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(Huffington Post)   Producer brother of Westley from "Princess Bride" tweets about alleged "Marine" who began flight by f-bombing him and ends with magazine-licking, pregnant-woman fondling, vodka-hurling at Air Marshall melee   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 103
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2012-08-24 08:22:34 AM
Good story, in my opinion.

FTA: The 32-year-old told Elwes that his father killed his grandfather (who was a "bad man") and that he joined the Marines to quit drugs.

Wow.
 
2012-08-24 08:23:44 AM
Magazine-licking, pregnant-woman fondling, and vodka-hurling at Air Marshall melee cannot stop true love. All it can do is delay it for a while.
 
2012-08-24 08:41:22 AM

ArkAngel: Magazine-licking, pregnant-woman fondling, and vodka-hurling at Air Marshall melee cannot stop true love. All it can do is delay it for a while.


So much farking win.
 
2012-08-24 08:43:43 AM
That's a sad story. Interesting to get more info other than "crazy guy goes nuts on plane".
 
2012-08-24 08:46:15 AM
"I realize the point is these wars are farking with our children's minds. A whole generation is being sent home screwed up"

I am not saying he's wrong but here's an idea guys and gals...stop volunteering.
 
2012-08-24 08:49:18 AM
If this guy served, and is screwed up and on medication, cut him a damned break already. We broke him, we own him.
 
2012-08-24 08:49:40 AM

Red_Fox: "I realize the point is these wars are farking with our children's minds. A whole generation is being sent home screwed up"

I am not saying he's wrong but here's an idea guys and gals...stop volunteering.


That's fine, but when you're being forced to learn farsi under Sharia law, well, don't come crying to me.
 
2012-08-24 08:50:52 AM

Red_Fox: "I realize the point is these wars are farking with our children's minds. A whole generation is being sent home screwed up"

I am not saying he's wrong but here's an idea guys and gals...stop volunteering.


That's easy to say when you have other options.
 
2012-08-24 08:51:24 AM
I hope they try and get that guy help instead of locking him up for 20 years.
 
2012-08-24 08:51:24 AM

Red_Fox: "I realize the point is these wars are farking with our children's minds. A whole generation is being sent home screwed up"

I am not saying he's wrong but here's an idea guys and gals...stop volunteering.


By all means. Nobody volunteer to join the armed forces. BTW, police and firemen have many of the same problems so nobody volunteer for those jobs either. Social service workers see some pretty farked up shiat as well so we'll put those on the same list. Probably the same should go for doctors, nurses and EMS workers.

Welcome to your world of Quadricorns.
 
2012-08-24 08:51:36 AM
It is an interesting story. No one could figure out why he used twitter for this though.

But it is an interesting story of how harshly the mentally ill are treated when we should be getting them help.

In the late 80s, I had a mentally ill guy try to run me down (I was on a motorcycle, he was in his car). I "escaped" into a parking lot and he followed, and I could hear him screaming about the planes trying to get him. I got off the bike in a safer area and he went around colliding into things and all sorts of people tried to help me, and eventually he took off. Cops got him a couple of blocks away and told me I wasn't the only one he had chased.

At that time, everyone, me, cops, DA all agreed this guy was 100% insane and needed medical help more than jail time, but told me there was no way to get him that help without going through the criminal processing first.

/csb
 
2012-08-24 08:51:41 AM
I'm not sure where subby was headed with this headline.
 
2012-08-24 08:51:44 AM
Feel safer now, you pussies?

As Americans, if you aren't sickened by this, you have no sould left.
 
2012-08-24 08:51:49 AM
What's so hard about saying "Cary Elwes"? Is he that unknown outside 'Bride?
 
2012-08-24 08:53:19 AM

RoyBatty: But it is an interesting story of how harshly the mentally ill are treated when we should be getting them help


Going back and reading the article again, I can't blame the airline. They had no idea what they were dealing with. I hope the justice system can look at WHY he did this and realize jail is not the answer.
 
