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(Sports Illustrated) NewsFlash Lance Armstrong's time in France rubs off as he surrenders to U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, loses Tour titles   (sportsillustrated.cnn.com) divider line 523
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2012-08-24 01:04:57 AM  

steamingpile: Its cycling and people pay attention to maybe one race a year and even then its only a curiosity at best.


That's only the case in America, in Europe? Not so much. Also there are plenty of Americans who follow cycling quite closely.

Rev.K: Seven times.


Armstrong won his first tour in 99, Landis wasn't even in the race until 02, and was nowhere near the front riders his firs two Tours. And in 06, the last time Armstrong won, Landis finished 9th, over 12 minutes behind Armstrong.
 
2012-08-24 01:07:20 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: doubled99: Here's the thing. He'a always been a gigantic asshole. This was well known to anyone who knew him before the cancer.The cancer thing just sanctified everything he did after. fark your fake hero.

Thank you for putting into words what this is all about. The whole sordid saga in 5 sentences. I'll distill it even further: I think he's a jerk so let's get him!


To be fair, he is a gigantic douche.
 
2012-08-24 01:07:59 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Armstrong won his first tour in 99, Landis wasn't even in the race until 02, and was nowhere near the front riders his firs two Tours. And in 06, the last time Armstrong won, Landis finished 9th, over 12 minutes behind Armstrong.


And we know Landis was doping.

We KNOW Landis was taking performance enhancing drugs and yet he finished behind Armstrong.

Interesting.
 
2012-08-24 01:08:07 AM  

Kouvre: Boy, I'm really glad our tax dollars were used to prove that Lance Armstrong cheated when he competed in cycling, instead of funding less important things like education and curing AIDS.


Only a small part of the USADA's budget comes from federal funds.
 
2012-08-24 01:08:24 AM  
I'm just glad I don't have to work tomorrow.

The wailing and gnashing of teeth would make my ears bleed.
 
2012-08-24 01:08:49 AM  
kevinsampsell.files.wordpress.com

RIP
 
2012-08-24 01:08:50 AM  
 
2012-08-24 01:11:36 AM  
So, "eyewitness testimony" from dudes with books to sell and axes to grind is way more true than a pile of passed tests? What a joke.
 
2012-08-24 01:13:37 AM  
Lance Armstrong now has more balls than tour titles.
 
2012-08-24 01:14:34 AM  

Rev.K: We KNOW Landis was taking performance enhancing drugs and yet he finished behind Armstrong.


Landis finished behind riders for whom there's no suspicion of doping. You might want to try a better argument, like Armstrong himself, not guilt by association.
 
2012-08-24 01:14:43 AM  

rga184: CommieTaoist: I don't really care but there still has been no clear evidence that he doped, the only thing they have is Landis who is hardly an impartial witness. This reeks of "everyone thinks he's guilty so he must be guilty" which is fine in the court of public opinion but not in anything that actually matters. They keep on investigating, investigating and investigating until finally anyone would have enough. Don't get me wrong, I'm not say he absolutely didn't dope but there has been no conclusive evidence released and you know damn well that the French would have been all over the media if there was any clear evidence.

Agreed, every single allegation came from a cyclist who just happen to be selling a book.

I would not be at all surprised if they found concrete evidence of his doing, but neither do I take his wins against former dopers as de facto proof of cheating. The guy had arguably the best tour de france teams assembled specifically to help him win. Look at his first victories against Ulrich. Armstrong had two out three guys pulling him up the mountain long after Ulrich's lieutenant had left him alone. That makes a hell of a difference.

I actually met a guy who tested lance a an amateur. His VO2 max from that test is still the highest ever measured. Is it just possible the guy was just a statistical outlier? What about people like Gebraselasie (sp?) who dominated long distance running at the olympics. Does the fact that he dominated dopers on his own prove something? Why isn't he getting accused?

Give me samples, and I'll believe it in a second, but winning isn't proof of doping, nor is gossip from people selling books. Hincapie's testimony s would be hard to ignore, but those other guys are really suspect in my book. If we are going to accuse everybody who wins the race of cheating, and say that their win itself is proof, what's the point of watching?


I don't think that's what's happening here but I do want to hear about the testosterone test from 09/10.

But really, at some point it just strains credibility that so many guys around him dope, but he beats them while not doping. And then they go on to say that he does too and he denies it. Once or twice and I'll reserve judgement. But at some point it stains credibility that all of these people are willing to tell the same lie about a former teammate and globally revered hero.

