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(Chicago Sun-Times)   Clearly, the solution to accommodate bigger airline passengers is to have thinner seats   (suntimes.com) divider line 91
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2012-08-24 06:57:19 AM

xcv: miss diminutive: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Why not try "by-the-pound" pricing?

For those of us who can be safely stored in overhead compartments, I'm perfectly ok with this business plan.

Added bonus if it also encourages passengers to use a bathroom before they get on the plane.


THIS.

\ AND they could add a shiatload of seating by moving the bathrooms to the terminal entrance.
\ Imagine the savings!
 
2012-08-24 07:07:57 AM
I like sitting in the aisle seat, and I don't even mind sitting near the bathrooms. Other flyers seem to be drama queens and I don't need it to be some big deal that I want to get up from my seat. And I don't care if I have to get up to let you by.

BTW, is it some European thing that they never want to stay in their assigned seat but would rather have yours? Stop trying to shuffle people around so you can sit with your friend.
 
2012-08-24 07:17:58 AM

jimmyego: Still can't wait till these on the right become the norm:

[i.imgur.com image 803x365]

Maybe they can hook up a feeding tube as well.


Why do that? Think of all the space and weight that could be saved by not feeding/watering the passengers and removing a couple of lavs.
 
2012-08-24 07:28:40 AM

jimmyego: Still can't wait till these on the right become the norm:

[i.imgur.com image 803x365]

Maybe they can hook up a feeding tube as well.


Airbus has captured the zeitgeist of the industry in their corporate name. Flying used to be an amazing pleasant event, but has degraded into the kind of experience riding a bus used to be.

/Also, Airbus makes crappy airplanes.
//Ask anyone who knows.
 
2012-08-24 07:36:57 AM

flak attack: Infobahn: I don't think Subby really RTFA well

This. It's the dimensions of the seat's frame that are changing, not the area that the passenger sits in that are changing.


Although this article doesn't mention it, Airbus is reducing seat width of middle and window seats to let airlines offer wider aisle seats, at a price of course. Read this article or just see this quote from it:

Airbus's wider A320 cabin has allowed airlines to fit in three, 18-inch seats on either side of the aisle. The A320's 7 1/2 inch advantage in cabin width over the Boeing 737s would let Toulouse, France- based Airbus offer 20-inch aisle seats by reducing the middle and window seats to 17 inches, equivalent to the 737.
 
2012-08-24 08:10:45 AM

DeathByGeekSquad: Aisle seats should be reserved for people over 6', and fark all of you who think that just because you're rail thin - everyone else has to be. Some of us actual have that stuff called muscle, which makes us have different dimensions than someone who has trouble opening doors.


I feel for you, but some of us with short legs and sensitive bladders need those seats too, unless you want me climbing over you once an hour. Even though planes are pressurized, I still suffer from altitude sickness, which squeezes all the water out of my body. My best long plane ride was LA to Melbourne with a friend of mine who is a camel - she went to the restroom once during a 15-hour flight, so she enjoyed the window seat.

I have a wheeled laptop bag that I've been using for 8 years. It used to fit just fine height-wise under the seat in front of me in just about anything bigger than a crop duster. Now it no longer fits in anything smaller than the airbus A330s (US Air's biggest plane), meaning the seat bottoms are getting closer to the floor, too.
 
2012-08-24 08:18:21 AM

borg: My last flight to Taipei I had a 300+ pound woman sit next to me I had the middle seat. She wanted the armrest up and started crying when I insisted it stay down. This is a 13 hour flight that is always full and worse she worked for Benny Hinn and was a bit proselyting.

/I relented and let her keep the armrest up after a couple of hours.


I had some fat ass waddle up to my row. (She had the middle farking seat). She lifts up the arm rest like it's no big thing and plops down pinching my leg under her bacon-fat. I pull my leg out, and see that she is taking up a 3rd of my seat (and the one to the other side). She acts like she's doing nothing wrong. I ask he she could move over and give me some room and she actualy says " I need the space". I complained to a air-waitress but she said there was no other space avaliable. (despite two empty seats in 1st class. Hell, give her fat ass the 1st class seat if it keeps her spandex-sweat off me).

Why the fark do I have to subsidize someone else's ticket? They should have a little mock seat at the ticket counter like they do for your carry-on luggage. If you don't fit in the seat with the arms down, you buy another ticket.
 
