine, who get paid to serve and protect, but sat outside while children were getting shot? Because that was like 15 years ago. And saving people during break time violates union policy. So get over it.


yes because it was all about the police union. that's why those kids died. not the paranoid gun culture in America. Not the prevalence and glorification of violence in our society. Not the fear mongering over sensationalist news media. it was unions and Demorats.
 
2012-08-24 11:08:02 AM  
This is becoming as rare as stupid stickup men and disfunctionality in Florida.

Jeeze!
 
2012-08-24 11:08:08 AM  

Epicedion: I wonder if he was armed with a Glock.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 800x297]

/Glock


Likes like an automatic as well.
 
2012-08-24 11:08:15 AM  

Sultan Of Herf: ltdanman44: pinktaco4lunch: So one dead is a mass causality?

4 confirmed

How about if the total killed is less than the passenger capacity of a mid size sedan we stop calling it a "mass" killing?


Unless it happens in Massachusetts, I'd say it shouldn't be called a "mass" killing...unless you can fill a minivan with the fatally wounded, assuming the victims aren't wicked fat.
 
2012-08-24 11:08:18 AM  

namegoeshere: Stoj: Two guys in a car shot 8 people in Chicago last night. 6 of the 8 were teenagers.


Step it up, New York.

Yes, that was all over the national MSM all night. Couldn't get any other news... Oh wait, no it wasn't. First I'm hearing of it, actually.

If somebody had shot 6 kids in Queens, nobody would care.



Until approximately 10:30am, my news banner was flashing alerts about "2 people killed in Chicago shooting", at about 10:30, it switched to this.
 
2012-08-24 11:08:20 AM  

odinsposse: imontheinternet: I like the cartoon for its accuracy. The gun debate is settled, but living in a gun culture means that when a guy goes crazy and starts attacking people, he kills 10 with a gun instead of 2 or 3 with an axe.

It's not about preventing crazy people from doing crazy things; it's about simple math. We have X number of crazy people who will go on killing sprees, and the access each crazy person has to weapons makes each person capable of killing Y people in each killing spree. X times Y equals the number of people who die in massacres committed by crazy people.

You're assuming that gun laws will actually change that. There is no reason to do so. You can't just hand wave the other side of the debate away because it makes you feel good.


Given the first assumption, I can. Nobody is arguing that gun control will actually happen. Getting into a debate about what degree of gun control will stop what amount of crazy people from having access to guns is a completely moot point when there will be no gun control. Certainly, if an attempt was made to confiscate all guns in the country, many crazy people would have to go back to knives and axes. And if the waiting period was extended by 30 minutes it wouldn't have any effect at all. Again, the question of degree and effectiveness is a moot point because none of it is going to happen.

I'm also not taking into account laws that would require psychological screening for all citizens and restrictions of their rights based on the results. I don't take it into account, because it's a moot issue.
 
2012-08-24 11:08:28 AM  
Fox News reporting the shooter was a designer of ladies handbags.
 
2012-08-24 11:09:11 AM  

RolandGunner: CNN reports they have no updates from the police, but an intensive Google search has turned up several Tea Party Members who live and work in New York City.


I see what you did there.

/Waits for CNN to rely on Twitter feeds to inform them of what the news is.
 
2012-08-24 11:09:21 AM  
"Studies have statistically shown that there's less chance of an incident if you do it at the end of the week."
 
2012-08-24 11:09:36 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: I'd say it shouldn't be called a "mass" killing.


So what would you call it?
 
2012-08-24 11:09:53 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Marine1: HotWingConspiracy: Marine1: Gunny Highway: Quick everyone start acting like an authority on gun, the demographics of Manhattan, and the laws of the city and state of New York! Hurry!

Well, does anyone know what this guy was armed with?

NYC has handgun permits, no? I mean, they're made to be incredibly hard to get, but that didn't do much here. Neither did the state's ban on "assault weapons".

/Good lord I hate that term...

Are you people infants? I don't get it. Do you decry theft laws because they haven't magically stopped theft?

No, because they're meant to punish theft. It's a reactionary system. You commit theft, get caught, go to trial, and if the government does its part, you get punished in a manner prescribed by law.

Restrictions on firearms are, in theory, supposed to stop these sorts of things from happening. The problem is, they don't.

And loose gun regulations do? Draw me that map, I'm not seeing it.

It's kind of an impossible claim, anyway, as there is no telling how many people were deterred by not being able to get their hands on a weapon when they were feeling shooty.


"Loose" gun regulations provide regular, law-abiding citizens a line of defense in the 99% of other violent crimes that happen in the US. Even though the news media loves to sensationalize these incidents, they're statistical anomalies in the realm of violent crime. Rape, assault, robbery, burglary, violent kidnapping, and attempted murder are all much more common crimes where potential victims could justify protecting themselves with a firearm. "Tight" gun regulations get ignored by criminals and seem to be easily circumvented by the insane, at least with the current structure of enforcement. At the same time, they take the ability of the innocent to defend themselves against criminals. NYC has arguably the toughest gun laws in the country, and 10 people were still shot.

Would arming all of those individuals through an absence of gun laws have been the best solution to this? I don't think so, not without extensive training that is required for CCWs in most states. On the other hand, these laws aren't working and reduce the rights of people who do no wrong.
 
2012-08-24 11:09:59 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: WTF is that even supposed to mean? Because high crime areas embroiled in a gang war have higher crime the media is liberal?


Those stories don't get reported like this relative chicken shiat is and will be. It's amazing to me how this fact illudes dolts like you.
 
2012-08-24 11:10:01 AM  

cassanovascotian: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 372x400]


Is your inaccurate image intended to relate to the current discussion in any way?
 
2012-08-24 11:10:17 AM  
Why doesn't this kind of workplace violence happen at Wall Street banks? I'm pretty sure if bankers started offing their bosses Americans would overwhelmingly support looser gun laws.
 
2012-08-24 11:10:21 AM  

JohnnyC: Nana's Vibrator: I'd say it shouldn't be called a "mass" killing.

So what would you call it?


A shooting? Maybe a multiple shooting?
 
2012-08-24 11:10:24 AM  

cassanovascotian: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 372x400]


... that is complete bullshiat.
 
2012-08-24 11:10:29 AM  

gja: At least have the spine to say that clearly


Guns should be harder to get and require a much more rigorous screening process but gut nuts refuse to even consider such a thing because they're insane.

I own three guns. I have no qualms at all about making it harder for me to buy a fourth. As a law-abiding citizen with no criminal history, I'm okay with having to wait a few weeks to get my latest "POINT AND DESTROY" penis stand-in, thanks.

gja: ZOMG guns are teh ev-ill


Never said that, dumbass. Your strawman. It is flimsy.
 
2012-08-24 11:10:29 AM  
There are more guns than there are people in the US....It's not surprising at all that this sort of thing happens and your strict laws and death penalties aren't going to do shiat to stop it.
 
2012-08-24 11:10:31 AM  

JohnnyC: Nana's Vibrator: I'd say it shouldn't be called a "mass" killing.

So what would you call it?


A volume killing.
 
2012-08-24 11:10:52 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

Not to be petty, but that magazine holds 30 bullets, not 100 (assuming the spacer is removed, of course)

Crazy people bent on violence will always find ways to be violent and deadly. Perhaps we can have better controls to buying lethal weapons, but those who want gun control ultimately want ALL guns removed from EVERYBODY. I think (as I believe most of my fellow Americans do), that there is a middle ground to all of this; but when both sides offer only the extreme options (all or nothing), we'd prefer to keep our guns rather than give them up, even at the small risk of their use against us.
 
2012-08-24 11:11:06 AM  

ekdikeo4: namegoeshere: Stoj: Two guys in a car shot 8 people in Chicago last night. 6 of the 8 were teenagers.


Step it up, New York.

Yes, that was all over the national MSM all night. Couldn't get any other news... Oh wait, no it wasn't. First I'm hearing of it, actually.

If somebody had shot 6 kids in Queens, nobody would care.


Until approximately 10:30am, my news banner was flashing alerts about "2 people killed in Chicago shooting", at about 10:30, it switched to this.


GO SAWWKS!
 
2012-08-24 11:11:09 AM  

sprawl15: JohnnyC: Nana's Vibrator: I'd say it shouldn't be called a "mass" killing.

So what would you call it?

A volume killing.


A gross killing?
 
2012-08-24 11:11:27 AM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-08-24 11:11:28 AM  
They need to elaborate on what casualties means. Innocent bystanders are much different than a bunch of thugs getting shot. They should not include them in those statistics.
 
2012-08-24 11:11:55 AM  

USP .45: Those stories don't get reported like this


It's almost like criminals shooting at each other in the middle of a gang war is less notable than some lunatic going off the handle and shooting random people on the street.... and somehow this makes the media liberal....

/ deep thoughts with USP .45
 
2012-08-24 11:12:00 AM  

CAADbury: NeoBad: Suddenly have two thoughts. One is that the 1300 price tag of that small Kimber 45 ACP may not be so bad. Two is to go stock up on Ammo for my 9 mm.

UGH, please not a 1911 variant. 8+1 is a pretty paltry capacity nowadays.


Agreed. Although I love my 1911a1 its not something Im likely to carry. Between the weight and low capacity its not a very good choice. The custom sights and grips also add to the bulk.

There are plenty of polymer frame models with staggered mags that are far lighter and higher capacity, even in .45 ACP. The .45 version of my Beretta PX4 has 10+1 capacity.
 
