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2012-08-24 08:28:02 AM  
He just wants gay marriage passed so he can work on legal polygamy next so he can marry four or five blondes at once.
 
2012-08-24 08:36:02 AM  
I've heard that being a heterosexual is genetic and not a life style choice.
 
2012-08-24 08:43:30 AM  

BillCo: I've heard that being a heterosexual is genetic and not a life style choice.


I fail to see where anyone suggested differently, troll.
 
2012-08-24 09:02:33 AM  
Well, that settles that. I'm sure the fundies are finally going to listen to reason now that Hef has spoken.
 
2012-08-24 09:13:03 AM  
That is an interesting way to spell Liberace
 
2012-08-24 09:18:13 AM  
Wasn't sure that Hefner is the "world's most famous heterosexual" but a quick Google search revealed few other claimants.

One old article suggested Elizabeth Taylor as the "world's most famous heterosexual woman" and another said "Romeo and Juliet" was the "world's most famous heterosexual" tragedy.

// I guess we have to give it to him.
 
2012-08-24 09:23:47 AM  

Cythraul: He just wants gay marriage passed so he can work on legal polygamy next so he can marry four or five blondes at once.



While maybe true, I still wouldn't mind being in his bathrobe. You'd have to admit the old horndog has seen a lot.
 
2012-08-24 09:30:56 AM  
Isn't his son gay?
 
2012-08-24 09:43:47 AM  

AlwaysRightBoy: Cythraul: He just wants gay marriage passed so he can work on legal polygamy next so he can marry four or five blondes at once.


While maybe true, I still wouldn't mind being in his bathrobe. You'd have to admit the old horndog has seen a lot.


Maybe true? I was kidding. Seen a lot, I suppose. But after decades of sex with god knows how many partners, wouldn't it get old after a while?

I guess not.
 
2012-08-24 10:00:22 AM  

Cythraul: Maybe true? I was kidding. Seen a lot, I suppose. But after decades of sex with god knows how many partners, wouldn't it get old after a while?

I guess not.


Knows you were kidding. I hope it wouldn't get old if that was me.

/I bet the Hef dies with a hard on!
 
2012-08-24 10:05:10 AM  
Hef has been overcompensating for years...he's clearly gay.
 
2012-08-24 10:18:57 AM  

AlwaysRightBoy: Cythraul:...

/I bet the Hef dies with a hard on!


If he OD's on Viagra, that's not out of the realm of possibility.
 
2012-08-24 10:26:47 AM  

MayoSlather: Hef has been overcompensating for years...he's clearly gay.


I've been undercompensating for years...all it makes me is lonely.
 
2012-08-24 10:27:21 AM  
Dang.

I was expecting this to be a Ron Jeremy thread.
 
2012-08-24 10:29:20 AM  

BillCo: I've heard that being a heterosexual is genetic and not a life style choice.


I've heard that being BillCo is painful and sad.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:07 AM  
And he's so wise in his choices about whom to marry.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:45 AM  

Cythraul: AlwaysRightBoy: Cythraul: He just wants gay marriage passed so he can work on legal polygamy next so he can marry four or five blondes at once.


While maybe true, I still wouldn't mind being in his bathrobe. You'd have to admit the old horndog has seen a lot.

Maybe true? I was kidding. Seen a lot, I suppose. But after decades of sex with god knows how many partners, wouldn't it get old after a while?

I guess not.


I don't know that it would get old exactly, but with my personality, I can guarantee it would become tedious eventually. Ymmv.
 
2012-08-24 10:33:02 AM  

dantanner: And he's so wise in his choices about whom to marry.


The man knows exactly what he wants. It's a feature, not a bug.
 
2012-08-24 10:33:25 AM  

calm like a bomb: I've heard that being BillCo is painful and sad.


And tiring. So very tiring.
 
2012-08-24 10:34:32 AM  

BillCo: I've heard that being a heterosexual is genetic and not a life style choice.


Lol!
 
2012-08-24 10:35:25 AM  

BillCo: I've heard that being a heterosexual is genetic and not a life style choice.


Well you and the subby fail since Hef has admitted to gay sex before so at the least he's bi.
 
2012-08-24 10:35:53 AM  
Hef probably digs the lesbians.

/nttawwt
 
2012-08-24 10:36:12 AM  
In other news, a handful of men actually read Playboy for the first time ever.
 
2012-08-24 10:37:32 AM  
Civil rights don't originate in the Bible.
 
2012-08-24 10:37:32 AM  

BillCo: I've heard that being a heterosexual is genetic and not a life style choice.


They say everyone's a little straight.
 
2012-08-24 10:37:47 AM  
Dear Editor,

Please amend the article with. "But only two women, two guys is icky.

Thank you,
Hugh
 
2012-08-24 10:39:20 AM  
This isn't going to help.

No, it's not.

No. It. Is. Not. Going. To. Help.

You have to look at the overall picture here. Would somebody who is seen, fairly or unfairly, as having questionable moral values by a lot of people really help the cause? The answer is, no, probably not.
 
