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(Sports Illustrated) NewsFlash Lance Armstrong's time in France rubs off as he surrenders to U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, loses Tour titles   (sportsillustrated.cnn.com ) divider line
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2012-08-23 11:47:18 PM  
4 votes:
This is hilarious. He STILL has people saying he's clean. I guess I don't know what to say to that. If you can't see a transparent attempt to keep you from seeing the evidence and a whole raft of teammates testify against him (both those who have been busted and those who have not) then I guess I don't know what to tell you.

But know this - if they didn't have dirty samples to show you... and if they didn't have compelling witness testimony beyond Landis and Hamilton, Armstrong would still be fighting. He quit at the eleventh hour for one reason and one reason only - he knows how damning their evidence is. You can't tell me this guy, who has been fighting this shiat for years, this guy who is one of the most litigous sportsmen in history, is quitting on the very last hill because he's fed up. This was the last hurdle.

What he is, is dirty. Hats off for the cancer shiat lance. I just hope we get to see the testimony anyway. Especially from Hincapie.
2012-08-23 11:23:18 PM  
4 votes:
So they have no positive drug tests, they aren't in charge of the Tour, but they want to strip him of the titles. Uh ok.
2012-08-23 11:11:27 PM  
4 votes:
Man up, Lance. Man the f*ck up and admit it. You know it, we know it. You're going to lose the titles anyway, if you want to be petty and not say anything out of spite, that's your choice, but you're going to be a title-less nobody and we all know why.
2012-08-24 01:09:24 PM  
3 votes:

Your Average Witty Fark User: Over 500 clean tests, and Hincapie and Landis were going to be poor sports (ie losers) and claim he cheated,


You forgot a whole bunch of other guys. You can gloss over Landis as having an axe to grind. I suppose you can discount Hamilton if you want. But now you have four more teammates coming forward. Including Hincapie, Armstrong's chief super domestique for all seven tours and most trusted ally. Do you really think it's that easy to get all these people to tell the same lie - even as they were incriminating themselves? Please. At some point you just have to accept it. One by one Lance throws them under the bus to keep his good name. The whole statement was simply a calculated effort on his behalf so he didn't have to face his accusers/testimony/evidence at the arbitration hearing. What kills me is Lance eviscerated all these guys in the press but still has defenders who somehow excuse him for the exact same shiat they criticize the witnesses for. I've said it before and I'll say it again - I believe you could convince a buddy to tell a lie to save your neck. I don't think you could convince ten buddies to tell the same lie. George Hincapie would rather gouge his eyes out than hurt Lance Armstrong but he obviously drew the line at lying under oath and I don't blame him one bit. You can argue it's a waste of time. You can argue jurisdiction and good work for cancer. You can argue that everyone else was doing it. But what Lance has been selling, the one clean guy on tour kicking the dirty dopers butts, is a myth.
2012-08-24 12:13:20 AM  
3 votes:
Did you dope?
No.
Did you dope?
No.
Did you dope?
I'm not talking about this anymore.
A ha! He's guilty!
2012-08-23 11:26:27 PM  
3 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: JosephFinn: So he doesn't admit guilt, but just stops fighting the witch hunt. I'm OK with that.

Yes, that's it. He just got tired. A man who clearly won 7 Tour De France titles without help is tired.

That's the ticket.


Without having the evidence, and with all the uncertainty that surrounds each of these cases, I'm not even going to venture an opinion on whether or not he's guilty or innocent of doping.

But that said, I can buy this course of action as legit. I don't know if I do quite yet since I just heard about it, but it's at least plausible to me.

The accusations are never going to stop. He last won the Tour what, seven years ago and he first faced allegations in 1999 and he's still having to answer for it? I can see where a guy would finally be like "Fark it."

I'm not defending him....as I said I don't know all the details regarding all the allegations. But I can see a guy just tiring of pouring piles of money and time down a hole with no end in sight.
2012-08-23 11:22:34 PM  
3 votes:
I don't really care but there still has been no clear evidence that he doped, the only thing they have is Landis who is hardly an impartial witness. This reeks of "everyone thinks he's guilty so he must be guilty" which is fine in the court of public opinion but not in anything that actually matters. They keep on investigating, investigating and investigating until finally anyone would have enough. Don't get me wrong, I'm not say he absolutely didn't dope but there has been no conclusive evidence released and you know damn well that the French would have been all over the media if there was any clear evidence.
2012-08-23 11:50:29 PM  
2 votes:

lohphat: WTF Indeed: The ole' "I know I cheated, they got the proof, so instead of fighting it I'm going to take all the money I made from selling armbands to morons and head off into history." Move.


