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2012-08-24 08:03:43 AM
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2012-08-24 08:08:10 AM
Chandler said he has occasionally been curious about other religions, but he insisted that he came to his conclusion about God on his own, separate and apart from his parents, Matt and Karen Garry. Matt was raised Jewish and Karen was raised Christian, but now both identify as atheists and decided early on to raise their kids in a God-less household.

"We wanted to raise our kids to make their own decisions," Karen Garry said. "If our children decided they wanted to be Jewish, fine, not a problem. We would love them just as much as if they were atheist or whatever, Buddhist. We just wanted them to be good, happy people."


History's. Greatest. Monsters.
 
2012-08-24 08:12:43 AM
Jesus Christ.
 
2012-08-24 08:15:53 AM
I can't help but wonder here, how much is a 9 year old coming up against others for being an atheist and all that? I mean I've been an atheist ever since I realized Santa wasn't real either, but I can't remember caring much or giving it serious thought until my angsty teenage years myself.

Of course I'm sure there are parts of the country where atheist kids have it rough with lots of uber-religious people around that are nothing like my suburban Pittsburgh childhood, but this camp is in Oregon. If anything probably even more atheists there.
 
2012-08-24 08:17:27 AM
Why is it weird, Subby? I suppose you think the hundreds of 'christian' camps are also weird?
 
2012-08-24 08:18:57 AM

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2012-08-24 08:22:13 AM

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2012-08-24 08:34:47 AM
FTA: "The best way to become an atheist is to study the Bible, and I definitely recommend the kids do that."

That's some funny shiat right there.
 
2012-08-24 08:37:49 AM

Andromeda: I can't help but wonder here, how much is a 9 year old coming up against others for being an atheist and all that? I mean I've been an atheist ever since I realized Santa wasn't real either, but I can't remember caring much or giving it serious thought until my angsty teenage years myself.

Of course I'm sure there are parts of the country where atheist kids have it rough with lots of uber-religious people around that are nothing like my suburban Pittsburgh childhood, but this camp is in Oregon. If anything probably even more atheists there.


Even in rural Texas, I don't see too much active discrimination. When I do see it, it's usually over the top and hateful (I've actually been spit on), but that's happened once in the hundreds of thousands of Christians I've met. Mostly, if it does happen, it's a few yelled swears and obscene gestures. Occasionally, I find a girl that won't go out with me because of it. However, my older non-religious friends tell stories of being physically assaulted not only for being atheist, but for not being the certain brand of Christian that was common in that area. Which, ironically, was what converted a lot of them.

/current girlfriend actually wouldn't date me for a month because she thought her family would lose it.
//is that ironic? the beatings would be expected to convert, but them coming from "Christians" seems unexpected.
///whatever
 
2012-08-24 08:39:56 AM
This is a really neat concept, if you are a milquetoast pansy that doesn't have the strength of conviction in his/her own ideas to adapt to the environment of a real summer camp.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-24 08:40:36 AM

Andromeda: I can't help but wonder here, how much is a 9 year old coming up against others for being an atheist and all that? I mean I've been an atheist ever since I realized Santa wasn't real either, but I can't remember caring much or giving it serious thought until my angsty teenage years myself.

Of course I'm sure there are parts of the country where atheist kids have it rough with lots of uber-religious people around that are nothing like my suburban Pittsburgh childhood, but this camp is in Oregon. If anything probably even more atheists there.


You obviously didn't grow up in Alabama.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-24 08:42:11 AM

Lucky LaRue: This is a really neat concept, if you are a milquetoast pansy that doesn't have the strength of conviction in his/her own ideas to adapt to the environment of a real summer camp.


Because only camps run by hate groups are real.
 
2012-08-24 08:46:54 AM

vpb: Because only camps run by hate groups are real.