2012-08-24 10:40:02 AM  
Laws for sexual freedom are simple marking the way for more perverse behavior to be introduced into the mainstream. You joke about gay marriage leading to sex between a man and a turtle; however, there are men who actively seek out horses, furries, and whatever the flavor of the week is in Germany. This, with ever advancing ,medical technology, throws open the door to new, more abhorrent abominations. In the 1950s and 60s, white parents were alarmed when their teenage daughter brought a black boy home. That will be nothing compared to when she comes home with Uggla the tentacle monster and four sentient industrial egg-beaters.
 
2012-08-24 10:40:09 AM  

steamingpile: BillCo: I've heard that being a heterosexual is genetic and not a life style choice.

Well you and the subby fail since Hef has admitted to gay sex before so at the least he's bi.


If you're not trolling, citation? I've never heard that about Hef.
 
2012-08-24 10:40:41 AM  
I guessed Clooney. Hefner is a freak show.
 
2012-08-24 10:42:29 AM  

steamingpile: BillCo: I've heard that being a heterosexual is genetic and not a life style choice.

Well you and the subby fail since Hef has admitted to gay sex before so at the least he's bi.


Well, no. You can have gay sex without being gay or bi. You know, try it and realize it's not for you.

/the bros before hos arguement
 
2012-08-24 10:42:57 AM  
Not exactly the worlds strongest proponent of MARRIAGE, and all that goes with it, including perfect fidelity to the mother of your children. If his argument is "marriage should be more worthless than ever" - i.e., completely disconnected from the capacity of men and women to make new people and the necessity of constraining that potential, I might believe him sincere, but not necessarily persuasive.
 
2012-08-24 10:43:06 AM  
the world's most famous heterosexual

So everyone in the world who is more famous than Hugh Hefner is gay or bi? Interesting.
 
2012-08-24 10:44:38 AM  
When I saw the headline, I was sure this was going to be about Tom Cruise.
 
2012-08-24 10:46:30 AM  

zarberg: steamingpile: BillCo: I've heard that being a heterosexual is genetic and not a life style choice.

Well you and the subby fail since Hef has admitted to gay sex before so at the least he's bi.

If you're not trolling, citation? I've never heard that about Hef.


I believe some former playmate even claimed that he liked to watch gay porn to get it up.
 
2012-08-24 10:46:57 AM  

randomjsa: This isn't going to help.

No, it's not.

No. It. Is. Not. Going. To. Help.

You have to look at the overall picture here. Would somebody who is seen, fairly or unfairly, as having questionable moral values by a lot of people really help the cause? The answer is, no, probably not.


Nothing is going to help until the passionate defenders of bigotry simple decide they're in the wrong. Seeing as how we still have anti-miscegnation supporters and open racists, I'm guessing sometime in the 2200s.

Legislatively and socially? Sometime over the next 30-40 years, it'll be legal nationwide.
 
2012-08-24 10:47:14 AM  

steamingpile: BillCo: I've heard that being a heterosexual is genetic and not a life style choice.

Well you and the subby fail since Hef has admitted to gay sex before so at the least he's bi.


Seriously? I'm gonna need a citation of that little 'fact.'
 
2012-08-24 10:47:39 AM  

randomjsa: This isn't going to help.

No, it's not.

No. It. Is. Not. Going. To. Help.

You have to look at the overall picture here. Would somebody who is seen, fairly or unfairly, as having questionable moral values by a lot of people really help the cause? The answer is, no, probably not.


You should shoot him an e-mail and let him know that you have deemed his opinion on the matter worthless. Maybe there is still time to retract the article and issue an apology for expressing his views.
 
2012-08-24 10:48:36 AM  
He is actually bisexual.
 
2012-08-24 10:49:01 AM  

BillCo: I've heard that being a heterosexual is genetic and not a life style choice.


Sorry man, I'm proof that being gay isn't a "lifestyle choice". If I could CHOOSE to enjoy man sex, I would have a long time ago. I'd be covered in jizz like 24 hours a day. If I could just hang out with my dude friends and have them get me off, I'd be more than OK with it. The company of men is much more enjoyable for me.

It just doesn't work though. Boobs still make my junk happy, and wangs don't.
 
2012-08-24 10:49:42 AM  
Oh, it's Hugh Hefner. I was expecting John Travolta.
 
2012-08-24 10:50:07 AM  

randomjsa: You have to look at the overall picture here. Would somebody who is seen, fairly or unfairly, as having questionable moral values by a lot of people really help the cause? The answer is, no, probably not.


From what I gather about the bulk of the people who care about gay marriage, the economy is the most important thing to them, and if that's the case Hef should be an absolute hero - he build a company from the ground up and employs a lot of people. He's a true businessman.
 
2012-08-24 10:50:10 AM  
I always thought Hef was bi.
IIRC, back in the 70's, Mick Jagger walked in on him, while he was buggering Dennis Weaver.
Mick reportedly said: "Hey! Hugh! Get off of McCloud!"