2012-08-24 08:53:50 AM
Sorry, but my BS detector would have been pegged. Pretty sure someone who gets kicked off an airplane for erratic behavior is probably capable of making up shiat like, "My dad killed my grandpa because he was a bad man LOL."

Elwes is gullible, and sounds pretty effete.
 
2012-08-24 08:56:23 AM

Red_Fox: "I realize the point is these wars are farking with our children's minds. A whole generation is being sent home screwed up"

I am not saying he's wrong but here's an idea guys and gals...stop volunteering.


How about we quit electing farking chickenhawks who exploit the soldier's trust and love of country for wars of profit & power rather than actual national security.
 
2012-08-24 08:58:43 AM
Used to be that this sort of behavior was inconceivable on an airplane!
 
2012-08-24 08:59:00 AM

Mentat: Red_Fox: "I realize the point is these wars are farking with our children's minds. A whole generation is being sent home screwed up"

I am not saying he's wrong but here's an idea guys and gals...stop volunteering.

That's easy to say when you have other options.


Shove more people into poverty and you get a never ending pool of desperation.

"Conservatives want live babies so they can train them to be dead soldiers. "

― George Carlin
 
2012-08-24 08:59:09 AM
Hmmm, I always thought the character's name was "Wesley".

/I stand corrected
 
2012-08-24 08:59:12 AM

MayoBoy: Red_Fox: "I realize the point is these wars are farking with our children's minds. A whole generation is being sent home screwed up"

I am not saying he's wrong but here's an idea guys and gals...stop volunteering.

By all means. Nobody volunteer to join the armed forces. BTW, police and firemen have many of the same problems so nobody volunteer for those jobs either. Social service workers see some pretty farked up shiat as well so we'll put those on the same list. Probably the same should go for doctors, nurses and EMS workers.

Welcome to your world of Quadricorns.


Most of the professions you listed have vastly different details like seeing your family daily, and risking life for positive outcomes to help your community (allegedly). There are vast employee assistance programs in place to offer all types of advice from financial, legal and psychological. From the day they start through retirement through death.

Service people, not so much. They're covered through service but after that it's a long trip through the VA, which can hardly handle the load of troubled service people they have now and these wars aren't stopping soon. It's not about not volunteering, never, it's about not volunteering until those in power offer some kind of security for the right of service people to go have their lives ruined to enrich people like Mitt Romney's kids, and grandkids and great grankids...oh and fight for freedoms. Can't forget the freedoms.
 
2012-08-24 08:59:15 AM

TanHamster: Sorry, but my BS detector would have been pegged. Pretty sure someone who gets kicked off an airplane for erratic behavior is probably capable of making up shiat like, "My dad killed my grandpa because he was a bad man LOL."

Elwes is gullible, and sounds pretty effete.


THIS

There's no evidence the guy was even in the military. He's just batsh*t crazy. And even if he WAS in the military the last time I checked plenty of war veterans fly on planes without licking magazines, groping women, and generally acting like an attention whore on bath salts.
 
2012-08-24 08:59:27 AM

RoyBatty: It is an interesting story. No one could figure out why he used twitter for this though.

But it is an interesting story of how harshly the mentally ill are treated when we should be getting them help.

In the late 80s, I had a mentally ill guy try to run me down (I was on a motorcycle, he was in his car). I "escaped" into a parking lot and he followed, and I could hear him screaming about the planes trying to get him. I got off the bike in a safer area and he went around colliding into things and all sorts of people tried to help me, and eventually he took off. Cops got him a couple of blocks away and told me I wasn't the only one he had chased.

At that time, everyone, me, cops, DA all agreed this guy was 100% insane and needed medical help more than jail time, but told me there was no way to get him that help without going through the criminal processing first.

/csb


Hey thanks for that, the distraction you caused was just enough for me to ditch those damned planes.
 
