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2012-08-24 09:40:43 AM  
Not our problem anymor...hey wait a minute.
 
2012-08-24 10:16:22 AM  
It's nice to see The Dark Knight Rises is still selling tickets
 
2012-08-24 10:16:41 AM  
FTA: At 10 shot at Empire State Building
One man says he heard at least nine gunshots


Well I'd bloody well hope so
 
2012-08-24 10:16:45 AM  
Aye lass?
 
2012-08-24 10:17:11 AM  
At 10 shot at Empire State Building, authorities say

Nice proofreading, CNN.

/bet they fix it quick
 
2012-08-24 10:17:14 AM  
You need more guns when you have a problem with guns.
 
2012-08-24 10:17:17 AM  
Were they so excited they forgot to add "least" to the headline?
 
2012-08-24 10:17:18 AM  
What was their political beliefs. This is important
 
2012-08-24 10:17:26 AM  
My husband works at 34th and Park. He and most of his employees walk that way to work every day. Thankfully he's in CA today. We're hoping all his employees check in at some point.
 
2012-08-24 10:17:30 AM  
Only four random people were shot this time. boooring.
 
2012-08-24 10:17:34 AM  
He's going to be white, isn't he?
 
2012-08-24 10:17:35 AM  
best wishes go out to all the victims and their families.

NYC needs tougher gun laws.
 
2012-08-24 10:17:35 AM  
Another sad, sad story. My prayers go out ot the victims and their families.
 
2012-08-24 10:17:39 AM  
Won't somebody think of the New Yorkers?
 
2012-08-24 10:17:59 AM  

Warlordtrooper: What was their political beliefs. This is important


RON PAUL!
 
2012-08-24 10:18:07 AM  
Conspiracy angle: Exactly 4,000 days since 9/11/01.

Coincidence?
 
2012-08-24 10:18:10 AM  
Women in church are causing shootings?
 
2012-08-24 10:18:15 AM  
How are those strict gun laws working out for you Bloomberg? At least he couldn't throw a large soda on them.
 
2012-08-24 10:18:27 AM  

pinktaco4lunch: So one dead is a mass causality?


4 confirmed
 
2012-08-24 10:18:32 AM  
Mass casualty shootings happen every day in the inner cities

It's just that people only pay attention to or care about the ones that involve white people or middle class or higher people.
 
2012-08-24 10:18:40 AM  
Here comes all the "If they had guns laws in NY like in Texas, this wouldn't have happened" crap the next few days...
 
2012-08-24 10:18:52 AM  
Local reports are saying it wasn't AT the ESB, just across the street, and appears to have been a targeted hit type thing, and most of the injuries being people caught in the gunfight with cops.
 
2012-08-24 10:18:57 AM  
'Causality' is actually the right word, because The Onion already knew about this yesterday.

In case I don't get the greenlight: http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-celebrates-full-week-without-d eadly-mass-sh,29293/
 
2012-08-24 10:19:06 AM  
Where were the Avengers, Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, etc when you need them?
 
2012-08-24 10:19:06 AM  

pinktaco4lunch: So one dead is a mass causality?


I think someone being killed or injured counts as a casualty. So it really depends if you consider 10 to be a mass casualty.
 
2012-08-24 10:19:15 AM  
Since it's in NY, at least we'll have millions of Instagrammed photos to squint at
 
2012-08-24 10:19:17 AM  
Someone needs to post that "Tom Tomorrow" cartoon, where the penguin concedes how the NRA has won and we just need to come to grips with the fact that we're going to have mass shootings every so often.

/hoping for the best for my fellow New Yorkers
 
2012-08-24 10:19:26 AM  
FTFA:

"The shooter, distraught over his inability to obtain his morning coffee in a 20-ounce cup and frustrated in his efforts to locate baby formula for his wife..."

You're doing a heck of a job, Bloomie.
 
2012-08-24 10:19:26 AM  
If we all had guns, there would've only been ONE civilian shot.
 
2012-08-24 10:19:30 AM  
Can we fly in a podunk sheriff to determine whether this is domestic terrorism?
 
2012-08-24 10:19:30 AM  
You know guys, I'm starting to get a little tired of this.
 
2012-08-24 10:19:39 AM  

Warlordtrooper: What was their political beliefs. This is important


Fartb0ng0 is gunna tak ur gunz!
 
2012-08-24 10:19:46 AM  
Everyone Panic?
 
2012-08-24 10:19:54 AM  
Well I'll have to say I'm pretty shaken up. I walked pass there at 8:45 as I do everyday on the way to work from Penn station.

/I better lay off the coffee as I'm shaking enough already. Damn scary.
 
2012-08-24 10:19:57 AM  
Oddly enough, The Onion published this article yesterday (16 hours ago): http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-celebrates-full-week-without-d eadly-mass-sh,29293/

NEW YORK-Cheers filled the streets and American flags waved triumphantly through the air today as the nation turned out in full force to celebrate an entire week having passed since the last time a madman opened fire on innocent civilians in some kind of fatal mass shooting. "We did it, folks! We banded together and managed to go seven whole days without killing our fellow Americans in a senseless murdering spree!" Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano said in a speech to jubilant throngs gathered in Times Square. "Yes, some people were shot this week, but not in a random, highly public, viscerally disturbing way and-most importantly-not all in one place, by one psychopath. Maybe one day we can live in a society where abominable large-scale gun violence stays out of the national headlines for a whole month even!" At press time, federal authorities had issued a reminder to all Americans that a lot can happen in 24 hours, "so let's not get too excited yet.

Quickest funny aneurysm moment in history?
 
2012-08-24 10:20:02 AM  
The most tragic thing about this is the discovery that the NY Times website can't handle the traffic this shooting has caused.

Oh, and the people who died, of course. If it really was an employee who just got fired and went postal, that farking sucks.
 
2012-08-24 10:20:17 AM  
OMG A woman mass shooter!
 
2012-08-24 10:20:25 AM  

Aarontology: Mass casualty shootings happen every day in the inner cities

It's just that people only pay attention to or care about the ones that involve white people or middle class or higher people.


I lived in NYC for a long time. There were reports of shootings all the time but never "mass shootings"

Lots of stabbings.
 
2012-08-24 10:20:27 AM  

Aarontology: Mass casualty shootings happen every day in the inner cities

It's just that people only pay attention to or care about the ones that involve white people or middle class or higher people.


Largely true.

It's also an area that's heavily policed by "uniform cops" and cops in riot gear with semi-auto's.
 
2012-08-24 10:20:32 AM  
What the hell is wrong with people?? We can barely go a week without some horrific shooting spree somewhere. WTF??
 
2012-08-24 10:20:43 AM  
I call fake.

Everyone knows guns are illegal in New York City.
 
2012-08-24 10:20:44 AM  
Also more people have been shot in chicago since last night than what just happened.
 
2012-08-24 10:20:54 AM  

Aarontology: Mass casualty shootings happen every day in the inner cities

It's just that people only pay attention to or care about the ones that involve white people or middle class or higher people.


THIS!

/also, it was a woman shooter this time?
 
2012-08-24 10:20:55 AM  

LineNoise: Local reports are saying it wasn't AT the ESB, just across the street, and appears to have been a targeted hit type thing, and most of the injuries being people caught in the gunfight with cops.


You mean a firefight with an armed gunman can result in innocent bystanders getting shot? I don't believe it.
 
2012-08-24 10:20:56 AM  
ABC News is reporting the ESB shooting was a workplace dispute that spilled out onto the street.

- Paula Edgar, PGE LLC (@PaulaEdgar) August 24, 2012
 
2012-08-24 10:21:00 AM  
In before politicizing begins...oh, no, wait, nevermind.
 
2012-08-24 10:21:21 AM  
Suddenly have two thoughts. One is that the 1300 price tag of that small Kimber 45 ACP may not be so bad. Two is to go stock up on Ammo for my 9 mm.
 
2012-08-24 10:21:27 AM  
If everyone in NYC were heavily armed this would have never happened.
 
2012-08-24 10:21:34 AM  
The article mentions a Gunman...I hope it wasn't my uncle, Art Gunman, who lives in that area. He's prone to fits of rage when he's not on his medication.
 
2012-08-24 10:21:40 AM  
I see Obama's plot to take guns away from the American people is continuing.
 
2012-08-24 10:21:42 AM  

Richard Flaccid: OMG A woman mass shooter!


Palin DEMOLISHED the glass ceiling
 
2012-08-24 10:21:47 AM  

Gunny Highway: I lived in NYC for a long time. There were reports of shootings all the time but never "mass shootings"

Lots of stabbings.


Maybe not New York, but places like Philly, New Orleans, etc.

I Said: Largely true.

It's also an area that's heavily policed by "uniform cops" and cops in riot gear with semi-auto's.


That's one of the things that weirds me out when I go into NYC.
 
2012-08-24 10:21:54 AM  

angry_scientist: Aye lass?


And a bonnie lass she was!
 
2012-08-24 10:22:10 AM  

Walker: How are those strict gun laws working out for you Bloomberg? At least he couldn't throw a large soda on them.


Working pretty awesome, gun crime is low. Probably lower than where you live.
 
2012-08-24 10:22:20 AM  

Aarontology: Mass casualty shootings happen every day in the inner cities

It's just that people only pay attention to or care about the ones that involve white people or middle class or higher people NYC because ZOMG 9/11 TURRISTS!!.

 
2012-08-24 10:22:21 AM  
I'm so sick of this shiat.
 
2012-08-24 10:22:27 AM  

Walker: How are those strict gun laws working out for you Bloomberg? At least he couldn't throw a large soda on them.


I don't think you get that not everyone wants to carry a gun on them at all times, for the same reason no one wants to wear a helmet at all times.
 
2012-08-24 10:22:29 AM  
This will be an affair they'll remember.
 
2012-08-24 10:22:41 AM  

blur612: Conspiracy angle: Exactly 4,000 days since 9/11/01.

Coincidence?


And only 118 days until the apocalypse. Plus only 4,031 days until the ULTRA-apocalypse. Coincidence? I think not.

