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(Bleacher Report)   Don't look now but there's actually a pennant race going on in the AL East   (bleacherreport.com) divider line 59
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2012-08-24 09:57:21 AM  
TFA: Have the Yankees been playing poorly, or have the Rays been that good?

Not poorly, but not great either (12-9 in August), and yes.
 
2012-08-24 10:21:44 AM  

ThatGuyGreg: TFA: Have the Yankees been playing poorly, or have the Rays been that good?

Not poorly, but not great either (12-9 in August), and yes.


It's kind of impressive that the Yankees have been 12-9 with all of the injuries they've had.
 
2012-08-24 11:44:21 AM  

neritz: ThatGuyGreg: TFA: Have the Yankees been playing poorly, or have the Rays been that good?

Not poorly, but not great either (12-9 in August), and yes.

It's kind of impressive that the Yankees have been 12-9 with all of the injuries they've had.


They need to get the starting pitching back.
 
2012-08-24 11:55:29 AM  
The O's are still in the mix also surprisingly.
 
2012-08-24 12:08:21 PM  
Football season is about to start, and the Orioles are still in contention! This has never happened since I've been old enough to follow sports, so I don't even know what to think...

/3rd grade in '97
 
2012-08-24 12:09:39 PM  

neritz: ThatGuyGreg: TFA: Have the Yankees been playing poorly, or have the Rays been that good?

Not poorly, but not great either (12-9 in August), and yes.

It's kind of impressive that the Yankees have been 12-9 with all of the injuries they've had.


The thing about the Yankees is that money can't win it, but it can sure help erase mistakes and forget injuries. Sign a free agent and he's horrible after just a year? Most teams suffer for it, but the Yankees can just turn around and sign someone else the next year. Your MLB starter goes down to an injury? You can trade a few prospects from your heavily stocked system to get someone serviceable until the end of the year.

The Yankees turned back into a dynasty when George Steinbrenner stopped meddling. I'm sure he still had some influence and hovered, but it was pretty clear he outright ran things in the late 70's and 80's
 
2012-08-24 12:12:47 PM  
Would anything be sweeter in the 1st year of the new wildcard rules than the Yankees getting edged out by TB in the division race, going to the 1-game playoff for the wildcard, and losing?
 
2012-08-24 12:15:00 PM  
 
2012-08-24 12:21:37 PM  
Can someone please tell me where on Bleacher Report they have hidden the full MLB standings?
 
2012-08-24 12:22:41 PM  

mjones73: The O's are still in the mix also surprisingly.


I would love to see the O's make it. They haven't been since 1997 I think.

I spent the mid 90s in the Hampton Roads area and, before the Nats, we got all the O's games. So by dint of O'smosis (see what I did there?), I developed into a quasi O's fan.


hp6sa: Would anything be sweeter in the 1st year of the new wildcard rules than the Yankees getting edged out by TB in the division race, going to the 1-game playoff for the wildcard, and losing?


i was saying a couple days ago, had the Wild Wild Card existed last year, the Red Sox would have played the Rays. As badly as the Red Sox season ended (speaking of the O's, it was they that knocked the Sox out on the last game of the season) they would have the one-game playoff.
 
2012-08-24 12:27:17 PM  

Balchinian: Can someone please tell me where on Bleacher Report they have hidden the full MLB standings?


Apparently, you think Bleacher Report has something other than poorly written articles by uninformed high schoolers.

Well, I've got bad news for you...
 
2012-08-24 12:29:53 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Balchinian: Can someone please tell me where on Bleacher Report they have hidden the full MLB standings?

Apparently, you think Bleacher Report has something other than poorly written articles by uninformed high schoolers.

Well, I've got bad news for you...


Yeah, I know...my post was sarcasm. I probably should have indicated that, but I figured it was obvious.
 
2012-08-24 12:36:54 PM  

Balchinian: DeWayne Mann: Balchinian: Can someone please tell me where on Bleacher Report they have hidden the full MLB standings?

Apparently, you think Bleacher Report has something other than poorly written articles by uninformed high schoolers.

Well, I've got bad news for you...

Yeah, I know...my post was sarcasm. I probably should have indicated that, but I figured it was obvious.


You'd be surprised how many people still think BR is a legitimate site, especially since the TBS purchase.
 
2012-08-24 12:44:21 PM  

M AGRIPPA L F COS TERTIVM SCRIBIT: Football season is about to start, and the Orioles are still in contention! This has never happened since I've been old enough to follow sports, so I don't even know what to think...