The thing that irritates me is that his foundation doesnt actually give money for cancer research, instead promoting "cancer awareness" whatever that means. I always assumed that they run around going "Hey man, did you know cancer kills people?" Its either that or its merely a self-promotional vehicle for Lance himself.
2012-08-23 11:47:40 PM  
2 votes:

basemetal: Kind of like soccer, I don't care.


My personal feeling is that I dont care whether its right or wrong if he doped. From a purely scientific perspective there is a very plausable scenario where he could have used transfusions and EPO to gain an advantage while avoiding testing positive. He took the risk to dope and he now has to pay the consequences for doing so and he doesnt want to, mainly to protect his public persona.
2012-08-23 11:41:52 PM  
2 votes:
I really don't understand how USADA can strip Armstrong of the titles. You'd think that would be something only the actual Tour would be able to do that. That said, they'd be more than happy to take away Armstrong's seven wins.

I do agree that the whole "investigation" is really down to a "he said/she said" type thing with their star witness being an already disgraced Floyd Landis. If USADA has all this evidence, release it. Otherwise, shut up and move on.
2012-08-23 11:39:53 PM  
2 votes:

Representative of the unwashed masses: I was unaware that USADA regulated sporting events in France. Isn't that like the Canadian doping agency stripping Usain Bolt of a gold medal at the London Olympics or something stupid like that


Lance raced under a US license internationally which meant he was subject to the rules of the USADA and by extension the WADA and the IOC.
2012-08-23 11:39:34 PM  
2 votes:

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Presenting Douchebag of the Century:
Travis Tygart, CEO, United States Anti-Doping Agency

2012-08-23 11:35:45 PM  
2 votes:
Over 500 hundred tests and no sign of doping. Last tour was what, seven years ago? What a worthless agency. Either they were utterly incompetent then, when they didn't catch him doping with their flawed drug tests, or worse, they are now wrongfully destroying the phenomenal record of an American legend. Either way, Travis Tygart and his agency are farking idiots.
2012-08-23 11:32:43 PM  
2 votes:
2 scenarios: he's the best because he won clean in a sport full of dopers, or he's the best because he doped to win in a sport full of dopers. Either way, he's still the best. Suck it, haters.
2012-08-23 11:29:25 PM  
2 votes:

I_Hate_Iowa: How was he the only one who wasn't caught? He was the most-tested athlete in the world for a while. Why are they suddenly railroading him with witness testimony instead of blood? Don't they hold onto samples like the Olympics' anti-dopers? If they have witnesses that can say what exactly he was using, then they should be able to test for exactly that.


I assume you know that all those confirmed dopers passed many test themselves, right? And they have lance's old samples. Lance is trying to make sure you don't hear the expert testimony that those samples are consistent with doing. But mostly I think, and this is conjecture, he doesn't want you to hear Georges testimony. He's thrown everyone else under the bus already but George won't lie and lance knows it.
2012-08-23 11:29:18 PM  
2 votes:
Lance Armstrong cheated?!? I'm so hurt by this. How dare he cheat the system, become famous, and then raise a shiat load of money to fight cancer. Cancer deserved a fair fight. Shame on you Lance...SHAME ON YOU!!!
2012-08-23 11:26:31 PM  
2 votes:
He rode a bike fast.

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2012-08-23 11:25:57 PM  
2 votes:

mjones73: I didn't know they governored over that race...