/ultra-apocalypse will have four times the damnation 
//you heard it here first
 
2012-08-24 10:22:44 AM  

Aarontology: Mass casualty shootings happen every day in the inner cities

It's just that people only pay attention to or care about the ones that involve white people or middle class or higher people.


People don't open fire on pedestrians in midtown Manhattan every day. Shut the fark up.
 
2012-08-24 10:23:02 AM  
If these people were armed, they would have been bulletproof. It's science.
 
2012-08-24 10:23:11 AM  
thismodernworld.comView Full Size
 
2012-08-24 10:23:11 AM  
A large ape was seen limping away.
 
2012-08-24 10:23:21 AM  
Sure glad NYC has those strong gun-control laws.
 
2012-08-24 10:23:23 AM  
I worked there for 7 years until I moved upstate. Now I have a reason to be glad I moved to Binghamton.

/Take away people's soda and trans fats and this is what happens, Bloomberg
 
2012-08-24 10:23:27 AM  
At 10 shot at Empire State Building, authorities say

lakeandtheriver.comView Full Size
 
2012-08-24 10:23:43 AM  
I'm starting to worry a couple of my coworkers might snap soon. How much is Kevlar?
 
2012-08-24 10:23:45 AM  

Aarontology: Mass casualty shootings happen every day in the inner cities

It's just that people only pay attention to or care about the ones that involve white people or middle class or higher people.


Not necessarily; it's just so common among some "peoples" that they simply don't make the news anymore.
 
2012-08-24 10:23:52 AM  

BunkoSquad: Since it's in NY, at least we'll have millions of Instagrammed photos to squint at


No, Midtown is too mainstream for the hipsters.
 
2012-08-24 10:23:52 AM  

NeoBad: Suddenly have two thoughts. One is that the 1300 price tag of that small Kimber 45 ACP may not be so bad. Two is to go stock up on Ammo for my 9 mm.


UGH, please not a 1911 variant. 8+1 is a pretty paltry capacity nowadays.

Though, I suppose, once you're out of ammo, you can always throw the super carry pro at the bad guys. makes a pretty good blunt force instrument.
 
2012-08-24 10:23:53 AM  
I'm sure the elevator guy who chased the gunman will get fired for violating some HR policy.
 
2012-08-24 10:24:00 AM  

imtheonlylp: If we all had guns, there would've only been ONE civilian shot.


No, you're wrong. even more people would have been shot.
 
2012-08-24 10:24:01 AM  

Silly Jesus: He's going to be white, isn't he?


Who said it was a he?

/it's a he, and he's white. I'd put money on that.
 
2012-08-24 10:24:04 AM  
I wonder how long before Bloomberg wants to ban not only all firearms possession, but hollow plastic tubes longer than 5 inches (aka straws) just in case.
 
2012-08-24 10:24:14 AM  
Two guys in a car shot 8 people in Chicago last night. 6 of the 8 were teenagers.


Step it up, New York.
 
2012-08-24 10:24:14 AM  
shooting?

In NY?

I thought they had strict gun laws?
 
2012-08-24 10:24:18 AM  

Carth: LineNoise: Local reports are saying it wasn't AT the ESB, just across the street, and appears to have been a targeted hit type thing, and most of the injuries being people caught in the gunfight with cops.

You mean a firefight with an armed gunman can result in innocent bystanders getting shot? I don't believe it.


Yea there is always a hercules team hanging out around the ESB. Basically cops in full military gear with heavy weapons. Pretty dumb place to pull out a gun if you don't have a deathwish, and an assload of people always hanging around to get caught in any kind of crossfire.
 
2012-08-24 10:24:19 AM  

LineNoise: most of the injuries being people caught in the gunfight with cops.


No, that can't be right, because an armed person responding to a crazed gunman will calmly and efficiently subdue the killer with one well-placed head shot, at least according to last month's issue of Internet Hero Fantasy Jerkoff Magazine.
 
2012-08-24 10:24:30 AM  

carrion_luggage: FTFA:

"The shooter, distraught over his inability to obtain his morning coffee in a 20-ounce cup and frustrated in his efforts to locate baby formula for his wife..."


Oh, well, then. Carry on, shooter. Completely justified.

/I wore the wrong shoes today. Aren't you glad I don't have weaponry?
 
2012-08-24 10:24:36 AM  
The gothamist is posting some graphic photos Link
 
2012-08-24 10:24:39 AM  
There are eight million stories in the naked city.

This is just one of them.


/sad
//will be repeated ad nauseum
 
2012-08-24 10:24:45 AM  

Aarontology: Gunny Highway: I lived in NYC for a long time. There were reports of shootings all the time but never "mass shootings"

Lots of stabbings.

Maybe not New York, but places like Philly, New Orleans, etc.


That is why it is news.
 
2012-08-24 10:24:48 AM  
Until recently, I almost never carried off duty as my Glock 26 is bulky and uncomfortable but I've changed my mind on that. I carry ALWAYS now. This shiat can happen anytime, anywhere.

And I'm not NRA gun-nut. Quite the opposite, actually.
 
2012-08-24 10:24:55 AM  

Blueintheballs: You need more guns when you have a problem with guns.


Guns have been around for over 100 years. This mass shooting thing seems pretty recent.

Maybe we should start looking into what's causing these crackpots to WANT to kill lots of people, rather than blaming the tool they do it with.
 
gja
2012-08-24 10:25:31 AM  
For the record, NYC has some of the MOST restrictive guns laws ANYWHERE.

"The more you squeeze, the more sand trickles through your fingers"
 
2012-08-24 10:25:39 AM  
And so the entropy begins to pick up speed...
 
2012-08-24 10:25:44 AM  
Thanks to all the Farkers who emailed me and asked if I was okay.

/I'm on the 78th floor and not shot
 
2012-08-24 10:25:52 AM  
It must be the heat.

I blame Global Warming.
 
2012-08-24 10:26:01 AM  

LineNoise: Also more people have been shot in chicago since last night than what just happened.


False equivalency is false.

More people died in the Holocaust than died of AIDS last year. Guess AIDS isn't a problem! Herp derpy derp derp!
 
2012-08-24 10:26:04 AM  
The New York Post said a total of 10 people were shot and
that one of the two fatalities was a woman described as an
innocent bystander who died of her wounds.

CNN quoted witnesses as saying the incident apparently
started when a man chased another man and pulled out a weapon,
described as looking like a sawed-off shotgun, and opened fire.
An elevator operator inside the Empire State Building then ran
out and pursued the gunman while calling for help, CNN said.
Police quickly joined the chase and shot the gunman three
times, CNN reported, quoting witnesses.
 
2012-08-24 10:26:07 AM  

crab66: If everyone in NYC were heavily armed this would have never happened.


Yeah, that's why there are never mass shootings in Harlem.
 
2012-08-24 10:26:15 AM  
What the hell has happened to our society?
 
2012-08-24 10:26:18 AM  

Galloping Galoshes: Sure glad NYC has those strong gun-control laws.


if we are going to play speculation time, I'd put some cash on most of the innocent people who got injured being hit by the cops. If anything, something like this shows why it is a bad idea to have even more guns on the street in NYC.

/not anti-gun, or anti-cop, I just don't see the need for concealed carry in NYC, and think we are better without it.
 
2012-08-24 10:26:24 AM  

LineNoise: Also more people have been shot in chicago since last night than what just happened.


THIS. It's that whole East Coast bias, which is why us White Sox fans always get pissed at the Eastern Seaboard Programming Network.

/South Sider
//19 people shot, mostly gangbangers taking out other bangers
///Go Sox!
 
2012-08-24 10:26:27 AM  
Since New York has some of the most draconian gun laws in the country, shouldn't have this been impossible?
 
2012-08-24 10:26:28 AM  

El Morro: Someone needs to post that "Tom Tomorrow" cartoon, where the penguin concedes how the NRA has won and we just need to come to grips with the fact that we're going to have mass shootings every so often.

/hoping for the best for my fellow New Yorkers


This right here.

Like the cartoon says I'll fully admit that gun fans have won and they can have all the weapons they want. But at least let us biatch a little when someone goes on a shooting spree.
 
2012-08-24 10:26:30 AM  
Shirley more gun laws would curtail this type of behavior, no?
 
2012-08-24 10:26:31 AM  

vegasj: shooting?

In NY?

I thought they had strict gun laws?


We do, and they work great. Are you one of those retards that think the laws were written with the idea that they would magically make guns disappear?
 
2012-08-24 10:26:33 AM  

Galloping Galoshes: Sure glad NYC has those strong gun-control laws.


obviously, they are not strong enough.
 
2012-08-24 10:26:35 AM  

Telos: Maybe we should start looking into what's causing these crackpots to WANT to kill lots of people, rather than blaming the tool they do it with.


NYPost and ABCNews say it was a workplace dispute.

Let's ban working!
 
2012-08-24 10:26:45 AM  
Since this broke, between here and other convos I've had, there's been a lot of "huuurrrrr gun laws".

Now:

a) your shiatty for going to that as your initial reaction

b) if the President goes to that and uses this persons ability to have a gun as evidence that there's a problem that needs to be addressed from a gun control standpoint, you'll be the first assholes to cry about it being politicized.
 
2012-08-24 10:26:54 AM  

Aarontology: Mass casualty shootings happen every day in the inner cities

It's just that people only pay attention to or care about the ones that involve white people or middle class or higher people.


While the race-baiting angle is interesting, it likely has more to do with the fact that the majority of the inner city shootings are between gang members / drug dealers etc. You know, people in the profession of getting shot. Random tourists walking down the sidewalk and getting shot in the back of the head is somewhat more shocking, regardless of race.
 
2012-08-24 10:26:58 AM  

darch: Until recently, I almost never carried off duty as my Glock 26 is bulky and uncomfortable but I've changed my mind on that. I carry ALWAYS now. This shiat can happen anytime, anywhere.

And I'm not NRA gun-nut. Quite the opposite, actually.


Well, considering that all the news reports are beginning to show that this was a dispute between two co-workers that spilled out into the street, followed by one of the co-workers pulling out a gun and starting to shoot at the other guy (and in the process hitting innocent bystanders), I'm more worried about people like you who would have a gun in the first place.
 