/So sorry
 
2012-08-24 10:56:10 AM  
The friars were behind on their belfry payments, so they opened up a small florist shop to raise the funds. Since everyone liked to buy flowers from the men of God, the rival florist across town thought the competition was unfair. He asked the good fathers to close down, but they would not. He went back and begged the friars to close. They ignored him.

He asked his mother to go and ask the friars to get out of the business. They ignored her too.

So, the rival florist asked Hugh Hefner, who just happened to be one of his longstanding clients, if he could use his persuasive powers to get the friars to move into another line of work. Hef, being a good man, went down to talk to the men and managed to convince them that brewing beer was a much more logical choice for them.

Thus proving...

Hugh, and only Hugh, can prevent florist friars.

Oh, Hugh.
 
2012-08-24 10:56:57 AM  
Hugh Hefner is actually a virgin.

Little known fact.
 
2012-08-24 10:57:00 AM  
Out of curiosity, I Googled "the world's most famous heterosexual. Apart from Fark.com and the Daily News article quoted, naming Hugh Hefner, the phrase seems to have attached itself to the oft-married beard, Elizabeth Taylor, whose wealthy male "friends" include the later Michael Jackson; motor-cycle rider, Malcolm Forbes; and any number of actors and rich men.

I'm sure that she would be glad to stand up and be counted for gay marriage, possibly more than once.

As for the "world's most famous heterosexual transvestite", I'm sure many Farkers would agree it is Eddie Izzard, and the world's most famous heterosexual tragedy is Romeo & Juliet by William Shakespear, while the WMFH porn star is Ron Jeremy, of course.

Other names mentioned in this context include Casanova (a no-brainer for the literary elite) and Australian cricketer, Shane Warne, whoever the Hell that is.

You know, this fame thing is really simple-minded and obvious, not unlike a Farker.
 
2012-08-24 10:58:11 AM  
If the Christian Right won't listen to Hugh Hefner, who will they listen to?
 
2012-08-24 10:58:49 AM  
img688.imageshack.us
 
2012-08-24 11:00:22 AM  

K3rmy: Laws for sexual freedom are simple marking the way for more perverse behavior to be introduced into the mainstream. You joke about gay marriage leading to sex between a man and a turtle; however, there are men who actively seek out horses, furries, and whatever the flavor of the week is in Germany. This, with ever advancing ,medical technology, throws open the door to new, more abhorrent abominations. In the 1950s and 60s, white parents were alarmed when their teenage daughter brought a black boy home. That will be nothing compared to when she comes home with Uggla the tentacle monster and four sentient industrial egg-beaters.


...And that affects you how? If'n ya like watching perverse behavior, go for it. There's no need to comment upon it for our sake.

///If this is a troll, 2/10
 
2012-08-24 11:01:31 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: If the Christian Right won't listen to Hugh Hefner, who will they listen to?


Well, Rush proclaimed himself as the leader of the Republican party the other day.

Not kidding, he said "if I had wanted Todd Akin out of the race, he'd be out of the race"
 
2012-08-24 11:02:59 AM  

zarberg: randomjsa: You have to look at the overall picture here. Would somebody who is seen, fairly or unfairly, as having questionable moral values by a lot of people really help the cause? The answer is, no, probably not.

From what I gather about the bulk of the people who care about gay marriage, the economy is the most important thing to them.


Of course! Heterosexual relationships -> more poeple -> more consumers -> more wage slaves
You can't have infinite capitalist growth without an ever expanding supply of consumers.
 
2012-08-24 11:04:55 AM  

Cythraul: He just wants gay marriage passed so he can work on legal polygamy next so he can marry four or five blondes at once.


That would be a financial disaster for a man who likes to keep his harem fresh.
 
2012-08-24 11:05:55 AM  

Antagonism: Sorry man, I'm proof that being gay isn't a "lifestyle choice". If I could CHOOSE to enjoy man sex, I would have a long time ago. I'd be covered in jizz like 24 hours a day. If I could just hang out with my dude friends and have them get me off, I'd be more than OK with it. The company of men is much more enjoyable for me.


It sounds like you've thought about this a lot.
 
2012-08-24 11:08:38 AM  
Well, duh. He's devoted his entire life to hedonism. Of course he is going to be for the gays. I have no doubt that he's for necrophilia, pedophilia, bestiality, sadomasochism and scatology, too. He's a creepy kind of guy who gets off on all kinds of diviant sex.
 
2012-08-24 11:09:24 AM  

Krieghund: Antagonism: Sorry man, I'm proof that being gay isn't a "lifestyle choice". If I could CHOOSE to enjoy man sex, I would have a long time ago. I'd be covered in jizz like 24 hours a day. If I could just hang out with my dude friends and have them get me off, I'd be more than OK with it. The company of men is much more enjoyable for me.

It sounds like you've thought about this a lot.


Or listens to Henry Rollins.
 
2012-08-24 11:10:37 AM  

Krieghund: Antagonism: Sorry man, I'm proof that being gay isn't a "lifestyle choice". If I could CHOOSE to enjoy man sex, I would have a long time ago. I'd be covered in jizz like 24 hours a day. If I could just hang out with my dude friends and have them get me off, I'd be more than OK with it. The company of men is much more enjoyable for me.