The UCI does, and they never came up with any bad drug tests on him.
2012-08-23 11:24:59 PM  
2 votes:
Just curious, how can the USADA strip him of his Tour De France wins? I didn't know they governored over that race...
2012-08-23 11:23:18 PM  
2 votes:
Oh, and I know everyone else doped. I just can't stand the arrogance of the man steadfastly standing there and trying to have us believe he was clean. All the while one after another of the teammates who pulled his ass up the mountain were found to be dirty. What I STILL find shocking is that so many diehard fans would believe this control freak egomaniac micromanager could have THAT many dopers in his camp but somehow he not know. Please, give it up already. You're hero is a juicer. I freely admit he was the best at that one race as they were all doing it. Just don't try to tell me he was clean the whole time.
2012-08-23 11:21:50 PM  
2 votes:
Which family is this? The wife and kids he left when became famous? The ex wife who was a celebrity? Or the current wife and kids?
2012-08-23 11:18:46 PM  
2 votes:
How was he the only one who wasn't caught? He was the most-tested athlete in the world for a while. Why are they suddenly railroading him with witness testimony instead of blood? Don't they hold onto samples like the Olympics' anti-dopers? If they have witnesses that can say what exactly he was using, then they should be able to test for exactly that.
2012-08-23 11:17:08 PM  
2 votes:
And cycling goes back to being a sport no one in the U.S. cares about... But actively now.
2012-08-23 11:15:48 PM  
2 votes:
Day what you want, but what this is is a very calculated strategy on the pay of a man who doped, thought he got away with it, and very much does not want you to see a parade of experts testify about his old samples. But most of all he doesn't want you to see George Hincapie on the stand. Because he knows George will tell the truth and you'll believe him.
2012-08-23 11:13:34 PM  
2 votes:
Right, because stripping his titles means that nobody remembers he won them. You know who won those Tours if Lance didn't? The guy who finished dead last, because he was the only one who either didn't dope or sucked so bad at it that he deserves to win.
2012-08-23 11:12:04 PM  
2 votes:
Sports talk radio is going to bust a nut over this news.
2012-08-23 11:11:40 PM  
2 votes:
So he doesn't admit guilt, but just stops fighting the witch hunt. I'm OK with that.
2012-08-23 11:11:05 PM  
2 votes:
Good. Cheating bastard.
2012-08-24 07:50:37 PM  
1 vote:

machoprogrammer: It is adorable how people think a clean test means someone isn't doping.


I think it's adorable how butthurt people are about Lance Armstrong, so much so that it's come to this and the Lance haters have monopolized the thread. All because he won a few races. Amazing.
2012-08-24 04:27:38 PM  
1 vote:

Great Porn Dragon: IOC already has the USOC on its shiatlist due to the latter pretty much not even giving the Paralympics the regard it usually gives chopped liver.


Nice to see someone else is aware of this. Every time I bring that up at other times I feel like I'm the only person outside of the people involved who knows about it.
2012-08-24 01:40:35 PM  
1 vote:

igosplat: Many people have commented on there is no one to give the 7 titles to. This is true, every one of the top 5 from those 7 victories have been caught doping. Now we add every American cyclist since Andy Hampsten. The 10 US riders from Lance's teams have now admitted they doped and received 6 months suspensions instead of 2 years. That means a personal favorite George Hincapie is now an admitted doper. No wonder he was able to lead out NoNuts up the mountains and no wonder he announced his retirement after the article came out exposing them during this year's TdF. Fark them all! Thankfully, just because USADA gave them 6 month suspensions, does not mean they will ever race again in Europe. Hopefully every Grand Tour will ban them after UCI gets their admissions. They brought dishonor to a dishonest sport.


That's what kills me about this whole thing. People question the legitimacy of college football titles all the time and they are even vacated after the fact. People question the SB titles of the Pats and the Saints after their scandals. But Armstrong supporters rail against Landis and Hamilton and Contador for doping but are seemingly just fine with Lance's tour wins despite the fact the entire team has admitted to doping. Whether or not you believe Lance did or not - and you have to have your head all the way under the sand at this point - every tour win is grossly tainted at best. George Hincapie was the only guy at his side for all of them and he's fessed up. Console yourself with Lance's personal myth if you want - but without EPO his teams don't win all those tours. It's a team sport and he was drugged up the those hills by a legion of dopers. I'd admire the guy one hell of a lot more if he'd fess up and take his medicine instead of leaving his friends to tell the truth in his stead.
2012-08-24 01:25:48 PM  
1 vote:
There is actual evidence that Armstrong doped. I recall from a couple of years ago a situation where rider samples had been saved and were retested years later using new technology. The problem was that, under the rules at the time of the races, the samples were to be either discarded after the races, or they could be retained for research purposes but the key to tying any particular sample to any particular rider was not to be retained. The samples were kept, as was the identification information. They went back and tested old Armstrong samples with new technology and found direct evidence of doping.