2012-08-24 11:12:15 AM  

JohnnyC: ChuDogg: I never understand why everyone compares the US to the UK on this issue. For similar economies, culture, and demographics, Brazil would be a much closer comparison as to the efficacy of gun regulations.

Guns aren't banned in Brazil... and that would be why you can never understand.


What does that mean "guns aren't banned"? Is it either total ban or everything goes? Is your bipolar view of the world why I can never understand?

/real world: guns are regulated in Brazil, as they are in every other country in the world (including the UK, where guns are by no means "banned")
 
2012-08-24 11:12:23 AM  

vegasj: shooting?

In NY?

I thought they had strict gun laws?


Hur hur hur there are no bridges or tunnels people can use to bring guns into the city hur dur
 
2012-08-24 11:12:26 AM  

USP .45: it's just a moron from a place where no one talks normally making a logical fallacy in the form of a picture, because he's too impotent to try and actually express the point in his own words. the AWB didn't prevent sale of existing magazines and rifles, so it would have had zero effect on anything. Also, Holmes' AR jammed anyways.


Oh wow, that's a perfectly logical explanation as to why people selling guns has absolutely nothing to do with sociopaths legally obtaining guns and using them to kill people -you ignorant callous farkwit.

You want words? how about you try to explain your unbelievably farked up justification of gun laws to the families of the people that just got killed. Seriously, let's go over to ESB building right now and talk to the familes. I'll tell them why I think the states should have stricter gun laws, and you tell them why you think there should be more permissive gun laws, and then we'll see which one of us looks like a completely soulless sack of shiat.
 
2012-08-24 11:12:32 AM  
Why would this guy run from an unarmed security guard and not shoot him, and be willing to shoot bystanders.

I am guessing it is NYC's finest.
 
2012-08-24 11:12:33 AM  
Freedom ain't free, biatches.

/why is this even news?

//FLASH: Frenchman bathes!
 
2012-08-24 11:12:51 AM  

HAMMERTOE: Magazine holds 100 bullets??? O RLY???


Removing the spring and other internal components could hypothetically allow for insertion of one-hundred uncased bullets.
 
2012-08-24 11:13:02 AM  

Dimensio: Is your inaccurate image intended to relate to the current discussion in any way?


I'd say it's rather farking self-explanatory.
 
2012-08-24 11:13:04 AM  

Altitude5280: Fox News reporting the shooter was a designer of ladies handbags.


www.valleyadvocate.com
WHY A-ROD WHY?!!!!
 
2012-08-24 11:13:13 AM  

LesserEvil: Not to be petty, but that magazine holds 30 bullets, not 100


the one Holmes had held 100 rounds. he also had teargas grenades. all legal.
 
2012-08-24 11:13:14 AM  
The shooting does not appear to be linked to terrorism, authorities said.

So, apparently the shooter was white.
 
2012-08-24 11:13:20 AM  

JohnnyC: Nana's Vibrator: I'd say it shouldn't be called a "mass" killing.

So what would you call it?


Daddy issues?
A spree?
A New York minute?
A little of the ol' ultraviolence?
Clown porn?

It could be any of those things, really.
 
2012-08-24 11:13:33 AM  
If only the GOP could combine its love for rolling back gun control with its love for redefining rape.

It would win the next election in a landslide. I just know it.
 
2012-08-24 11:13:37 AM  
On 8/24 I had a view of the Empire State Building from my office.

Never Forget.
 
2012-08-24 11:14:07 AM  

darch: Until recently, I almost never carried off duty as my Glock 26 is bulky and uncomfortable but I've changed my mind on that. I carry ALWAYS now. This shiat can happen anytime, anywhere.

And I'm not NRA gun-nut. Quite the opposite, actually.


Just a chicken. With a gun. I sure feel safe now.
 
2012-08-24 11:14:08 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Telos: Blueintheballs: You need more guns when you have a problem with guns.

Guns have been around for over 100 years. This mass shooting thing seems pretty recent.

Maybe we should start looking into what's causing these crackpots to WANT to kill lots of people, rather than blaming the tool they do it with.

Sounds like he didn't want to kill lots of people, he's just a really bad shot.


So then... free gun training for wannabe criminals? ;)
 
2012-08-24 11:14:09 AM  

cassanovascotian: USP .45: it's just a moron from a place where no one talks normally making a logical fallacy in the form of a picture, because he's too impotent to try and actually express the point in his own words. the AWB didn't prevent sale of existing magazines and rifles, so it would have had zero effect on anything. Also, Holmes' AR jammed anyways.

Oh wow, that's a perfectly logical explanation as to why people selling guns has absolutely nothing to do with sociopaths legally obtaining guns and using them to kill people -you ignorant callous farkwit.

You want words? how about you try to explain your unbelievably farked up justification of gun laws to the families of the people that just got killed. Seriously, let's go over to ESB building right now and talk to the familes. I'll tell them why I think the states should have stricter gun laws, and you tell them why you think there should be more permissive gun laws, and then we'll see which one of us looks like a completely soulless sack of shiat.


Those laws don't seem to work in the US.
 
2012-08-24 11:14:14 AM  

lilbjorn: The shooting does not appear to be linked to terrorism, authorities said.

So, apparently the shooter was white.


The last white one was a terrorist.
 
2012-08-24 11:14:16 AM  
Boy the tax returners getting weaponized, everyone low crawl.

Can we re-open the mental institutions yet? The outpatient model is quite working.
 
2012-08-24 11:14:23 AM  

LesserEvil: but those who want gun control ultimately want ALL guns removed from EVERYBODY.


No, we don't. Stop being stupid.

Also, AR15 mag change in less than 2 seconds.
 
2012-08-24 11:14:31 AM  
Too soon?

There's already an Onion-style satire on the NRA response to the shootings and the bodies are still warm. Either this shiat is getting predictable or this website has a response time that puts the police SWAT unit to shame:

http://www.sabotagetimes.com/life/empire-state-building-shootings-n-r - a-proposes-law-requiring-all-americans-to-be-armed/

Maybe the author is just reusing material or something, but hey, if not, he must be a Wikipeida contributor.
 
2012-08-24 11:14:32 AM  

cassanovascotian: Dimensio: Is your inaccurate image intended to relate to the current discussion in any way?

I'd say it's rather farking self-explanatory.


The AWB wouldn't have prevented anything you're referencing you farking dumbass.
 
2012-08-24 11:14:41 AM  

LesserEvil: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 372x400]

Not to be petty, but that magazine holds 30 bullets, not 100 (assuming the spacer is removed, of course)

Crazy people bent on violence will always find ways to be violent and deadly. Perhaps we can have better controls to buying lethal weapons, but those who want gun control ultimately want ALL guns removed from EVERYBODY. I think (as I believe most of my fellow Americans do), that there is a middle ground to all of this; but when both sides offer only the extreme options (all or nothing), we'd prefer to keep our guns rather than give them up, even at the small risk of their use against us.


Would you be okay with a titling program for all firearms, presently owned or future purposes? Would you be okay with having all gun sales be through a notary public with titles like cars are bought and sold everyday?

Would you be okay charging YOU if YOUR guns were used in the commission of a crime and you failed to properly report stolen guns.

This is what needs to be done - at a minimum. And to prevent stolen guns from being a problem, make gun owners legally liable for any guns stolen ... bet you'd lock your shiat up nice and tight if you knew that if Bubba stole it and used it, you'd be going to jail.
 
2012-08-24 11:15:06 AM  
Has anyone brought the Herp by posting a Tom Tomorrow scribble?
Because an appeal to cartoon logic will raise the sophistication of this dialog.
 
2012-08-24 11:15:09 AM  
A SECOND GUNMAN HAS JUST FLOWN INTO THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING
 
2012-08-24 11:15:34 AM  

I Said: On 8/24 I had a view of the Empire State Building from my office.

Never Forget.


Are they selling magnetic car ribbons yet? How about miniature American flags?
 
2012-08-24 11:15:38 AM  

Alonjar: JohnnyC: Nana's Vibrator: I'd say it shouldn't be called a "mass" killing.

So what would you call it?

A shooting? Maybe a multiple shooting?


What's your threshold? Is it a multiple shooting when it's only 8 people shot? 10? 20? 30?

Seems "mass shooting" fits the bill alright.

mass: a considerable assemblage, number, or quantity: a mass of errors; a mass of troops.

So you're saying 8 people shot is not a "considerable assemblage, number or quantity" of people? I tend to disagree... you know... based on what the word means and a lack of a better descriptor.
 
2012-08-24 11:15:39 AM  
Now, this is what I call a Sexy Shooting.
 
2012-08-24 11:15:59 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: Gunzgunzgunzgunz!! Gunzgunzgunzgunzgunzgunzgunz! 

Ooh ooh ah ah. *Grunt* Gunz. *scratch, burp*

/Gunzgunz.


Try singing it to the tune from Two and a Half Men

Gunz gunz gunz gunz, manly gunz...wooo who who whooooo who whooooooooooo
 
2012-08-24 11:16:01 AM  

Hobodeluxe: LesserEvil: Not to be petty, but that magazine holds 30 bullets, not 100

the one Holmes had held 100 rounds. he also had teargas grenades. all legal.


Not for him they weren't. Sideshow Bob was considered dangerous by his shrink. Of course, this information never reached the gun store counter where he bought the thing, so the laws were as effective as the paper they were written on in stopping the shooting.
 