/3rd grade in '97


Yeah usually by now we are ready for the Ravens, I don't know what to do with myself.

I was in a mall in Delaware last week (which is typically Phillies territory) and there was a crap load of people wearing O's gear, I was quite amused.
 
2012-08-24 12:45:51 PM  

Gunny Highway: neritz: ThatGuyGreg: TFA: Have the Yankees been playing poorly, or have the Rays been that good?

Not poorly, but not great either (12-9 in August), and yes.

It's kind of impressive that the Yankees have been 12-9 with all of the injuries they've had.

They need to get the starting pitching back.


Good luck with all that.

Nova has just been placed on the DL with an inflamed right rotator cuff. It'll clear room for Sabathia to return, but elbow inflamation is a pretty serious red-flag, says Tommy John.
 
2012-08-24 12:46:50 PM  
Can't believe they couldn't take one--ONE--flippin' game from the White Sox....

/Go Tigers
 
2012-08-24 12:48:22 PM  

hp6sa: Would anything be sweeter in the 1st year of the new wildcard rules than the Yankees getting edged out by TB in the division race, going to the 1-game playoff for the wildcard, and losing?


Only if the Yankees barely edged out the Red Sox for the Wild Card spot.
 
2012-08-24 01:15:53 PM  

hp6sa: Would anything be sweeter in the 1st year of the new wildcard rules than the Yankees getting edged out by TB in the division race, going to the 1-game playoff for the wildcard, and losing?


How about the Yankees not making the playoffs at all?
 
2012-08-24 01:21:41 PM  
I knew it. GO Sox!
(and by "Go", I mean "GO" hire Joe Maddon away from Tampa Bay and GO get John Farrell back as the pitching coach and GO get Girardi and Schowalter thrown in jail or something.)
 
2012-08-24 01:27:17 PM  
The Yankees are about to play bad teams in Cleveland and Toronto - I have to hope that they'll do well enough to put some breathing room against Tampa, who will play good teams in Oakland and Texas.
 
2012-08-24 01:33:02 PM  
I'm just happy that the Orioles are still in the mix. It's been a long time in the wilderness.

///Would love to see an O's/Nats series

//// How 'bout dem O's hon !
 
2012-08-24 01:38:06 PM  
FTA: However, by getting swept by the Chicago White Sox this week, they proved that they can be dominant, but lately it has been in streaks.

What?
 
2012-08-24 01:57:56 PM  
You have looked at a Bleacher Report article on the Tampa Bay Rays for 13 seconds and have just read past the byline and first image. They are clearly your favorite baseball team. Would you like subscribe to regular, poorly written updates?
HELL YES!!! no thanks 
 
2012-08-24 02:10:34 PM  
Yeah...

/kicks dirt
//Blue Jays fan
 
2012-08-24 02:21:27 PM  
Not that it means anything right now, but the Dodgers were awarded the waiver claim on Adrian Gonzalez.
 
2012-08-24 02:25:21 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Not that it means anything right now, but the Dodgers were awarded the waiver claim on Adrian Gonzalez.


Interesting.
 
2012-08-24 02:31:45 PM  

idesofmarch: The Yankees are about to play bad teams in Cleveland and Toronto - I have to hope that they'll do well enough to put some breathing room against Tampa, who will play good teams in Oakland and Texas.


This.
 
2012-08-24 02:40:38 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Not that it means anything right now, but the Dodgers were awarded the waiver claim on Adrian Gonzalez.


1) surprised he was even listed (knowing how BS the wiaver wire is
2) would be awesome if he returned to SoCal.
3) but bad for my Snakes.
 
2012-08-24 02:42:07 PM  

4NTLRZ:
Good luck with all that.

Nova has just been placed on the DL with an inflamed right rotator cuff. It'll clear room for Sabathia to return, but elbow inflamation is a pretty serious red-flag, says Tommy John.


Nova is going to miss two starts; they said he had to miss one, and going on the IR so they can get a replacement starter with the result of missing one more game is nothing.
 
2012-08-24 02:42:08 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Not that it means anything right now, but the Dodgers were awarded the waiver claim on Adrian Gonzalez.


My prediction: the Sox trade Gonzalez to the Dodgers for some 30 year old pitcher in AA with a sparkling ERA but terrible peripherals. They shut down Ortiz for the year, moving Pedroia to DH and going with the unstoppable Mauro Gomez/Pedro Ciriaco/Nick Punto/Danny Valenica infield for the rest of the year. They win out, barely getting the last wild card spot, but lose the one game playoff. Bobby V & Cherington get lifetime contracts. I've long since killed myself.
 