It sounds like you've thought about this a lot.


Well I don't know about him, but he's certainly helped me to think about this hypothetical situation.
 
2012-08-24 11:11:32 AM  

notmtwain: Wasn't sure that Hefner is the "world's most famous heterosexual" but a quick Google search revealed few other claimants.

One old article suggested Elizabeth Taylor as the "world's most famous heterosexual woman" and another said "Romeo and Juliet" was the "world's most famous heterosexual" tragedy.

// I guess we have to give it to him.


For most heterosexual guy, I'd have thought Wilt Chamberlain. Then again, he wouldn't be making any political statement these days, would he.
 
2012-08-24 11:14:49 AM  

Dear Jerk: I guessed Clooney. Hefner is a freak show.


Ditto on clooney.
 
2012-08-24 11:18:46 AM  

K3rmy: Laws for sexual freedom are simple marking the way for more perverse behavior to be introduced into the mainstream. You joke about gay marriage leading to sex between a man and a turtle; however, there are men who actively seek out horses, furries, and whatever the flavor of the week is in Germany.


That'd be eels, Bob.
 
2012-08-24 11:20:04 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: The friars were behind on their belfry payments, so they opened up a small florist shop to raise the funds. Since everyone liked to buy flowers from the men of God, the rival florist across town thought the competition was unfair. He asked the good fathers to close down, but they would not. He went back and begged the friars to close. They ignored him.

He asked his mother to go and ask the friars to get out of the business. They ignored her too.

So, the rival florist asked Hugh Hefner, who just happened to be one of his longstanding clients, if he could use his persuasive powers to get the friars to move into another line of work. Hef, being a good man, went down to talk to the men and managed to convince them that brewing beer was a much more logical choice for them.

Thus proving...

Hugh, and only Hugh, can prevent florist friars.

Oh, Hugh.


For some reason, this just made me angry.

/Funny'd it
//But still.
 
2012-08-24 11:21:09 AM  

randomjsa: This isn't going to help.

No, it's not.

No. It. Is. Not. Going. To. Help.

You have to look at the overall picture here. Would somebody who is seen, fairly or unfairly, as having questionable moral values by a lot of people really help the cause? The answer is, no, probably not.


Much like a man, a cause is known by the company it keeps.
 
2012-08-24 11:21:10 AM  
Sorry, here is the most heterosexual man in the world, and he approves:

i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-08-24 11:21:11 AM  
really i thought he was gay. you'd think he would be if he had THAT many women around him.
 
2012-08-24 11:22:08 AM  

K3rmy: Laws for sexual freedom are simple marking the way for more perverse behavior to be introduced into the mainstream. You joke about gay marriage leading to sex between a man and a turtle; however, there are men who actively seek out horses, furries, and whatever the flavor of the week is in Germany. This, with ever advancing ,medical technology, throws open the door to new, more abhorrent abominations. In the 1950s and 60s, white parents were alarmed when their teenage daughter brought a black boy home. That will be nothing compared to when she comes home with Uggla the tentacle monster and four sentient industrial egg-beaters.


I like a guy who thinks outside the box.
 
2012-08-24 11:22:41 AM  

varmitydog: Well, duh. He's devoted his entire life to hedonism. Of course he is going to be for the gays. I have no doubt that he's for necrophilia, pedophilia, bestiality, sadomasochism and scatology, too. He's a creepy kind of guy who gets off on all kinds of diviant sex.


Because as soon as you're into getting smacked around for pleasure, you'll find that you have to be smacked around by a covered-in-poop dead foal's hind leg. Indeed.

// actually, fairly revealing on your end
 
2012-08-24 11:23:53 AM  
not hero....dumbass
 
2012-08-24 11:25:51 AM  

MayoSlather: Hef has been overcompensating for years...he's clearly gay.


This. As soon as it's accepted he'll be out of the closet.
 
2012-08-24 11:35:41 AM  
Hef keeps seven bimbos on salary at $2000 a week each to keep him serviced, and I also note the Playboy mansion has really gone to seed lately.

If a man is worth hundreds of millions and can't attract a woman on merit, something is wrong.

He could also afford decent housekeepers.
 
2012-08-24 11:38:09 AM  
Even number of legs, pulse, vagina. Everything else is gravy. Just like the bible intended.

/I'll negotiate on the pulse part
 
2012-08-24 11:41:11 AM  
I have no problem with gay marriage, I couldnt give 2 shiats what hugh hefner thinks. Remember a few years ago when he tried to fool us that he had 3 girlfriends. He didnt fool no one and he himself became the biggest fool.
 
2012-08-24 11:44:33 AM  

ggecko: Sorry, here is the most heterosexual man in the world, and he approves:

[i0.kym-cdn.com image 430x539]


Heterosexuality isn't that interesting, bro.
 