2012-08-24 10:27:14 AM  
Not what I was hoping to find when I checked out the main page.

I hope that someday people will learn that when problems arise, "shoot random people", is never ever the right answer.

Any real word about the motivation behind this one?
 
2012-08-24 10:27:16 AM  
Romney campaign press secretary, Andrea Saul, asserted in an interview on Fox News that the massacre could not have happened in Massachusetts, thanks to the tough gun control laws passed by Gov. Romney.
 
2012-08-24 10:27:22 AM  
10 shot in NY! OMG! 19 shot overnight in Chicago, Meh.
 
2012-08-24 10:27:28 AM  
Mass casualty??? My calculator can't even figure out what percent of the US Population that is.
 
2012-08-24 10:27:51 AM  
Sigh.... December 21st can't come soon enough.
 
2012-08-24 10:27:55 AM  

ltdanman44: pinktaco4lunch: So one dead is a mass causality?

4 confirmed


There are not 4 deaths.
 
2012-08-24 10:27:56 AM  

Stoj: Two guys in a car shot 8 people in Chicago last night. 6 of the 8 were teenagers.


Step it up, New York.


Yeah, but THAT IS NOT REAL NEWS!!!11!!!!!1!1!
 
2012-08-24 10:27:58 AM  
That's some tip-top proof-reading there, CNN.

At 10 shot at Empire State Building, authorities say

"least" is the word you're looking for - which you should know a lot about, since it exists everywhere in your quality and effort division.
 
2012-08-24 10:28:06 AM  

Stoj: Two guys in a car shot 8 people in Chicago last night. 6 of the 8 were teenagers.


Step it up, New York.


Yes, that was all over the national MSM all night. Couldn't get any other news... Oh wait, no it wasn't. First I'm hearing of it, actually.

If somebody had shot 6 kids in Queens, nobody would care.
 
2012-08-24 10:28:30 AM  

Mrs.Sharpier: Thanks to all the Farkers who emailed me and asked if I was okay.

/I'm on the 78th floor and not shot


Woohoo
 
2012-08-24 10:28:38 AM  

Telos: Blueintheballs: You need more guns when you have a problem with guns.

Guns have been around for over 100 years. This mass shooting thing seems pretty recent.

Maybe we should start looking into what's causing these crackpots to WANT to kill lots of people, rather than blaming the tool they do it with.


What the hell do you want us to do? Make murder illegal? Fat chance, commie!
 
2012-08-24 10:28:43 AM  
HURR DURR MY POLITICAL VIEWS ARE RELEVANT TO THIS EVENT!!!
 
2012-08-24 10:28:48 AM  

SandMann: It must be the heat.

I blame Global Warming.


its nice here and I haven't even had my AC on all wee.....OH i see what you did there. Yeah and if there were more 'bortions this criminal wouldn't have been born.
 
2012-08-24 10:28:59 AM  

Aarontology: Mass casualty shootings happen every day in the inner cities

It's just that people only pay attention to or care about the ones that involve white people or middle class or higher people.


No they don't.
 
2012-08-24 10:29:05 AM  
For Fark's sake, 2012. I know it's the year of the dragon and we've been burning through mass shootings like I've never seen before. But, c'mon. Enough already.

Is it something in the drinking water? Is it is the moon? Are the Mayans right? Fark it, what is it with these insane shooters. It's weird.
 
2012-08-24 10:29:09 AM  
I'm so sorry, I laughed when I saw the headline in my inbox.
 
2012-08-24 10:29:13 AM  
Is it September 11 season already? I haven't even taken down my July 29, 1999: Former day trader Mark Barton, 44, killed nine people in shootings at two Atlanta, Georgia, brokerage offices, then committed suicide decorations yet!


/I'd like a window seat, please
 
2012-08-24 10:29:15 AM  

Telos: Blueintheballs: You need more guns when you have a problem with guns.

Guns have been around for over 100 years. This mass shooting thing seems pretty recent.

Maybe we should start looking into what's causing these crackpots to WANT to kill lots of people, rather than blaming the tool they do it with.


Sounds like he didn't want to kill lots of people, he's just a really bad shot.
 
2012-08-24 10:29:18 AM  
Hope you're happy, Wayne LaPierre.
 
2012-08-24 10:29:19 AM  
This thread sucks.
 
2012-08-24 10:29:22 AM  

imtheonlylp: Shirley more gun laws would curtail this type of behavior, no?


I agree, we need stricter gun laws.
 
2012-08-24 10:29:39 AM  
Too bad it wasn't a gun free zone.
 
2012-08-24 10:29:41 AM  

Stoj: Two guys in a car shot 8 people in Chicago last night. 6 of the 8 were teenagers.


Step it up, New York.


shhhh, we don't want to talk about those shootings.

We only want to disarm white Americans who are law abiding.

 
2012-08-24 10:29:45 AM  
 
2012-08-24 10:29:45 AM  

ltdanman44: pinktaco4lunch: So one dead is a mass causality?

4 confirmed


Guess I should turn on the news and quit reading news on the internet
 
2012-08-24 10:29:55 AM  
Not seeing anything about subways being down, anyone know offhand?
 
2012-08-24 10:29:58 AM  

mekki: For Fark's sake, 2012. I know it's the year of the dragon and we've been burning through mass shootings like I've never seen before. But, c'mon. Enough already.

Is it something in the drinking water? Is it is the moon? Are the Mayans right? Fark it, what is it with these insane shooters. It's weird.


This wasn't a mass shooting like the other ones. This was one asshole with a sawed-off shotgun who tried to kill a co-worker and in the process shot up the street and killed an innocent bystander.
 
2012-08-24 10:29:58 AM  
Has anyone heard from Omarion yet? Is he alright?
 
2012-08-24 10:29:59 AM  

darch: Until recently, I almost never carried off duty as my Glock 26 is bulky and uncomfortable but I've changed my mind on that. I carry ALWAYS now. This shiat can happen anytime, anywhere.

And I'm not NRA gun-nut. Quite the opposite, actually.


Is glock short for glockenspeil? Because those are pretty bulky and uncomfortable to carry around.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:01 AM  
I assume this is why the two helicopters are hovering down in that direction (I'm looking out my window on 53rd and 3rd). Although I'm not sure what they're contributing at this point.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:10 AM  
How are some of the toughest gun control laws in the country working out for you NYC?

Meanwhile, I just got a CHL and am considering buying a Glock.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:16 AM  
Had to have been a cop. Only cops are allowed to have guns in NYC.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:17 AM  
0.0000012837303478575151% of US Population = MASS CASUALTY!!!!!
 
2012-08-24 10:30:20 AM  
Good news, everyone. The Hipster Cop is on the scene:
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He'll take care of everything.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:23 AM  
Well, considering that all the news reports are beginning to show that this was a dispute between two co-workers that spilled out into the street, followed by one of the co-workers pulling out a gun and starting to shoot at the other guy (and in the process hitting innocent bystanders), I'm more worried about people like you who would have a gun in the first place.

I'm a cop genius. I am required to carry on and off-duty.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:36 AM  

imontheinternet: Romney campaign press secretary, Andrea Saul, asserted in an interview on Fox News that the massacre could not have happened in Massachusetts, thanks to the tough gun control laws passed by Gov. Romney.


You're on the internet, and you're interneting quite well, sir.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:37 AM  

devilEther: imtheonlylp: If we all had guns, there would've only been ONE civilian shot.

No, you're wrong. even more people would have been shot.


Well, it is hard to say - less could have been shot, or more. It depends on who sees what, when, and how accurate everyone involved is, but you could easily see events like this expanding to have hundreds shot and a mass riot breaking out if things go badly wrong and enough people are armed. It only takes a few people seeing someone being shot, and shooting back themselves not realising who they are shooting at was taking down the original shooter that they didn't see, and things deteriorate from there.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:39 AM  
Initial reports indicate that a Empire State Worker became upset when his coworker, who worked behind the counter at the snack shop, refused to sell him an illegal 32oz soda.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:40 AM  

Mike_LowELL: This thread sucks.


If you're looking to build your ignore list, it's tremendous.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:41 AM  

LarryDan43: 10 shot in NY! OMG! 19 shot overnight in Chicago, Meh.


Yeah, but they shot themselves after eating shiatty pizza
 
2012-08-24 10:30:41 AM  
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Oooh! Guns, guns, guns...
 
2012-08-24 10:30:42 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: Telos: Blueintheballs: You need more guns when you have a problem with guns.

Guns have been around for over 100 years. This mass shooting thing seems pretty recent.

Maybe we should start looking into what's causing these crackpots to WANT to kill lots of people, rather than blaming the tool they do it with.

What the hell do you want us to do? Make murder illegal? Fat chance, commie!


Probably a lay off. Companies have quit being loyal to their employees, people getting retribution for what could be the end of their lifestyle should be expected.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:44 AM  

Wyldfire: Were they so excited they forgot to add "least" to the headline?


Well, they do have to beat out the other news feeds by 1.4 seconds because it's important to .. them.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:48 AM  

El Hodor: pinktaco4lunch: So one dead is a mass causality?

I think someone being killed or injured counts as a casualty. So it really depends if you consider 10 to be a mass casualty.


Definition: "a person who is injured or killed in an accident"

Yeah, this is a point of contention with me and I agree with the original poster. Here in Indy, the fire department was called to a "mass casualty event". Eventually, we learn that some kids were coughing and sick from a pool chemical mix up at a public pool. Freighting and scary for them. Grammatically, sure - correct. But "mass casualty" is a pretty frightening term to most folks.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:49 AM  

devilEther: Galloping Galoshes: Sure glad NYC has those strong gun-control laws.

obviously, they are not strong enough.


Body searches at the bridges.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:57 AM  

BunkoSquad: LineNoise: most of the injuries being people caught in the gunfight with cops.

No, that can't be right, because an armed person responding to a crazed gunman will calmly and efficiently subdue the killer with one well-placed head shot, at least according to last month's issue of Internet Hero Fantasy Jerkoff Magazine.


You'll have to wait for the ballistics report on how many of the rounds hitting civilians were actually fired by cops. I look forward the final report.
 