In these modern days of over-diagnosing ADD and hyperactivity, camps run by those "hate groups" you impugn actually serve a valuable function in grabbing the attention of campers and helping them learn to focus their mental acuity on specific projects and activities. The lives of many have been shaped by attending these concentration camps.
 
2012-08-24 08:49:37 AM

vpb: Lucky LaRue: This is a really neat concept, if you are a milquetoast pansy that doesn't have the strength of conviction in his/her own ideas to adapt to the environment of a real summer camp.

Because only camps run by hate groups are real.


Ah.. I see: It's either the Atheist camp or the hate camp. It must be a cold, stark, and depressing world of black-and-white that you live in.
 
2012-08-24 08:55:37 AM

vpb: Andromeda: I can't help but wonder here, how much is a 9 year old coming up against others for being an atheist and all that? I mean I've been an atheist ever since I realized Santa wasn't real either, but I can't remember caring much or giving it serious thought until my angsty teenage years myself.

Of course I'm sure there are parts of the country where atheist kids have it rough with lots of uber-religious people around that are nothing like my suburban Pittsburgh childhood, but this camp is in Oregon. If anything probably even more atheists there.

You obviously didn't grow up in Alabama.


THIS. So much f*cking THIS.
 
2012-08-24 08:58:22 AM

Lucky LaRue: vpb: Lucky LaRue: This is a really neat concept, if you are a milquetoast pansy that doesn't have the strength of conviction in his/her own ideas to adapt to the environment of a real summer camp.

Because only camps run by hate groups are real.

Ah.. I see: It's either the Atheist camp or the hate camp. It must be a cold, stark, and depressing world of black-and-white that you live in.


Jesus Camp!
www.kk.org
 
2012-08-24 09:07:41 AM
I bet it was a Pan flute,then.
 
2012-08-24 09:09:01 AM
Wait, that doesn't make any sense.
 
2012-08-24 09:09:20 AM

Lucky LaRue: vpb: Lucky LaRue: This is a really neat concept, if you are a milquetoast pansy that doesn't have the strength of conviction in his/her own ideas to adapt to the environment of a real summer camp.

Because only camps run by hate groups are real.

Ah.. I see: It's either the Atheist camp or the hate camp. It must be a cold, stark, and depressing world of black-and-white that you live in.


It is a black and white issue, magic verse reality. Not once in the history of science has magic ever been a legitimate answer. God has constantly become smaller as the gaps in our understanding of the universe are filled in.
 
2012-08-24 09:14:19 AM

swaniefrmreddeer: Lucky LaRue: vpb: Lucky LaRue: This is a really neat concept, if you are a milquetoast pansy that doesn't have the strength of conviction in his/her own ideas to adapt to the environment of a real summer camp.

Because only camps run by hate groups are real.

Ah.. I see: It's either the Atheist camp or the hate camp. It must be a cold, stark, and depressing world of black-and-white that you live in.

It is a black and white issue, magic verse reality. Not once in the history of science has magic ever been a legitimate answer. God has constantly become smaller as the gaps in our understanding of the universe are filled in.


Are you trying to suggest that any summer camp that is not an atheist summer camp is, by logical reasoning, a religious summer camp? Or just that all non-atheist summer camps are magical places, and we shouldn't expose our children to the wonders of a magical experience?
 
2012-08-24 09:22:22 AM

swaniefrmreddeer: Lucky LaRue: vpb: Lucky LaRue: This is a really neat concept, if you are a milquetoast pansy that doesn't have the strength of conviction in his/her own ideas to adapt to the environment of a real summer camp.

Because only camps run by hate groups are real.

Ah.. I see: It's either the Atheist camp or the hate camp. It must be a cold, stark, and depressing world of black-and-white that you live in.

It is a black and white issue, magic verse reality. Not once in the history of science has magic ever been a legitimate answer. God has constantly become smaller as the gaps in our understanding of the universe are filled in.