2012-08-24 11:16:15 AM  

LesserEvil: those who want gun control ultimately want ALL guns removed from EVERYBODY


Well that's demonstrably false.

I want gun control. (I want convicted felons banned from owning guns.)
I do not want guns removed from everyone. (Because the Second Amendment provides the right to bear arms.)
Therefore it is false that those who want gun control ultimately want all guns removed from everybody.

/try again with less hyperbole, otherwise you are part of the problem
 
2012-08-24 11:16:17 AM  

JohnnyC: ChuDogg: I never understand why everyone compares the US to the UK on this issue. For similar economies, culture, and demographics, Brazil would be a much closer comparison as to the efficacy of gun regulations.

Guns aren't banned in Brazil... and that would be why you can never understand.



Because of gun politics in Brazil, all firearms are required to be registered with the state; the minimum age for ownership is 25[1] and although it is legal to carry a gun outside a residence, extremely severe restrictions were made by the federal government since 2002 making it virtually impossible to obtain a carry permit.[2] To legally own a gun, the owner must pay a tax every three years to register the gun, currently at BRL R$85[3] and registration can be done via the Internet or in person with the Federal Police.[4] Until the end of the 2008, unregistered guns could be legalized for free.[5] The total number of firearms in Brazil is thought to be around 17 million[2] with 9 million of those being unregistered.[1]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Brazil 

All guns have to be registered and carrying a gun outside of the home is defacto banned for the average (law abiding) person.
 
2012-08-24 11:16:23 AM  

Coco LaFemme: My boyfriend has a couple friends who work near the Empire State Building, so he was frantically calling them, trying to find out if they were okay. Thankfully they were.

Brooklyn has turned into Tombstone ca. 1876, Chicago is starting to take that crown from them.....can we PLEASE have discussion about reasonable gun control in this farking country?


We did. Gun control already lost.
 
2012-08-24 11:16:24 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: USP .45: the mainstream media doesns't have a liberal narrative do rite?

WTF is that even supposed to mean? Because high crime areas embroiled in a gang war have higher crime the media is liberal?

Noticeably F.A.T.: /You're really going to base your opinions of all gun owners on the remarks of Fark trolls? Alrighty then.

Yea, yea, blah blah. For twenty years now you nuts have all been telling me you're not part of the problem it's just a few other bad eggs.

Bullshiat. You don't get the benefit of the doubt anymore. You're all unreasonable lunatics who care more about easy access to your penis extenders than anything else. When the NRA and its completely unreasonable campaign against fair and reasonable gun laws stops receiving massive widespread support from the gun community I'll start to consider giving you nuts the benefit of the doubt again.


"Penis extenders" are entirely irrelevant to the current subject of discussion. For what reason have you attempted to introduce such an irrelevant concept? Additionally, please define "reasonable gun laws"; frequently, proposed firearm restrictions claimed to be "reasonable" are actually demonstrably unreasonable, such as prohibiting civilian ownership of rarely criminally misused classes of rifles based upon cosmetic features.
 
2012-08-24 11:16:44 AM  

vostok1: The speed with which people jump to conclusions fascinates me.

No one has any idea about what the hell is going on, the gunman's motives/background, etc. etc. and we're already having a debate about gun control.
Get a grip.


And let's not even consider that we already have pretty good gun control laws that aren't being enforced. So what they hell good would new ones do?
 
2012-08-24 11:16:57 AM  

Epicedion: Stoj: 5 wounded,10 injured, 20 hurt, 40 maimed, and 80 people were slightly distracted this morning...

Don't forget the dozens that were panicked, thousands that were shaken, and the millions that were afeared.


And a partridge in a pear tree.
 
2012-08-24 11:17:15 AM  

LesserEvil: but those who want gun control ultimately want ALL guns removed from EVERYBODY.


Your a idiot.
 
2012-08-24 11:17:18 AM  

Polly Ester: Because an appeal to cartoon logic will raise the sophistication of this dialog.


I don't think you fully appreciate these threads. They are an opportunity to completely throw all sophistication out the window and just go full retard. It's inevitable anyway, so you might as well just have fun and take advantage from the start.
 
2012-08-24 11:17:30 AM  
God bless these people and their families who sacrificed to water the tree of liberty. It's a shame, but it's what the Second Amendment requires from time to time.
 
2012-08-24 11:17:39 AM  

JohnnyC: Nana's Vibrator: I'd say it shouldn't be called a "mass" killing.

So what would you call it?


New York killing?
 
2012-08-24 11:17:53 AM  

LawrencePerson: How are some of the toughest gun control laws in the country working out for you NYC?


Glad you asked. The answer is Farking great!

upload.wikimedia.org

Starting in 2005, New York City achieved the lowest crime rate among the ten largest cities in the United States.[12] Since 1991, the city has seen a continuous fifteen-year trend of decreasing crime. Neighborhoods that were once considered dangerous are now much safer. Violent crime in the city has dropped by three quarters in the twelve years ending in 2005 with the murder rate at its lowest then level since 1963 with 539 murders that year, for a murder rate of 6.58 per 100,000 people, compared to 2,245 murders in 1990. In 2009, the low would be displaced. Among the 182 U.S. cities with populations of more than 100,000, New York City ranked 136th in overall crime...

...While crime rates have stopped decreasing for a decade in the rest of the United States, in New York the murder rate for 2009 is at an all time low of 466, more than a 10% decline from the previous year, and the lowest count during the period that crime statistics have been recorded.[

Source is Wikipedia with plenty of citations.
 
2012-08-24 11:17:57 AM  
Reactions to this shooting:

The World: "There they go again..."

West Coast: "See, that's why we got rid of guns."

The South: "That's for Stonewall Jackson!"

New Yorkers: "That f*cker better not make the GWB extra busy, I'm planning on hitting the shore this weekend."
 
2012-08-24 11:18:09 AM  

I Said: A SECOND GUNMAN HAS JUST FLOWN INTO THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING


stop. you're giving me unnecessary anxiety.

*sips whiskey*
 
2012-08-24 11:18:25 AM  

I Said: A SECOND GUNMAN HAS JUST FLOWN INTO THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING


OH MY GOD! HIS ARMS MUST BE SO TIRED!
 
2012-08-24 11:18:48 AM  

gameshowhost: LesserEvil: but those who want gun control ultimately want ALL guns removed from EVERYBODY.

Your a idiot.


Pot meet Kettle. You're, not your. An idiot, not a idiot.
 
2012-08-24 11:19:15 AM  

gameshowhost: LesserEvil: but those who want gun control ultimately want ALL guns removed from EVERYBODY.

Your a idiot.


Awesome.
 
2012-08-24 11:19:18 AM  
If it ain't guns, it will be machetes, baseball bats, spears, crossbows or a steak knife... hell, I can build a potato cannon that I am sure would kill people and all I would need is stuff from the local hardware store and a spray can of aqua net.

And If I really wanted to get creative, I could make some thermite with stuff from the hardware store and start lobbing it with the potato gun.

Didn't Mc Vey use fertilizer and diesel fuel?

The problem is why do we now have a culture in America that is so devoid of hope for some people that the go insane and do shiat like this.... not to mention the media does a good job of dividing the right from the left so bad that we start looking at the other side as the enemy and insane.

FYI I do not own a single gun, I only teach archery from time to time with recurve style bows (I view compounds as cheating). I don't have a potato cannon, and I only remember how to create thermite because my crack pot science teacher in high school showed us how.
 
2012-08-24 11:19:29 AM  
Just FYI, that image all over drudge, huffpost and posted above by Dusk-You-n-Me is apparently a victim since all news stories seem to be saying "the shooter was wearing a grey suit and carrying a briefcase".

So... someone has likely logged onto the interwebs this morning and said "holy fark, that's my dad laying bleeding and dead on the sidewalk". :(
 
2012-08-24 11:19:35 AM  

cassanovascotian: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 372x400]


please tell me that is a troll poster, and whoever created it didn't really believe it to be factual. Please tell me people arn't that stupid.
 
2012-08-24 11:19:44 AM  

Dimensio: please define "reasonable gun laws";


Let's start by closing the loophole that lets terrorists, criminals and mentally unstable individuals to simply walk into a gun show with a stack of cash and leave with a loaded armory.

Oh! No! Can't do that! NRA says it's not reasonable!

Dimensio: such as prohibiting civilian ownership of rarely criminally misused classes of rifles based upon cosmetic features.


Haha! Look at you bringing up a law that's been off the books for years and almost nobody thinks is useful like you're making a point!
 
2012-08-24 11:20:00 AM  

Brother_Mouzone: I dont know why I feel I need to point this out, but you can always find rational discussion on reddit when these things happen instead of the retardfest known as fark.

Link


So go there.
 
2012-08-24 11:20:06 AM  

cassanovascotian: USP .45: it's just a moron from a place where no one talks normally making a logical fallacy in the form of a picture, because he's too impotent to try and actually express the point in his own words. the AWB didn't prevent sale of existing magazines and rifles, so it would have had zero effect on anything. Also, Holmes' AR jammed anyways.

Oh wow, that's a perfectly logical explanation as to why people selling guns has absolutely nothing to do with sociopaths legally obtaining guns and using them to kill people -you ignorant callous farkwit.

You want words? how about you try to explain your unbelievably farked up justification of gun laws to the families of the people that just got killed. Seriously, let's go over to ESB building right now and talk to the familes. I'll tell them why I think the states should have stricter gun laws, and you tell them why you think there should be more permissive gun laws, and then we'll see which one of us looks like a completely soulless sack of shiat.