2012-08-24 02:42:53 PM  

rickythepenguin: 1) surprised he was even listed (knowing how BS the wiaver wire is


I don't know why this needs to be said every year, but

EVERY PLAYER IS PUT ON WAIVERS AT SOME POINT IN AUGUST
 
2012-08-24 02:50:51 PM  

neritz: ThatGuyGreg: TFA: Have the Yankees been playing poorly, or have the Rays been that good?

Not poorly, but not great either (12-9 in August), and yes.

It's kind of impressive that the Yankees have been 12-9 with all of the injuries they've had.


Injury seems to be a common theme in the AL East right now, so you can't really use that as an excuse.

The Blue Jays have 13 players on IR
The Orioles have 11
The Yankees have 11
The Sox have 10

Meanwhile the Rays only have 3 currently on IR. Over the course of the season, I believe the Jays and Orioles have had the most injured players in the East with the Yankees a bit behind them. Of course the Yankees and Sox injuries are the ones that get the airtime on ESPN, so people must think they are the only team with injuries.

Random fact: Wei-Yin Chen is the only starter that the Orioles has who has pitched the entire season and Chen and Tommy Hunter are the only ones that were in the rotation on Opening day.
 
2012-08-24 03:08:17 PM  

skrame: FTA: However, by getting swept by the Chicago White Sox this week, they proved that they can be dominant, but lately it has been in streaks.

What?


I had to read that twice as well. It's just a poorly written sentence.

// was at game 2 of that series
/// Yoooouuuuuk!!!
 
2012-08-24 03:24:45 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Yanks_RSJ: Not that it means anything right now, but the Dodgers were awarded the waiver claim on Adrian Gonzalez.

My prediction: the Sox trade Gonzalez to the Dodgers for some 30 year old pitcher in AA with a sparkling ERA but terrible peripherals. They shut down Ortiz for the year, moving Pedroia to DH and going with the unstoppable Mauro Gomez/Pedro Ciriaco/Nick Punto/Danny Valenica infield for the rest of the year. They win out, barely getting the last wild card spot, but lose the one game playoff. Bobby V & Cherington get lifetime contracts. I've long since killed myself.


If all they do is reject the claim and make a deal in the winter, forcing LA to take Beckett or Lackey at the same time, it's a win. We can get last place in the AL East next year on a much lower payroll while rebuilding. I don't expect to see much Beckett, Lackey, Crawford, Ellsbury, or Gonzalez next year.
Same ticket prices, though.
 
2012-08-24 03:40:09 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: DeWayne Mann: Yanks_RSJ: Not that it means anything right now, but the Dodgers were awarded the waiver claim on Adrian Gonzalez.

My prediction: the Sox trade Gonzalez to the Dodgers for some 30 year old pitcher in AA with a sparkling ERA but terrible peripherals. They shut down Ortiz for the year, moving Pedroia to DH and going with the unstoppable Mauro Gomez/Pedro Ciriaco/Nick Punto/Danny Valenica infield for the rest of the year. They win out, barely getting the last wild card spot, but lose the one game playoff. Bobby V & Cherington get lifetime contracts. I've long since killed myself.

If all they do is reject the claim and make a deal in the winter, forcing LA to take Beckett or Lackey at the same time, it's a win. We can get last place in the AL East next year on a much lower payroll while rebuilding. I don't expect to see much Beckett, Lackey, Crawford, Ellsbury, or Gonzalez next year.
Same ticket prices, though.


Who the hell do you expect to take all those salary dumps? Crawford has 5 years and 100m+ left. Lackey for 2yr/30.5m, Beckett for 2yr/31.5m, Gonzalez for 6yr/126m (all of these are remaining after this season). Gonzalez is exceptionally talented and performing; tradable but you won't get value. Ellsbury has been underperforming going into an arbitration year; expect him back needing to have a contract year.

Expect the same team next year with a slight turnover.
 
2012-08-24 03:45:05 PM  

Droog8912: Lackey for 2yr/30.5m


Lackey's a bit more interesting than that. Because he missed this year, his contract now contains a TEAM option for 2015 @ the major league minimum (so, roughly 500k). That essentially makes the contract 3/31, lowering the luxury cap hit.
 