Atheism != Science
And if you strip away all the hokus pokus and the noisy fringe exclusionary yahoos there are some pretty high quality guidelines for a functional society. (Don't kill people, help out your neighbour, that type of stuff...)

/Gandhi, Christ, not Christians
//Damn you for making me defend religion.
///yes I saw what I did there.
 
2012-08-24 09:29:09 AM

Lucky LaRue:

Are you trying to suggest that any summer camp that is not an atheist summer camp is, by logical reasoning, a religious summer camp? Or just that all non-atheist summer camps are magical places, and we shouldn't expose our children to the wonders of a magical experience?


The vast majority of summer camps are religious, even the cadet camps (Canadian military) I went to as a kid had religious elements. I was berated by an officer for refusing to bow my head during grace, which removed the "magic" of the experience. I think it's great that atheist camps are available for kids that value reason over the hate preached by religion.
 
2012-08-24 09:29:55 AM
The majority of Americans still identify themselves as Christian, but a survey from the 2008 U.S. Census reveals that more than 34 million Americans consider themselves agnostic, atheist or to have no religion. That number has more than doubled since 1990.

Doubled in about 20 years? So by 2050 there's going to be over 136 million atheists?

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-08-24 09:30:17 AM
...I stuck the problem of evil in my pussy.
 
2012-08-24 09:30:50 AM
I think these indoctrination camps aimed at young people are weird, no matter what flavor indoctrination.
 
2012-08-24 09:31:25 AM

swaniefrmreddeer: ... God has constantly become smaller as the gaps in our understanding of the universe are filled in.


Or bigger.
 
2012-08-24 09:33:47 AM

edmo: I think these indoctrination camps aimed at young people are weird, no matter what flavor indoctrination.


I know, right? I used to send my kid to music camp every summer, but he started coming home with these weird ideas about "music theory" and showing a proclivity to listening to classical music on his iPhone. Believe me, I put a stop to that!

/ not really - I am very proud of his music talent
 
2012-08-24 09:42:46 AM
So it is camp.
 
2012-08-24 09:45:31 AM

Staffist: swaniefrmreddeer: ... God has constantly become smaller as the gaps in our understanding of the universe are filled in.

Or bigger.


www.lolwtfcomics.com
 
2012-08-24 10:10:33 AM

Lucky LaRue: This is a really neat concept, if you are a milquetoast pansy that doesn't have the strength of conviction in his/her own ideas to adapt to the environment of a real summer camp.


So, one could say the same about kids attending a Jewish sleep-away camp, or a sleep away camp for budding writers, or one for kids really into science? Atheist camp is no different than any of the other "specialty" camps parents warehouse their kids in while they have an adult life for a week or two.

Also, any kid who openly identifies as an atheist at a young age has to some set of metaphorical balls, because they sure aren't taking the easy way in society. Therefore, your statement is pretty much a rabbit with a pancake on it's head.
 
2012-08-24 10:16:44 AM
What a trolly ABC headline.
 
2012-08-24 10:19:19 AM

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vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-24 10:19:36 AM

kronicfeld: vpb: Because only camps run by hate groups are real.

In these modern days of over-diagnosing ADD and hyperactivity, camps run by those "hate groups" you impugn actually serve a valuable function in grabbing the attention of campers and helping them learn to focus their mental acuity on specific projects and activities. The lives of many have been shaped by attending these concentration camps.


Of course, a camp without religious indoctrination couldn't possibly do the same thing could it?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-24 10:20:11 AM

Cythraul: FTA: "The best way to become an atheist is to study the Bible, and I definitely recommend the kids do that."

That's some funny shiat right there.


Yep. True too.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-24 10:31:13 AM

Lucky LaRue: vpb: Lucky LaRue: This is a really neat concept, if you are a milquetoast pansy that doesn't have the strength of conviction in his/her own ideas to adapt to the environment of a real summer camp.

Because only camps run by hate groups are real.

