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(Politico)   "I feel like I am, as a reporter in the Capitol, lied to every day, all day"   (politico.com) divider line 64
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2012-08-24 08:06:44 AM  
Well...that's because you are
 
2012-08-24 08:07:23 AM  
The reporter could just ask the question:

"Are you lying to me right now?"
 
2012-08-24 08:13:44 AM  
LOL, that's some pretty strict criteria. Ever walk through a mall, watch TV, or sign up for a 'discount' cable package. You're lied to everywhere, all the time.

God Bless America, land of Christian values.
 
2012-08-24 08:14:03 AM  
Holy shiat, is this a new dawn of responsible journalism?
 
2012-08-24 08:15:41 AM  
It could be worse. He could be attached to the Romney campaign and get lied to at the quantum level.

johnnyrocket: The reporter could just ask the question:

"Are you lying to me right now?"


And then the reporter never gets another interview again. You would need them all to do it, all at once, for it to have any effect. And if life has taught me anything, it's that one network would give softball interviews and get everyone while the other networks struggle, and then tout themselves as the only place one can get good news.
 
2012-08-24 08:15:54 AM  

starsrift: Holy shiat, is this a new dawn of responsible journalism?


Journalism is responsible to one thing: shareholders.
 
2012-08-24 08:18:47 AM  
Also, what these guys do isn't journalism, it's stenography.
 
2012-08-24 08:19:38 AM  

starsrift: Holy shiat, is this a new dawn of responsible journalism?


Not if she doesn't get access to the congressweasels it's not.
 
2012-08-24 08:19:57 AM  
Journalism's kinda scary
And of it we should be wary
Wonder what became of Mary?
 
2012-08-24 08:20:46 AM  

starsrift: Holy shiat, is this a new dawn of responsible journalism?


No.

They get away with lying because people want to be lied to. It's all fun and games to blame the media for being a bunch of useless patsies, but they wouldn't be that way if it weren't profitable and the reason it's profitable is that it's what the viewers/listeners want.

The fundamental problem with this country is that a vast swatch of the population is lazy and ignorant and chooses to stay that way. Until you fix that, you aren't fixing any of the problems with our political system and that includes journalism that covers it.

How do you fix that? Fark if I know. Start encouraging everybody below the Mason Dixon line to take up dangerous hobbies with protective gear, maybe.
 
2012-08-24 08:22:03 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: How do you fix that? Fark if I know. Start encouraging everybody below the Mason Dixon line to take up dangerous hobbies withwithout protective gear, maybe.


Derp.

Sorry, I've been riding a motorcycle with a helmet at high speeds on the interstate as a hobby....

/ without...
// without a helmet
 
2012-08-24 08:22:19 AM  

meat0918: It could be worse. He could be attached to the Romney campaign and get lied to at the quantum level.

johnnyrocket: The reporter could just ask the question:

"Are you lying to me right now?"

And then the reporter never gets another interview again. You would need them all to do it, all at once, for it to have any effect. And if life has taught me anything, it's that one network would give softball interviews and get everyone while the other networks struggle, and then tout themselves as the only place one can get good news.


This.

Insatiable Jesus: starsrift: Holy shiat, is this a new dawn of responsible journalism?

Journalism is responsible to one thing: shareholders.


And also this.
 
2012-08-24 08:24:10 AM  

johnnyrocket: The reporter could just ask the question:

"Are you lying to me right now?"


But if the response was "yes" it would make the reporter's head explode.
 
2012-08-24 08:24:51 AM  

Gulper Eel: starsrift: Holy shiat, is this a new dawn of responsible journalism?

Not if she doesn't get access to the congressweasels it's not.


Yeah, they just wont grant the organization any access. They sewed up the media a looooong time ago.
 
2012-08-24 08:26:17 AM  

johnnyrocket: The reporter could just ask the question:

"Are you lying to me right now?"


GOP response: "I have already released documents clearly showing I was not lying in 2010."

Democrat response: "It depends on what the definition of "are" is."
 
2012-08-24 08:30:22 AM  
Your job is to listen to what the candidate says, then attempt to verify it, and print the results.

Or at least that's what it should be.
 
2012-08-24 08:31:10 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Gulper Eel: starsrift: Holy shiat, is this a new dawn of responsible journalism?

Not if she doesn't get access to the congressweasels it's not.

Yeah, they just wont grant the organization any access. They sewed up the media a looooong time ago.


That's funny, because without access, all that's left for a news organization is speculation. When speculation is all that you have, sometimes it gets wild and a bit out of hand with inaccurate statements and even crazy conspiracy theories. And what is the stock and trade of the most popular news organization? Hey, I'm just asking questions here.
 