Insulting USP .45 will not cause the demonstrably false claims of the image that you posted to become true.
 
2012-08-24 11:20:07 AM  
Wait a minute... which one of you guys is selling penis extenders?? Please tell me I NEED ONE! MY GIRL FRIEND WILL LOVE ME FOR IT!
 
2012-08-24 11:20:09 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Bullshiat. You don't get the benefit of the doubt anymore. You're all unreasonable lunatics who care more about easy access to your penis extenders than anything else. When the NRA and its completely unreasonable campaign against fair and reasonable gun laws stops receiving massive widespread support from the gun community I'll start to consider giving you nuts the benefit of the doubt again.


With that attitude I am truly amazed that your opinion gets discounted.
 
2012-08-24 11:20:32 AM  

illogic: Glad you asked. The answer is Farking great!


so it's dropped since the sunset of the failed "Assault Weapons Ban." Thanks for pointing that out useful idiot.
 
2012-08-24 11:20:32 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: gameshowhost: LesserEvil: but those who want gun control ultimately want ALL guns removed from EVERYBODY.

Your a idiot.

Pot meet Kettle. You're, not your. An idiot, not a idiot.


notsureifserious.jpeg
 
2012-08-24 11:20:40 AM  

HAMMERTOE: cassanovascotian: 4.bp.blogspot.com

Magazine holds 100 bullets??? O RLY???

Funny. Never happens in a place where you would reasonably expect to find people armed. Never at police stations, armories, turkey shoots, gun shows, firing ranges, or police conventions. I wonder why this is?


Because those locations have security in place specifically designed to avert gun violence?
 
2012-08-24 11:20:48 AM  

darch: Well, considering that all the news reports are beginning to show that this was a dispute between two co-workers that spilled out into the street, followed by one of the co-workers pulling out a gun and starting to shoot at the other guy (and in the process hitting innocent bystanders), I'm more worried about people like you who would have a gun in the first place.

I'm a cop genius. I am required to carry on and off-duty.


Someone thinks they're a genius cop... or would a comma qualify (snark)
 
2012-08-24 11:20:53 AM  

gja: Vegan Meat Popsicle: How many more shootings do we have to have in this country before people finally accept that we must have more guns?

/ this is what gun nuts actually believe

No, we NEED to focus more on WHY people are getting to this point in their lives. This is becoming endemic in our society as more people are quite literally pushed past their limit to deal with the stresses and hardships.
Am I saying "...it's OK to shoot up the joint because you are stressed out working 3 jobs to make ends meet and you get fired so get all kill-y"?

NO. Just that this will likely happen more and more until there is more stability in the economy (worldwide) and we learn to be better in dealing with each other. There is such a disgusting lack of civility and kindness that permeates our society as a whole it is really saddening.

VMP, stop being so flippant. You obviously have an agenda where guns are concerned. At least have the spine to say that clearly and not try to thinly veil it so as to place everyone that does not share your "ZOMG guns are teh ev-ill" view in the "GUN NUT" bucket.

Many who have no problem with gun ownership are NOT "gun nuts"


OK. Let's talk about the barriers to decent mental health coverage in the US.
 
2012-08-24 11:20:58 AM  

cassanovascotian: Dimensio: Is your inaccurate image intended to relate to the current discussion in any way?

I'd say it's rather farking self-explanatory.


Are you saying that you were intentionally posting irrelevant and false information?
 
2012-08-24 11:21:08 AM  

thetubameister: darch: Until recently, I almost never carried off duty as my Glock 26 is bulky and uncomfortable but I've changed my mind on that. I carry ALWAYS now. This shiat can happen anytime, anywhere.

And I'm not NRA gun-nut. Quite the opposite, actually.

Just a chicken. With a gun. I sure feel safe now.


He's a cop you dolt.
 
2012-08-24 11:21:14 AM  

Marine1: HotWingConspiracy: Marine1: HotWingConspiracy: Marine1: Gunny Highway: Quick everyone start acting like an authority on gun, the demographics of Manhattan, and the laws of the city and state of New York! Hurry!

Well, does anyone know what this guy was armed with?

NYC has handgun permits, no? I mean, they're made to be incredibly hard to get, but that didn't do much here. Neither did the state's ban on "assault weapons".

/Good lord I hate that term...

Are you people infants? I don't get it. Do you decry theft laws because they haven't magically stopped theft?

No, because they're meant to punish theft. It's a reactionary system. You commit theft, get caught, go to trial, and if the government does its part, you get punished in a manner prescribed by law.

Restrictions on firearms are, in theory, supposed to stop these sorts of things from happening. The problem is, they don't.

And loose gun regulations do? Draw me that map, I'm not seeing it.

It's kind of an impossible claim, anyway, as there is no telling how many people were deterred by not being able to get their hands on a weapon when they were feeling shooty.

"Loose" gun regulations provide regular, law-abiding citizens a line of defense in the 99% of other violent crimes that happen in the US. Even though the news media loves to sensationalize these incidents, they're statistical anomalies in the realm of violent crime. Rape, assault, robbery, burglary, violent kidnapping, and attempted murder are all much more common crimes where potential victims could justify protecting themselves with a firearm.


I honestly don't have much of a problem with that, but I want to see the threshold for ownership be much higher. Not just any shmoe should be allowed that kind of power without some kind of training. I'd also like to see it pushed by people that actually are responsible with gun ownership. Gun owners seem stuck in this siege mindset where they need to reject everything, even reasonable proposals.

"Tight" gun regulations get ignored by criminals and seem to be easily circumvented by the insane, at least with the current structure of enforcement. At the same time, they take the ability of the innocent to defend themselves against criminals. NYC has arguably the toughest gun laws in the country, and 10 people were still shot.

That doesn't show that they aren't working. Overall crime stats show that they are working. Nothing has a 100% success rate like that when you're talking about crime and crime prevention.
 
2012-08-24 11:21:34 AM  
 
2012-08-24 11:21:53 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: What does that mean "guns aren't banned"? Is it either total ban or everything goes? Is your bipolar view of the world why I can never understand?

/real world: guns are regulated in Brazil, as they are in every other country in the world (including the UK, where guns are by no means "banned")


From what I understand... most guns are banned in Britain (.22 being the exception that I'm aware of). In Brazil, fully automatic guns and automatic guns are banned and the rest are regulated (licensed), not banned. Also, I am not bipolar.
 
2012-08-24 11:21:54 AM  

WTF Indeed: Reactions to this shooting:

The World: "There they go again..."

West Coast: "See, that's why we got rid of guns."

The South: "That's for Stonewall Jackson!"

New Yorkers: "That f*cker better not make the GWB Lincoln extra busy, I'm planning on hitting the shore AC this weekend."


Heh. FTFM. Bachelor party. Most of my friends are going down before I can so I have to take a bus from Port Authority.
 
2012-08-24 11:22:09 AM  
Damn, I love Christine Quinn's serious face.
 
2012-08-24 11:22:20 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: thetubameister: darch: Until recently, I almost never carried off duty as my Glock 26 is bulky and uncomfortable but I've changed my mind on that. I carry ALWAYS now. This shiat can happen anytime, anywhere.

And I'm not NRA gun-nut. Quite the opposite, actually.

Just a chicken. With a gun. I sure feel safe now.

He's a cop you dolt.


media.skateboard.com.au
 
2012-08-24 11:22:40 AM  
oh the police shot innocent civilians great!!!
 
2012-08-24 11:22:41 AM  

ChuDogg: Wait a minute... which one of you guys is selling penis extenders?? Please tell me I NEED ONE! MY GIRL FRIEND WILL LOVE ME FOR IT!


media.punchingkitty.com

/ Okay, you can open your eyes now....
 
2012-08-24 11:22:41 AM  

illogic: LawrencePerson: How are some of the toughest gun control laws in the country working out for you NYC?

Glad you asked. The answer is Farking grea



So it follows the national average of decline?
 
2012-08-24 11:22:45 AM  
Bloomberg: A man. Fired a year ago (?). Started shooting. Police may have shot bystanders.
 
2012-08-24 11:23:02 AM  

illogic: LawrencePerson: How are some of the toughest gun control laws in the country working out for you NYC?

Glad you asked. The answer is Farking great!

[upload.wikimedia.org image 800x545]

Starting in 2005, New York City achieved the lowest crime rate among the ten largest cities in the United States.[12] Since 1991, the city has seen a continuous fifteen-year trend of decreasing crime. Neighborhoods that were once considered dangerous are now much safer. Violent crime in the city has dropped by three quarters in the twelve years ending in 2005 with the murder rate at its lowest then level since 1963 with 539 murders that year, for a murder rate of 6.58 per 100,000 people, compared to 2,245 murders in 1990. In 2009, the low would be displaced. Among the 182 U.S. cities with populations of more than 100,000, New York City ranked 136th in overall crime...

...While crime rates have stopped decreasing for a decade in the rest of the United States, in New York the murder rate for 2009 is at an all time low of 466, more than a 10% decline from the previous year, and the lowest count during the period that crime statistics have been recorded.[

Source is Wikipedia with plenty of citations.


And if you actually read the articles AND the linked laws, you'll realize that the laws were put into place decades ago before the gun homicide rate starting rising dramatically and that fun laws really haven't had any large demonstrable effect on the gun crime in NYC. If Bloomberg is biatching and moaning about the private sale exception enough to send the NYPD to try to bait some private sellers in AZ to illegally sell guns, then I think that tells you how effective he thinks municipal gun laws are.
 