2012-08-24 04:12:57 PM  

Droog8912: Nana's Vibrator: DeWayne Mann: Yanks_RSJ: Not that it means anything right now, but the Dodgers were awarded the waiver claim on Adrian Gonzalez.

My prediction: the Sox trade Gonzalez to the Dodgers for some 30 year old pitcher in AA with a sparkling ERA but terrible peripherals. They shut down Ortiz for the year, moving Pedroia to DH and going with the unstoppable Mauro Gomez/Pedro Ciriaco/Nick Punto/Danny Valenica infield for the rest of the year. They win out, barely getting the last wild card spot, but lose the one game playoff. Bobby V & Cherington get lifetime contracts. I've long since killed myself.

If all they do is reject the claim and make a deal in the winter, forcing LA to take Beckett or Lackey at the same time, it's a win. We can get last place in the AL East next year on a much lower payroll while rebuilding. I don't expect to see much Beckett, Lackey, Crawford, Ellsbury, or Gonzalez next year.
Same ticket prices, though.

Who the hell do you expect to take all those salary dumps? Crawford has 5 years and 100m+ left. Lackey for 2yr/30.5m, Beckett for 2yr/31.5m, Gonzalez for 6yr/126m (all of these are remaining after this season). Gonzalez is exceptionally talented and performing; tradable but you won't get value. Ellsbury has been underperforming going into an arbitration year; expect him back needing to have a contract year.

Expect the same team next year with a slight turnover.


In my mind, if done right, taking Gonzalez and Ellsbury, who still have value, will warrant the recipient having to take on one of the bad contracts, with a negotiation between the Red Sox and the recipients as to how much of the contracts the Red Sox will have to pay. Maybe Crawford is not movable, but you've just seen today that Gonzalez can be sent packing.
 
2012-08-24 04:15:11 PM  
Lost in all this, is the fact that Fernando Rodney is a Carlos Pena throwing error away from having 40 saves in 41 opportunities. The pitching staff from top to bottom is by far the best in the majors. Best manager and front office in all the land. I'm starting to get spoiled. Maybe we've finally shaken off the Naimoli stink permanently.
10 years since this atrocity. 2002 Tampa Bay Devil Rays Batting, Pitching, & Fielding Statistics - Baseball Reference.com
 
2012-08-24 04:51:43 PM  

AnyDowners: Lost in all this, is the fact that Fernando Rodney is a Carlos Pena throwing error away from having 40 saves in 41 opportunities. The pitching staff from top to bottom is by far the best in the majors. Best manager and front office in all the land. I'm starting to get spoiled. Maybe we've finally shaken off the Naimoli stink permanently.
10 years since this atrocity. 2002 Tampa Bay Devil Rays Batting, Pitching, & Fielding Statistics - Baseball Reference.com


Ask any Brewers fan how quickly that can change.

RIP Axman
 
2012-08-24 04:54:35 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Droog8912: Lackey for 2yr/30.5m

Lackey's a bit more interesting than that. Because he missed this year, his contract now contains a TEAM option for 2015 @ the major league minimum (so, roughly 500k). That essentially makes the contract 3/31, lowering the luxury cap hit.


I thought that options were considered new contracts for luxury tax purposes - like, in this case, the luxury tax looks at the AAV of his 5/$82.5 contract for 2010-2014 and then in 2015, it considers Lackey to have a new, one year deal at $500k (assuming the option is picked up). Is that wrong?
 
2012-08-24 05:08:01 PM  

DeWayne Mann: EVERY PLAYER IS PUT ON WAIVERS AT SOME POINT IN AUGUST



I know which is why i said "how BS the waiver wire is". i seem to recall the Snakes putting Randy Johnson on the wire one year when he was good and we sucked, just to gauge interest. if not him then Webb or some shiat.
 
2012-08-24 05:20:40 PM  

Rex_Banner: I thought that options were considered new contracts for luxury tax purposes - like, in this case, the luxury tax looks at the AAV of his 5/$82.5 contract for 2010-2014 and then in 2015, it considers Lackey to have a new, one year deal at $500k (assuming the option is picked up). Is that wrong?


Options are really, really screwy.

Basically, as soon as they exercise the option (which, apparently, they can do a day after the World Series this year), the contract changes from 5/82.5 to 6/83. They'll then look back at the first three years of the deal and say "Oh, you accidentally were charged $16.5 in tax hit for each of these years. It clearly should've been 13.83!" and then they get a credit for future years (assuming a few other things happen) and then for 2014-2016 Lackey will be an $13.83 hit.