2012-08-24 10:31:02 AM  
I think we can all agree that shooting random, innocent people is rude. Just say "excuse me" next time a group of people are in your way.
 
2012-08-24 10:31:03 AM  

Stoj: Two guys in a car shot 8 people in Chicago last night. 6 of the 8 were teenagers.


Also farkin' lame...

Stoj: Step it up, New York.


No... that is an incorrect response.
 
2012-08-24 10:31:07 AM  
They aren't even trying to tie this to Muslim terrorists.
 
2012-08-24 10:31:07 AM  

Titts_McGhee: My husband works at 34th and Park. He and most of his employees walk that way to work every day. Thankfully he's in CA today.


At least that's his story.
 
2012-08-24 10:31:14 AM  

Carth: LineNoise: Local reports are saying it wasn't AT the ESB, just across the street, and appears to have been a targeted hit type thing, and most of the injuries being people caught in the gunfight with cops.

You mean a firefight with an armed gunman can result in innocent bystanders getting shot? I don't believe it.


Clearly the result of poor gun control.
 
2012-08-24 10:31:29 AM  
4 shot, but not killed. Shooter dead. Aren't more people shot on a day-to-day basis in NYC? Or is this just an issue because it was rich white people?
 
2012-08-24 10:31:34 AM  

James72: NYPost and ABCNews say it was a workplace dispute.


This was probably the day they replaced the vending machine candy with healthy snacks.

AN APPLE OR A GRANOLA BAR FOR A SNACK?! F*CK THIS NOISE! WHERE'S MY GUN?
 
2012-08-24 10:31:40 AM  
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What happened to the 10 million dollar surveillance system they had in place there?
 
2012-08-24 10:31:45 AM  

namegoeshere: Stoj: Two guys in a car shot 8 people in Chicago last night. 6 of the 8 were teenagers.


Step it up, New York.

Yes, that was all over the national MSM all night. Couldn't get any other news... Oh wait, no it wasn't. First I'm hearing of it, actually.

If somebody had shot 6 kids in Queens, nobody would care.


On a local sports radio station there has been a tongue in cheek tally of white sox runs vs people shot every weekend.
 
2012-08-24 10:31:46 AM  
Is that a dead dog in that gothamist pic?
 
2012-08-24 10:31:48 AM  

vegasj: Stoj: Two guys in a car shot 8 people in Chicago last night. 6 of the 8 were teenagers.


Step it up, New York.

shhhh, we don't want to talk about those shootings.

We only want to disarm white Americans who are law abiding.


Like James Holmes? He was a model American until he decided to stop being a model American. Maybe today is your day.
 
2012-08-24 10:31:48 AM  
Shooters empire state of mind is all over the sidewalk.
 
2012-08-24 10:32:07 AM  

JerseyTim: Good news, everyone. The Hipster Cop is on the scene:
[gothamist.com image 640x478]
He'll take care of everything.


He probably has the best info, seeing as he was there before the shooting made the news.
 
2012-08-24 10:32:15 AM  
Was the gunman a liberal or conservative? My sense of outrage is hanging in the balance
 
2012-08-24 10:32:30 AM  
These people don't care about penalties. These people have thrown in the towel and everything else. If you don't confront causes, the effects will finally confront you. You turn a corner and walk right into yourself. You will wonder how you ever thought it didn't involve you, if you survive.
 
2012-08-24 10:32:30 AM  
This is certainly going to be a big thread.

If it was a wave, I would surf on it.
 
2012-08-24 10:32:36 AM  
The gunman was shot and killed by police, the New York Police Department reported.

Good Cop! Double his donut allotment for the year, give him a medal and pay for his ammunition.
 
2012-08-24 10:32:41 AM  
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Mass Lass?
 
2012-08-24 10:32:55 AM  
10 people were shot but let's talk about how I am oppressed by gun laws
 
2012-08-24 10:33:19 AM  

Warlordtrooper: What was their political beliefs. This is important


Obviously a Liberal. Only Liberals are violent. ONLY Liberals.
 
2012-08-24 10:33:22 AM  

Lost Thought 00: 4 shot, but not killed. Shooter dead. Aren't more people shot on a day-to-day basis in NYC? Or is this just an issue because it was rich white people?


It's the borrough and that it's a "mass" shooting.

There was a mass shooting in Brooklyn recently that was major news in NYC and NYS, but it happened at night so the newsbreaks weren't read by everyone who's supposed to be at work.
 
2012-08-24 10:33:23 AM  
I thought we had this guy who acted in a movie about Jesus who gets SSN numbers from some magical machine protecting us?

Damn it Finch HE NEEDS YOU BACK. Where the hell are you?
 
2012-08-24 10:33:31 AM  

The Muthaship: Can we fly in a podunk sheriff to determine whether this is domestic terrorism?


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Yep. Looks like terrorism to me.
 
2012-08-24 10:33:32 AM  

darch: Well, considering that all the news reports are beginning to show that this was a dispute between two co-workers that spilled out into the street, followed by one of the co-workers pulling out a gun and starting to shoot at the other guy (and in the process hitting innocent bystanders), I'm more worried about people like you who would have a gun in the first place.

I'm a cop genius. I am required to carry on and off-duty.


So what you were saying in your Boobies is that you had been intentionally disregarding department policy by not carrying off-duty before?
 
2012-08-24 10:33:33 AM  

imtheonlylp: Shirley more gun laws would curtail this type of behavior, no?


No, they won't. And don't call me Shirley.
 
2012-08-24 10:33:44 AM  

Godscrack: [static.ddmcdn.com image 400x323]

What happened to the 10 million dollar surveillance system they had in place there?


Were you under the impression that it magically stops crime?
 
2012-08-24 10:33:44 AM  

Godscrack: [static.ddmcdn.com image 400x323]

What happened to the 10 million dollar surveillance system they had in place there?


It....watched the shooting? What else was it supposed to do?
 
2012-08-24 10:33:46 AM  

hdhale: You'll have to wait for the ballistics report on how many of the rounds hitting civilians were actually fired by cops. I look forward the final report.


I don't think we will ever see that report.
 
2012-08-24 10:33:53 AM  

LarryDan43: namegoeshere: Stoj: Two guys in a car shot 8 people in Chicago last night. 6 of the 8 were teenagers.


Step it up, New York.

Yes, that was all over the national MSM all night. Couldn't get any other news... Oh wait, no it wasn't. First I'm hearing of it, actually.

If somebody had shot 6 kids in Queens, nobody would care.

On a local sports radio station there has been a tongue in cheek tally of white sox runs vs people shot every weekend.


It is very wrong that I love this...
 
2012-08-24 10:33:54 AM  
How are all those anti-murder laws working out for you NYC?
 
2012-08-24 10:33:55 AM  

browntimmy: Walker: How are those strict gun laws working out for you Bloomberg? At least he couldn't throw a large soda on them.

I don't think you get that not everyone wants to carry a gun on them at all times, for the same reason no one wants to wear a helmet at all times.


My mother makes me wear a helmet at all times.
 
2012-08-24 10:34:10 AM  

hdhale: BunkoSquad: LineNoise: most of the injuries being people caught in the gunfight with cops.

No, that can't be right, because an armed person responding to a crazed gunman will calmly and efficiently subdue the killer with one well-placed head shot, at least according to last month's issue of Internet Hero Fantasy Jerkoff Magazine.

You'll have to wait for the ballistics report on how many of the rounds hitting civilians were actually fired by cops. I look forward the final report.


Actually latest reports is he walked into a business across the street that supposedly owed him monday. Shot the manager, a few other people there, and then got into a gunfight with the cops on his way out the door.

Anyway, those arguing that gun control laws contributed to this in either direction are idiots. There were probably thousands of people on that street when he came out the door. If even a few of them started shooting in return, you would have had a lot more people hit.
 
2012-08-24 10:34:19 AM  

Richard Flaccid: OMG A woman mass shooter!


Masso: I was about 50 feet away from the guy who was killed, and it was definitely a targeted shooting. Apparently he walked right up to the guy and shot him in the head.


Anyone have a source for the "woman mass shooter" claim?
 
2012-08-24 10:34:22 AM  
Bloomberg, what's your plan?
 
2012-08-24 10:34:35 AM  

sweetmelissa31: 10 people were shot but let's talk about how I am oppressed by gun laws


This is a good point.

Please tell us, CNN. Was the gun obtained legally? This is the key.
 
2012-08-24 10:34:53 AM  

SableTigre: What the hell is wrong with people?? We can barely go a week without some horrific shooting spree somewhere. WTF??


Hey, don't leap to conclusions. We don't yet know if this is horrific.
 
2012-08-24 10:35:07 AM  
How many more shootings do we have to have in this country before people finally accept that we must have more guns?

/ this is what gun nuts actually believe
 
2012-08-24 10:35:13 AM  
Also, if we can all take a moment and say a quick prayer for the 2 people who drew the short straw and are going to cornell medical center, they can probably use our thoughts.
 
2012-08-24 10:35:17 AM  

stevetherobot: The Muthaship: Can we fly in a podunk sheriff to determine whether this is domestic terrorism?

[epguides.com image 320x340]

Yep. Looks like terrorism to me.


I voted for it, sheriff.
 
2012-08-24 10:35:29 AM  

Silly Jesus: He's going to be white, isn't he?


Well over 70% of society is classified as "white" Latino's included in there so statistically yes he will be.
 
2012-08-24 10:35:30 AM  
Crazy!
 
2012-08-24 10:35:38 AM  
Whar are all the concealed carriers that could've stopped this? WHAR!?

/they're at home, commenting on the story
 
2012-08-24 10:35:54 AM  

Rincewind53: darch: Well, considering that all the news reports are beginning to show that this was a dispute between two co-workers that spilled out into the street, followed by one of the co-workers pulling out a gun and starting to shoot at the other guy (and in the process hitting innocent bystanders), I'm more worried about people like you who would have a gun in the first place.

I'm a cop genius. I am required to carry on and off-duty.

So what you were saying in your Boobies is that you had been intentionally disregarding department policy by not carrying off-duty before?