2012-08-24 08:59:35 AM

Red_Fox: "I realize the point is these wars are farking with our children's minds. A whole generation is being sent home screwed up"

I am not saying he's wrong but here's an idea guys and gals...stop volunteering.


The military is one of the best welfare programs the US has today. I joined myself, knowing that it wouldn't be pretty, to make my life better and to give myself some opportunities I wouldn't have otherwise. I might claim sometimes that I was a fool to join, but take your advice and shove it for trying to sound like we're at fault for joining - I don't regret it and instead we should offer better mental health coverage to veterans and soldiers alike.

/This poor guy just needs some help.
//When you stare into the abyss too long....
///Life changes when you expect every day to willingly put yourself in danger, when you go out the day after getting shot at to do the same thing again, when people die around you, and when you look at every man woman and child to contemplate if they'll be the one today that you have to kill to save your life or the lives of your fellow soldiers.
 
2012-08-24 08:59:40 AM

Red_Fox: "I realize the point is these wars are farking with our children's minds. A whole generation is being sent home screwed up"

I am not saying he's wrong but here's an idea guys and gals...stop volunteering.


They'd just reinstate the draft to force poor people to die for rich ambitions, instead.
 
2012-08-24 09:01:09 AM

Red_Fox: "I realize the point is these wars are farking with our children's minds. A whole generation is being sent home screwed up"

I am not saying he's wrong but here's an idea guys and gals...stop volunteering.


For a lot of people, the military is one of the only paths out of a poor life situation. The military attracts people from lower income levels with the promise of money, training for a future career, and starting a new life. They just leave out the part about getting killed, injured, or irrepairably traumatized. Telling people to stop volunteering has a nice sound to it, but not everyone has the same choices in life. Maybe we should start addressing the effects of war instead of ignoring them.
 
2012-08-24 09:01:33 AM

heavymetal: Red_Fox: "I realize the point is these wars are farking with our children's minds. A whole generation is being sent home screwed up"

I am not saying he's wrong but here's an idea guys and gals...stop volunteering.

How about we quit electing farking chickenhawks who exploit the soldier's trust and love of country for wars of profit & power rather than actual national security.


And watch the Light of Jesus Christ be extinguished by Communism?
 
2012-08-24 09:02:50 AM

Red_Fox: "I realize the point is these wars are farking with our children's minds. A whole generation is being sent home screwed up"

I am not saying he's wrong but here's an idea guys and gals...stop volunteering.


yeah, that will work. Guess you don't have a Selective Service Card, HUH!
 
2012-08-24 09:06:03 AM
Oh, and that link sucks since it's a slideshow. Read the tweets in a better format here
 
2012-08-24 09:07:12 AM
Taa Daaa!
 
2012-08-24 09:07:24 AM
He downed handfuls of green pills at points during the flight that turned out to be a drug used to treat anxiety. I find one of the pills on the floor and the nice lady in front googles it on her phone. Its clonazepam a drug for bi- polar anxiety. Heavy

A "handful" of clonazepam should have put him out like a light. Sounds like he saw that he was going to have a anxiety reaction to flying, tried to knock himself out with a strong benzo, and then had a paradoxical reaction. That kinda sucks.

/I'm ignoring the whole "bi- polar anxiety" part.
 
2012-08-24 09:07:49 AM

Insatiable Jesus: If this guy served, and is screwed up and on medication, cut him a damned break already. We broke him, we own him.


Yeah, so let him get cocked up and scream, lick magazines, run around the airplane, and toss liquor on a cop.

Even if he really was in the military ("joined the Marines to get off drugs?" I don't think it's a detox program, sport) the behavior is still unacceptable. And I certainly have my doubts about whether he served.
 
2012-08-24 09:07:50 AM
 
2012-08-24 09:08:05 AM
The Aristocrats.
 
2012-08-24 09:08:28 AM

Insatiable Jesus: Hey thanks for that, the distraction you caused was just enough for me to ditch those damned planes.