My belief is that everyone was doping just beyond the limits of the detection technology. I tend to believe those people who have said this for years. The sport was not clean, but at least it was fair. With everyone pushing their red blood levels to the same cut off ratios, they all had as equal a chance to success as each other. The final results had more to do with strategy and preparation. Lance has always said he tested clean and that he played within the rules at the time. These statements are both true. They also confirm that he doped in the same manner as everyone else who tested "clean." Again, the difference between the riders came down to preparation, training and organization.

Personally, my view is that the races are over for Lance. I don't care if he ever races again, and likely neither does he. He is retired. Close the book and go forward with testing in accordance with today's detection technology. It doesn't do any good to revisit Marco Pantani, Lance Armstrong or any one else. Let it go and move forward.
2012-08-24 01:23:33 PM  
1 vote:
Many people have commented on there is no one to give the 7 titles to. This is true, every one of the top 5 from those 7 victories have been caught doping. Now we add every American cyclist since Andy Hampsten. The 10 US riders from Lance's teams have now admitted they doped and received 6 months suspensions instead of 2 years. That means a personal favorite George Hincapie is now an admitted doper. No wonder he was able to lead out NoNuts up the mountains and no wonder he announced his retirement after the article came out exposing them during this year's TdF. Fark them all! Thankfully, just because USADA gave them 6 month suspensions, does not mean they will ever race again in Europe. Hopefully every Grand Tour will ban them after UCI gets their admissions. They brought dishonor to a dishonest sport.
2012-08-24 12:29:31 PM  
1 vote:
Hmm, it does seem like this mess makes cycling look like nothing but a joke. Its a shame that it looks like whatever proof the anti-doping agency had wont be released since Armstrong gave up. I still don't know what to make of it, but cycling has certainly been damaged greatly. Suppose it was building up to this, but still.
2012-08-24 11:19:47 AM  
1 vote:

Rev.K: Man up, Lance. Man the f*ck up and admit it. You know it, we know it. You're going to lose the titles anyway, if you want to be petty and not say anything out of spite, that's your choice, but you're going to be a title-less nobody and we all know why.


Man up Rev. K we know you like to rape 9 year old boys, even though you have never been caught and no 9 year old boy has ever come forward to accuse you. We have the confession of a man who rapes 9 year old boys that you and him used to rape 9 year old boys together. Just because we are giving this man a lighter sentence then you for his confession does not mean his confession is being coerced or paid for in any way.

No, just man up and admit you like to rape 9 year old boys.
2012-08-24 09:19:50 AM  
1 vote:
having a ball with all these comments!

here's a sad thought... well, more tragic than sad... but, IIRC, many of his team suffered from testicular cancer. some thought that the use of the performance enhancing drugs were a significant factor in the development of the cancers.

so, he juiced to win, didn't win. got cancer, survived, went back to juicing, and then lost it all. so, I guess juicing wasn't that great of a choice... unless you like ball cancer and being defrocked of your titles.  although, maybe in the long run it was worth it, because he got a decade of being a hero, and now he's made enough money independently to not give a damn
2012-08-24 07:12:30 AM  
1 vote:
Well, duh.

Just remember what Armstrong's defenders would have you believe, that 98% of the cycling community was doping, except for Lance Armstrong, the guy who won every Tour de France for 7 years.
2012-08-24 07:09:07 AM  
1 vote:

spawn73: . His B tests are all positive.


Well if they are, then all the USADA had to do was release those test results and this was all done and over with.
2012-08-24 04:56:14 AM  
1 vote:

WhyteRaven74: Account Created To Respond To Your Idiocy: I rode at the BMX park for a session..

heh I actually want to get a BMX bike myself.

As for Armstrong and doping, he may well have done it, my issue is with how things are being handled. If there is a positive test result, there's no point in trying to line up people to testify and all the rest, you have physical proof of cheating and that ends it. Also there's issue of when the positive test result is from, if it's from 09 but they can't haven't turned up anything in his earlier samples, of which they would have lots, then the punishment is a bit hinky. But mostly I'm just a bit displeased with how the USADA is handling things.


I pretty much agree with this, from my perspective this certainly is a witch hunt because of the number of times they've gone after him for the same thing and in fact, even the same races. There was even a criminal investigation that didn't go anywhere.