2012-08-24 08:19:41 AM
I've flown direct from MUC to SFO in proletarian class on both LH and UA. LH uses the Recaro seats mentioned in TFA and it made a world of difference on an 11-hour flight. This change is a good thing.
 
kab
2012-08-24 08:23:49 AM

Day_Old_Dutchie: No company these days gives a crap about customers, Only shareholders matter now.


True. I suppose I shouldn't give a fark either, as I already give 0 dollars to airlines. As someone eloquently put it in another thread, "if there isn't an ocean in the way, I'm not flying"
 
2012-08-24 08:24:12 AM
Leg room isn't my primary concern. It's my damn elbows. I have a 50" chest and a 32" waist. I'm not fat.
It should be able to sit in a seat without having elbow wars with the person next to me.
If they were to stagger the seats by 2 or 3 inches, the elbow problem would go away.
 
2012-08-24 08:26:27 AM

DeathByGeekSquad: Aisle seats should be reserved for people over 6', and fark all of you who think that just because you're rail thin - everyone else has to be. Some of us actual have that stuff called muscle, which makes us have different dimensions than someone who has trouble opening doors.


Don't you have to be to the gym in 26 minutes?
 
2012-08-24 08:27:00 AM

THE GREAT NAME: RTTE


Good Morning & Happy FNP,

What does RTTE mean?
 
2012-08-24 08:30:28 AM

KingVJ: THE GREAT NAME: RTTE

Good Morning & Happy FNP,

What does RTTE mean?


Reduced to the essentials.

Strip away everything that isn't part of the most basic function of the object.

/An example would be taking the "smart" and texting features out of a smartphone.
 
2012-08-24 08:35:35 AM

Benni K Rok: KingVJ: THE GREAT NAME: RTTE

Good Morning & Happy FNP,

What does RTTE mean?

Reduced to the essentials.

Strip away everything that isn't part of the most basic function of the object.

/An example would be taking the "smart" and texting features out of a smartphone.


Thank You Benni. I appreciate that.
 
2012-08-24 08:39:48 AM

Bonkthat_Again: Leg room isn't my primary concern. It's my damn elbows. I have a 50" chest and a 32" waist. I'm not fat.
It should be able to sit in a seat without having elbow wars with the person next to me.
If they were to stagger the seats by 2 or 3 inches, the elbow problem would go away.


I've often wondered why they dont make seat dividers that bisect the armrest or extend it up to shoulder height. I would be delighted not to have to play armrest wars with the next self-entitled little sh*t who was raised by helecopter parents and thinks he owns everything he can claim.
 
2012-08-24 08:43:59 AM

KingVJ: THE GREAT NAME: RTTE

...Wut?...


RttE
 
2012-08-24 08:44:38 AM
This thread has gone on for 50+ comments without one person bashing United. How the unholy fark did that happen. I'll try to address this issue. United treats its paying customers like an annoyance unless you've planned enough to be in "group 4 and above." Oh sorry you're just a 6? No luggage room for you sucker. And forget it if you have the poor upbringing to find yourself in Group 7. You might as well wear a big yellow "DUMBASS FOR FLYING UNITED" sign on your chest.

United can take any normal routine the other airlines manage to do routinely and turn it into a bureaucratic "respect mah authoritay" procedure requiring multiple announcements.

But to make up for it, here's a video of our telegenic blessed-at-birth company president extolling how wonderful our airline will be now that we destroyed Continental but kept their tail logo as a reminder of how much better they were than we are now.
 
2012-08-24 08:47:23 AM

Bonkthat_Again: I have a 50" chest and a 32" waist. I'm not fat.


I you're a man that's wierd already.

If you're a woman then, er, hi there!
 
2012-08-24 08:49:39 AM

Generation_D: ... United ... me no like ...


RttE
 
2012-08-24 08:56:34 AM

Generation_D: This thread has gone on for 50+ comments without one person bashing United. How the unholy fark did that happen. I'll try to address this issue. United treats its paying customers like an annoyance unless you've planned enough to be in "group 4 and above." Oh sorry you're just a 6? No luggage room for you sucker. And forget it if you have the poor upbringing to find yourself in Group 7. You might as well wear a big yellow "DUMBASS FOR FLYING UNITED" sign on your chest.