I'm jealous of lots of people. It doesn't really occur to me to holds a press conference and slander them though. And then keep getting other guys to make up the same story. I think some people are so invested in the myth of lance that they can't force themselves to see what's so obviously true.
 
2012-08-24 01:15:39 AM  
You know who else likes dope?
www.therealstevegray.com
 
dbv
2012-08-24 01:16:53 AM  

Rev.K: WhyteRaven74: Armstrong won his first tour in 99, Landis wasn't even in the race until 02, and was nowhere near the front riders his firs two Tours. And in 06, the last time Armstrong won, Landis finished 9th, over 12 minutes behind Armstrong.

And we know Landis was doping.

We KNOW Landis was taking performance enhancing drugs and yet he finished behind Armstrong.

Interesting.


Maybe I am missing something, but what does one have to do with the other? Are you saying that a person who does not take performance enhancing drugs should always finish behind a person who does take performance enhancing drugs? What about the those in places 7th-2nd, were they doping as well?
 
2012-08-24 01:17:54 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: whither_apophis: Dr. Steve Brule: I'm pretty sure someone just copied one of the Penn State threads and did a find/replace on "Joe Paterno" and "child rape" with "Lance Armstrong" and "doping."

Hero worshippers gonna hero-worship.

And in about three years this will become the "Chinese swimmer whose name I'm too lazy to look up" thread.

Remember when we got all those breathless stories about how much bigger Armstrong's lungs are than everyone else's? Phelps has had quite a few stories about his wingspan and flipper-like feet. I would not be surprised if we DID have that thread in 3 years.


Yeah, except at 6'4 you can SEE Phelps' wingspan and freakishly large feet.
 
2012-08-24 01:18:57 AM  

dbv: Maybe I am missing something, but what does one have to do with the other? Are you saying that a person who does not take performance enhancing drugs should always finish behind a person who does take performance enhancing drugs? What about the those in places 7th-2nd, were they doping as well?


Again.

I'm supposed to believe that Armstrong beat a field full of dopers, including his own teammate, Floyd Landis, not once, not twice, but seven consecutive times.

Armstrong took no performance enhancing drugs, none at all, and beat a field riddled with dopers seven times in a row.

No.

No. F*cking. Way.
 
2012-08-24 01:19:24 AM  
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2012-08-24 01:19:38 AM  
Great! Now all the guys with the Lance Armstrong starter kits won't be clogging up the roadways during rush hour.

\hopefully
 
2012-08-24 01:19:46 AM  

JohnBigBootay: hear about the testosterone test from 09/10.


ESPN said it's an EPO and blood transfusion thing, not a testosterone issue.
 
2012-08-24 01:22:43 AM  

Rev.K: Armstrong took no performance enhancing drugs, none at all, and beat a field riddled with dopers seven times in a row.


Miguel Indurain won the tour five times in a row, and was no talk of him doping except perhaps by a few just trying to stir the pot. Though riders he beat were busted for it and others were rumored to be doing it.
 
2012-08-24 01:25:05 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Miguel Indurain won the tour five times in a row, and was no talk of him doping except perhaps by a few just trying to stir the pot. Though riders he beat were busted for it and others were rumored to be doing it.


Then bust his ass too if he's guilty. I don't give a f*ck.

I'm merely pointing out that the logic one has to follow to believe that Armstrong didn't dope, WHILE HIS OWN TEAMMATE WAS DOING IT, is a pretty goddamn impossible story to believe.
 
2012-08-24 01:27:36 AM  
yiiiipppppie!
i have been waiting 1 years for this announcement!
I'm very happy!
 
2012-08-24 01:28:11 AM  

expobill: yiiiipppppie!
i have been waiting 11 years for this announcement!
I'm very happy!

 
2012-08-24 01:32:57 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Right, because stripping his titles means that nobody remembers he won them. You know who won those Tours if Lance didn't? The guy who finished dead last, because he was the only one who either didn't dope or sucked so bad at it that he deserves to win.


100%wrong!
 
2012-08-24 01:33:04 AM  

Barbecue Bob: [cbsbaltimore.files.wordpress.com image 300x381]
RIP Louis Armstrong


Over 75 posts before the first one?
 