2012-08-24 11:23:11 AM  
The real problem is New Yorkers. In Texas, we would have shot back. In Pennsylvania, even, they "roll" and take on terrorists in a plane. But in New York, nooooooooo, they don't want to get involved. Just look the other way when the guy next to you gets shot. Anyone see MIB2? That's about as accurate a representation of New Yorkers as I have ever seen. Just don't get involved, no big deal, 'we've seen it all before.' Until 9/11 happens, and all of a sudden New York rivals Jews in trying to guilt us into feeling sorry for them.
 
2012-08-24 11:23:17 AM  

Carth: best wishes go out to all the victims and their families.

NYC needs tougher gun laws.


Gun laws don't stop people from shooting people. You cant actually believe that someone who wants to commit a crime will stop because there is a law against it. HAHAHAHA!
 
2012-08-24 11:23:35 AM  

Dimensio: Vegan Meat Popsicle: USP .45: the mainstream media doesns't have a liberal narrative do rite?

WTF is that even supposed to mean? Because high crime areas embroiled in a gang war have higher crime the media is liberal?

Noticeably F.A.T.: /You're really going to base your opinions of all gun owners on the remarks of Fark trolls? Alrighty then.

Yea, yea, blah blah. For twenty years now you nuts have all been telling me you're not part of the problem it's just a few other bad eggs.

Bullshiat. You don't get the benefit of the doubt anymore. You're all unreasonable lunatics who care more about easy access to your penis extenders than anything else. When the NRA and its completely unreasonable campaign against fair and reasonable gun laws stops receiving massive widespread support from the gun community I'll start to consider giving you nuts the benefit of the doubt again.

"Penis extenders" are entirely irrelevant to the current subject of discussion. For what reason have you attempted to introduce such an irrelevant concept? Additionally, please define "reasonable gun laws"; frequently, proposed firearm restrictions claimed to be "reasonable" are actually demonstrably unreasonable, such as prohibiting civilian ownership of rarely criminally misused classes of rifles based upon cosmetic features.


Easy:

- Federally register and TITLE all firearms currently in possession.
- You have 12 months to properly apply for a title and register every gun in your possession. Any non-registered gun seized after that 12 months results in a mandatory 5-year prison sentence and the destruction of said gun.
- Gun owners are legally liable for gun registered under their name used in a crime. If someone stole it, too bad, you deal with the consequences as you didn't properly secure your firearm. Make it a crime to lose a gun in any circumstance.
- Transfer of ownership of any firearm must be done through a federal agency where notarized documents of title and transfer of ownership would be assigned. Cash deals are no longer legal. All guns must be sold through the same waiting period and delay of ownership that new gun sales at stores go through.
- Companies that manufacture guns are legally liable for those guns until they transfer ownership to a store or to a person. Store owners are legally liable for all guns until they are legally transferred to a new owner.

Start penalizing EVERYONE involved with a certain gun used in crime. This would solve 99% of all gun crimes. Restriction of access and making guns a liability to own.

/I own three guns.
//Perfectly okay with all of this.
///My guns are stored separate from my ammo, unloaded, in a secure gun safe in an area of my home that is not easily accessible.
 
2012-08-24 11:23:36 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Polly Ester: Because an appeal to cartoon logic will raise the sophistication of this dialog.

I don't think you fully appreciate these threads. They are an opportunity to completely throw all sophistication out the window and just go full retard. It's inevitable anyway, so you might as well just have fun and take advantage from the start.


I am not a retard. I very rarely soil myself, I can pull my t-shirt over my head by myself, and I can go out in public without getting a boner.

I think when people put little or no value on human life, the government has to step in. It is interesting that many conservatives oppose abortion and gun control and many liberals support abortion and gun control. Both issues are instances where governmental controls are required due to, in some voters minds, the public's cheap view on human life. Oh well...
 
2012-08-24 11:24:10 AM  
Local and federal authorities who converged on the building around 9 a.m. closed several streets around 5th Avenue and 34th Street, snarling traffic in the heart of ManhattanLocal and federal authorities who converged on the building around 9 a.m. closed several streets around 5th Avenue and 34th Street, snarling traffic in the heart of Manhattan

It's a miracle more people weren't killed. Hope Santa is ok.
 
2012-08-24 11:24:21 AM  
Commissioner Kelly: First guy shot a former co-worker. Shooter was Jeffery Johnson, age 53. .45 caliber handgun.
 
2012-08-24 11:24:30 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Dimensio: please define "reasonable gun laws";

Let's start by closing the loophole that lets terrorists, criminals and mentally unstable individuals to simply walk into a gun show with a stack of cash and leave with a loaded armory.

Which "loophole" enables such action? How is this "loophole" derived from existing law?

Dimensio: such as prohibiting civilian ownership of rarely criminally misused classes of rifles based upon cosmetic features.

Haha! Look at you bringing up a law that's been off the books for years and almost nobody thinks is useful like you're making a point!


I was unaware that the "assault weapons bans" enacted in California, Massachusetts, Cook County and the city of New York had been "off the books for years" and that politicians no longer proposed enacting such legislation at a federal level.
 
gja
2012-08-24 11:24:37 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: gja: At least have the spine to say that clearly

Guns should be harder to get and require a much more rigorous screening process but gut nuts refuse to even consider such a thing because they're insane.

I own three guns. I have no qualms at all about making it harder for me to buy a fourth. As a law-abiding citizen with no criminal history, I'm okay with having to wait a few weeks to get my latest "POINT AND DESTROY" penis stand-in, thanks.

gja: ZOMG guns are teh ev-ill

Never said that, dumbass. Your strawman. It is flimsy.


I will, shockingly, agree with you. Background searches need to be WAY more comprehensive and rigorous.
No handguns in my cabinet, since they are really crap for 500 yard competition.

I wasn't trying to make a strawman as much as drive home a point VMP. The knee-jerk "deer-in-headlights" reaction to guns needs to stop.

Enacting laws to control gun USE fails. It hasn't worked, isn't working, and won't work.

And sadly, sometimes,someone who was previously a "perfectly sane and nice person" who also has a gun, will snap.
And then this shiat will happen.

Oh, and BTW, sorry you feel you need a...what was the term?.....oh yes, "penis stand-in".
 
2012-08-24 11:24:51 AM  

Mija: Carth: best wishes go out to all the victims and their families.

NYC needs tougher gun laws.

Guns laws don't stop people from shooting people. You cant actually believe that someone who wants to commit a crime will stop because there is a law against it other people might have guns. HAHAHAHA!

 
2012-08-24 11:25:47 AM  

imontheinternet: odinsposse: imontheinternet: I like the cartoon for its accuracy. The gun debate is settled, but living in a gun culture means that when a guy goes crazy and starts attacking people, he kills 10 with a gun instead of 2 or 3 with an axe.

It's not about preventing crazy people from doing crazy things; it's about simple math. We have X number of crazy people who will go on killing sprees, and the access each crazy person has to weapons makes each person capable of killing Y people in each killing spree. X times Y equals the number of people who die in massacres committed by crazy people.

You're assuming that gun laws will actually change that. There is no reason to do so. You can't just hand wave the other side of the debate away because it makes you feel good.

Given the first assumption, I can. Nobody is arguing that gun control will actually happen.


Given that, I'm content in continuing to make fun of you for pretending that "I'm right because I don't want to acknowledge a debate might be debateable" is a legitimate criticism.
 
2012-08-24 11:25:51 AM  
Commissioner Kelly: The guy shot a former coworker, put his gun in a bag and walked away. A construction worker followed him. He alerted two cops. Cops confronted him, he pulled out the gun, started shooting back and forth.

He worked as Hazan Imports as a designer of women's accessories. Laid off a year ago. Shot a 41-year-old former coworker.
 
2012-08-24 11:26:00 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Dimensio: such as prohibiting civilian ownership of rarely criminally misused classes of rifles based upon cosmetic features.

Haha! Look at you bringing up a law that's been off the books for years and almost nobody thinks is useful like you're making a point!


If no one thinks it's useful, then why have there been pretty consistent efforts to renew it and why did Holder/Obama come out in favor of renewing as he came into office? He dropped it publicly once he realized it was a political loser, but he brought it back up after the Colorado shooting. So did Feinstein.
 
2012-08-24 11:26:21 AM  

dwrash: FYI I do not own a single gun, I only teach archery from time to time with recurve style bows (I view compounds as cheating). I don't have a potato cannon, and I only remember how to create thermite because my crack pot science teacher in high school showed us how.


This brings up a good point. A compound bow is cheating, and guns in general are worse, even in hunting. I say all weapons are cheating. If you want to kill someone or something, you have to put on a wrestling mask and challenge your intended victims as if being interviewed by Mean Gene Okerlund. And instead of killing them, if you win your challenge, you get to take their shoes and put them in a trophy case. Fair is fair.
 
2012-08-24 11:26:28 AM  
The only two dead are the shooter and his first victim.
 
2012-08-24 11:26:40 AM  

FizixJunkee: I'm so sick of this shiat.


I'm sure the people who got shot feel your pain. Asshole.
 
2012-08-24 11:26:51 AM  

LarryDan43: 10 shot in NY! OMG! 19 shot overnight in Chicago, Meh.


I'm willing to focus equal attention on Chicago. Locate a new article in the Chicago local news, submit the link with a witty headline and Farkers jump on and comment.

Ta da! Problem solved.
 