United can take any normal routine the other airlines manage to do routinely and turn it into a bureaucratic "respect mah authoritay" procedure requiring multiple announcements.

But to make up for it, here's a video of our telegenic blessed-at-birth company president extolling how wonderful our airline will be now that we destroyed Continental but kept their tail logo as a reminder of how much better they were than we are now.


I got a United credit card for the sole purpose of avoiding the $25 checked bag fees and also being in an early boarding group. The card costs $95 a year (first year free) but you make up all that money with just 4 flights, by avoiding the $25 checked bag fees.
 
2012-08-24 09:48:21 AM
Flying makes me want to lose weight
 
2012-08-24 10:00:37 AM

DeathByGeekSquad: Aisle seats should be reserved for people over 6', and fark all of you who think that just because you're rail thin - everyone else has to be. Some of us actual have that stuff called muscle, which makes us have different dimensions than someone who has trouble opening doors.


I think ailsle is the worst, everything hits me. In the middle seat, my shoulders touch both seats. Give me a window I can lean into and I will stay out of your way.
 
2012-08-24 10:25:34 AM
It will be easier to charge fatties for 2 seats now.
 
2012-08-24 10:52:14 AM
gas giant: I'm 5'9" 135 and I still find US Airways' coach seating on A320s too damn small for my barely existent ass.

50th percentile weight for a 5'9" man is like 160 lbs,

5'9" is like the 50th percentile male height when you average in short assed asians and latinos (its closer to 6' for caucasians and african americans)

so you are 25 lbs lighter than the 50th percentile weight for the 50th percentile height and they are still too damned small for you, that means the seats are too damned small
 
2012-08-24 10:58:36 AM

kab: Yes, do continue treating your customers this way, airline industry. I'm sure it will all work out in your best interest.


The airlines are just responding to what the customers actually want, which is to click on the cheapest flight that comes up in Orbitz/Expedia/etc. Every once in a while an airline will announce they are adding legroom or some other niec feature and without fail they announce 6 months later they are getting rid of it because nobody was actually willing to pay a few extra bucks for the nicer seat.

Customers looking only at the base ticket price with no consideration for what they are actually going to get for that price is what is driving the industry into the dumps.
 
2012-08-24 11:58:48 AM
http://alpha666.de/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/garrison_it.j p g its still better than flying
 
2012-08-24 12:15:22 PM

Thoguh: kab: Yes, do continue treating your customers this way, airline industry. I'm sure it will all work out in your best interest.

The airlines are just responding to what the customers actually want, which is to click on the cheapest flight that comes up in Orbitz/Expedia/etc. Every once in a while an airline will announce they are adding legroom or some other niec feature and without fail they announce 6 months later they are getting rid of it because nobody was actually willing to pay a few extra bucks for the nicer seat.

Customers looking only at the base ticket price with no consideration for what they are actually going to get for that price is what is driving the industry into the dumps.


Yup. You can't have it both ways, people. WTF do you expect to get when you pay $128 for a cross-country ticket?

Yes, I paid that. One coast to the other. Of course it was farking awful.
 
2012-08-24 12:16:12 PM
yukichigai:

Hell, some of us just have a frame that isn't made for the pathetic dimensions they expect you to fit into. When the seat is only 17" wide and my shoulders are 24", it's just not going to work out well. .


This bears repeating. And shoulder width doesn't really fluctuate with fat weight.
 
2012-08-24 12:23:44 PM

gas giant: I'm 5'9" 135 and I still find US Airways' coach seating on A320s too damn small for my barely existent ass.


My wife is 5' and 105lbs soaking wet in sweats and she finds the dang seats too small. I'm 5'11" / 175lbs (170lbs is / was FAA standard weight for an adult male) and I'm cramped.

Don't get me wrong, many people could afford to drop a good hunk of fat. Still, the best example is my dad. He' 6'6" or so and just shy of 195lbs. There is no airline seat (outside of first class) he can sit in, and he's skinny as you get.

/he can sit comfortably in the M20J though
//airline seats suck
 
2012-08-24 12:26:52 PM

xcv: miss diminutive: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Why not try "by-the-pound" pricing?

For those of us who can be safely stored in overhead compartments, I'm perfectly ok with this business plan.

Added bonus if it also encourages passengers to use a bathroom before they get on the plane.