It's not nice to assume he has boobies or any other kind of weight issue, especially one capable of talking.
 
2012-08-24 10:36:02 AM  
WNBC: Gunman was fired from his job yesterday

- The Cycle (@thecyclemsnbc) August 24, 2012



This is why you fire people on Fridays. That's just some bad management.
 
2012-08-24 10:36:08 AM  
So what you were saying in your Boobies is that you had been intentionally disregarding department policy by not carrying off-duty before?

There are stipulations to that regulation where if it is impossible to properly conceal the weapon or if you know you will be drinking alcohol, you are not required to. That kinda thing.
 
2012-08-24 10:36:10 AM  

LineNoise: Anyway, those arguing that gun control laws contributed to this in either direction are idiots. There were probably thousands of people on that street when he came out the door. If even a few of them started shooting in return, you would have had a lot more people hit.


WHOA BUDDY

I've been assured that can never happen. That's not how bullets work or something.
 
2012-08-24 10:36:31 AM  

imontheinternet: [thismodernworld.com image 720x672]


The entire debate about gun control is if gun control laws are effective at stopping crime. This cartoon basically says "Well if you just assume I'm right that gun control curbs gun crime, then I'm right." It is a dumb cartoon and you're dumb for thinking it's a scathing criticism of gun rights advocates.

probesport: Too bad it wasn't a gun free zone.


Stop embarrassing gun rights advocates. When someone gets shot where there is a law you don't like don't dance around like a ghoulish child. There have been plenty of shootings where there are free and open gun laws. There is little justification for the "more guns means more safety" side as well. You're just being more of a dick about it.
 
2012-08-24 10:36:34 AM  
Not Chicago? Not a shooting against conservatives?

INSTA GREENLIT
 
2012-08-24 10:36:50 AM  
crazy over here right now.
i work across the street.
cops and tourist everywhere
 
2012-08-24 10:36:51 AM  
AP News is reporting that the shooting stemmed from a workplace dispute.

Well, at least they took it outside...
 
2012-08-24 10:36:57 AM  

darch: Until recently, I almost never carried off duty as my Glock 26 is bulky and uncomfortable but I've changed my mind on that. I carry ALWAYS now. This shiat can happen anytime, anywhere.


But if it does, you're going to join in?

Ever notice how not one of these stores ends with, "one of the other citizens pulled their gun and killed the assailant, saving everyone"? Yeah... me either.
 
2012-08-24 10:36:57 AM  

I Said: Richard Flaccid: OMG A woman mass shooter!

Palin DEMOLISHED the glass ceiling


Oh please! Palin wouldn't do a mass shooting. Get over yourself. She would shoot one person and then quit.
 
2012-08-24 10:36:58 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: How many more shootings do we have to have in this country before people finally accept that we must have more guns?

/ this is what gun nuts actually believe


Gun nuts may believe that, but I'd rather talk about the fact that gun laws don't work at preventing gun-related crime (or crime in general).
 
2012-08-24 10:37:07 AM  

Lost Thought 00: 4 shot, but not killed. Shooter dead. Aren't more people shot on a day-to-day basis in NYC? Or is this just an issue because it was rich white people?


Its not the 'white people' thing, its the 'shooting indiscriminately into a crowd of strangers' thing that makes this different.

Gang shootings, murders, etc, result in deaths, and sometimes collateral damage, but targeting strangers randomly makes this a news story.
 
2012-08-24 10:37:15 AM  
Obviously NYC needs to install checkpoints at all entrances to the city, to make sure people don't bring unregistered guns into the City Limits
 
2012-08-24 10:37:15 AM  

LawrencePerson: How are some of the toughest gun control laws in the country working out for you NYC?

Meanwhile, I just got a CHL and am considering buying a Glock.


How does this work? You know you're like the 200th poster in a thread, why are you still making lazy generic comments and thinking you're bold and original for saying it?
 
2012-08-24 10:37:17 AM  
I must've missed a couple of memes someplace.
 
2012-08-24 10:37:19 AM  
Let's just get it out of the way now ...

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2012-08-24 10:37:26 AM  

JerseyTim: Good news, everyone. The Hipster Cop is on the scene:
[gothamist.com image 640x478]
He'll take care of everything.


Wow, that actually IS the same Hipster Cop as from Occupy.

That man makes 45 look like late 20s.
 
2012-08-24 10:37:30 AM  

JerseyTim: WNBC: Gunman was fired from his job yesterday- The Cycle (@thecyclemsnbc) August 24, 2012


This is why you fire people on Fridays. That's just some bad management.


He wasn't economically viable?
 
2012-08-24 10:37:33 AM  

darch: So what you were saying in your Boobies is that you had been intentionally disregarding department policy by not carrying off-duty before?

There are stipulations to that regulation where if it is impossible to properly conceal the weapon or if you know you will be drinking alcohol, you are not required to. That kinda thing.


So now you carry when you're drinking? You don't sound very responsible.
 
2012-08-24 10:37:54 AM  
;)

I Said: LarryDan43: 10 shot in NY! OMG! 19 shot overnight in Chicago, Meh.

Yeah, but they shot themselves after eating shiatty pizza


Or after they realized "oh shiat, I live in Chicago!"
 
2012-08-24 10:38:02 AM  
That was a bad newsflash to have a Dalek alert.
 
2012-08-24 10:38:04 AM  

JerseyTim: This is why you fire people on Fridays. That's just some bad management.


I hate to admit it, but that's one of the first things I thought of as well.
 
2012-08-24 10:38:08 AM  

Lost Thought 00: rich white people


Yes because all of us rich white people walk to work to our daily grind.
 
2012-08-24 10:38:15 AM  
Goddamn it, crazy people. Stop making it so easy to ban guns.

There are a lot of things I hate about living in the south, but at least this will be the last place to stand up for the right to bear arms.
 
2012-08-24 10:38:31 AM  
Well if this person shot bankers, then they should get a f*cking medal
 
2012-08-24 10:38:42 AM  
NYC or not, it's always news when the wrong person gets shot.
 
2012-08-24 10:38:43 AM  
I say we use this opportunity, pick a city with a bad gun crime rate, and simply arm the bejeezus out of everyone legally. Everyone gets a carry permit *and* free gun training. Keep tabs and see what that does. The training is mandatory though to get the permit. The scariest thing in the world is a human with a firearm who hasn't a clue how to use it safely.
 
2012-08-24 10:38:44 AM  

Godscrack: What happened to the 10 million dollar surveillance system they had in place there?


I'm sure they have video of it. Surveillance systems are for "watching" or "recording" events... not stopping them from occurring.
 
2012-08-24 10:38:49 AM  

JohnnyC: darch: Until recently, I almost never carried off duty as my Glock 26 is bulky and uncomfortable but I've changed my mind on that. I carry ALWAYS now. This shiat can happen anytime, anywhere.

But if it does, you're going to join in?

Ever notice how not one of these stores ends with, "one of the other citizens pulled their gun and killed the assailant, saving everyone"? Yeah... me either.


He would have been cut down by the police before he even got it drawn.
 
2012-08-24 10:38:51 AM  
My boyfriend has a couple friends who work near the Empire State Building, so he was frantically calling them, trying to find out if they were okay. Thankfully they were.

Brooklyn has turned into Tombstone ca. 1876, Chicago is starting to take that crown from them.....can we PLEASE have discussion about reasonable gun control in this farking country?
 
2012-08-24 10:38:53 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: How many more shootings do we have to have in this country before people finally accept that we must have more guns?

/This is what anti-gun idiots believe that this is what gun nuts actually believe


FIFY
 
2012-08-24 10:38:55 AM  

CAADbury: NeoBad: Suddenly have two thoughts. One is that the 1300 price tag of that small Kimber 45 ACP may not be so bad. Two is to go stock up on Ammo for my 9 mm.

UGH, please not a 1911 variant. 8+1 is a pretty paltry capacity nowadays.

Though, I suppose, once you're out of ammo, you can always throw the super carry pro at the bad guys. makes a pretty good blunt force instrument.


not to turn into a gun nut thread - but what is a 1911 variant?

i have just a "normal" springfield 1911.

/& hell ya, it makes a nice hammer or brick if there are no bullets.
 
2012-08-24 10:38:59 AM  

R.A.Danny: What the hell has happened to our society?


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2012-08-24 10:39:11 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Obviously NYC needs to install checkpoints at all entrances to the city, to make sure people don't bring unregistered guns into the City Limits


We have checkpoints. Like down in Wall Street. Where they accidently smooshed some dude into a wall who was walking down the street and killed him yesterday.
 
2012-08-24 10:39:14 AM  

odinsposse: probesport: Too bad it wasn't a gun free zone.

Stop embarrassing gun rights advocates. When someone gets shot where there is a law you don't like don't dance around like a ghoulish child. There have been plenty of shootings where there are free and open gun laws. There is little justification for the "more guns means more safety" side as well. You're just being more of a dick about it.


Communist sympathizer.
 
2012-08-24 10:39:18 AM  

Telos: Guns have been around for over 100 years. This mass shooting thing seems pretty recent.Maybe we should start looking into what's causing these crackpots to WANT to kill lots of people, rather than blaming the tool they do it with.


A greater number of people living in close proximity will tend to make it happen more often. More absolute population would automatically make it happen more often. Greater spread of news coverage will mean smaller incidents will be reported further afield (a few decades ago you wouldn't hear of shootings across the country unless they were exceptionally notorious). Greater news coverage will make certain types of such crime (where the criminal wants notoriety) more likely. Also plenty of these events happened in the past, you just haven't read about them, as only a few really notorious and well known ones will continue to be discussed decades later.

Generally in most modern democracies crime has dropped, certainly in terms of rate, and often in terms of absolute numbers over the last 30 years or so - but usually the perception of crime has increased markedly during that time despite this - probably due to things like 24 hour news coverage, the internet and so on - previously you would only pick up on a few of crime stories per day, because that is all a short news program on TV would be able to fit in - the less important ones would only be picked up on local newspapers or whatever that a lot fewer people read, and of course you would then still only get the crime in your locality, and 99% of the crime that you might find out about now would have been completely invisible to you a decade or two ago.
 