2012-08-24 11:45:36 AM  
I am a lesbian. My then gf (of 6yrs) asked me to marry and sponsor her for immigration reasons. I refused ...so she went out, hooked up with a guy, and got married and sponsored within 3 months.

Fark the scantity of heterosexual marriages.
 
2012-08-24 11:52:08 AM  

zarberg: steamingpile: BillCo: I've heard that being a heterosexual is genetic and not a life style choice.

Well you and the subby fail since Hef has admitted to gay sex before so at the least he's bi.

If you're not trolling, citation? I've never heard that about Hef.


Is Wikipedia a good site to cite? In 1971, he acknowledged that he experimented in bisexuality... (Wikipedia cites the BBC for that info.)
 
2012-08-24 11:57:23 AM  
Everyone should be allowed to marry anyone, or anything, they want.
Don't restrict this to just homosexuals, either. Multi-partner marriages and any other deviation should be allowed as well.
 
2012-08-24 12:00:28 PM  
A man who has been married and divorced multiple times and lives with whores should have no say in what should be considered marriage.
 
2012-08-24 12:00:46 PM  
A friend of mine is a playboy model & you should hear the stories she tells. She of course loves Hefner & says at parties he's pretty quiet & nice. That's his charm....he's super nice to girls. 


/No, I will not post pics of her
 
2012-08-24 12:02:16 PM  

doubled99: Everyone should be allowed to marry anyone, or anything, they want.
Don't restrict this to just homosexuals, either. Multi-partner marriages and any other deviation should be allowed as well.


even if she doesn't want to marry her i can still do it??
 
2012-08-24 12:03:11 PM  

doubled99: Everyone should be allowed to marry anyone, or anything, they want.
Don't restrict this to just homosexuals, either. Multi-partner marriages and any other deviation should be allowed as well.


I knew I had you labeled 'Troll' for a reason. ;)
 
2012-08-24 12:04:04 PM  

cowsspinach: A friend of mine is a playboy model & you should hear the stories she tells. She of course loves Hefner & says at parties he's pretty quiet & nice. That's his charm....he's super nice to girls. 


/No, I will not post pics of her


You're no fun.
 
2012-08-24 12:10:53 PM  
"Without it, we will turn back the sexual revolution and return to an earlier, puritanical time," he writes, according to Politico.

So the journalist didn't even pick up the Playboy to read the farking article????
 
2012-08-24 12:11:20 PM  
World's most famous what again?
 
2012-08-24 12:11:24 PM  

cowsspinach: A friend of mine is a playboy model & you should hear the stories she tells. She of course loves Hefner & says at parties he's pretty quiet & nice. That's his charm....he's super nice to girls. 


/No, I will not post pics of her


And the pics of you?
 
2012-08-24 12:16:31 PM  

SandMann: Dang.

I was expecting this to be a Ron Jeremy thread.


You might want to review his past videos... he's been on both sides of the fence for the money.
 
2012-08-24 12:25:05 PM  

red5ish: Civil rights don't originate in the Bible.


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
 
2012-08-24 12:25:59 PM  

Krieghund: Antagonism: Sorry man, I'm proof that being gay isn't a "lifestyle choice". If I could CHOOSE to enjoy man sex, I would have a long time ago. I'd be covered in jizz like 24 hours a day. If I could just hang out with my dude friends and have them get me off, I'd be more than OK with it. The company of men is much more enjoyable for me.

It sounds like you've thought about this a lot.


Actually I have. I spent about 3 of my college years working in the Castro in San Francisco. This specific question came up for me a lot. If I were gay I would have been laid city, way more than I am as a straight guy. If I could willingly choose that lifestyle, I would have. Gay dudes tried to pick me up daily. My sexual emotions are reinforced by logic.

I suggest everyone try this, get to know yourselves better.
 
2012-08-24 12:33:11 PM  
If being gay were just a lifestyle choice, then no one would choose it. Why would anyone want to subject themselves to abuse and ridicule? Throughout history people have been imprisoned and executed for being gay....that's a lot to face just for a "choice". It makes more sense that it is genetic or otherwise some biologic imperitive. If being heterosexual is not a choice, then obviously being gay must also be not a choice. So the only other arguement against homosexuality is the religious angle. But that famous passage from the bible about Sodom doesn't say anything about gays.....I've read it, and I think it's talking about "sexual violence" against men and women.
 
2012-08-24 12:37:31 PM  

Cythraul: But after decades of sex with god knows how many partners, wouldn't it get old after a while?



No
 
2012-08-24 12:46:17 PM  
mememachine.viralvideochart.com
 
2012-08-24 12:52:30 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: If the Christian Right won't listen to Hugh Hefner, who will they listen to?


A gay prostitute with a pile of meth?
 
2012-08-24 12:59:38 PM  

cowsspinach: /No, I will not post pics of her


So? If she's a playboy model her pictures are already on the internet.
 
2012-08-24 01:00:23 PM  

genner: endowed by their Creator


How is this in any way "Biblical"?

A good many of the Founders thought that the God of the Bible was little more than a monster.

(Aside from the fact the legal system in America is in no way derived from the Declaration...)
 