2012-08-24 11:26:53 AM  
I can see tomorrow's headline in the New York papers:

Two dead, thousands inconvenienced
Lexington Line subway service curtailed due to mass shooting at Empire State
 
2012-08-24 11:27:16 AM  

cassanovascotian: USP .45: it's just a moron from a place where no one talks normally making a logical fallacy in the form of a picture, because he's too impotent to try and actually express the point in his own words. the AWB didn't prevent sale of existing magazines and rifles, so it would have had zero effect on anything. Also, Holmes' AR jammed anyways.

Oh wow, that's a perfectly logical explanation as to why people selling guns has absolutely nothing to do with sociopaths legally obtaining guns and using them to kill people -you ignorant callous farkwit.

You want words? how about you try to explain your unbelievably farked up justification of gun laws to the families of the people that just got killed. Seriously, let's go over to ESB building right now and talk to the familes. I'll tell them why I think the states should have stricter gun laws, and you tell them why you think there should be more permissive gun laws, and then we'll see which one of us looks like a completely soulless sack of shiat.


I will, right after you explain to the family of a drunk driving victim that alcohol is legal, and that there is a legal limit of BAH when driving.

Will you do that for me you emotionally appealing sissy?

I hope you get bukkaked by Haitians.
 
2012-08-24 11:27:17 AM  

sprawl15: JohnnyC: Nana's Vibrator: I'd say it shouldn't be called a "mass" killing.

So what would you call it?

A volume killing.


That's how we make up the difference, right?

/Oh man oh man I woke up in the wrong thread again shiat where am I why'd I drink so much oh God...
 
2012-08-24 11:27:57 AM  

Boudica's War Tampon: I Said: On 8/24 I had a view of the Empire State Building from my office.

Never Forget.

Are they selling magnetic car ribbons yet? How about miniature American flags?


No but there are a lot of tourist shops in the area.
 
2012-08-24 11:28:05 AM  
NYPD Kelly: Johnson employed for six years at Hazan Imports as designer of women's accessories. Lost his job during downsizing of company a year ago.
 
2012-08-24 11:28:05 AM  

JerseyTim: He worked as Hazan Imports as a designer of women's accessories.


Wow, a gun will turn anyone in to a tough guy.
 
2012-08-24 11:28:27 AM  
This type of shiat is going to happen. Just face it. 8 Million people live here. At least a handful of them have to be crazy.
 
2012-08-24 11:28:38 AM  

USP .45: so it's dropped since the sunset of the failed "Assault Weapons Ban." Thanks for pointing that out useful idiot.


You mean this one that is still in effect and not a failure by any measure?

"New York maintains a state level prohibition against the features listed in the now defunct Federal Assault Weapons Ban.[2][3][4] Magazines made after 1994 with a capacity in excess of 10 rounds are banned, as are rifles with two or more of the restricted features (pistol grip, bayonet lug, collapsible or folding stock, flash suppressor, and threaded barrel).[5][6][7]"

cite

Try again asshat.
 
2012-08-24 11:28:53 AM  

Dimensio: I was unaware that the "assault weapons bans" enacted in California, Massachusetts, Cook County and the city of New York had been "off the books for years" and that politicians no longer proposed enacting such legislation at a federal level.


Sorry, I don't pay a whole lot of attention to other states' laws, that's their problem and its up to their voters. That doesn't change the fact that the feds should be in the business of enforcing reasonable controls that prevent demonstrably dangerous people from obtaining destructive weapons.

A good start would be to recognize that our mental health services in this country are complete shiat and need to be improved dramatically so that we can actually identify unstable people before they start shooting the rest of us.

gja: Oh, and BTW, sorry you feel you need a...what was the term?.....oh yes, "penis stand-in".


Three of them!
 
2012-08-24 11:29:02 AM  
Mayor Bloomberg: Some victims may have been accidentally shot by NYPD officers
 
2012-08-24 11:29:14 AM  
Goddamn, I love testy Bloomberg.
 
2012-08-24 11:30:02 AM  
Bloomberg isn't taking any shiat from the media right now. He's copping an attitude with the media.
 
2012-08-24 11:30:41 AM  

Hobodeluxe: LesserEvil: Not to be petty, but that magazine holds 30 bullets, not 100

the one Holmes had held 100 rounds. he also had teargas grenades. all legal.


Anything over 30 rounds is only available to police/military, and by all accounts, everything he had was perfectly legal, therefore .. i call more bs. 


Also, btw, let's see if anyone can pull the trigger on a semi-automatic 100 times in 60 seconds. Also, would anyone doing so in anywhere outside of cities that have such draconian laws on private citizens carrying, actually survive long enough to pull the trigger that many times?

So far, indications are pretty unlikely. Even in the best possible situations (from the killer perspective) for people to kill huge quantities of people (such as the Colorado shooting), he went from his AR to his other weapons, after his AR became useless (jammed up before he had finished firing his 30 rounds), when it's more widely suspected that if he really wanted to fark people up, he'd have just used his shotgun.
 
2012-08-24 11:30:47 AM  

brantgoose: Lexington Line subway service curtailed due to mass shooting at Empire State


Well it's a good try, but the Lexington Line wouldn't be affected as much as the Broadway or Sixth Avenue lines.
 
2012-08-24 11:30:47 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: dwrash: FYI I do not own a single gun, I only teach archery from time to time with recurve style bows (I view compounds as cheating). I don't have a potato cannon, and I only remember how to create thermite because my crack pot science teacher in high school showed us how.

This brings up a good point. A compound bow is cheating, and guns in general are worse, even in hunting. I say all weapons are cheating. If you want to kill someone or something, you have to put on a wrestling mask and challenge your intended victims as if being interviewed by Mean Gene Okerlund. And instead of killing them, if you win your challenge, you get to take their shoes and put them in a trophy case. Fair is fair.


I'd have a huge trophy case full of shoes :)

//state champ runner up wrestler in the 170 bound weight class in high school, and I didn't do too bad in college either.

//Reminds me of festivus!
 
2012-08-24 11:30:55 AM  

seadoo2006: - Federally register and TITLE all firearms currently in possession.


I am not unopposed to firearm registration on principle, however firearm registration systems have demonstrably been utilized to effect efficient confiscation of firearms at later times (as has occurred in New York, Cook County and California). I therefore oppose any registration system unless some measure is enacted to guarantee that the registry can never be utilized to enact confiscation of firearms (except from individuals legally disqualified from possessing firearms due to criteria established prior to implementation of the registration system). 

I am also curious as to what demonstrable benefit will result from firearm registration.
 
2012-08-24 11:30:55 AM  
Bloomberg is dressed like he was boarding his yacht when he found out.
 
2012-08-24 11:31:01 AM  
If it hasn't been said yet... Chicago has these number of deaths on the south side almost on a daily basis... makes local news... barely... **yawn**
 
2012-08-24 11:31:30 AM  
BLOOMBERG: Some victims shot 'accidentally' by police...

Oh man...
 
2012-08-24 11:31:32 AM  

Stoj: Mayor Bloomberg: Some victims may have been accidentally shot by NYPD officers


...But enough about the last 50 years, what about the incident this morning?
 
2012-08-24 11:31:35 AM  

illogic: USP .45: so it's dropped since the sunset of the failed "Assault Weapons Ban." Thanks for pointing that out useful idiot.

You mean this one that is still in effect and not a failure by any measure?

"New York maintains a state level prohibition against the features listed in the now defunct Federal Assault Weapons Ban.[2][3][4] Magazines made after 1994 with a capacity in excess of 10 rounds are banned, as are rifles with two or more of the restricted features (pistol grip, bayonet lug, collapsible or folding stock, flash suppressor, and threaded barrel).[5][6][7]"

cite

Try again asshat.


Magazines made before 1994 aren't banned dumbello. Additionally, it would take a person a matter of hours to get new magazines into NY.

The laws are uselss dumbello.
 
2012-08-24 11:31:50 AM  

JohnnyC: From what I understand... most guns are banned in Britain (.22 being the exception that I'm aware of). In Brazil, fully automatic guns and automatic guns are banned and the rest are regulated (licensed), not banned. Also, I am not bipolar.


So they have gun control? So, Exactly like I said? Glad that's cleared up.

And a gun control in the US would look alot more like Brazil than it would it England, with over half of the firearms unregister and illegal readily available to criminals and gangs and only legal citizens that can't afford security details would be banned from protecting themself in public.

Anybody who thinks we can transform US society into the UK society is deluding themselves.
 
2012-08-24 11:31:51 AM  
How many times does Bloomberg have to tell these asshole media jackoffs that they don't have a ton of information right now? A number of these reporters were asking him the same question over and over again, just changing around the word order.
 
2012-08-24 11:31:53 AM  

ChuDogg: So it follows the national average of decline?


Did you read the quote. Let me help...

"While crime rates have stopped decreasing for a decade in the rest of the United States, in New York the murder rate for 2009 is at an all time low of 466, more than a 10% decline from the previous year, and the lowest count during the period that crime statistics have been recorded"
 
2012-08-24 11:32:09 AM  
Reporter question: Who's the construction worker, isn't he the hero here?
Bloomberg: Everyone can be called a hero, he did what he was supposed to do, inform the cops and let them handle it.
 
2012-08-24 11:32:43 AM  

Dimensio: I was unaware that the "assault weapons bans" enacted in California, Massachusetts, Cook County and the city of New York had been "off the books for years" and that politicians no longer proposed enacting such legislation at a federal level.


apotential.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-24 11:32:54 AM  
haha geez... after listening to the interview with the mayor, it sounds like I may have been correct earlier... Gunman shoots/kills 1, cops shoot 9 others.
 
