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(AP)   Those wacky 9th Circuit Court judges in San Francisco say gun makers can be held liable for crimes committed with guns   ( divider line
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2003-11-20 04:56:34 PM  
These are the same people that brazenly ignore leash laws and let their dogs roam in the city parks and also allow their little hellion kids run amok causing problems. But if either their dog or their kid hurt or killed anyone they'd be the first to tell you that *they* were not responsible for their dog's actions or their kids actions.

Fvking asshats..

I'm going to sue my parents for my death. They should have considered the fact that I was going to die before they had me.
2003-11-20 04:58:41 PM  
Can I sue Stanley for making hammers because someone used one to murder my friend? I swear this country has no concept of personal responsibility anymore.
2003-11-20 05:09:51 PM  

It's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun not have it.

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2003-11-20 05:35:37 PM  
Does that mean I can blame mazda if I get in a car accident?
2003-11-20 05:39:12 PM  
Once again demonstrating why the 9th Cir. is the most overturned federal court in all the land.
2003-11-20 05:46:29 PM  
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Aren't there any feminists in S.F.?
2003-11-20 05:56:59 PM  
Sounds like the plotline for a really bad movie that was hijacked from a really good book.
2003-11-20 06:08:55 PM  
Once again demonstrating why the 9th Cir. is the most overturned federal court in all the land.

Not based on percentage it isn't.
2003-11-20 06:09:36 PM  
I am now filing a class action lawsuit for all of you to get in on. We will jointly be suing the following for our collective assumed eventual demise:

Hostess, Anheuser-Busch, McDonalds, Phillip Morris, Taco Bell, Mickey Mouse, and pocket lint.

Don't worry, we'll be in the 9th Circuit Court. I'm sure we'll get this one.
2003-11-20 06:09:47 PM  
2003-11-20 06:34:14 PM  
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2003-11-20 06:49:07 PM  
Time to bring out the Supremes.

And no, I'm not talking about these guys.

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Um, I mean gals.
2003-11-20 06:53:33 PM  
The stipulation for this law should be that only the
people that die are allowed to sue
. Their relatives
and loved ones can't do a damn thing

- I bet the case load would drop significantly since
decomposing bodies find it difficult to fill out the paperwork.
All they know is: BRAAAAIIINNNS!!! NEEED
2003-11-20 07:13:40 PM  
Fine by me. I'd rather one of you Farkers tried killing me with a knife than a gun. Probably end up cutting your hand beating me with the handle...
2003-11-20 07:28:48 PM  
god damned 9th circut court again
2003-11-20 07:31:29 PM  

You are absolutely right. Based on percentage, the 4th, 5th, 8th and 10th Circuit Courts have got 100% cases heard by the SCotUS in the October term of 2002 overturned, while the 9th is second place with 75% of theirs either revoked or vacated. The 4th and 5th had 3 cases heard apiece, while the 8th and 10th had 1 apiece. The 9th had 24 cases heard and 18 overturned. On the other hand, of all state court cases heard by the SCotUS, 17 were overturned, with the nearest number of overturned cases from any one source (if you count all 50 states as a single source). Of the 80 cases heard, 24 were from the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, a full thirty percent from one court.

But you are absoulutely right about the percentage! Thanks for clearing that up for us!
2003-11-20 07:37:40 PM  
This is really asinine. The gun industry manufactured a product, it worked as it was supposed to but was misused in a manner that lead to someone's death. There is no other industry that has ever been held liable for something like that. This isn't about who is or is not responsible, this is obviously a purely political ruling and not something that a court should be doing. They are attempting to cross the line between judicial and ligislative by pushing their own political agenda in this sort of manner.
2003-11-20 07:39:34 PM  
only people that died can sue ?

hehe... looks like they fixed it.

"It'll all just... work it's self out"
2003-11-20 07:44:42 PM  

The last court that heard this agreed with your argument. The gun was not a defective product. I have never seen a billboard or TV commercial selling guns, nor heard a radio spot for one, demonstrating that the argument about "irresponsible marketing" is similarly flawed.
2003-11-20 07:51:47 PM  
I see Adverse18. It was percentage of court cases overturned that were heard by the SCotUS that the 9th doesn't lead.

Do you know what the overturned per number of total court cases per year percentage is for the various courts?