2012-08-24 01:34:51 AM  
www.itv.com
 
2012-08-24 01:35:32 AM  
www.periodistadigital.com
 
2012-08-24 01:35:41 AM  

Rev.K: WHILE HIS OWN TEAMMATE WAS DOING IT,


Guilt by association doesn't work all that well. Riders have been busted while superior teammates not only haven't been busted but haven't been suspected of anything. If you want to focus on Armstrong, go nuts, but guilt by association in cycling doesn't necessarily work very well. Also keep in mind, Landis only ever failed one drug test, the test after the seventeenth stage in the 06 tour. And he failed for something that was readily and easily tested for at the time. Oh and in 05 when Landis finished 9th? He wasn't on the same team as Armstrong.
 
2012-08-24 01:35:56 AM  
Well, guess that means he's guilty. You don't just give up on something like this if you're actually innocent.
 
2012-08-24 01:36:13 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Rev.K: Armstrong took no performance enhancing drugs, none at all, and beat a field riddled with dopers seven times in a row.

Miguel Indurain won the tour five times in a row, and was no talk of him doping except perhaps by a few just trying to stir the pot. Though riders he beat were busted for it and others were rumored to be doing it.


I think that's the real issue for me. It's a sport where it seems that just about everyone was doping and we don't know exactly how long this has been going on. So, you strip Lance of his Tour wins but you don't touch Indurain? Or any number of Tour winners over the past 30 years? Everyone is suspect. So, how do you confidently strip Lance of his titles without stripping everyone else? It seems very arbitrary.

Just as with baseball, there are the heroes and the villains, but nobody can say for sure who did and who did not cheat. Yeah, Barry Bonds probably cheated, but so did Chuck Knoblauch. So, it's not like you can just spot the guy with the giant head and huge physique and say that he's the cheater, Anyone can be the cheater, and maybe everyone is. Nobody knows.

So, tar and feather whomever you want, but in this era of doping, which has been around for three decades at least, nobody can say without a shadow of a doubt who did, and who did not, cheat somewhere along the way.
 
2012-08-24 01:37:07 AM  
So out of 600 tests, all passed, they somehow still think he doped? Sounds very much like a witch hunt
 
2012-08-24 01:38:54 AM  
LIVEWRONG

/too soon?
 
2012-08-24 01:39:37 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Once again, the record for consecutive victories in France is held by Germany.


no, Indurain is the only cyclist to win 5 in a row.]
/viva banesto!
 
dbv
2012-08-24 01:39:55 AM  

Rev.K: WhyteRaven74: Miguel Indurain won the tour five times in a row, and was no talk of him doping except perhaps by a few just trying to stir the pot. Though riders he beat were busted for it and others were rumored to be doing it.

Then bust his ass too if he's guilty. I don't give a f*ck.

I'm merely pointing out that the logic one has to follow to believe that Armstrong didn't dope, WHILE HIS OWN TEAMMATE WAS DOING IT, is a pretty goddamn impossible story to believe.


I don't really follow cycling and couldn't care less if Armstrong is guilty or not. The youtube/espn level of fallacious arguments against Armstrong are kind of ridiculous in this thread though; is there a lot of butthurt in the cycling world against Lance or something?
 
2012-08-24 01:39:58 AM  
Okay, great, they got Armstrong like they always wanted.

Now what?

Now what does cycling have to show for... well, pretty much everything post-Miguel Indurain? Now it's just an unbroken wake of doping, doping, doping in just about every major Tour de France jersey since then, to the point where you have to think really, really hard to come up with anyone who's actually been clean the whole time. There's almost nobody left to bust anymore.
 
2012-08-24 01:42:27 AM  

BobNesta420: Everyone is suspect.


There really wouldn't be a reason to suspect Indurain given what was widely known and circulated about his physiology that provided him advantages as is that couldn't be gotten by taking any sort of performance enhancer.
 
2012-08-24 01:43:18 AM  

JohnBigBootay: But most of all he doesn't want you to see George Hincapie on the stand. Because he knows George will tell the truth and you'll believe him.



Oh bull shiat. They rounded up cyclists caught doping red handed and offered reduced suspensions (as opposed to lifetime bans) if they would offer testimony implicating Armstrong in doping. If you think that's proof, or even remotely believable, then you're a fool.
 
2012-08-24 01:46:03 AM  
20054 Francisco Mancebo (ESP) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne +9' 59"

Banesto's 10th yellow jersey!
 