Ah.. I see: It's either the Atheist camp or the hate camp. It must be a cold, stark, and depressing world of black-and-white that you live in.


Did you read your own message that I was replying to? Obviously not.

Is your account used by multiple people of something?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-24 10:37:05 AM

Lucky LaRue: swaniefrmreddeer: Lucky LaRue: vpb: Lucky LaRue: This is a really neat concept, if you are a milquetoast pansy that doesn't have the strength of conviction in his/her own ideas to adapt to the environment of a real summer camp.

Because only camps run by hate groups are real.

Ah.. I see: It's either the Atheist camp or the hate camp. It must be a cold, stark, and depressing world of black-and-white that you live in.

It is a black and white issue, magic verse reality. Not once in the history of science has magic ever been a legitimate answer. God has constantly become smaller as the gaps in our understanding of the universe are filled in.

Are you trying to suggest that any summer camp that is not an atheist summer camp is, by logical reasoning, a religious summer camp? Or just that all non-atheist summer camps are magical places, and we shouldn't expose our children to the wonders of a magical experience?


That would be as silly as saying that all women are either pregnant or non-pregnant.
 
2012-08-24 10:37:36 AM

omnibus_necanda_sunt: MUTE! ADBLOCK! U R DUM WHARRGARRBLE!


Better solution: Don't go to those websites that do that kind of shiat.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-24 10:41:06 AM

swaniefrmreddeer: Lucky LaRue:

Are you trying to suggest that any summer camp that is not an atheist summer camp is, by logical reasoning, a religious summer camp? Or just that all non-atheist summer camps are magical places, and we shouldn't expose our children to the wonders of a magical experience?

The vast majority of summer camps are religious, even the cadet camps (Canadian military) I went to as a kid had religious elements. I was berated by an officer for refusing to bow my head during grace, which removed the "magic" of the experience. I think it's great that atheist camps are available for kids that value reason over the hate preached by religion.


I think it's funny that he thinks people won't notice that he is confusing "magical" in the sense of Disney and "magical" in the sense of superstition.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-24 10:46:43 AM

miss diminutive: The majority of Americans still identify themselves as Christian, but a survey from the 2008 U.S. Census reveals that more than 34 million Americans consider themselves agnostic, atheist or to have no religion. That number has more than doubled since 1990.

Doubled in about 20 years? So by 2050 there's going to be over 136 million atheists?

[imgs.xkcd.com image 461x295]


Or maybe they have always been there but are coming out into the open now, because they don't face the discrimination and harassment they used to face?
 
2012-08-24 10:51:06 AM

vpb: miss diminutive: The majority of Americans still identify themselves as Christian, but a survey from the 2008 U.S. Census reveals that more than 34 million Americans consider themselves agnostic, atheist or to have no religion. That number has more than doubled since 1990.

Doubled in about 20 years? So by 2050 there's going to be over 136 million atheists?

[imgs.xkcd.com image 461x295]

Or maybe they have always been there but are coming out into the open now, because they don't face the discrimination and harassment they used to face?


That's altogether too rational and logical a theory. I prefer the image of people building bomb shelters and hoarding supplies for fear of being overrun by rampant atheists.
 
2012-08-24 10:59:29 AM

miss diminutive: vpb: miss diminutive: The majority of Americans still identify themselves as Christian, but a survey from the 2008 U.S. Census reveals that more than 34 million Americans consider themselves agnostic, atheist or to have no religion. That number has more than doubled since 1990.

Doubled in about 20 years? So by 2050 there's going to be over 136 million atheists?

[imgs.xkcd.com image 461x295]

Or maybe they have always been there but are coming out into the open now, because they don't face the discrimination and harassment they used to face?

That's altogether too rational and logical a theory. I prefer the image of people building bomb shelters and hoarding supplies for fear of being overrun by rampant atheists.