2012-08-24 01:01:26 PM  
I thought for sure it was gonna be James Bond
 
2012-08-24 01:09:35 PM  
Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks and all that. As long as its between to consenting adult (we're talking humans here, since I doubt that animals can legally consent to anything), nobody should have the right to say who a person can love, marry, or fark.
 
2012-08-24 01:20:20 PM  

genner: red5ish: Civil rights don't originate in the Bible.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness


That "Creator" is the Flying Spaghetti Monster, which I don't believe is mentioned in the Bible.
 
2012-08-24 01:48:18 PM  

SonOfSpam: genner: red5ish: Civil rights don't originate in the Bible.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

That "Creator" is the Flying Spaghetti Monster, which I don't believe is mentioned in the Bible.


I'm sure our founding fathers would agree.
 
2012-08-24 01:52:50 PM  
Before reading article, thought "He's going to mention lesbians"

Reads article and... nope.

Yay?
 
2012-08-24 01:57:10 PM  

monkey muffin: Before reading article, thought "He's going to mention lesbians"

Reads article and... nope.

Yay?


Homosexual women = less women for heterosexual men.

Homosexual men = more women for heterosexual men.

AGENDA
 
2012-08-24 02:00:17 PM  

StaleCoffee: monkey muffin: Before reading article, thought "He's going to mention lesbians"

Reads article and... nope.

Yay?

Homosexual women = less women for heterosexual men.

Homosexual men = more women for heterosexual men.

VAGENDA

 
2012-08-24 02:13:10 PM  

genner: red5ish: Civil rights don't originate in the Bible.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness


You do realize that 'endowed by their creator' is intentionally vague language which allows any person to insert whatever they believe to be their creator as the source of their rights.. right? I mean, you are trolling, and you do see my point, right? At least, I hope so.

Otherwise, they would have simply said, 'endowed by their god.'
 
2012-08-24 02:24:56 PM  

Cythraul: steamingpile: BillCo: I've heard that being a heterosexual is genetic and not a life style choice.

Well you and the subby fail since Hef has admitted to gay sex before so at the least he's bi.

Seriously? I'm gonna need a citation of that little 'fact.'


Seriously? Its in his biography that he helped write so the citation is Hef.
 
2012-08-24 02:30:41 PM  

Albert911emt: If being gay were just a lifestyle choice, then no one would choose it. Why would anyone want to subject themselves to abuse and ridicule? Throughout history people have been imprisoned and executed for being gay....that's a lot to face just for a "choice". It makes more sense that it is genetic or otherwise some biologic imperitive. If being heterosexual is not a choice, then obviously being gay must also be not a choice. So the only other arguement against homosexuality is the religious angle. But that famous passage from the bible about Sodom doesn't say anything about gays.....I've read it, and I think it's talking about "sexual violence" against men and women.


Some people enjoy conflict, others just like sharing clothes.
 
2012-08-24 02:46:33 PM  

steamingpile: Albert911emt: If being gay were just a lifestyle choice, then no one would choose it. Why would anyone want to subject themselves to abuse and ridicule? Throughout history people have been imprisoned and executed for being gay....that's a lot to face just for a "choice". It makes more sense that it is genetic or otherwise some biologic imperitive. If being heterosexual is not a choice, then obviously being gay must also be not a choice. So the only other arguement against homosexuality is the religious angle. But that famous passage from the bible about Sodom doesn't say anything about gays.....I've read it, and I think it's talking about "sexual violence" against men and women.

Some people enjoy conflict, others just like sharing clothes.


Some dudes like whisker rubs and taking it up the pooper.
 
2012-08-24 02:50:20 PM  

Albert911emt: But that famous passage from the bible about Sodom doesn't say anything about gays.....I've read it, and I think it's talking about "sexual violence" against men and women.


Do you mean the NT one, whose timeline starts over a thousand years after Sodom's destruction, or the OT account? Because the way the OT account is viewed in the Jewish tradition, the sin of Sodom was in being inhospitable to guests (namely, Abe and the "messengers").

Besides which, the townspeople aren't clamoring for Abe, Lot and the menfolk to come out and "play", they want the women (specifically Lot's daughters). If anyone was gonna get "sodomized" in that story, it was going to be the women. (And violence against women - or men - is never pointed to as the reason for Sodom's judgement. Abe asks if there are any "righteous men", and it appears not even 10 existed in those huge cities.)
 
2012-08-24 04:17:46 PM  

farkityfarker: the world's most famous heterosexual

So everyone in the world who is more famous than Hugh Hefner is gay or bi? Interesting.


Well, there's a usage where saying someone is "the most famous x" only commits the speaker to that person being the most famous among people known for that particular reason, x-ing. For example, there's a most famous basketball player, say, Kobe Bryant. But, Obama plays basketball and is more famous, and yet it's still true that Kobe Bryant is the most famous basketball player.

I guess what I'm saying is, Hugh Hefner is famous for heterosexing. He's a professional heterosexer.
 