I know this isn't the real judicial system, but there has to be a limit of the number of times you can put someone on trial for the same presumed offense, otherwise everything is more or less politically motivated to some degree or another.
kab
2012-08-24 01:58:06 AM  
1 vote:
Can you blame him? He probably figures that he's made enough money, so is basically saying "fark you, think whatever you want".

USADA and ICU need to come to grips that if you don't get busted AT THE TIME of the competition, that's the end of the story. Write it down, hand over the crown, and move on to next year. And if that's not going to be the case, hopefully Indurain, Mercx, Hinault, and all the other multi-time winners are put under just as much scrutiny as Armstrong... but you know that won't happen.

Either way, the end result is a general public that simply assumes that every last winner of this race is a doper that simply hasn't been busted yet, and that isn't going to help the sport whatsoever, nor any other sports where drug testing is a huge issue.
2012-08-24 01:47:32 AM  
1 vote:
Usain Bolt, winner 100m 200m gold in 2008.
Usain Bolt, winner 100m 200m gold in 2012.

DOPER!
2012-08-24 01:22:43 AM  
1 vote:

Rev.K: Armstrong took no performance enhancing drugs, none at all, and beat a field riddled with dopers seven times in a row.


Miguel Indurain won the tour five times in a row, and was no talk of him doping except perhaps by a few just trying to stir the pot. Though riders he beat were busted for it and others were rumored to be doing it.
2012-08-24 01:14:34 AM  
1 vote:

Rev.K: We KNOW Landis was taking performance enhancing drugs and yet he finished behind Armstrong.


Landis finished behind riders for whom there's no suspicion of doping. You might want to try a better argument, like Armstrong himself, not guilt by association.
2012-08-24 01:07:20 AM  
1 vote:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: doubled99: Here's the thing. He'a always been a gigantic asshole. This was well known to anyone who knew him before the cancer.The cancer thing just sanctified everything he did after. fark your fake hero.

Thank you for putting into words what this is all about. The whole sordid saga in 5 sentences. I'll distill it even further: I think he's a jerk so let's get him!


To be fair, he is a gigantic douche.
2012-08-24 12:51:08 AM  
1 vote:
i.imgur.com

About damn time he got caught.
2012-08-24 12:45:59 AM  
1 vote:
Eh. If he did anything, it was just some performance enhancing drugs. It's not like he assisted in covering up child rape for 14 years.
2012-08-24 12:39:11 AM  
1 vote:
apachevoyeur: what does "fully consistent with doping" mean?

I think it means they can't prove anything, but like many in this thread, are certain Lance is a doper.
2012-08-24 12:32:51 AM  
1 vote:

Sgygus: Sounds to me like Lance insulted some petty USADA bureaucrat.

You lose, Armstrong!

/never underestimate low-paid vindictive shiats with a lot of power


Yeah, that's the ticket.

Forget that he had testicular cancer, a known effect of long-time doping.

Forget that his own teammate years, Floyd Landis, was found guilty of doping.

Forget that there were questionable samples in Armstrong's past.


This is all because some desk jockey at the USADA wanted to take Armstrong down because he had a vendetta.

Do you realize how retarded you sound?
2012-08-24 12:27:32 AM  
1 vote:
Hates to say "I told you so", but...
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I do think the agency should be required to show some evidence before formally stripping Lance of the TDF titles, but I am having a really hard time believing that he would give them up simply because he was "tired of fighting the doping allegations". That just doesn't pass the smell test.

Lance, I am disappoint.
2012-08-24 12:22:08 AM  
1 vote:
I'm pretty sure someone just copied one of the Penn State threads and did a find/replace on "Joe Paterno" and "child rape" with "Lance Armstrong" and "doping."

Hero worshippers gonna hero-worship.
2012-08-24 12:21:41 AM  
1 vote:

Jumpthruhoops: Did you dope?
No.
Did you dope?
No.
Did you dope?
I'm not talking about this anymore.
A ha! He's guilty!


It went more like this:

Did you dope?
No
This evidence says you did, and the world will find out about it tomorrow.
I QUIT
2012-08-24 12:18:14 AM  
1 vote:
I don't know who to believe in this until I see the evidence. Honestly I don't care enough either way, but so far its just been Armstrong saying he didn't and USADA saying he did based on so called evidence that they haven't shared yet and witness statements. Which eh. Either way its a clusterfark for this sport.
2012-08-24 12:15:25 AM  
1 vote:

jekostas: claim that they show evidence of blood doping.