2012-08-24 11:33:06 AM  

ekdikeo4: Hobodeluxe: LesserEvil: Not to be petty, but that magazine holds 30 bullets, not 100

the one Holmes had held 100 rounds. he also had teargas grenades. all legal.

Anything over 30 rounds is only available to police/military, and by all accounts, everything he had was perfectly legal, therefore .. i call more bs. 


Also, btw, let's see if anyone can pull the trigger on a semi-automatic 100 times in 60 seconds. Also, would anyone doing so in anywhere outside of cities that have such draconian laws on private citizens carrying, actually survive long enough to pull the trigger that many times?

So far, indications are pretty unlikely. Even in the best possible situations (from the killer perspective) for people to kill huge quantities of people (such as the Colorado shooting), he went from his AR to his other weapons, after his AR became useless (jammed up before he had finished firing his 30 rounds), when it's more widely suspected that if he really wanted to fark people up, he'd have just used his shotgun.


I wonder were one could buy magazines with such a large capacity
 
2012-08-24 11:33:24 AM  
miss we dont know, miss we dont know, miss miss miss miss we dont know
 
2012-08-24 11:33:29 AM  
Rational discussion in these threads is impossible. It's always the same four talking points recycled ad nauseum. Might as well just toss out unrelated jokes:

A Mexican-American, a black guy, a white Catholic guy and an atheist woman walk into a bar together. They say to each other "Christ, Mitt Romney's an asshole."
 
2012-08-24 11:33:46 AM  

redmid17: He dropped it publicly once he realized it was a political loser


I wonder why things become political non-starters... hmmm.... could it have something to do with the level of support?

I can't help it that some politicians are idiots on some issues, that doesn't change the fact that the federal AWB was of questionable value and is now dead and gone and not coming back anytime soon.

Keep telling yourself someone's out to get your guns, though.
 
2012-08-24 11:33:48 AM  

dwrash: Nana's Vibrator: dwrash: FYI I do not own a single gun, I only teach archery from time to time with recurve style bows (I view compounds as cheating). I don't have a potato cannon, and I only remember how to create thermite because my crack pot science teacher in high school showed us how.

This brings up a good point. A compound bow is cheating, and guns in general are worse, even in hunting. I say all weapons are cheating. If you want to kill someone or something, you have to put on a wrestling mask and challenge your intended victims as if being interviewed by Mean Gene Okerlund. And instead of killing them, if you win your challenge, you get to take their shoes and put them in a trophy case. Fair is fair.

I'd have a huge trophy case full of shoes :)

//state champ runner up wrestler in the 170 bound weight class in high school, and I didn't do too bad in college either.

//Reminds me of festivus!


I'd have an empty trophy case, but I'd just tell the ladies that I fight at the beach a lot.
 
2012-08-24 11:33:51 AM  

odinsposse: Given that, I'm content in continuing to make fun of you for pretending that "I'm right because I don't want to acknowledge a debate might be debateable" is a legitimate criticism.


Reading the rest of the post may have helped your comprehension. The right of free access to guns means that some people will misuse the guns. When people start shooting into crowds, bodycounts get higher than they would have been if the guy had been swinging an axe. Full stop.

If you want to talk about the effectiveness of a specific gun control policy, that's a different matter.
 
2012-08-24 11:34:12 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: brantgoose: Lexington Line subway service curtailed due to mass shooting at Empire State

Well it's a good try, but the Lexington Line wouldn't be affected as much as the Broadway or Sixth Avenue lines.


Like I said before, I was on the E on 53rd and even that stopped. That's farther away from the ESB than the 6 is. I'm thinking they went into over-cautious mode.
 
2012-08-24 11:34:12 AM  

Alonjar: Gunman shoots/kills 1, cops shoot 9 others.


"only the police should have guns" ~leftists
 
2012-08-24 11:34:16 AM  

Dimensio: Insulting USP .45 will not cause the demonstrably false claims of the image that you posted to become true.


There's 30 rounds in the magazine instead of 100.
Yes, clearly that's obviously the most important thing in the image which we should all focus our attention on, and is not at all a red herring.
 
2012-08-24 11:34:48 AM  
j.wigflip.com
 
2012-08-24 11:34:53 AM  

Coco LaFemme: How many times does Bloomberg have to tell these asshole media jackoffs that they don't have a ton of information right now? A number of these reporters were asking him the same question over and over again, just changing around the word order.


Yup and he was like "You guys don't get it do you? We dont have the info yet!"
 
2012-08-24 11:35:11 AM  

Dimensio: HAMMERTOE: Magazine holds 100 bullets??? O RLY???

Removing the spring and other internal components could hypothetically allow for insertion of one-hundred uncased bullets.


You are missing the point. Yes, that's probably a 30 round mag (which, I just learned to my horror, you can buy on amazon along with a book that tells you how to make your own undocumented Ar-15) but the punchline is still at the bottom. We outlawed these things, the NRA decided that we needed to put these back into the civilian arsenal and people were killed with them. Why do non-soldiers need these kinds of weapons?
 
2012-08-24 11:35:24 AM  

JohnnyC: AliceBToklasLives: What does that mean "guns aren't banned"? Is it either total ban or everything goes? Is your bipolar view of the world why I can never understand?

/real world: guns are regulated in Brazil, as they are in every other country in the world (including the UK, where guns are by no means "banned")

From what I understand... most guns are banned in Britain (.22 being the exception that I'm aware of). In Brazil, fully automatic guns and automatic guns are banned and the rest are regulated (licensed), not banned. Also, I am not bipolar.


That's better - Brazil regulates guns, as does the UK.

The point: the line has to be drawn somewhere and different kinds of lines are drawn in different places.

In the US the line is drawn based on the kind of weapon - which you agree with (unless you want everyone to have unrestricted access to suitcase nukes and you know you don't) and fully automatic weapons are more or less banned.

In the UK, the line is drawn based both on the kind of weapon (again, fully automatic is out) and the person who wants to own the weapon (in line with the NRA's 'guns don't kill people' line) - essentially, you have to provide a good reason for owning a weapon, and generalized self-defense (worried about some random attacker) will not cut it -- very different from the US where no reason is required, just an age limit.

/the point: in both cases guns are regulated (as they are in Brazil). Talk of banning is just a way of blocking reasonable discussion over exactly how they should be regulated
//I did not diagnose you as bipolar - rather I said you view of the world was bipolar (banned or anything goes) - sorry for the lack of clarity there
 
2012-08-24 11:35:43 AM  

FreakinB: Yanks_RSJ: brantgoose: Lexington Line subway service curtailed due to mass shooting at Empire State

Well it's a good try, but the Lexington Line wouldn't be affected as much as the Broadway or Sixth Avenue lines.

Like I said before, I was on the E on 53rd and even that stopped. That's farther away from the ESB than the 6 is. I'm thinking they went into over-cautious mode.


Are we sure that was shooting-related and not just the usual holdups on the E?
 
2012-08-24 11:35:50 AM  

illogic: ChuDogg: So it follows the national average of decline?

Did you read the quote. Let me help...

"While crime rates have stopped decreasing for a decade in the rest of the United States, in New York the murder rate for 2009 is at an all time low of 466, more than a 10% decline from the previous year, and the lowest count during the period that crime statistics have been recorded"


Have there been any new guns law introduced in NYC in the last 7 or so years? The gun crime you're using as evidence started dropping before the NYC AWB.
 
2012-08-24 11:36:15 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Dimensio: I was unaware that the "assault weapons bans" enacted in California, Massachusetts, Cook County and the city of New York had been "off the books for years" and that politicians no longer proposed enacting such legislation at a federal level.

Sorry, I don't pay a whole lot of attention to other states' laws, that's their problem and its up to their voters. That doesn't change the fact that the feds should be in the business of enforcing reasonable controls that prevent demonstrably dangerous people from obtaining destructive weapons.


Unfortunately, the most prominent advocates for such restriction believe a renewed "assault weapons ban" to be reasonable. Due to their prominence, more reasoned proposals by less prominent individuals are dismissed as an irrational reaction by civilian firearm rights advocacy organizations due to the aforementioned prominence and prevalence of entirely unreasonable proposals.


A good start would be to recognize that our mental health services in this country are complete shiat and need to be improved dramatically so that we can actually identify unstable people before they start shooting the rest of us.

I concur.
 
2012-08-24 11:36:27 AM  

ChuDogg: Anybody who thinks we can transform US society into the UK society is deluding themselves.


Nice strawman you've got there.
 
2012-08-24 11:36:41 AM  
THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE!

GUNS ARE BANNED IN NEW YORK. HOW CAN SOMEONE BREAK THE LAW?! IT IS MADE OF MAGICKS
 
2012-08-24 11:36:59 AM  

USP .45: The AWB wouldn't have prevented anything you're referencing you farking dumbass.


Holmes bought the AR-15 legally.
banning assault weapons would have made it impossible to buy such a weapon illegally...

Do I need to draw you another picture? like a real simple one with crayons?
 
2012-08-24 11:37:22 AM  
Website leads me to believe that there has been a glitch in the matrix.... http://hazanimportcorp.com/
 
2012-08-24 11:37:38 AM  

Dimensio: seadoo2006: - Federally register and TITLE all firearms currently in possession.