2012-08-24 10:39:20 AM  
I wonder if any of the cops said "It was beauty killed the beast" as he stood over the gunman's body.
 
2012-08-24 10:39:30 AM  
Honestly I'm more interested in how many shots were fired to hit 10 people and how many times did the dude reload.
 
2012-08-24 10:39:43 AM  
I just got calls from both my mom and my girlfriend asking me if I was at work. At first I was like, yeah, why wouldn't I be?

This is probably why my train got stopped. I take the E to Lex and 53rd and we got stuck at 7th and 53rd for so long that I got off and walked the rest of the way to work. The Empire State Building is 20 blocks away so it's not like that's very close, but I bet that was it.
 
2012-08-24 10:39:56 AM  

Coco LaFemme: can we PLEASE have discussion about reasonable gun control in this farking country?


Sure, I'll start: New York City has an outright ban on guns. Did that prevent this from happening? Are those gun control policies reasonable?
 
2012-08-24 10:40:03 AM  

Walker: How are those strict gun laws working out for you Bloomberg? At least he couldn't throw a large soda on them.


Not too bad.

But hey, now you have an anecdote on your side of the debate!
 
2012-08-24 10:40:10 AM  

CAADbury: Gun nuts may believe that, but I'd rather talk about the fact that gun laws don't work at preventing gun-related crime (or crime in general).


True. I won't set foot in Europe. Can't get off the plane without someone shooting you dead.

Er... wait... no... I mean exactly the opposite of what I said there. Sorry, sometimes I forget that I'm not a completely shameless liar like you.
 
2012-08-24 10:40:14 AM  
I'm sure it's all just a big misunderstanding. Relax people.
 
2012-08-24 10:40:16 AM  
How're we gonna wake up Jeff?
How're we gonna wake up Jeff?
How're we gonna wake up Jeff?
How're we gonna wake up Jeff?
 
2012-08-24 10:40:34 AM  

bighairyguy: They aren't even trying to tie this to Muslim terrorists.


Is it bad that the first thing I thought of was "Please don't let the shooter be muslim."
 
2012-08-24 10:40:41 AM  
Two people were killed and at least eight were wounded in a shooting outside the landmark Empire State Building in New York City on Friday, according to a police source.

So... shooter and the guy he shot in the head, I imagine.

Hope no one else dies.

Farking hate people these past few years.
 
2012-08-24 10:40:43 AM  

LineNoise: Lost Thought 00: Obviously NYC needs to install checkpoints at all entrances to the city, to make sure people don't bring unregistered guns into the City Limits

We have checkpoints. Like down in Wall Street. Where they accidently smooshed some dude into a wall who was walking down the street and killed him yesterday.


Link? I missed that story.
 
2012-08-24 10:40:53 AM  
Is there anything New Yorkers and Chicagoans won't argue about? It's tiresome enough listening to you guys whine about pizza (they are both good), but who had more people shot in the last 24 hours? Really?
 
2012-08-24 10:40:55 AM  
Probably someone protesting Ron Paul not being allowed to speak at the convention.
 
2012-08-24 10:41:00 AM  
I refuse to beleive the casualties are this low, everyone knows that cross fire from someone shooting the shooter causes more casualties than the shooter, there has to be at least eleventy billion casualties because of the crossfire with police, damned conservative media
 
2012-08-24 10:41:05 AM  
When I was a kid there was a rash of carjackings in my hometown of Tucson. It seemed like it would never end and for a while there were more and more of them. Then, finally, they tapered off and eventually they stopped. Years later I was reflecting on this to a favorite teacher of mine and he made an interesting point. Just like any other vogue or trend certain kinds of crime become popular when they get lots of attention. He didn't outright blame the media attention for contributing to it, but he did tell me that this too would pass like any other fad.

Whether these shootings are mostly carried out by the mentally ill or extremist ideologues they have to get the idea from somewhere. Maybe if we weren't all so morbidly fascinated by death we wouldn't have quite as many of these killings. In any case, it seems like a good time to look within for an explanation. I hate to think that the thing which will eventually put a stop to mass shootings is that they become so commonplace that the news stops giving them extensive coverage and individuals who want to attract attention by doing such things decide that a public shooting just isn't good enough.

I think the focus on the role of guns in these tragedies is understandable and important, but over prioritized. We need to find a way of preventing this idea from taking root in the diseased minds of those who might go through with it. Something's got to give.
 
2012-08-24 10:41:34 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: FIFY


That brazen lie would probably work better in a thread that didn't' already have a few dozen examples of exactly the mindset I was criticizing.

But thanks for adding evidence to my point!
 
2012-08-24 10:41:35 AM  
LineNoise: Anyway, those arguing that gun control laws contributed to this in either direction are idiots. There were probably thousands of people on that street when he came out the door. If even a few of them started shooting in return, you would have had a lot more people hit.

HWC:WHOA BUDDY

I've been assured that can never happen. That's not how bullets work or something.


No, the way it works is deterrence. If the potential gunman knew there was a substantial chance that the boss or co-workers would whip out a gun and shoot him if he tried a workplace shooting, he wouldn't try in the first place.
 
2012-08-24 10:41:51 AM  

vegasj: shooting?

In NY?

I thought they had strict gun laws?


They do. It is easy to import them from less-strict states though. I know a girl who's an agent at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms and her job is to follow the exporting of guns into NYC (and she's a total badass). She told me they mainly get imported from the southern eastern states. Mostly South Carolina, Florida, etc.
 
2012-08-24 10:42:01 AM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Goddamn it, crazy people. Stop making it so easy to ban guns.

There are a lot of things I hate about living in the south, but at least this will be the last place to stand up for the right to bear arms.


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2012-08-24 10:42:04 AM  

FreakinB: I just got calls from both my mom and my girlfriend asking me if I was at work. At first I was like, yeah, why wouldn't I be?

This is probably why my train got stopped. I take the E to Lex and 53rd and we got stuck at 7th and 53rd for so long that I got off and walked the rest of the way to work. The Empire State Building is 20 blocks away so it's not like that's very close, but I bet that was it.


I got the same calls.

"Are you ok?"
"uhh, yea, I'm pretty much on the other side of town"
"Are you coming home early?"
"uhh, why?"
"Well......STAY SAFE"
"uhhh....ok.....now if you don't mind, I'm getting back to work"
 
2012-08-24 10:42:11 AM  

CAADbury: Coco LaFemme: can we PLEASE have discussion about reasonable gun control in this farking country?

Sure, I'll start: New York City has an outright ban on guns.


Incorrect.

Did that prevent this from happening?

No, and nobody has ever argued that gun laws are magic and can preemptively stop crime.

Are those gun control policies reasonable?

Yes, NYC enjoys some of the lowest gun crime per capita of any major city on the planet.
 
2012-08-24 10:42:25 AM  

inner ted: not to turn into a gun nut thread - but what is a 1911 variant?


I have no idea. I typed that before I had my coffee.
 
2012-08-24 10:42:47 AM  

darch: Well, considering that all the news reports are beginning to show that this was a dispute between two co-workers that spilled out into the street, followed by one of the co-workers pulling out a gun and starting to shoot at the other guy (and in the process hitting innocent bystanders), I'm more worried about people like you who would have a gun in the first place.

I'm a cop genius. I am required to carry on and off-duty.


And if there's one thing we know, cops are paragons of safety and restraint. Until they shoot someone in the head while handcuffed or such.
 
2012-08-24 10:42:59 AM  

Lost Thought 00: 4 shot, but not killed. Shooter dead. Aren't more people shot on a day-to-day basis in NYC? Or is this just an issue because it was rich white people?


Everything that happens in New York is more important. Because people in New York are more important. Objects are too. Wounding 4 people and chipping the Empire State building with bulletes is roughly the newsworthy equivalent of fire bombing Des Moines then backfilling the Grand Canyon.
 
2012-08-24 10:43:03 AM  
I think these mass shootings have more to do with political climate than gun control issues. The media, in this election year, simply perpetuates hatred and encourages violence by using rhetoric to divide us. The outcome is that everyone hates everyone else that isn't exactly like them. All this propaganda has made it so we're all angry and anxious all the time.

The media should promote peace through compromise, and the candidates need to do the same. That is our only way out.

My opinion.
 
2012-08-24 10:43:07 AM  

FreakinB: I just got calls from both my mom and my girlfriend asking me if I was at work. At first I was like, yeah, why wouldn't I be?


My sister did the same thing. She texted me. Apparently, she thinks the city is just one two-block radius.
 
2012-08-24 10:43:29 AM  

mark12A: LineNoise: Anyway, those arguing that gun control laws contributed to this in either direction are idiots. There were probably thousands of people on that street when he came out the door. If even a few of them started shooting in return, you would have had a lot more people hit.

HWC:WHOA BUDDY

I've been assured that can never happen. That's not how bullets work or something.

No, the way it works is deterrence. If the potential gunman knew there was a substantial chance that the boss or co-workers would whip out a gun and shoot him if he tried a workplace shooting, he wouldn't try in the first place.


Uh huh. He knew there were about 100 cops in the area with guns and he was still shooting outside. Why didn't that deter him?
 
2012-08-24 10:43:29 AM  

CAADbury: Coco LaFemme: can we PLEASE have discussion about reasonable gun control in this farking country?

Sure, I'll start: New York City has an outright ban on guns. Did that prevent this from happening? Are those gun control policies reasonable?


We have 50 servers and have virus protection on one of them. That server got a virus today so that proves protection doesn't work.
 
2012-08-24 10:43:31 AM  
Homicide is the third leading cause of workplace fatalaties, according to the Bureau of Workplace Statistics, behind onlt traffic accidents and falls.
 
2012-08-24 10:43:34 AM  

mark12A: LineNoise: Anyway, those arguing that gun control laws contributed to this in either direction are idiots. There were probably thousands of people on that street when he came out the door. If even a few of them started shooting in return, you would have had a lot more people hit.

HWC:WHOA BUDDY

I've been assured that can never happen. That's not how bullets work or something.

No, the way it works is deterrence. If the potential gunman knew there was a substantial chance that the boss or co-workers would whip out a gun and shoot him if he tried a workplace shooting, he wouldn't try in the first place.