You guys are living in the most (legally) tolerant nation in humankind's history. Our laws consistently protect your beliefs from being overwhelmed by society's dominant beliefs. People of faith don't fear your ideas. That's absurd.

The hatred Atheist (and here I am talking about Dawkins Atheist; there are rational atheist that don't deserve scorn) have for faith, the complete contempt they show for divergent beliefs, and the voracity with which they voice their opinions make them the teabaggers of religious debate
 
2012-08-24 11:07:59 AM

Lucky LaRue: miss diminutive: vpb: miss diminutive: The majority of Americans still identify themselves as Christian, but a survey from the 2008 U.S. Census reveals that more than 34 million Americans consider themselves agnostic, atheist or to have no religion. That number has more than doubled since 1990.

Doubled in about 20 years? So by 2050 there's going to be over 136 million atheists?

[imgs.xkcd.com image 461x295]

Or maybe they have always been there but are coming out into the open now, because they don't face the discrimination and harassment they used to face?

That's altogether too rational and logical a theory. I prefer the image of people building bomb shelters and hoarding supplies for fear of being overrun by rampant atheists.

You guys are living in the most (legally) tolerant nation in humankind's history. Our laws consistently protect your beliefs from being overwhelmed by society's dominant beliefs. People of faith don't fear your ideas. That's absurd.

The hatred Atheist (and here I am talking about Dawkins Atheist; there are rational atheist that don't deserve scorn) have for faith, the complete contempt they show for divergent beliefs, and the voracity with which they voice their opinions make them the teabaggers of religious debate




Could you be any more full of shiat?
 
2012-08-24 11:08:42 AM

Lucky LaRue: You guys are living in the most (legally) tolerant nation in humankind's history. Our laws consistently protect your beliefs from being overwhelmed by society's dominant beliefs. People of faith don't fear your ideas. That's absurd.


I know, that's why the image is funny. Humour can sometimes be based on hyperbole and exaggeration.

Lucky LaRue: The hatred Atheist (and here I am talking about Dawkins Atheist; there are rational atheist that don't deserve scorn) have for faith, the complete contempt they show for divergent beliefs, and the voracity with which they voice their opinions make them the teabaggers of religious debate


While I agree that many atheists are can be intolerant and show contempt for their fellow citizens, I'd rather be surrounded by militant atheists who smother you in smugness and sarcasm than by militant members of most faiths who often don't stop at such measures to prove their point.
 
2012-08-24 11:13:11 AM

Andromeda: I can't help but wonder here, how much is a 9 year old coming up against others for being an atheist and all that? I mean I've been an atheist ever since I realized Santa wasn't real either, but I can't remember caring much or giving it serious thought until my angsty teenage years myself.


I think it's very possible times have changed. Growing up in the 70s and 80s, religion was a non-issue. It was just something that people didn't talk about all that much (and I grew up in the south from 6th grade on). Today religion is a major aspect of all sociopolitical discussions, and as such there's a lot of demonization that goes along with it. The enemy used to be the anti-establishment folks like communists and so forth. Now it's atheists, with rednecks hating on all non-christians. For the middle class, atheism is the only stance that's acceptable to hate on because it has no racial component.
 
2012-08-24 11:28:49 AM
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2012-08-24 11:29:05 AM
So, lack of religious faith is now a doctrine with themed camps? *steps out of the way of the onslaught of "nuh uh!" "yuh huh!" that hallmarks these threads.*
 
2012-08-24 11:29:30 AM
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SON, I AM DISAPPOINT


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2012-08-24 11:29:57 AM

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THIS! Splat says fark you auto-play and the shark you rode in on.
 
2012-08-24 11:30:51 AM
But what is their stance on gay marriage and Chick-Fil-A sandwiches?
 
2012-08-24 11:30:51 AM

Andromeda: , but this camp is in Oregon. If anything probably even more atheists there.


All of Oregon isn't Portland. Think of the area of Pennsylvania between Pittsburgh and Philadelphia.
 
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