I am not unopposed to firearm registration on principle, however firearm registration systems have demonstrably been utilized to effect efficient confiscation of firearms at later times (as has occurred in New York, Cook County and California). I therefore oppose any registration system unless some measure is enacted to guarantee that the registry can never be utilized to enact confiscation of firearms (except from individuals legally disqualified from possessing firearms due to criteria established prior to implementation of the registration system). 

I am also curious as to what demonstrable benefit will result from firearm registration.


Gun ownership tracking ... same reason we title cars, boats, homes, etc etc. If also imposes penalties on cash sales, illegal arms sales, etc etc etc ... If you are in possession of an improperly registered gun, it's prison time!

It also can track destruction of guns, creation of guns, inter-state transfers of guns. Simply put, the data collected by tracking ALL arms sales and making cash transactions illegal will stem the criminals ability to own a gun. Think about it. If a gun company is responsible for that gun, if a gun seller is responsible for that gun, and if a gun owner is responsible for that gun, the likelihood anyone will give a gun to an unsavory person is going to be a lot less.

Again, if you knew you were legally responsible for your firearms - even if they were stolen - how much more would you protect those guns. If a gun store was legally responsible for the guns he sold, how much more would he look in to who was buying them? How much more would be be interested in protecting his inventory?

Make gun ownership a risky proposition and start destroying guns wholesale. Anything unregistered within a year or with serial numbers filed off make a 5-year mandatory prison sentence for. Make it so that if you own a gun, you better THINK long and hard about the repercussions of that same ownership.
 
2012-08-24 11:37:46 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Marine1: HotWingConspiracy: Marine1: HotWingConspiracy: Marine1: Gunny Highway: Quick everyone start acting like an authority on gun, the demographics of Manhattan, and the laws of the city and state of New York! Hurry!

Well, does anyone know what this guy was armed with?

NYC has handgun permits, no? I mean, they're made to be incredibly hard to get, but that didn't do much here. Neither did the state's ban on "assault weapons".

/Good lord I hate that term...

Are you people infants? I don't get it. Do you decry theft laws because they haven't magically stopped theft?

No, because they're meant to punish theft. It's a reactionary system. You commit theft, get caught, go to trial, and if the government does its part, you get punished in a manner prescribed by law.

Restrictions on firearms are, in theory, supposed to stop these sorts of things from happening. The problem is, they don't.

And loose gun regulations do? Draw me that map, I'm not seeing it.

It's kind of an impossible claim, anyway, as there is no telling how many people were deterred by not being able to get their hands on a weapon when they were feeling shooty.

"Loose" gun regulations provide regular, law-abiding citizens a line of defense in the 99% of other violent crimes that happen in the US. Even though the news media loves to sensationalize these incidents, they're statistical anomalies in the realm of violent crime. Rape, assault, robbery, burglary, violent kidnapping, and attempted murder are all much more common crimes where potential victims could justify protecting themselves with a firearm.

I honestly don't have much of a problem with that, but I want to see the threshold for ownership be much higher. Not just any shmoe should be allowed that kind of power without some kind of training. I'd also like to see it pushed by people that actually are responsible with gun ownership. Gun owners seem stuck in this siege mindset where they need to reject everything, even reasonable proposals.

...


Not every schmoe can go and buy one. Now, the enforcement mechanism to make sure that the insane, felons, etc. can't go out and buy one isn't effective, but that's not something you can solve with more laws on the original item you're trying to control.

Overall crime stats have been on the decline for decades now. Firearms laws have varied across the country, but the US is a less violent place than it used to be. I don't think you could even attribute NYC's drop in crime to firearms laws. A better explanation would be the decline of organized crime in the area, combined with better economic conditions in the city. Even Times Square is cleaner than it was.
 
2012-08-24 11:38:30 AM  

CAADbury: Sure, I'll start: New York City has an outright ban on guns. Did that prevent this from happening? Are those gun control policies reasonable?


It does not have an outright ban.

I know 2 people who have legal permitted firearms in their homes. While the registration process was long and difficult, that does not equal "outright ban"
 
2012-08-24 11:38:43 AM  

Alonjar: haha geez... after listening to the interview with the mayor, it sounds like I may have been correct earlier... Gunman shoots/kills 1, cops shoot 9 others.


That's what it sounded like to me. He killed the first person and then when the cops confronted him they mag dumped before he got a shot off.
 
2012-08-24 11:38:55 AM  

cassanovascotian: Dimensio: Insulting USP .45 will not cause the demonstrably false claims of the image that you posted to become true.

There's 30 rounds in the magazine instead of 100.
Yes, clearly that's obviously the most important thing in the image which we should all focus our attention on, and is not at all a red herring.


The AWB didn't confiscate magazines made before 1994. I remember seeing giant crates filled with preban magazines. The AWB wouldn't have done anything but added slightly to the price tag. Your argument hinges upon the AWB and fails as horribly as your parents' confidence building skills for their waif of a child.
 
2012-08-24 11:38:59 AM  

Marine1: A better explanation would be the decline of organized crime in the area, combined with better economic conditions in the city.


Plus, abortion. You abort the lower socio-economic class, and there are fewer criminals.
 
2012-08-24 11:39:32 AM  

USP .45: Magazines made before 1994 aren't banned dumbello. Additionally, it would take a person a matter of hours to get new magazines into NY.

The laws are uselss dumbello.



So your argument is, if a law can be broken that law shouldn't exist? Really?
 
2012-08-24 11:39:32 AM  
If this were Norway, he'd be out already.

/ This is a terrible crime

//Seadoo2006- you are stupid.
 
2012-08-24 11:39:37 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: redmid17: He dropped it publicly once he realized it was a political loser

I wonder why things become political non-starters... hmmm.... could it have something to do with the level of support?

I can't help it that some politicians are idiots on some issues, that doesn't change the fact that the federal AWB was of questionable value and is now dead and gone and not coming back anytime soon.

Keep telling yourself someone's out to get your guns, though.


I don't believe I said anything of the sort. None of my guns would fall under that ban anyway. The Federal AWB was completely moronic. The gun manufacturers just had to make cosmetic changes to the guns. The functionality of the weapons was kept entirely intact. Rifles are so rarely used in crime that it's not really even worth the effort to try and pass legislation against them. Handguns are used in 80%-90% of gun crime, so any earnest effort to regulate guns should start with those. Good luck with that.
 
2012-08-24 11:39:48 AM  

ekdikeo4: Anything over 30 rounds is only available to police/military


I own a one-hundred round Beta C magazine for my AR-15. I also own a fifty-round .22lr magazine for use with the same firearm.

I am employed neither with a law enforcement agency nor a military branch.
 
2012-08-24 11:39:57 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: FreakinB: Yanks_RSJ: brantgoose: Lexington Line subway service curtailed due to mass shooting at Empire State

Well it's a good try, but the Lexington Line wouldn't be affected as much as the Broadway or Sixth Avenue lines.

Like I said before, I was on the E on 53rd and even that stopped. That's farther away from the ESB than the 6 is. I'm thinking they went into over-cautious mode.

Are we sure that was shooting-related and not just the usual holdups on the E?


This was way beyond normal.
 
2012-08-24 11:40:31 AM  

bim1154: If it hasn't been said yet... Chicago has these number of deaths on the south side almost on a daily basis... makes local news... barely... **yawn**


Two deaths per day in Chicago may be an improvement over the current situation.
 
2012-08-24 11:40:38 AM  

USP .45: I will, right after you explain to the family of a drunk driving victim that alcohol is legal, and that there is a legal limit of BAH when driving.


The funny thing is that alcohol has the potential -just every once in a while- for being used for things other than killing people -like celebrating, for example-. Now explain to me why we need to have AR-15s in society. Explain to me how this thing is useful for doing things other than killing people. I'm all ears.
 
2012-08-24 11:40:46 AM  

USP .45: Alonjar: Gunman shoots/kills 1, cops shoot 9 others.

"only the police should have guns" ~leftists


Just put the keyboard down and walk away. You don't need to misrepresent your fellow Americans. It makes you look worse than anyone you're misrepresent.
 
2012-08-24 11:40:47 AM  

xsarien: OK. Let's talk about the barriers to decent mental health coverage in the US.


Indeed.
 
2012-08-24 11:40:51 AM  

cassanovascotian: USP .45: The AWB wouldn't have prevented anything you're referencing you farking dumbass.

Holmes bought the AR-15 legally.
banning assault weapons would have made it impossible to buy such a weapon illegally...

Do I need to draw you another picture? like a real simple one with crayons?


It didn't retroactively confiscate firearms or magazines made before 1994 you came-into-this-thread-with-insufficient-knowlege-Maroon-5-album-owning fruit.
 
2012-08-24 11:40:56 AM  

Dimensio: ekdikeo4: Anything over 30 rounds is only available to police/military

I own a one-hundred round Beta C magazine for my AR-15. I also own a fifty-round .22lr magazine for use with the same firearm.

I am employed neither with a law enforcement agency nor a military branch.


Nor very secretive.
 
2012-08-24 11:41:45 AM  

illogic: Did you read the quote. Let me help...


No I didn't, I don't bother with somebody that argues with logical fallacies.

Ever think there might be some other explanation? Oh I don't know? The transformation of NYC from a crack haven to Disney World? Pricing out all lower income families so that even the burroughs are largely unaffordable? The rampant increase in the prison population simply moving the crime from the ghetto to the prison?

And there's probably about 10 other factors that people who have studied the issue have brought up.

But gun crime as a whole? Yes, there's been a national decline that has occurred in virtually eve