Darth Hater: Lance Armstrong cheated?!? I'm so hurt by this. How dare he cheat the system, become famous, and then raise a shiat load of money to fight cancer. Cancer deserved a fair fight. Shame on you Lance...SHAME ON YOU!!!
JK47: JohnBigBootay: Just google George Hincapie. He was on every team and considered to be his number one lieutenant and extremely loyal and honest to a fault. Never tested positive for anything either. He certainly has no reason to lie about lance and every reason to lie for lance. Anyway, that's whose testimony I want to see.Well if Armstrong conceding the case is an admission of guilt that he doped then Hincapie's outright admission to the USADA that he doped should be proof enough that he isn't honest to a fault and he tested positive at some point. The fact that he is implicating Lance in exchange for a lenient 6 month ban (in a case devoid of anything other than purchased testimony) should tell you that he has every reason to lie.
WhyteRaven74: steamingpile: Its cycling and people pay attention to maybe one race a year and even then its only a curiosity at best.That's only the case in America, in Europe? Not so much. Also there are plenty of Americans who follow cycling quite closely.Rev.K: Seven times.Armstrong won his first tour in 99, Landis wasn't even in the race until 02, and was nowhere near the front riders his firs two Tours. And in 06, the last time Armstrong won, Landis finished 9th, over 12 minutes behind Armstrong.
WhyteRaven74: Kouvre: Boy, I'm really glad our tax dollars were used to prove that Lance Armstrong cheated when he competed in cycling, instead of funding less important things like education and curing AIDS.Only a small part of the USADA's budget comes from federal funds.
dandude28: So out of 600 tests, all passed, they somehow still think he doped? Sounds very much like a witch hunt
Account Created To Respond To Your Idiocy: how long have you been following professional bicycle racing?
kab: Actually, reading his full statement, I definitely can't blame him.USADA is basically deciding that they're the governing body in a race that they have nothing to do with.
echo5juliet: LIVEWRONG/too soon?
WhyteRaven74: relaxitsjustme: #1 is the fact that he held the TdF ITT record for yearsIf you mean the speed record, he stills has it. Also LeMond rode in an era where you were allowed to time trial on a bike where the front wheel was smaller than the back wheel which would put the rider in fairly aerodynamic body position. Interestingly LeMond didn't always use such a bike for time trials, but here's a pic from one time trial when he did[2.bp.blogspot.com image 550x361]
WhyteRaven74: at 15 I was riding a good 220 to 300 miles a week
What_Would_Jimi_Do: 300 miles?
WhyteRaven74: BobNesta420: Everyone is suspect.There really wouldn't be a reason to suspect Indurain given what was widely known and circulated about his physiology that provided him advantages as is that couldn't be gotten by taking any sort of performance enhancer.
JosephFinn: So he doesn't admit guilt, but just stops fighting the witch hunt. I'm OK with that.
BobNesta420: But isn't there some story about Armstrong having an enlarged heart that gives him some physiological advantages?
mbuna: fallen by the wayside.
DeathByGeekSquad: I just read the SI article.
mbuna: the Tour was a big thing to watch.
WhyteRaven74: Account Created To Respond To Your Idiocy: how long have you been following professional bicycle racing?I've been following it a good 25 years now, granted not as much in the early days since there wasn't as much on TV to watch and no internet, but back when LeMond won his Tours I was already a big fan. I never did race though I used to ride a bunch, at 15 I was riding a good 220 to 300 miles a week, depending a bit on the weather and I had no problem riding at a nice clip. And I really did want to race, alas the velodrome in the area wasn't exactly close to where I was growing up and getting my parents to agree to take me there a few times a week would've been a hard sell. And at the time wasn't very much in the area for road racing either. Though there was some stuff, tour rider Christian Vande Velde grew up not very far from where I did and he's just two years younger than I am. Then again his dad was a former rider, so wasn't like he had to ponder asking his parents if he could race.
Account Created To Respond To Your Idiocy: I rode at the BMX park for a session..
rga184: CommieTaoist: I don't really care but there still has been no clear evidence that he doped, the only thing they have is Landis who is hardly an impartial witness. This reeks of "everyone thinks he's guilty so he must be guilty" which is fine in the court of public opinion but not in anything that actually matters. They keep on investigating, investigating and investigating until finally anyone would have enough. Don't get me wrong, I'm not say he absolutely didn't dope but there has been no conclusive evidence released and you know damn well that the French would have been all over the media if there was any clear evidence.Agreed, every single allegation came from a cyclist who just happen to be selling a book.I would not be at all surprised if they found concrete evidence of his doing, but neither do I take his wins against former dopers as de facto proof of cheating. The guy had arguably the best tour de france teams assembled specifically to help him win. Look at his first victories against Ulrich. Armstrong had two out three guys pulling him up the mountain long after Ulrich's lieutenant had left him alone. That makes a hell of a difference.I actually met a guy who tested lance a an amateur. His VO2 max from that test is still the highest ever measured. Is it just possible the guy was just a statistical outlier?
HaywoodJablonski: That way, any effects of doping will have worn off
WhyteRaven74: Account Created To Respond To Your Idiocy: I rode at the BMX park for a session..heh I actually want to get a BMX bike myself.As for Armstrong and doping, he may well have done it, my issue is with how things are being handled. If there is a positive test result, there's no point in trying to line up people to testify and all the rest, you have physical proof of cheating and that ends it. Also there's issue of when the positive test result is from, if it's from 09 but they can't haven't turned up anything in his earlier samples, of which they would have lots, then the punishment is a bit hinky. But mostly I'm just a bit displeased with how the USADA is handling things.
Brigandaca: is that if done methodically in training it will never be picked up in a race and that was all the testing there was then
WhyteRaven74: Brigandaca: is that if done methodically in training it will never be picked up in a race and that was all the testing there was thenWell if it's done right it can work out that way, but the UCI is coming out with something called a blood passport that's going to make it a lot harder. Basically they'll take random samples of blood and urine and beyond checking for EPO they'll also check red blood cell counts and hemoglobin levels and establish they are within the rules. Then this will be used as a baseline for subsequent testing, you know what each riders' baseline counts are, so if they get tested during the season and all of a sudden their counts are off, it makes it easier to spot EPO use or transfusion based doping.
Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: The man has never failed a banned substances test. So why have various persons kept hounding him, looking for something, anything, to get him on? Why do they want so badly for it to be true that he used banned substances? And why is it that he can be stripped of his gold metal, Seven TourDeFrance wins and prize money since 1998 even though his accusers have not proven anything?
doglover: I consider doping to be acceptable
WhyteRaven74: So they have no positive drug tests, they aren't in charge of the Tour, but they want to strip him of the titles. Uh ok.
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