If they had the evidence back then, that should've been the end of it. Declare he failed a test and handle things from there.
2012-08-24 12:11:29 AM  
1 vote:
That guy has some ball to put out a statement like that.

Seriously, though, he fought back from cancer, he fought to win seven Tour de France titles, and he won't fight this? Yeah, I don't buy it.
2012-08-24 12:10:21 AM  
1 vote:

apachevoyeur: Seriously? Seven years after his last Tour? Blood shows up with evidence of doping now? I call bullshiat.


He last raced in the Tour de France in 2010.
mjg
2012-08-24 12:08:27 AM  
1 vote:
While working for a foundation (non-profit org) I learned that the organization has a policy of not 'naming' things (ie. awards, academic bursaries, etc) after a living person, purely for the reason that Lance is in hot water for.

The foundation, and all it's work, come into question by the person's past and future mistakes.

/kinda tough in this case since Lance is the focus of Livestrong
2012-08-24 12:02:20 AM  
1 vote:

consider this: WhyteRaven74: I've heard that, yet seen nothing released.

The USADA has been preparing a case against Armstrong, they're not going to make all of their information public before it's time.


It's past time. They were going to arbitration. The investigation is over. It's not like a criminal trial where they need to keep some cards close to the vest. If he did it, I really don't care and he should be stripped, but don't hold this over us with shadowy claims of unnamed people who saw him do it, and a re-test that might or might not show doping.
2012-08-23 11:59:27 PM  
1 vote:
Lance's last Tour win was July, 2005. Seven years ago. This whole sorry mess reeks of politics.
2012-08-23 11:57:06 PM  
1 vote:

Palmer Eldritch: Cool story, bro: Not to get too political, but earlier today I had a long discussion with someone in which I, at length, compared Mitt Romney's tax evasion to Lance Armstrong's PED use. Guess I'm not going to be able to re-use that particular simile as many times as I'd hoped.


With comments like this maybe Drew can be talked into a 'Stupid' button.

If Mitt evaded taxes why isn't he under investigation?

You're a farking idiot.
2012-08-23 11:57:03 PM  
1 vote:
Once again, the record for consecutive victories in France is held by Germany.
2012-08-23 11:52:23 PM  
1 vote:
My headline would have been, "Armstrong to eat Crow."
2012-08-23 11:51:57 PM  
1 vote:
Lance Armstrong supporters: "I'd have to see a video of him singing "Pee On You," two forms of government ID, a police officer there to verify the whole thing, four or five of my buddies and Neal taking notes, and R. Kelly's grandma to confirm his identity."
2012-08-23 11:47:53 PM  
1 vote:

DrySocket: Part of the evidence against Lance says that the UCI helped Lance cover up a positive EPO test from 2001


I've heard that, yet seen nothing released.
2012-08-23 11:47:14 PM  
1 vote:

jekostas: Unless part of the settlement included not releasing said evidence, which is likely the case.


There was no settlement. A judge threw out Armstrong's petition.
2012-08-23 11:46:20 PM  
1 vote:

whatshisname: Fisty Bum: If USADA has all this evidence, release it.

They might just do that. On Monday, Armstrong lost his lawsuit to have it blocked.


Unless part of the settlement included not releasing said evidence, which is likely the case.
2012-08-23 11:46:10 PM  
1 vote:

Transubstantive: I'm pretty sure all US professional athletes are under the authority of the USADA,


They're not. Only certain ones are, football players aren't, track athletes are.
2012-08-23 11:45:28 PM  
1 vote:

Fisty Bum: If USADA has all this evidence, release it.


They might just do that. On Monday, Armstrong lost his lawsuit to have it blocked.
2012-08-23 11:43:53 PM  
1 vote:

WhyteRaven74: DrySocket: Lance raced under a US license internationally which meant he was subject to the rules of the USADA and by extension the WADA and the IOC.

Thing is, it's the UCI that sanctions cycling events and the tests therein. And the UCI boots people for doping and takes away wins and places bans. Yet the UCI hasn't really had an issue with Lance.