Every time I get on a plane I always questions why there is a constant stream of traffic going to the bathroom. The majority of my flights are
 
2012-08-24 12:41:10 PM

Lt_Ryan: Every time I get on a plane I always questions why there is a constant stream of traffic going to the bathroom. The majority of my flights are


Travel in general, the airport process, and flying makes people nervous which makes you have to piss and shiat.
 
2012-08-24 12:43:57 PM
Travel in general, the airport process, and flying makes people nervous which makes you have to piss and shiat.

Not to mention, once you get going you have to deal with:

You can't get up because we're taking off.. for 30 minutes
You can't get up because the cart with soda is blocking your way
You can't get up because the guy in the aisle seat is asleep
You can't get up because we're landing.. for 30 minutes
 
2012-08-24 01:01:08 PM

GranoblasticMan: LaughingRadish: I wonder what it'll take to get a law requiring a minimum legroom of X.

More regulation?! Bigger government?! What we need is to get rid of the FAA, not let it make more rules.

/ Derp, spent too much time in the Politics tab today


Actually, there are regs, but they have to do with evacuation time (of the plane). So, the airlines will hire Olympic athletes to test the new seating.
 
2012-08-24 01:51:29 PM

gas giant: I'm 5'9" 135 and I still find US Airways' coach seating on A320s too damn small for my barely existent ass.


I am 6'2", 260lbs. I flew on US Airways A320's 4 times in the last 2 weeks in coach seating. 2 flights were normal coach seats, 1 was row 4, right behind the bulkhead near first class, 1 was the last row,right in front of the rear bathrooms. So basically the whole gamut of possible seating other than an awesome exit row seat or paid "more room" seat.

I found all the seats to be acceptably large and comfortable. Especially the knee room, which was more than 3 inches. I have been on other airlines where it was more like -1 inch of knee room, so I was extremely happy with that.
If you don't find US Airways seats to be large enough at your miniscule size then either you plane sucked and was extremely different from the ones I took for some reason, or you have a major personal space issue.
 
2012-08-24 01:55:15 PM

digistil: borg: Snotnose: That's just farking great. Everytime I get on a plane I have to put up with some fat ass taking up the space my fat ass needs. Now I'm going to have to deal with more violation by blubber.

My last flight to Taipei I had a 300+ pound woman sit next to me I had the middle seat. She wanted the armrest up and started crying when I insisted it stay down. This is a 13 hour flight that is always full and worse she worked for Benny Hinn and was a bit proselyting.

/I relented and let her keep the armrest up after a couple of hours.

Couldn't you have used one of her rolls as an armrest?


Now THAT is thinking outside the envelope!

/I LOL'd
 
2012-08-24 02:30:04 PM

Buffet: DeathByGeekSquad: Aisle seats should be reserved for people over 6', and fark all of you who think that just because you're rail thin - everyone else has to be. Some of us actual have that stuff called muscle, which makes us have different dimensions than someone who has trouble opening doors.

Amen bro.


Weeners
 
2012-08-24 03:08:50 PM

MythDragon: They should have a little mock seat at the ticket counter like they do for your carry-on luggage. If you don't fit in the seat with the arms down, you buy another ticket.


That's actually not a bad idea.
 
2012-08-24 03:40:31 PM

inglixthemad: /he can sit comfortably in the M20J though


How?!?!?!?!?!?

/Hope he never has a gear problem.
//7" shorter and I can barely reach the crank.
///Once you are in, though, they are a blast to fly.
 
2012-08-24 05:19:25 PM
borg

Get rid of the arm rests and just put in subway style seating.


Hell no, then I'll have the behemoth sitting next me taking up my seat as well. The arm rest at least serves as a sort of Maginot line, in that, they're still get by it, but they'll have to go around it (or above it in this case)
 
2012-08-24 05:53:09 PM
The League of Little People don't see what the problem is.
 
2012-08-24 07:25:04 PM

KingVJ: I'm no engineer & I'm not going to start playing one on the internet. At least today. YOU just wait till tomorrow.

How is that possible, if the leg room is staying the same, but you add more seats. LIES!!!


So, if you assume that you can add one row to a plane containing 100 seats (A318), you might be able to add 2.5 rows to a plane containing 220 persons (A321). If you pay $300/seat for new seats on each row, it depends on how many times you can fly the plane at full capacity for your investment to cum to fruition.

/stupid
 
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