(WARNING: THE NEXT PARAGRAPH WILL BLOW YOUR MIND. I URGE YOU TO SKIP OVER IT ENTIRELY)

While I'm on the topic, that's why Scutaro was traded away this offseason. He signed a 2yr/10 million deal with a player option for $3 and a team option for $6. Because a player option was involved (and they're considered guaranteed money), his AAV for the first 2 seasons were 13/3=4.33. When scut declined the option, that meant the red sox had UNDERPAID for the first two years, because now his contract was 2/10 and the AAV should've been 5. So they would've been charged ~1.3 this year even if he was let go as a free agent. Instead, they triggered the team option for $6. Now the deal was 3/16. So the redsox were still undercharged for the first two years, as the AAV should've been 16/3=5.33333. That means the sox owed ~2 mil in 2012, plus another 5.333 because he was on the team, for an AAV of 7.3333 this season, despite only getting paid 6. So, he got shipped to the rockies, who took on his salary. I'm NOT sure if that means they took on all of his AAV, but it appears that they did.

(DON'T SAY I DIDN'T WARN YOU)

So, options are screwy.
 
2012-08-24 05:21:34 PM  

rickythepenguin: DeWayne Mann: EVERY PLAYER IS PUT ON WAIVERS AT SOME POINT IN AUGUST


I know which is why i said "how BS the waiver wire is". i seem to recall the Snakes putting Randy Johnson on the wire one year when he was good and we sucked, just to gauge interest. if not him then Webb or some shiat.


So why did you say you were surprised?

I mean, I'm 99% sure Mike Trout was put on waivers already. Does that surprise you too?
 
2012-08-24 05:32:04 PM  

DeWayne Mann: then for 2014-2016 Lackey will be an $13.83 hit.


Forgot to point out that this is true if the "other things" don't happen. If the other things DO happen, well, then he's worth closer to 13.83 minus whatever the credit it.
 
2012-08-24 05:32:18 PM  

degenerate-afro: Over the course of the season, I believe the Jays and Orioles have had the most injured players in the East with the Yankees a bit behind them.


To be fair, with the possible exception of Riemold all of Baltimore's current injuries have led to upgrades at their respective positions. ;)
 
2012-08-24 05:46:34 PM  

DeWayne Mann: So why did you say you were surprised?



I guess i should have said i'm surprised that they are putting a player who was a marquee FA acquistion what, one year ago, on the waiver wire but i'm not surprised as teams do stupid shiat iwth the waiver wire.
 
2012-08-24 05:46:49 PM  
Red Sox/Dodgers discussing trade involving A-Gon, Beckett, and Crawford, according to ESPN "sources."
 
2012-08-24 05:50:10 PM  

rickythepenguin: i'm surprised that they are putting a player who was a marquee FA acquistion what, one year ago, on the waiver wire


...

rickythepenguin: teams do stupid shiat iwth the waiver wire.


...

EVERY PLAYER IS PUT ON WAIVERS AT SOME POINT IN AUGUST

seriously. pretend i'm a 5 year old. explain to me what part of the bolded sentence doesn't make sense to you.

(also they traded for Agonz, then signed him to an extension, but whatever)

robsul82: Red Sox/Dodgers discussing trade involving A-Gon, Beckett, and Crawford, according to ESPN "sources."


Hey, you forgot to mention Punto! THEY'RE TRYING TO RUIN MY PLAN
 
2012-08-24 05:55:54 PM  

DeWayne Mann: seriously. pretend i'm a 5 year old. explain to me what part of the bolded sentence doesn't make sense to you.


ok, i guess since we're reeenacting the "EXACT WORDS, MARSHA! EXACT WORDS, GREG!" episode of brady bunch....let's the take the idiot train to morontow.....technically, not EVERY player is put on the waiver wire. HOW YA LIKE ME NOW?
 
2012-08-24 06:02:57 PM  

robsul82: Red Sox/Dodgers discussing trade involving A-Gon, Beckett, and Crawford, according to ESPN "sources."



*sigh*

which is one reason why I hate the ESPN feeding frenzy every 7/28 - 7/31. ZOMG THE TRADE DEADLINE DOTH APPROACH! WHO SELLS? WHO BUYS? WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?!?!?!?!?!

Yes, i know players have to clear waivers before being traded, but....the point is, trades still happen. but the annual jerkfest about the deadline is just stupid.
 
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