2012-08-24 04:55:13 PM  

steamingpile: Cythraul: steamingpile: BillCo: I've heard that being a heterosexual is genetic and not a life style choice.

Well you and the subby fail since Hef has admitted to gay sex before so at the least he's bi.

Seriously? I'm gonna need a citation of that little 'fact.'

Seriously? Its in his biography that he helped write so the citation is Hef.


I never would have thought a man who wants to be taken seriously as a playboy would admit to having a same-sex sexual experience.

I still don't believe you. You being a complete stranger from the internet. Guess I'm going to have to ask around / google.
 
2012-08-24 05:18:11 PM  
Hef is an authority on marriage?
 
2012-08-24 05:38:23 PM  
I don't know if "heterosexual" accurately describes Hugh Hefner's sexual orientation. I bet he's dabbled in other... unconventional proclivities.
 
2012-08-24 05:46:02 PM  
Because if there is anyone that gay-marriage opponents will listen to, it's Hugh Hefner.
 
2012-08-24 07:16:05 PM  

Arkanaut: Hef probably digs the lesbians.

/nttawwt


"probably"?
 
2012-08-24 07:28:08 PM  
Arnold disapproves. God disapproves.......and so do I - so it ain't happenin'!
 
2012-08-24 07:35:30 PM  
Can someone explain how this is an issue? Some gay guys want to get married? Who cares? Global warming, gross malfeasance in the financial "industry" and this is somehow important?

America, you used to be cool.
 
2012-08-24 07:49:24 PM  

randomjsa: This isn't going to help.
No, it's not.
No. It. Is. Not. Going. To. Help.
You have to look at the overall picture here. Would somebody who is seen, fairly or unfairly, as having questionable moral values by a lot of people really help the cause? The answer is, no, probably not.


I understand your point at one level, but I think your analysis is a little superficial and your conclusion incorrect as a result.

Those who thump holy scriptures (Christian, Muslim, or otherwise) in their moral objection to gaity in general or gay marriage in particular, no, are not going to be swayed away from that position by Heff. But they were also not going to be swayed without him. His support has no effect with them one way or the other.

Heff is seen as relatively "family friendly". He has made cameo appearances on family-friendly TV shows for decades without controversy. He doesn't have a big 'sleaze' factor like Larry Flint, Al Goldstein, or Joe Francis, has or that or Bob Guccione had. Fathers don't want to beat him up. His support for something is not likely to scare away people who would otherwise support something.

At the same time, he is still a legend to men. He built an empire being a connoisseur of women and fine things, and sharing that with the world. He was always hip, at the cutting edge of culture, style, technology, the civil rights movement, art, et cet. Despite having admitted to experimented a little, he is looked upon by guys as being all-man, a straight-arrow pu55y hound who make the ladies cream. The wild uncle whom guys wish they could be.

A lot of men oppose gay marriage not because they are religious fanatics, but because it's icky. Come on, two dudes? Ew. The media coverage about gay marriages may actually do more harm than good, as it shows guys holding hands and kissing their grooms, and fat, old, dykish broads kissing or going on about their love and equal rights. It's cringe inducing. Is some of that reaction caused by subconscious fears about one's own sexuality? Quite possibly. But here's Hef coming forward and saying to men, "Hey, it's cool. Why should you care if two dudes or two broads want to marry each other? It doesn't bother me. What business is it of ours to interfere? It isn't." He's making it OK for regular guys to also say, "Screw it. What difference does it make to me whom some other guy wants to marry? And most of those lesbos marrying each other were not anyone I wanted anyway."

His support is to regular men what Dick Cheney's support is to politicians. As the old Vulcan proverb states, "Only Nixon could go to China."
 
2012-08-24 08:12:17 PM  

Cythraul: He just wants gay marriage passed so he can work on legal polygamy next so he can marry four or five blondes at once.


What would be wrong with that?

SnarfVader: Well, that settles that. I'm sure the fundies are finally going to listen to reason now that Hef has spoken.


Yeah - he's not really going to convince anyone.
 
2012-08-24 10:42:36 PM  

HopScotchNSoda: A lot of men oppose gay marriage not because they are religious fanatics, but because it's icky. Come on, two dudes? Ew. The media coverage about gay marriages may actually do more harm than good, as it shows guys holding hands and kissing their grooms, and fat, old, dykish broads kissing or going on about their love and equal rights. It's cringe inducing. Is some of that reaction caused by subconscious fears about one's own sexuality? Quite possibly. But here's Hef coming forward and saying to men, "Hey, it's cool. Why should you care if two dudes or two broads want to marry each other? It doesn't bother me. What business is it of ours to interfere? It isn't." He's making it OK for regular guys to also say, "Screw it. What difference does it make to me whom some other guy wants to marry? And most of those lesbos marrying each other were not anyone I wanted anyway."