The UCI is in a tricky spot here. Part of the evidence against Lance says that the UCI helped Lance cover up a positive EPO test from 2001. If the UCI appeals, they could incur the wrath of the WADA and the IOC who could decide to exclude professional cyclists from the next olympics because they decide the UCI is corrupt and dont follow anti-doping rules.
2012-08-23 11:43:45 PM  
1 vote:

consider this: They haven't made their witness list public yet either.


Which I have a problem with. Either fess up to what you have against someone, or drop it. The UCI has dealt with doping issues and had no problem saying "Person X said person Y was doping, we followed up on it and found evidence they were doping".
2012-08-23 11:43:44 PM  
1 vote:

Representative of the unwashed masses: I was unaware that USADA regulated sporting events in France. Isn't that like the Canadian doping agency stripping Usain Bolt of a gold medal at the London Olympics or something stupid like that


Well, since Usain Bolt is not a Canadian citizen, no that is not the same thing. I'm pretty sure all US professional athletes are under the authority of the USADA, regardless of where they are playing that sport.
2012-08-23 11:43:42 PM  
1 vote:

Billy Crystal Meth Lab: So wait, does this leave ANY winners of the TdF in the past decade?!


Erik Zabel came in second 6 years in a row, I bet he'll be the next doper to be stripped of Armstrong's vacant 1st place.
2012-08-23 11:43:27 PM  
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Billy Crystal Meth Lab: Darth Hater: Lance Armstrong cheated?!? I'm so hurt by this. How dare he cheat the system, become famous, and then raise a shiat load of money to fight cancer. Cancer deserved a fair fight. Shame on you Lance...SHAME ON YOU!!!

I'm sure that's why he cheated - to raise money for cancer research. Had nothing to do with, you know, winning the damn bike race.


Doesn't matter why he cheated. The end result is he raised money to fight cancer. The ends justify the means. BTW, I hope you die from aggressive colon cancer.
2012-08-23 11:41:42 PM  
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DrySocket: Lance raced under a US license internationally which meant he was subject to the rules of the USADA and by extension the WADA and the IOC.


Thing is, it's the UCI that sanctions cycling events and the tests therein. And the UCI boots people for doping and takes away wins and places bans. Yet the UCI hasn't really had an issue with Lance.
2012-08-23 11:39:34 PM  
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consider this: blood samples consistent with blood doping.


If they do, it's odd the USADA hasn't made it public.
2012-08-23 11:38:59 PM  
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2012-08-23 11:38:27 PM  
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WTF Indeed: cameroncrazy1984: Darth Hater: Lance Armstrong cheated?!? I'm so hurt by this. How dare he cheat the system, become famous, and then raise a shiat load of money to fight cancer. Cancer deserved a fair fight. Shame on you Lance...SHAME ON YOU!!!

Yes, it's totally ok to cheat, as long as you raise money for cancer!

That's why enroll all my mistresses in Walk for the Cure races.


I bet she runs instead of walks too, huh?
2012-08-23 11:36:40 PM  
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Darth Hater: WTF Indeed: cameroncrazy1984: Darth Hater: Lance Armstrong cheated?!? I'm so hurt by this. How dare he cheat the system, become famous, and then raise a shiat load of money to fight cancer. Cancer deserved a fair fight. Shame on you Lance...SHAME ON YOU!!!

Yes, it's totally ok to cheat, as long as you raise money for cancer!

That's why enroll all my mistresses in Walk for the Cure races.

Someone should have told Bill Belichick this...


I lol'd.
2012-08-23 11:36:38 PM  
1 vote:
I don't follow the cycling sport so I don't understand how, years later, he's going to be stripped of his titles.

I assume he got tested back then like everyone else. I assume that after he won a couple of times they'd double and triple test him just out of envy and resentment. Since he was allowed to keep competing I'm assuming he passed their tests.

So what changed? The tests themselves? So what? If the rule says you must pass Test X and he did, who gives a crap if years later they develop Test Y and he fails? That wasn't the rule back then.
2012-08-23 11:36:12 PM  
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I was unaware that USADA regulated sporting events in France. Isn't that like the Canadian doping agency stripping Usain Bolt of a gold medal at the London Olympics or something stupid like that
2012-08-23 11:33:58 PM  
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Jodeo: Innocent until PROVEN guilty.

