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(Politico)   "I feel like I am, as a reporter in the Capitol, lied to every day, all day"   ( divider line
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2012-08-24 10:44:48 AM  

Insatiable Jesus: Muta: If you have credibility then you get access. Terry Gross had great interview with Karl Rove. If you asked 'gottcha' questions then the big name politicians will avoid you.

OK. Sounds like the relationship most of the press had with the Govt during the 60s. So what if Congresswoman Rottencrotch doesn't call on you when you raise your hand? Go about your job and wait for one of her enemies on the Hill to call you later.

That or go to one of that congressperson's staffers. Someone from that office *will* give the congressperson's offical answer to the question.
2012-08-24 10:47:19 AM  

odinsposse: Yes, access is a two way street. The media needs politicians so they can get stories. But politicians also need the media if they want stories disseminated to the public. It's just that TV news has become a profit machine and no one is willing to risk profit by saying "We won't blindly read your talking points if you won't talk to us."

True Dat!
2012-08-24 11:03:35 AM  
there is a legitimate reason why reporters aren't usually combative.

Believe it or not, there was a time when reporters were combative. Remember a young Sam Donaldson or Eric Severeid ? They had the balls to ask the tough questions and when they didn't get answers they kept pounding the pols until they did. That's why they were put on the Enemies List.
2012-08-24 11:04:12 AM  

ghare: Your job is to listen to what the candidate says, then attempt to verify it, and print the results.

Or at least that's what it should be.

That sounds like a lot of work.
2012-08-24 11:14:26 AM  

Bob16: This is amerika you rube reporter. It's built on lies and built out of lies.

It's the the united states of "we can't handle the truth".

We are the wimps of the world.

Jesus h. My 11yr. old daughter said exactly that 2nd statement there. She knows the meme, but hasn't seen the movie.

She sees it.
We were having a discussion about when it might be ok to lie. She said there were a lot of people that you can't have a truthful discussion with, because they refuse to see another point of view.
Basically, we both agreed that the little white lie was something you're expected to do.
I just gotta teach her tact.
2012-08-24 11:59:41 AM  
On the brighter side, you can develop amazing strength using the shovel on BS

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2012-08-24 12:00:38 PM  
I love her solution here. She spends years working for a serious, respectable media outlet, feeling that she's being lied to everyday. So, rather than farking report on those lies, she keeps her mouth shut, draws a paycheck for a few more years, and on her way out the goddamned door tells the world "Oh, hey, everything I've been doing these past 14 years was basically a sham. Lates." And she starts a goddamned blog.

And let's be clear: this isn't some nobody off-air staffer with no opportunity to effect the conversation. The woman was the host of a farking news show.

She had a soapbox already, the twit, and given the choice, every day, to tell truth to power or parrot the lies, she chose to be part of the problem.
2012-08-24 12:13:55 PM  

Juvenihilist: So, rather than farking report on those lies

You can't just call them liars on national radio even if it's obvious they're lying unless you have actual evidence. That's the "beauty" of political spin. You can lie in a way that's almost impossible to prove. And when every single politician is doing it, and when one half of the politicians have an army of their own personal media lackeys to help them, there's not enough time. People shouldn't have to have obvious, blatant lies point out to them. You can't fault the media for the fact that people are just stupidly accepting any dumbass thing politicians say, there's no way they can do the actual digging AND hand-hold a nation of morons who have zero critical thinking skills of their own.

That said, NPR can get pretty awesome at times, especially when Steve Inskeep starts getting testy with people he thinks are feeding him a line of shiat. I swear that at one point during his Michael Steele interview it sounded like Steele was just about ready to pop him one for not just regurgitating the GOP talking points on Medicare.
2012-08-24 12:45:56 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Muta: Hey Journalists,

If you don't want to be lied to then start calling politician out for lying. To have credibility you need to call out politicians whose positions you support as well as those with whom you disagree. When you call out the political for lying, provide proof and cited sources that show the politician lied. Become a credible source for information instead of the stooges that you allow yourself to be. It is the journalists who turned their profession into the joke that it is today. Now stop whinning and do some real reporting.

Thank you,


I like their excuse that they can't throw down on Congress because then Congresspeople won't give them access. Fine. Go back to reporting and finding access then.

And access to what exactly?

It's a BS excuse that sounds better than, "Yeah, I'm really just a whore, a bought and paid for PR flack who is more afraid of unemployment than journalistic ideals."

Somehow Woodward & Bernstein found plenty of access back in the day.
2012-08-24 01:00:18 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: You can't fault the media for the fact that people are just stupidly accepting any dumbass thing politicians say, there's no way they can do the actual digging AND hand-hold a nation of morons who have zero critical thinking skills of their own.

If only there were some sort of engine that could be used to search through previous and current statements made by politicians and then be able to compare those statements against actual facts. That might even be more useful than flying cars.
2012-08-24 01:02:09 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Journalism's kinda scary
And of it we should be wary
Wonder what became of Mary?


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2012-08-24 01:33:14 PM  
"I realized that there is a part of covering Congress, if you're doing daily coverage, that is actually sort of colluding with the politicians themselves because so much of what I was doing was actually recording and playing what they say or repeating what they say," Seabrook told POLITICO.

Poor lady is so helpless. If only there was something she could do about it!
2012-08-24 01:50:53 PM  
I feel like I am, as a reporter in the Capitol, lied to every day, all day. There is so little genuine discussion going on with the reporters. ... To me, as a reporter, everything is spin."

Wait a minute... did the writer major in journalism in college? 'cause he certainly writes like a newbie, dthe gameude, they all lie. It's all in the game, dawg!
2012-08-24 04:42:21 PM  

Dude, I been lied to since the very first day I stepped through the doors of journalism school. The only thing they didn't lie about was that when I graduated I was not going to go to work for Reuters right off the hop, and that I'd spend many years working for peanuts and getting kicked around by the bosses before I started making a living wage. Even now, where I'm not working with politics but working instead with marketers, it's the same.

Every politician tells untruths. The job of a journalist is to pick out the truth between all the lies. Preferably, you can frame the truth within all the deliberate lies and show up the politician, because making a politician look like a twatwaffle is perhaps the most entertaining part of the job. (Bonus points if they yank you into their office and accuse you of partisan writing.)
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