2012-08-24 01:47:32 AM  
Usain Bolt, winner 100m 200m gold in 2008.
Usain Bolt, winner 100m 200m gold in 2012.

DOPER!
 
2012-08-24 01:47:36 AM  

WhyteRaven74: BobNesta420: Everyone is suspect.

There really wouldn't be a reason to suspect Indurain given what was widely known and circulated about his physiology that provided him advantages as is that couldn't be gotten by taking any sort of performance enhancer.


what i love about Miguel was he suffered from seasonally allergies, like i do!
he is one of the greatest!
 
2012-08-24 01:50:13 AM  
www.esciclismo.com
 
2012-08-24 01:50:14 AM  

JohnBigBootay: Just google George Hincapie. He was on every team and considered to be his number one lieutenant and extremely loyal and honest to a fault. Never tested positive for anything either. He certainly has no reason to lie about lance and every reason to lie for lance. Anyway, that's whose testimony I want to see.



Well if Armstrong conceding the case is an admission of guilt that he doped then Hincapie's outright admission to the USADA that he doped should be proof enough that he isn't honest to a fault and he tested positive at some point. The fact that he is implicating Lance in exchange for a lenient 6 month ban (in a case devoid of anything other than purchased testimony) should tell you that he has every reason to lie.
 
2012-08-24 01:52:23 AM  
Sorry but no matter how much he whines about getting beat by dopers Greg LeMond was not clean either.
 
2012-08-24 01:56:23 AM  

relaxitsjustme: Greg LeMond was not clean either.


And your proof is?
 
kab
2012-08-24 01:58:06 AM  
Can you blame him? He probably figures that he's made enough money, so is basically saying "fark you, think whatever you want".

USADA and ICU need to come to grips that if you don't get busted AT THE TIME of the competition, that's the end of the story. Write it down, hand over the crown, and move on to next year. And if that's not going to be the case, hopefully Indurain, Mercx, Hinault, and all the other multi-time winners are put under just as much scrutiny as Armstrong... but you know that won't happen.

Either way, the end result is a general public that simply assumes that every last winner of this race is a doper that simply hasn't been busted yet, and that isn't going to help the sport whatsoever, nor any other sports where drug testing is a huge issue.
 
2012-08-24 02:01:51 AM  

WhyteRaven74: relaxitsjustme: Greg LeMond was not clean either.

And your proof is?


There is no proof, only some circumstantial evidence that cannot be ignored. #1 is the fact that he held the TdF ITT record for years. Even through the 'doping era' on equipment that was not nearly as aero as the stuff they are riding now. Without checking it I think it's still the 2nd or 3rd fastest.
 
2012-08-24 02:04:15 AM  

kab: Can you blame him? He probably figures that he's made enough money, so is basically saying "fark you, think whatever you want".

USADA and ICU need to come to grips that if you don't get busted AT THE TIME of the competition, that's the end of the story. Write it down, hand over the crown, and move on to next year. And if that's not going to be the case, hopefully Indurain, Mercx, Hinault, and all the other multi-time winners are put under just as much scrutiny as Armstrong... but you know that won't happen.

Either way, the end result is a general public that simply assumes that every last winner of this race is a doper that simply hasn't been busted yet, and that isn't going to help the sport whatsoever, nor any other sports where drug testing is a huge issue.


There should definitely be a time limit on this kind of thing. If you can't prove it in say, 2 years after the race, then they won end of story.
 
2012-08-24 02:04:22 AM  
Jens Voigt of RadioShack-Nissan-Trek Dominates Stage 4 of the 2012 USA Pro Challenge.

He's 41 year old.

/obviously a doper
 
2012-08-24 02:09:39 AM  
That Lance Armstrong is one nutty guy!

/get it?
 
kab
2012-08-24 02:11:15 AM  

Gosling: Now what does cycling have to show for... well, pretty much everything post-Miguel Indurain? Now it's just an unbroken wake of doping, doping, doping in just about every major Tour de France jersey since then,


Now? It's been part of the tour since the race started. They didn't even start testing for it until 1965.
 
2012-08-24 02:11:48 AM  

relaxitsjustme: #1 is the fact that he held the TdF ITT record for years


If you mean the speed record, he stills has it. Also LeMond rode in an era where you were allowed to time trial on a bike where the front wheel was smaller than the back wheel which would put the rider in fairly aerodynamic body position. Interestingly LeMond didn't always use such a bike for time trials, but here's a pic from one time trial when he did

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
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