2012-08-24 08:35:05 AM  

Gulper Eel: starsrift: Holy shiat, is this a new dawn of responsible journalism?

Not if she doesn't get access to the congressweasels it's not.


Doesn't sound much like she cares about getting access to the congresscritters directly; just being part of the press pool and actually thinking about what's said. At least, that's my take on the TFA, it's kind of scruffy about her intended methodology.
And if she gets a following, that's a power in its own right, as far as that goes.


Insatiable Jesus: Journalism is responsible to one thing: shareholders.


Doesn't look like she needs shareholders. Did you RTFA?


Vegan Meat Popsicle: starsrift: Holy shiat, is this a new dawn of responsible journalism?

No... ...[people are dumb]...


Maybe. :(
 
2012-08-24 08:39:57 AM  
I love politico's comments section. Cue the parade of old, obese right wingers who never listen to NPR chiming in with an endless stream of ""Hurr hurr...NPR lies to me every day". This is why there's no conservative Daily Show.
 
2012-08-24 08:43:42 AM  

Insatiable Jesus: starsrift: Holy shiat, is this a new dawn of responsible journalism?

Journalism is responsible to one thing: shareholders.


You are making me agree with you. Stop that!
 
2012-08-24 08:46:01 AM  

yeegrek: I love politico's comments section. Cue the parade of old, obese right wingers who never listen to NPR chiming in with an endless stream of ""Hurr hurr...NPR lies to me every day". This is why there's no conservative Daily Show.


Which is amusing because I just got done listening to a piece they did that was gave a pretty critical look at the political convention spending and, especially, how the democratic convention is getting out of hand again even though it was supposed to be a year that reined in corporate influence.
 
2012-08-24 08:50:40 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: How do you fix that? Fark if I know. Start encouraging everybody below the Mason Dixon line to take up dangerous hobbies with protective gear, maybe.


Hey, you leave us MDers out of this! We're doing okay down here!
 
2012-08-24 08:50:42 AM  

starsrift: Insatiable Jesus: Journalism is responsible to one thing: shareholders.

Doesn't look like she needs shareholders. Did you RTFA?



I mean mainstream media. We are not going to podcast our way out of this problem.
 
2012-08-24 08:56:13 AM  
I agree with everything she says, but I don't think her project will get much traction -- as it isn't designed to make money. That's what dominates the media today, profitability.
 
2012-08-24 08:57:20 AM  

Insatiable Jesus: starsrift: Holy shiat, is this a new dawn of responsible journalism?

Journalism is responsible to one thing: shareholders.


and their marketing demographic.
 
2012-08-24 09:01:48 AM  
Hey Journalists,

If you don't want to be lied to then start calling politician out for lying. To have credibility you need to call out politicians whose positions you support as well as those with whom you disagree. When you call out the political for lying, provide proof and cited sources that show the politician lied. Become a credible source for information instead of the stooges that you allow yourself to be. It is the journalists who turned their profession into the joke that it is today. Now stop whinning and do some real reporting.

Thank you,

Muta
 
2012-08-24 09:08:43 AM  

Joe Six-Keg: Insatiable Jesus: starsrift: Holy shiat, is this a new dawn of responsible journalism?

Journalism is responsible to one thing: shareholders.

And also this.


While that may be true, those two things are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
 
2012-08-24 09:09:23 AM  

Muta: Hey Journalists,

If you don't want to be lied to then start calling politician out for lying. To have credibility you need to call out politicians whose positions you support as well as those with whom you disagree. When you call out the political for lying, provide proof and cited sources that show the politician lied. Become a credible source for information instead of the stooges that you allow yourself to be. It is the journalists who turned their profession into the joke that it is today. Now stop whinning and do some real reporting.

Thank you,

Muta



I like their excuse that they can't throw down on Congress because then Congresspeople won't give them access. Fine. Go back to reporting and finding access then.

And access to what exactly?

It's a BS excuse that sounds better than, "Yeah, I'm really just a whore, a bought and paid for PR flack who is more afraid of unemployment than journalistic ideals."
 
2012-08-24 09:12:39 AM  
I wish her all the luck in the world but I doubt it's going to help much.
 
2012-08-24 09:12:47 AM  

Muta: Hey Journalists,

If you don't want to be lied to then start calling politician out for lying. To have credibility you need to call out politicians whose positions you support as well as those with whom you disagree. When you call out the political for lying, provide proof and cited sources that show the politician lied. Become a credible source for information instead of the stooges that you allow yourself to be. It is the journalists who turned their profession into the joke that it is today. Now stop whinning and do some real reporting.