No problem, I thought I've recognized you from your postings. :)
 
2012-08-24 09:08:34 AM

Tat'dGreaser: I hope they try and get that guy help instead of locking him up for 20 years.


This is the main point of this episode to me. A guy just talks to the man and the guy can hold it together. As soon as people singled him out, and treated his (legitimately unnacceptable) behavior as criminal, the guy lost it. This is about how we treat people who need help. Not just our military, though especially them.

The man is a human, not a bomb. I hope the system treats him appropriately, gets him patched up as best as they can and gives him the life it owes him.
 
2012-08-24 09:08:36 AM

endmile: Red_Fox: "I realize the point is these wars are farking with our children's minds. A whole generation is being sent home screwed up"

I am not saying he's wrong but here's an idea guys and gals...stop volunteering.

For a lot of people, the military is one of the only paths out of a poor life situation. The military attracts people from lower income levels with the promise of money, training for a future career, and starting a new life. They just leave out the part about getting killed, injured, or irrepairably traumatized. Telling people to stop volunteering has a nice sound to it, but not everyone has the same choices in life. Maybe we should start addressing the effects of war instead of ignoring them.


Agreed. But wouldn't it also help to just stop going to war? Has the U.S. had a generation to live and die without seeing its country go to war?
 
2012-08-24 09:09:41 AM
just another benefit of having rich men tell soldiers how to fight a war
in air-conditioned offices
thousands of miles away from the scary places.

I don't give this guy a pass though.
people get blowed up
heck, I got blowed up
some guys get hurt and come back missing limbs, organs, burnt beyond recognition.

..and he has a screw loose enough to become a problem
in a pressurized tube thousands of feet in the air?

no sympathy
 
2012-08-24 09:12:22 AM
As you wish.
 
2012-08-24 09:14:02 AM

endmile: Red_Fox: "I realize the point is these wars are farking with our children's minds. A whole generation is being sent home screwed up"

I am not saying he's wrong but here's an idea guys and gals...stop volunteering.

For a lot of people, the military is one of the only paths out of a poor life situation. The military attracts people from lower income levels with the promise of money, training for a future career, and starting a new life. They just leave out the part about getting killed, injured, or irrepairably traumatized. Telling people to stop volunteering has a nice sound to it, but not everyone has the same choices in life. Maybe we should start addressing the effects of war instead of ignoring them.


"Damn mom, tuition's farkin' expensive. I'm thinkin' about joining the army. They keep saying on those commercials how they'll pay for college."

There's a reason the ads these days talk about POST-DEPLOYMENT opportunities. How you'll get real-life training that applies to a job when you're done. How you'll have more confidence, be treated with more respect, have more doors open to you, and so on and so forth.

I remember when the ads were calls to serve.

Then there were those Navy ads which just tried to make swabbing a deck and watching a computer screen look exciting by playing Godsmack or whatever.

Then there were the ads where a bunch of kids all run to the training facility and get to play hardcore games for their country and then put on pretty uniforms.

Then there were the ads where the kids ask their parents what they think and the parents are all proud.

And now it's ads where these 20-something young professionals tear off their work clothes to reveal a uniform underneath, and the ads where the young lieutenant walks through the door and shakes hands with a guy in a suit.

/"Why do they always send the poor?"
 
2012-08-24 09:16:15 AM

GungFu: Better story and reporting in The Daily Mail:


There's something I'd thought I'd ever read.
 
2012-08-24 09:17:07 AM

vudukungfu: Feel safer now, you pussies?

As Americans, if you aren't sickened by this, you have no sould left.


I'm sorry. I sold my sould.
 
2012-08-24 09:19:02 AM

lizyrd: Insatiable Jesus: If this guy served, and is screwed up and on medication, cut him a damned break already. We broke him, we own him.

Yeah, so let him get cocked up and scream, lick magazines, run around the airplane, and toss liquor on a cop.