Yea, because the type of guy who decides he is going to shoot his boss in probably the most heavily policed block in the god damn country is the type of person who will think things through rationally like that.

If this guy had any remote thought that he was getting out of this alive, he is completely bonkers.
 
2012-08-24 10:43:47 AM  
Quick everyone start acting like an authority on gun, the demographics of Manhattan, and the laws of the city and state of New York! Hurry!
 
2012-08-24 10:44:00 AM  
In before the mag/clip and gun porn posts!
 
2012-08-24 10:44:22 AM  
Editor: Hey, we need 150 words on this story immediately. Can you manage that?

Writer: Sure. {types furiously}. Damn. Only one hundred words? Hmm. Need more information relevant to the story... Ah!

{opens Wikipedia}

"The Empire State Building is one of the most famous skyscrapers in the world, and one of New York City's best-known tourist attractions.

Each year, about 4 million people visit the building's two observation decks. At more than 1,453 feet tall, the landmark building reaches more than a quarter-mile into the sky."

Writer: 150 words! I'm killin' it!
 
2012-08-24 10:44:26 AM  
Wow, it really was another angry white male.

I have white friends, so I wont let this event define them.
 
2012-08-24 10:44:45 AM  

EyeballKid: Hope you're happy, Wayne LaPierre.


What was Mr. LaPierre's involvement in the incident?
 
2012-08-24 10:44:53 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: mark12A: LineNoise: Anyway, those arguing that gun control laws contributed to this in either direction are idiots. There were probably thousands of people on that street when he came out the door. If even a few of them started shooting in return, you would have had a lot more people hit.

HWC:WHOA BUDDY

I've been assured that can never happen. That's not how bullets work or something.

No, the way it works is deterrence. If the potential gunman knew there was a substantial chance that the boss or co-workers would whip out a gun and shoot him if he tried a workplace shooting, he wouldn't try in the first place.

Uh huh. He knew there were about 100 cops in the area with guns and he was still shooting outside. Why didn't that deter him?


Also, having a gun doesn't make you bulletproof. All he really needs is to shoot first.
 
2012-08-24 10:45:00 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Incorrect.


I stand corrected! Please forgive my earlier mis-statements regarding New York City's gun regs.
 
2012-08-24 10:45:07 AM  

namegoeshere: Homicide is the third leading cause of workplace fatalaties, according to the Bureau of Workplace Statistics, behind onlt traffic accidents and falls.


What if you kill somebody buy pushing them off a roof into heavy traffic?
 
2012-08-24 10:45:14 AM  
We had an event earlier this summer where a dumbass blocked the left lane on the freeway, apparently intentionally farked with a guy in a truck trying to get past (in some little POS Honda) then when pressed ran the guy off the road into the median, pulled out his gun and fired it.

Guns, is there anything they can't solve?

Dumbass (new window)
 
2012-08-24 10:45:33 AM  

JerseyTim: Good news, everyone. The Hipster Cop is on the scene:
[gothamist.com image 640x478]
He'll take care of everything.


He was investigating the bodies before they were cool.
 
2012-08-24 10:45:35 AM  

I Said: It's nice to see The Dark Knight Rises is still selling tickets


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"Batman? Pfeh. Amateur."
 
2012-08-24 10:45:38 AM  
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So right, it is wrong.
 
2012-08-24 10:45:38 AM  
At such an iconic place, too.

Maybe there's something after all to a conspiracy behind these recent mass shootings aimed at taking away the right to bear arms.

/tinfoil
 
2012-08-24 10:45:48 AM  

Gunny Highway: Quick everyone start acting like an authority on gun, the demographics of Manhattan, and the laws of the city and state of New York! Hurry!


Well, does anyone know what this guy was armed with?

NYC has handgun permits, no? I mean, they're made to be incredibly hard to get, but that didn't do much here. Neither did the state's ban on "assault weapons".

/Good lord I hate that term...
 
2012-08-24 10:46:50 AM  

CAADbury: Gun nuts may believe that, but I'd rather talk about the fact that gun laws don't work at preventing gun-related crime (or crime in general).


Huh... I've read that Britain has had it's incidents of shooting decline for 7 years running now. Seems the evidence is against you. Perhaps you meant to say that "don't prevent them entirely"? Because they do seem to lower the number of incidents consistently.

Not saying that we should rush ahead to ban guns... just saying that you don't seem accurate at all.
 
2012-08-24 10:46:52 AM  

LarryDan43: 10 shot in NY! OMG! 19 shot overnight in Chicago, Meh.


Lone nutjob hating random people v a long standing drug war with only the combatants (or their families, sadly) involved.
 
2012-08-24 10:46:56 AM  

sweetmelissa31: 10 people were shot but let's talk about how I am oppressed by gun laws


What? Like the notoriously strict ones in New York City? Are those the ones that you hope can save you from ebil guns?
 
2012-08-24 10:47:25 AM  

mark12A: LineNoise: Anyway, those arguing that gun control laws contributed to this in either direction are idiots. There were probably thousands of people on that street when he came out the door. If even a few of them started shooting in return, you would have had a lot more people hit.

HWC:WHOA BUDDY

I've been assured that can never happen. That's not how bullets work or something.

No, the way it works is deterrence. If the potential gunman knew there was a substantial chance that the boss or co-workers would whip out a gun and shoot him if he tried a workplace shooting, he wouldn't try in the first place.


What do you base that on? Most shooters are doing it while not completely in their right mind for one reason or another. Also, many are killed by cops. You don't think they'd know police would respond to a shooting and I don't know, shoot him? If he wanted to shoot his boss or co-workers, chances are he would take them out before they could get a shot off, or at least take a few out before they took him out. It wouldn't prevent anything.

If you know of researching backing up your position, please cite it.
 
2012-08-24 10:47:27 AM  

CAADbury: Coco LaFemme: can we PLEASE have discussion about reasonable gun control in this farking country?

Sure, I'll start: New York City has an outright ban on guns. Did that prevent this from happening? Are those gun control policies reasonable?


Oh yay. Another thread where we get to have this same debate because of one incident that's probably isolated.

In any case, guns just aren't a huge part of life up here. At least not to the degree that it is in other areas. Sure there's issues with violent crime, but most people I know aren't keeping a gun rack and going shooting. And I can understand the need for stricter rules in such a densely-populated area, though sometimes they do go too far.
 
2012-08-24 10:47:28 AM  

sid244: [i290.photobucket.com image 850x690]

[i290.photobucket.com image 850x696]

So right, it is wrong.


What the fark does 5 wounded and 10 injured even mean?????
 
2012-08-24 10:47:48 AM  
Did James Dolan finally lose it?
 
2012-08-24 10:47:55 AM  
Clearly we need to make guns legal in NYC so that random strangers can open fire on the suspect on a crowded street during rush hour. Bullets in these situations only hit bad guys and every legal gun owner is a marksman in combat situations and follows proper gun safety. The End.

/yes making them illegal doesn't work either. We have a violence problem in the US. Guns are just the easy way of carrying that out.
 
2012-08-24 10:48:05 AM  
If only everyone had been armed with fully automatic rifles, grenade launchers, anti-personnel mines, and mortars, this would never have happened!
 
2012-08-24 10:48:08 AM  

SomethingWitty84: Whar are all the concealed carriers that could've stopped this? WHAR!?

/they're at home, commenting on the story


It's New York. Only the criminals have guns.
 
2012-08-24 10:48:13 AM  
Silly humans, how are all your "laws" working out for you now?
 
2012-08-24 10:48:14 AM  
I dont know why I feel I need to point this out, but you can always find rational discussion on reddit when these things happen instead of the retardfest known as fark.

Link
 
2012-08-24 10:48:20 AM  

frenchcheesemuseum: I think these mass shootings have more to do with political climate than gun control issues. The media, in this election year, simply perpetuates hatred and encourages violence by using rhetoric to divide us. The outcome is that everyone hates everyone else that isn't exactly like them. All this propaganda has made it so we're all angry and anxious all the time.

The media should promote peace through compromise, and the candidates need to do the same. That is our only way out.

My opinion.


And a very good opinion it is.

I also think we should spend a boatload more on mental health in this country. If everyone were a bit less hopeless and a bit more connected to reality, we'd see these sorts of incidents dwindle to near nothing, not seem to be escalating.
 
2012-08-24 10:48:24 AM  
The Muthaship

Can we fly in a podunk sheriff to determine whether this is domestic terrorism?

Yes, "podunk sheriffs" are to blame


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Nadal Malik Hasan
13 people dead and 29 others wounded as "work place violence."

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podunk?
 
2012-08-24 10:48:26 AM  

Marine1: Gunny Highway: Quick everyone start acting like an authority on gun, the demographics of Manhattan, and the laws of the city and state of New York! Hurry!

Well, does anyone know what this guy was armed with?

NYC has handgun permits, no? I mean, they're made to be incredibly hard to get, but that didn't do much here. Neither did the state's ban on "assault weapons".

/Good lord I hate that term...


Are you people infants? I don't get it. Do you decry theft laws because they haven't magically stopped theft?
 
2012-08-24 10:48:31 AM  
i came here for the 'causality' corrections. please don't disappoint me, people.
 
2012-08-24 10:48:32 AM  

mikaloyd: What? Like the notoriously strict ones in New York City? Are those the ones that you hope can save you from ebil guns?


Yes, you are the victim.
 
2012-08-24 10:48:33 AM  

seadoo2006: What the fark does 5 wounded and 10 injured even mean?????


It means you're reading something that emanated from a Rupert Murdoch publication.
 
2012-08-24 10:48:35 AM  
Isn't. It difficult to own a gu in Nyc.
 
2012-08-24 10:48:45 AM  

EyeballKid: Hope you're happy, Wayne LaPierre.


nice, I can now blame the head of the gays and Obama for Bradly Manning screwing the nation over with his gay self.
 
2012-08-24 10:48:47 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: namegoeshere: Homicide is the third leading cause of workplace fatalaties, according to the Bureau of Workplace Statistics, behind onlt traffic accidents and falls.