Thank you,

Muta


And then the people you call out stop talking to you and everyone who saw what you did stops talking to you too and... well, you're not much of a reporter once that happens.

/not saying I'm happy about it, but there is a legitimate reason why reporters aren't usually combative.
 
2012-08-24 09:13:46 AM  
So that's where she went, I've been missing her voice.
 
2012-08-24 09:14:51 AM  

Insatiable Jesus: And access to what exactly?


Themselves. Guess who never gets called on at the press conference? It's not a BS excuse. It happens in all lines of reporting
 
2012-08-24 09:17:28 AM  

Insatiable Jesus: Muta: Hey Journalists,

If you don't want to be lied to then start calling politician out for lying. To have credibility you need to call out politicians whose positions you support as well as those with whom you disagree. When you call out the political for lying, provide proof and cited sources that show the politician lied. Become a credible source for information instead of the stooges that you allow yourself to be. It is the journalists who turned their profession into the joke that it is today. Now stop whinning and do some real reporting.

Thank you,

Muta


I like their excuse that they can't throw down on Congress because then Congresspeople won't give them access. Fine. Go back to reporting and finding access then.

And access to what exactly?

It's a BS excuse that sounds better than, "Yeah, I'm really just a whore, a bought and paid for PR flack who is more afraid of unemployment than journalistic ideals."


The politician's schedule. If they never grant you an interview, you have to resort to either cornering them on the street (not likely to get you anything other than nothing or an angry response - which riles up the folks, but is just O'Keefey) or following their activities (not stalking, but reporting on their votes and meetings).

If you're a well-known enough person, eventually you'll reach some sort of detente, but the more well-known are generally in that situation for working well within the "rules".

So some of it is getting along just to get along, and some of it is laziness. And, I think, some of them think journalism is dutifully reporting only on "he said-she said" and anything else is for the tabloids and Glenn Beck. Fact-chacking shows your biases, you see, and biases are incompatible with journalism (except for biases that favor American Exceptionalism, mom, baseball, apple pie, flags, the Founding Fathers...you get my point).
 
2012-08-24 09:17:44 AM  
Insatiable Jesus: I like their excuse that they can't throw down on Congress because then Congresspeople won't give them access. Fine. Go back to reporting and finding access then.

And access to what exactly?

It's a BS excuse that sounds better than, "Yeah, I'm really just a whore, a bought and paid for PR flack who is more afraid of unemployment than journalistic ideals."

If you have credibility then you get access. Terry Gross had great interview with Karl Rove. If you asked 'gottcha' questions then the big name politicians will avoid you.
 
2012-08-24 09:18:29 AM  
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2012-08-24 09:21:28 AM  

theknuckler_33: And then the people you call out stop talking to you and everyone who saw what you did stops talking to you too and... well, you're not much of a reporter once that happens.


You can get your interviews. You just have to do your homework. "Hi Congressman ..., I am writing a story on ... In it we are saying ... because in 2011 you voted ... Would you like to clarify your position?"
 
2012-08-24 09:26:34 AM  
Reporters simply need to follow-up every answer they get with "I don't believe you". Alternately, the reporters could mime stroking the air in the traditional "I'd prefer to masturbate than here this BS" gesture.

/I'd post an animated GIF for this but I can't google it at work
 
2012-08-24 09:28:36 AM  

Insatiable Jesus: Muta: Hey Journalists,

If you don't want to be lied to then start calling politician out for lying. To have credibility you need to call out politicians whose positions you support as well as those with whom you disagree. When you call out the political for lying, provide proof and cited sources that show the politician lied. Become a credible source for information instead of the stooges that you allow yourself to be. It is the journalists who turned their profession into the joke that it is today. Now stop whinning and do some real reporting.

Thank you,

Muta


I like their excuse that they can't throw down on Congress because then Congresspeople won't give them access. Fine. Go back to reporting and finding access then.

And access to what exactly?

It's a BS excuse that sounds better than, "Yeah, I'm really just a whore, a bought and paid for PR flack who is more afraid of unemployment than journalistic ideals."


That. What the fark kind of "journalist" are you when you have to be "granted access". Hound em. Constantly. If they won't give you an interview, devote airtime to that. Devote airtime to picking apart EVERY interview they ARE doing as being pure fluff. Ask open questions of them on air. Open letters. Daily requests on-air to have a half hour conversation with them.

Then, when you get that, don't just softball them anyway because you're milquetoast, but push and push and push.

But as you said, that's not why they play this game. They play it because it's super-farking easy. It's cheap and it pays the bills just as well as doing real journalism. When effort gives you diminishing returns, people will start putting forth minimal effort.
 