Even if he really was in the military ("joined the Marines to get off drugs?" I don't think it's a detox program, sport) the behavior is still unacceptable. And I certainly have my doubts about whether he served.


Reasons my friends joined the military after highschool:
"I want to kill people with guns."
"My life is shiatty, and maybe this'll help me out."
"Boot camp will straighten me up."
"I need help paying for college."
"All the jobs dried up in my area and I have a daughter to feed."
"My girlfriend dumped me."

strangely absent:
"My country needs me."

/This guy's not that unusual.
//Except he was probably Bi-Polar before he deployed.
///You could be right, of course, but I prefer to give people like this the benefit of the doubt. Even if he's just crazy, he should still get the help he needs and not just be treated like a common criminal.
 
2012-08-24 09:22:03 AM

Pinko_Commie: GungFu: Better story and reporting in The Daily Mail:

There's something I'd thought I'd never read.


FTFM
 
2012-08-24 09:23:50 AM
And a good example how society and the "criminal" would be much better served by psychological help then prison.
 
2012-08-24 09:28:18 AM
He's lucky he's bipolar, with only psychiatrists following him. If you are monopolar, you get creepy physics guys chasing you. 

At least that's what the voices tell me.
 
2012-08-24 09:30:42 AM

Insatiable Jesus: If this guy served, and is screwed up and on medication, cut him a damned break already. We broke him, we own him.


That has nothing to do with the fact that he was, at the time, dangerous. Don't charge him, get him help...but sorry Westley's brother, he still needs to be taken off that plane.
 
2012-08-24 09:39:09 AM

fta;

The Chicago man tore up and licked magazines and threw vodka in an air marshal's face, according to Elwes' tweets.

He tried making small talk with the agitated passenger, as the flight staff determined how to handle the situation

Wait, wait wait wait. The Vaterland's heroic air marshal was incapacitated by a spritz of Vodka?


ROTFLMAO. Our heroes. Thank heavens the stewardesses were there to take charge.
 
2012-08-24 09:42:25 AM

Cythraul: endmile: Red_Fox: "I realize the point is these wars are farking with our children's minds. A whole generation is being sent home screwed up"

I am not saying he's wrong but here's an idea guys and gals...stop volunteering.

For a lot of people, the military is one of the only paths out of a poor life situation. The military attracts people from lower income levels with the promise of money, training for a future career, and starting a new life. They just leave out the part about getting killed, injured, or irrepairably traumatized. Telling people to stop volunteering has a nice sound to it, but not everyone has the same choices in life. Maybe we should start addressing the effects of war instead of ignoring them.

Agreed. But wouldn't it also help to just stop going to war? Has the U.S. had a generation to live and die without seeing its country go to war?


I agree with you there as well. I was just addressing the idea to "stop volunteering". Now that we know there are such severe psychological effects from war, it should really fuel the effort to scrutinize our reasons for going to war.
 
2012-08-24 09:45:46 AM

endmile: Cythraul: endmile: Red_Fox: "I realize the point is these wars are farking with our children's minds. A whole generation is being sent home screwed up"

I am not saying he's wrong but here's an idea guys and gals...stop volunteering.

For a lot of people, the military is one of the only paths out of a poor life situation. The military attracts people from lower income levels with the promise of money, training for a future career, and starting a new life. They just leave out the part about getting killed, injured, or irrepairably traumatized. Telling people to stop volunteering has a nice sound to it, but not everyone has the same choices in life. Maybe we should start addressing the effects of war instead of ignoring them.

Agreed. But wouldn't it also help to just stop going to war? Has the U.S. had a generation to live and die without seeing its country go to war?

I agree with you there as well. I was just addressing the idea to "stop volunteering". Now that we know there are such severe psychological effects from war, it should really fuel the effort to scrutinize our reasons for going to war.


We've known of the psychological effects from war since Vietnam, but that didn't stop us from rushing into Iraq this time around, unfortunately.
 
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