He's moving on. The titles don't compare to what he's doing. The USADA is doped up more than he ever was -- until there's proof to the contrary.


This may come as a shock to some people in here but multiple, corroborating eyewitness accounts do, in fact, count as evidence.

I know, I know. Tough to believe.
2012-08-23 11:33:42 PM  
1 vote:
So wait, does this leave ANY winners of the TdF in the past decade?!
2012-08-23 11:32:00 PM  
1 vote:

Darth Hater: Lance Armstrong cheated?!? I'm so hurt by this. How dare he cheat the system, become famous, and then raise a shiat load of money to fight cancer. Cancer deserved a fair fight. Shame on you Lance...SHAME ON YOU!!!


I'm sure that's why he cheated - to raise money for cancer research. Had nothing to do with, you know, winning the damn bike race.
2012-08-23 11:30:02 PM  
1 vote:

Darth Hater: Lance Armstrong cheated?!? I'm so hurt by this. How dare he cheat the system, become famous, and then raise a shiat load of money to fight cancer. Cancer deserved a fair fight. Shame on you Lance...SHAME ON YOU!!!


Yes, it's totally ok to cheat, as long as you raise money for cancer!
2012-08-23 11:28:09 PM  
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What evidence do they have to prove he doped?
2012-08-23 11:28:02 PM  
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CommieTaoist: I don't really care but there still has been no clear evidence that he doped, the only thing they have is Landis who is hardly an impartial witness..


no, they have a lot more witnesses than just Landis. Tyler Hamilton gave a scathing interview on 60 minutes. They also have several other witnesses who came forward as well.
2012-08-23 11:25:36 PM  
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CommieTaoist: I don't really care but there still has been no clear evidence that he doped, the only thing they have is Landis who is hardly an impartial witness. This reeks of "everyone thinks he's guilty so he must be guilty" which is fine in the court of public opinion but not in anything that actually matters. They keep on investigating, investigating and investigating until finally anyone would have enough. Don't get me wrong, I'm not say he absolutely didn't dope but there has been no conclusive evidence released and you know damn well that the French would have been all over the media if there was any clear evidence.


Members of Armstrong's cycling team were set to testify against him including George Hincapie, who was an assist in all 7 of Armstrong's tour wins . It's not just Landis.
2012-08-23 11:22:43 PM  
1 vote:
Well, if he didn't win all those races through cheating, then I guess he wouldn't have anything to regret for the rest of his life. I'm sure that decision won't haunt him forever.
2012-08-23 11:20:20 PM  
1 vote:
His excuse is such horse shiat for not fighting the findings. He put his family on all sorts of hold whenever he trained. It was a sacrifice he and his family were willing to make. His training was literally hell on wheels. Now he just has to use some of his money to fight for what he claims is legitimately and rightly his. And he quits. GUILTY.

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2012-08-23 11:20:09 PM  
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He's a pro cyclist, who had testicular cancer that spread to his brain.

He wasn't cheating. He was leveling the field.
2012-08-23 11:18:33 PM  
1 vote:

whatshisname: cameroncrazy1984: A man who clearly won 7 Tour De France titles without help is tired.

You don't win the Tour de France without help.


Alright, if you want to be pedantic: "without drugs"
2012-08-23 11:17:05 PM  
1 vote:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Right, because stripping his titles means that nobody remembers he won them. You know who won those Tours if Lance didn't? The guy who finished dead last, because he was the only one who either didn't dope or sucked so bad at it that he deserves to win.


Yeah but no one will remember that. They'll remember him as the guy who was disgraced and thrown out of his sport.
2012-08-23 11:16:58 PM  
1 vote:
"The bottom line is I played by the rules that were put in place."

Interesting way of phrasing it. Sounds like someone who knowingly exploited a loophole.
2012-08-23 11:15:16 PM  
1 vote:
The ole' "I know I cheated, they got the proof, so instead of fighting it I'm going to take all the money I made from selling armbands to morons and head off into history." Move.
2012-08-23 11:13:25 PM  
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JosephFinn: So he doesn't admit guilt, but just stops fighting the witch hunt. I'm OK with that.


Yes, that's it. He just got tired. A man who clearly won 7 Tour De France titles without help is tired.

That's the ticket.
2012-08-23 10:40:22 PM  
1 vote:
At least he had the ball to stick it out this long subby.
 
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