Gay "marriage" is not about marriage and everyone honest enough to look at the issue knows it. It's about silencing one side of the debate through government coercion and force. To force the population to accept a lifestyle as "normal" that a large portion of the population rejects. Even

Government never should have been in the business of marriage in the first place, that whole mess started with the French Revolution. The only reason I would support gay "marriage" is if I hated homosexuals, to to the self destructive nature of that lifestyle, which according to the statistics tends to be more destructive than alcoholisim. By doing so you are basically telling them to go kill themselves. No different than buying an alcoholic more booze.

Marriage is the institution for providing a healthy environment for the raising of CHILDREN. The left have simple redefined it as being nothing more than a contract between two adults. Much in the same way they call every rifle an "assault rifle". There is lots of evidence showing that children are best raised in a household with both the mother and the father.

Why do you think that marriages were arranged for so many years in many cultures? It had nothing to do about the husband and wife. It was the grandparents working to ensure a stable environment for their grandchildren. Even today the system of arranged marriage works relatively well where it is practiced. A former co-worker from Malaysia went through with his arranged marriage and it's a far more healthy relationship than many unarranged marriages I see personally. Both systems have their pros and cos.

Even in the West where husband and wive often chose each other, the tradition for centuries was for both spouses to get the approval of the to-be in-laws before the marriage would proceed. This was probably the best system overall as it allowed the freedom to choose ones spouse while also providing a check against relationships that would not last. Though it was plagued by the baggage of the class system present in some cultures.

Again, the topmost intent of marriage is to provide a healthy environment for children. Interfering and redefining such an important institution can and does have disastrous society-wide consequences, as one can see with what happened after no-fault divorce laws became commonplace in the US and when the government welfare state effectively replaced the father in black families.

If two homosexuals want to have a contract between themselves there is nothing wrong with that, as much as I don't like it. Trying to misclassify that in the same category as the institution whose purpose is to ensure the well being of the next generation is dishonest, plain and simple. They are relying on the ignorance of the population to not see the distinction. I used to be one of those ignorant people.

If they want to have that self-destructive relationship, fine, but classifying it as "marriage" and promoting it via government is something that should not be done any more than government promoting alcoholism. The arguments over healthcare benefits and inheritance fail as the latter is easily covered by wills and the former is caused by the tax code promoting health insurance to be purchased through employers. Doing another wrong to fix another wrong is not the way to go.

The second problem is that by affirming gay marriage one must also MUST necessarily, whether they are aware of it or not, deny moral objectivity and affirm moral relativity and all the ugly things that entails. Do you support NAMBLA and their efforts to "Supporting the liberation of persons of all ages from sexual prejudice and oppression"? Every single argument in favor of gay" marriage" can also be, and is, used by NAMBLA. Any argument trying to separate the two fails. They will simply accuse you of having religious influences (even if the person is an atheist.), that you have no right to discriminate what two consenting people do together, that you're discriminating, etc. You can coherently oppose both or support both, but to support one and not the other is simply incoherent.

If people understood the implications of that nobody would support gay "marriage". I originally supported gay marriage, out of ignorance, but once I realized the moral relativity aspect (via my readings of Nietzsche, C.S. Lewis, Bert Russell, and other philosophers.) I had a serious problem. I spent a long time looking for a way around the problem, but unfortunately there is none. The objectivity of moral values is a self-evident truth, one cannot deny moral objectivity any more than they can deny the reality of the external world. If they do, they cannot live it. (Nietzsche and Dawkins are two examples.) There are other problems in addition to that of course.

By not affirming it, you can still permit the activity, homosexual activity, since it's between two consenting adults without denying the objectivity of moral values and without the ugly realities of moral relativism. (and NAMBLA) Just like how we permit alcoholism even though virtually everyone recognizes it as a self-destructive behavior. You'll find many former homosexuals, Stephen Bennett as one example, you will never find a former black person.

On the practical side, by permitting, but not promoting, it you also make it far easier for people who want to voluntarily change their ways to openly do so. One of the major problems with drug prohibition is that it makes it very difficult to break the cycle of addiction due to the illegality. These activities should be granted no special preference and promotion by government, but neither should they be prohibited.

To condone moral relativity is for society to put a shotgun in its mouth and pull the trigger. 

/copy/paste from my posts elsewhere
//good night
 
2012-08-24 11:19:39 PM  

zarberg: HaywoodJablonski: If the Christian Right won't listen to Hugh Hefner, who will they listen to?

Well, Rush proclaimed himself as the leader of the Republican party the other day.

Not kidding, he said "if I had wanted Todd Akin out of the race, he'd be out of the race"


He is. it's about damn time he acknowledged that. The man wields a lot of power, and he needs to be pretty open about it, because that 'I'm just an entertainer!!11!!1' is a ridiculous shield.

/Also...am I the only one taking a second look at this guy? I mean, sure, I live in NV, and brothels do a hell of a lot of charity work and generally good stuff, but this is...well, the sort of moral argument that makes you stop and reconsider your stance on a person.
 
2012-08-25 12:15:30 AM  
Crosshair:

Does it hurt to be that stupid?
 
2012-08-25 12:23:32 AM  
Crosshair:

That reminded me a little of Timecube.
 
2012-08-25 03:18:09 PM  
He's a bisexual.
 
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