2012-08-24 09:29:07 AM  
This is amerika you rube reporter. It's built on lies and built out of lies.

It's the the united states of "we can't handle the truth".

We are the wimps of the world.
 
2012-08-24 09:35:59 AM  

mrshowrules: Reporters simply need to follow-up every answer they get with "I don't believe you". Alternately, the reporters could mime stroking the air in the traditional "I'd prefer to masturbate than here this BS" gesture.

/I'd post an animated GIF for this but I can't google it at work


We need a news media that is not part of the parasitic 1%.

When a Texas millionaire like Dan Rather is considered to be part of the left wing media your media is a joke and biased so far to the right that you are probably a doomed country.

And sure enough one look at out economy shows we are doomed.
 
2012-08-24 09:40:55 AM  
Wanna scare the shiat out of the supposed tough guys in the military.

Show them a news camera. They'll curl up in the fetal position.

As CS Lewis noted we are one big bunch of cowards.
 
2012-08-24 09:42:08 AM  

BeesNuts: That. What the fark kind of "journalist" are you when you have to be "granted access".


Or fact check interviews with other reporters. It really doesn't matter to most who asks the question. If the politician is lying then report it as such. Just don't take the response out of context and don't be partisan.
 
2012-08-24 09:57:31 AM  

MacEnvy: Vegan Meat Popsicle: How do you fix that? Fark if I know. Start encouraging everybody below the Mason Dixon line to take up dangerous hobbies with protective gear, maybe.

Hey, you leave us MDers out of this! We're doing okay down here!


Yeah!
We're confused but we're ok.

/MDers makes us sound like we're smart or something
¦^]
 
2012-08-24 10:05:08 AM  

Muta: If you have credibility then you get access. Terry Gross had great interview with Karl Rove. If you asked 'gottcha' questions then the big name politicians will avoid you.


OK. Sounds like the relationship most of the press had with the Govt during the 60s. So what if Congresswoman Rottencrotch doesn't call on you when you raise your hand? Go about your job and wait for one of her enemies on the Hill to call you later.
 
2012-08-24 10:16:53 AM  

Muta: theknuckler_33: And then the people you call out stop talking to you and everyone who saw what you did stops talking to you too and... well, you're not much of a reporter once that happens.

You can get your interviews. You just have to do your homework. "Hi Congressman ..., I am writing a story on ... In it we are saying ... because in 2011 you voted ... Would you like to clarify your position?"


Yes, access is a two way street. The media needs politicians so they can get stories. But politicians also need the media if they want stories disseminated to the public. It's just that TV news has become a profit machine and no one is willing to risk profit by saying "We won't blindly read your talking points if you won't talk to us."
 
2012-08-24 10:27:50 AM  
I saw Anderson Cooper last night try to get Debbie Wasserman-Schultz to admit that she misquoted an LA times article to mislead people she sent a donation email to. He tried hard for 5 minutes and she still wouldn't buckle even after he read the quote and her email. Made her look foolish. At first I was kind of angry that he pressed her so hard but then I realized I was mad because she was a Dem. (as am I) and I had never heard him press a Rep. that hard. Then it occurred to me, this is what needs to be done all the time. This is what I want from our jounalists. I then got mad at her for being intentionally derpish and myself for thinking that the derp was ok because it was on 'my side'. Damnit if I didn't feel a little smarter after that interview.
 
2012-08-24 10:28:31 AM  

odinsposse: Yes, access is a two way street. The media needs politicians so they can get stories. But politicians also need the media if they want stories disseminated to the public. It's just that TV news has become a profit machine and no one is willing to risk profit by saying "We won't blindly read your talking points if you won't talk to us."


This. This is what I was trying to say. I think. Thanks.
 
2012-08-24 10:32:41 AM  
Ever since Fox News officially became the PR agent for the Republican Party, there's a mis-perception among the rest of the news media that if you actually criticize or contradict what an elected official tells you in order to better report TRUTH and FACTS to the viewing public, you are somehow taking sides politically.

They have forgotten that it is perfectly OK (and in fact the real job of journalists) to provide context and hold up facts and truth for comparisson to what the subject of the news coverage is saying.
 
2012-08-24 10:34:52 AM  
"I feel like I am, as a reporter in the Capitol, lied to every day, all day"

And what are you doing about it besides complaining?
 
2012-08-24 10:43:08 AM  

lilbjorn: "I feel like I am, as a reporter in the Capitol, lied to every day, all day"

And what are you doing about it besides complaining?


This. What stops a reporter from saying:

1) that isn't true
2) baloney
3) that is factually wrong
4) you are lying
5) bullshiat
...

If a reporter is being lied to everyday they should be saying something like these examples everyday also
 
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