I'm curious.
2003-11-20 07:59:53 PM  

Here is a PDF of court reversal rates for 2002. If you would like to compare them to the actual cases, you can find that raw data here
2003-11-20 08:01:06 PM  
Oh, yeah. Opens in new window and all that. And put a period on the end.
2003-11-20 08:02:22 PM  
Oh man. Make ME do the work
2003-11-20 08:12:07 PM  
Well, the PDF has all the data there for all the circuit courts. They've already done the work. The peer review is on you, though.

I'd like to take this opportunity to correct my own post above. I stated:
Of the 80 cases heard...

This should read:
Of the 80 cases decided...

That should do it. Let me know what you find.
2003-11-20 08:27:20 PM  
This is what I was looking for:
Although the 9th Circuits caseload comprised approximately 17% of the federal appellate cases terminated in the year ending March 31, 2002, its decisions accounted for close to half (43%) of all the federal appellate decisions reviewed by the Supreme Court this past term. Comparatively, the 5th Circuit decided nearly 14% of federal appeals cases, but accounted for only 5.4% of the Supreme Courts docket. The third largest federal appeals court, the 11th Circuit, accounted for nearly 13% of federal appellate caseload, but only 7.1% of the cases decided by the Supreme Court originated there.
2003-11-20 08:28:20 PM  
From here
2003-11-20 08:31:41 PM  

Ah. Glad for it. Anyway, I think we both agree that the evidence says that the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has its decisions questioned disproportionately by the Supreme Court.

That may happen in this particular case, seeing as another court had already ruled that the law that was just reinstated was not a good law. Agreed?
2003-11-20 08:40:32 PM  
rrtt22 you aren't thinking big picture at all are you? You sue them for your accident, health risks from the pollution their product produced and start a class action suit for all those poor kids in South America forced to milk rubber trees 19 hours a day so that Mazda has wheels for it's cars.
2003-11-20 08:43:03 PM  
I'd like to sue Danskins for making thong leotards cuz this chick at the gym, she's killin me.
2003-11-20 08:54:47 PM  
Totally agree
2003-11-20 09:08:17 PM  
I'd like to sue the 9th district court, for their decisions give me the shiats. At least they truly are liable for my runs.
2003-11-20 09:11:06 PM  
This will be overturned.
2003-11-20 09:15:14 PM  
I hope the gun manufacturers form a bloc and sue the 9th District Court for slander and emotional damages over this ruling, once it's overturned.
2003-11-20 09:17:36 PM  
the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has its decisions questioned disproportionately by the Supreme Court

Maybe they should sue for discrimination.
2003-11-20 09:23:50 PM  
Don't give the 9th Circuit any ideas, ReBurninator.
2003-11-20 09:27:44 PM  
Why sue the gun manufacturer anyway? Any fool with two eyes can see this is clearly the fault of bullet manufacturers.
2003-11-20 10:11:08 PM  
Thales, no its not.
It's obviously the fault of the steel industry for prociding material to make both the gun and the bullets.
2003-11-20 10:12:03 PM  
Well kick my sister in the teeth and circumcise me:

prociding = providing.
2003-11-20 11:09:34 PM  
Rottenassdan, I'd hit that chick. Even with the gun. :)
2003-11-20 11:12:05 PM  
What about knife makers?
2003-11-20 11:13:49 PM  
Again I say that California is begging to be nuked.
2003-11-20 11:15:19 PM  
Good. Fark the gun makers!

// ducking for cover.
2003-11-20 11:15:49 PM  

Send more cops!

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/my god, beer is a harsh mistress...
2003-11-20 11:16:45 PM  
Goddamned liberal farking bench riders are supposed to adjudicate the law, not WRITE it.

That's what we have a legislative branch for.
2003-11-20 11:16:49 PM  
Pistols are made for the singlular purpose of killing people.

The same can not be said about hammers or knives or any other tool (or for long guns like muskets, rifles and shotguns, for that matter).
2003-11-20 11:17:10 PM  
Pace Pick-awn-tee Sauce. Not in San Fran-Frisco!
2003-11-20 11:19:14 PM  
can't wait for Bush to win in a landslide and bring alot of legislatures on his coattails. get rid of these losers in SF.
2003-11-20 11:19:23 PM  
Pistols are for officers.
The "well ordered militia" members bring their long guns.
2003-11-20 11:19:24 PM  
Goddamned liberal farking bench riders are supposed to adjudicate the law, not WRITE it.

That's what we have a legislative branch for.
2003-11-20 11:19:52 PM  
Come on, you can't possibly sue the perp that pulled the trigger now, he only has a buck forty to his name.
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