What if you kill somebody buy pushing them off a roof into heavy traffic?


BONUS POINTS!
 
2012-08-24 10:48:58 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: LineNoise: Anyway, those arguing that gun control laws contributed to this in either direction are idiots. There were probably thousands of people on that street when he came out the door. If even a few of them started shooting in return, you would have had a lot more people hit.

WHOA BUDDY

I've been assured that can never happen. That's not how bullets work or something.


A civilian could hypothetically accidentally set his or her PVP flag.
 
2012-08-24 10:49:11 AM  

Marine1: Gunny Highway: Quick everyone start acting like an authority on gun, the demographics of Manhattan, and the laws of the city and state of New York! Hurry!

Well, does anyone know what this guy was armed with?

NYC has handgun permits, no? I mean, they're made to be incredibly hard to get, but that didn't do much here. Neither did the state's ban on "assault weapons".

/Good lord I hate that term...


Concealed carry is for all intents and purposes impossible to get in NYC. A handgun permit for your home or business is tougher than it is in other places, but is possible to get. If you have a clean record and really really want one, the average person can get it.
 
2012-08-24 10:49:14 AM  

sid244: [i290.photobucket.com image 850x690]

[i290.photobucket.com image 850x696]

So right, it is wrong.


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All of the news, none of the EVERYBODY PANIC.
 
2012-08-24 10:49:16 AM  

CAADbury: Vegan Meat Popsicle: How many more shootings do we have to have in this country before people finally accept that we must have more guns?

/ this is what gun nuts actually believe

Gun nuts may believe that, but I'd rather talk about the fact that gun laws don't work at preventing gun-related crime (or crime in general).


You mean apart from the fact that with fewer guns available there will be less gun-related crime?
You'll never eradicate crime of any sort but you can reduce the number of incidents. For example, the UK has significantly less gun-related crime that the USA but that's not to say there is none just because carrying guns is illegal.

Still, I'm always baffled by the gun lobby's shouts of "for our defence" when these "man goes crazy with guns" stories appear because I can't recall a single one of them where the perpetrator was stopped by a regular person carrying a gun.
 
2012-08-24 10:49:19 AM  

seadoo2006: sid244: [i290.photobucket.com image 850x690]

[i290.photobucket.com image 850x696]

So right, it is wrong.

What the fark does 5 wounded and 10 injured even mean?????


It means they used up all their mental power to come up with a title for the shooting, leaving nothing left for the actual reporting.
 
2012-08-24 10:49:24 AM  
I blame global warming
 
2012-08-24 10:49:25 AM  

Dimensio: JerseyTim: Good news, everyone. The Hipster Cop is on the scene:
[gothamist.com image 640x478]
He'll take care of everything.

He was investigating the bodies before they were cool.


LOL. Nice.
 
2012-08-24 10:49:44 AM  

odinsposse: The entire debate about gun control is if gun control laws are effective at stopping crime. This cartoon basically says "Well if you just assume I'm right that gun control curbs gun crime, then I'm right." It is a dumb cartoon and you're dumb for thinking it's a scathing criticism of gun rights advocates.


I like the cartoon for its accuracy. The gun debate is settled, but living in a gun culture means that when a guy goes crazy and starts attacking people, he kills 10 with a gun instead of 2 or 3 with an axe.

It's not about preventing crazy people from doing crazy things; it's about simple math. We have X number of crazy people who will go on killing sprees, and the access each crazy person has to weapons makes each person capable of killing Y people in each killing spree. X times Y equals the number of people who die in massacres committed by crazy people.
 
2012-08-24 10:49:44 AM  
Clearly, more guns in the hands of civilians would have prevented this tragedy. I mean, I'm sure they'd be able to identify the perpetrator and take him out quickly, firing into a crowd and hitting only their targets.

Right?
 
2012-08-24 10:49:46 AM  
I don't want to politicize this tragedy, but I think people are missing the real cause of this. So far we're basing our opinions on rumor and early reports. 4 - 8 victims, shooting by a disgruntled worker, shooter was female.

Now my personal politics aside, I think it's pretty clear that a major contributing factor was that the shooter was not in the kitchen. Had this woman known her place, and been making sandwiches, this NEVER happens.

You can all cry "foul" and get in a huff, but Todd Akin touched on a good point: a woman's body does shut down during traumatic events, and women are emotionally fragile, so many events are traumatic for them. If you're married or dating a woman, tell her she's fat. That's all. Watch then as she freezes in confusion in front of you. She's shut down. Now try to have sex with her. Impossible, and therefor no pregnancy. Over something very minute.

Now this woman was allegedly fired from her job. But we don't know that for certain. Maybe she doesn't fit into her jeans anymore. Maybe she's upset after a sad episode of Dr. Phil. I'm not saying "I know what her motives are", only that she can't kill people at the empire state building if she's in the kitchen.
 
2012-08-24 10:49:47 AM  
Has any confirmed that this was NOT Lance Armstrong?
 
2012-08-24 10:49:54 AM  
LOL good job on fixing the headline. now, i dare you to jump into my mailbox and fix the headline there :) :) :)

in other news, this is ceasing to become news, and that is very very sad
 
2012-08-24 10:50:01 AM  
Get used to this shiat, folks. It's going to become a near weekly occurrence.
 
2012-08-24 10:50:05 AM  

OnlyM3: The Muthaship

Can we fly in a podunk sheriff to determine whether this is domestic terrorism?
Yes, "podunk sheriffs" are to blame


[i.telegraph.co.uk image 460x288]
Nadal Malik Hasan
13 people dead and 29 others wounded as "work place violence."

[ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com image 300x300]
podunk?


I love that people can't understand that it's the military that doesn't want it listed as terrorism.
 
2012-08-24 10:50:10 AM  

sweetmelissa31: 10 people were shot but let's talk about how I am oppressed by gun laws


Go try and legally purchase a hand gun in NYC. I'm not proposing that having private citizens carrying guns would have prevented this from happening. It's just that having incredibly strick guns laws did not prevent this from happening.
I don't have an answer on how to solve this problem. But throwing out moronic statements certainly is not helping to start any meaningful discussions.
 
2012-08-24 10:50:12 AM  

Insatiable Jesus: R.A.Danny: What the hell has happened to our society?

[images.politico.com image 605x328]


They're only a mirror of something else though. We've had political differences before, are the numbers really up on mass shootings or has this been going on at this rate more than I realize?
 
2012-08-24 10:50:13 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: JohnnyC: darch: Until recently, I almost never carried off duty as my Glock 26 is bulky and uncomfortable but I've changed my mind on that. I carry ALWAYS now. This shiat can happen anytime, anywhere.

But if it does, you're going to join in?

Ever notice how not one of these stores ends with, "one of the other citizens pulled their gun and killed the assailant, saving everyone"? Yeah... me either.

He would have been cut down by the police before he even got it drawn.


Pretty much. If your average citizen pulls a gun in a situation like that, they just become "one of the shooters" and are probably more likely to get themselves killed or accidentally kill someone else. Then what happens if two or three of them start pulling weapons and shooting? How in the hell are they even supposed to know who to shoot at that point?
 
2012-08-24 10:50:28 AM  

CAADbury: NeoBad: Suddenly have two thoughts. One is that the 1300 price tag of that small Kimber 45 ACP may not be so bad. Two is to go stock up on Ammo for my 9 mm.

UGH, please not a 1911 variant. 8+1 is a pretty paltry capacity nowadays.

Though, I suppose, once you're out of ammo, you can always throw the super carry pro at the bad guys. makes a pretty good blunt force instrument.


Or you can practice to the point where you wont miss with the first two rounds then it won't matter how many more you have left in the mag.....Unless you get into a multiple target situation in which case your even better off if you don't need 20 rounds to hit one target.
 
2012-08-24 10:50:29 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: What if you kill somebody buy pushing them off a roof into heavy traffic?


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2012-08-24 10:50:30 AM  

ChrisDe: This will be an affair they'll remember.


lol nice. My wifes favorite movie. It gets played a lot around here.
 
2012-08-24 10:50:33 AM  

Mrs.Sharpier: I blame global warming


Funny, you'd think the Arabs would be used to the heat.
 
2012-08-24 10:50:39 AM  
If only everyone in the country had a concealed carry permit, maybe someone would have shot this guy years ago when he first started acting douchey.
 
2012-08-24 10:50:41 AM  

Blueintheballs: You need more guns when you have a problem with guns.


Throwing guns at a problem is never a solution. It ruins the finish on them and besides you could have an accidental discharge.

/wading in with a blazing M1911 in each hand, however, could be construed as a solution to many problems
 
2012-08-24 10:50:46 AM  

JohnnyC: Huh... I've read that Britain has had it's incidents of shooting decline for 7 years running now. Seems the evidence is against you. Perhaps you meant to say that "don't prevent them entirely"? Because they do seem to lower the number of incidents consistently.

Not saying that we should rush ahead to ban guns... just saying that you don't seem accurate at all.


Comparing the United States to Britain isn't a fair comparison. The latter is an island, so the number of guns in private hands is much lower, and getting guns illegally into the UK takes a lot more effort than places with large unguarded land borders.
 
2012-08-24 10:50:58 AM  

OnlyM3: 13 people dead and 29 others wounded as "work place violence."


Haha. Look at you linking to Townhall like a moron.

Maybe it was classified that way because he was an employee of the base who shot other employees of the base and there still hasn't been any clear explanation for why he did what he did?

But that's boring. Better to just go all full retard and run off to Townhall for your derpsplanation, right?
 
2012-08-24 10:51:10 AM  

WTF Indeed: seadoo2006: sid244: [i290.photobucket.com image 850x690]

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So right, it is wrong.

What the fark does 5 wounded and 10 injured even mean?????

It means they used up all their mental power to come up with a title for the shooting, leaving nothing left for the actual reporting.


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2012-08-24 10:51:20 AM  

OnlyM3: Yes, "podunk sheriffs" are to blame


I was referring to the sheriff at the Sikh temple shooting immediately calling it an act of domestic terrorism.

He had his reasons, it got him instant FBI assistance.

/not saying it wasn't
//just maybe he was a little quick with the proclamation....