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2012-08-23 11:55:28 PM
"The Aurora theater where the Batman shooting occurred also had a gun-free policy,"

I think this has become the Godwin's Law of gun threads.
 
2012-08-24 12:14:33 AM
i can't think of a better place for guns than a freshman dorm where kids are experiencing the rigors of college, a lack of supervision, unlimited alcohol and drugs, and the social stresses of college for the first time.
 
2012-08-24 12:28:00 AM

thomps: i can't think of a better place for guns than a freshman dorm where kids are experiencing the rigors of college, a lack of supervision, unlimited alcohol and drugs, and the social stresses of college for the first time.


And a seemingly endless supply of dollar-store locks on room doors. Usually when a kid wants a free gun, he needs to walk far enough to find a car with an NRA bumper sticker and a rock.
 
2012-08-24 01:40:56 AM

thomps: i can't think of a better place for guns than a freshman dorm where kids are experiencing the rigors of college, a lack of supervision, unlimited alcohol and drugs, and the social stresses of college for the first time.


Freshmen can't get carry licenses. You have to be 21. That's going to be mostly 3rd+ year students.
 
2012-08-24 01:42:10 AM
I thought that was kind of how it already was in Boulder. You can have guns but you have to store them somewhere. How is this ne-

"It is legal now to bring your concealed carry weapon with you, as long as you're a permit holder and keep it concealed."

Oh...
 
2012-08-24 01:54:26 AM

MisterTweak: thomps: i can't think of a better place for guns than a freshman dorm where kids are experiencing the rigors of college, a lack of supervision, unlimited alcohol and drugs, and the social stresses of college for the first time.

And a seemingly endless supply of dollar-store locks on room doors. Usually when a kid wants a free gun, he needs to walk far enough to find a car with an NRA bumper sticker and a rock.


Which is why I don't keep any rocks in my car.
 
2012-08-24 01:56:41 AM

fusillade762: "The Aurora theater where the Batman shooting occurred also had a gun-free policy,"

I think this has become the Godwin's Law of gun threads.


Why? It's a good point.

A lot of mass shootings are in gun free zones. That's because the psychos who commit mass shootings are attracted to defenseless targets. That's why when people discuss the difficulty of defending oneself in a shooting, pointing out the carnage that would ensue, they may be missing the point that many attacks would have been prevented.
 
2012-08-24 01:58:40 AM

thomps: i can't think of a better place for guns than a freshman dorm where kids are experiencing the rigors of college, a lack of supervision, unlimited alcohol and drugs, and the social stresses of college for the first time.


Meh. They just graduated from a post-Columbine-environment high school. They can deal with a few folks packing.
 
2012-08-24 02:02:11 AM

thomps: i can't think of a better place for guns than a freshman dorm where kids are experiencing the rigors of college, a lack of supervision, unlimited alcohol and drugs, and the social stresses of college for the first time.


What it like to be so afraid?
 
2012-08-24 02:03:37 AM

flak attack: thomps: i can't think of a better place for guns than a freshman dorm where kids are experiencing the rigors of college, a lack of supervision, unlimited alcohol and drugs, and the social stresses of college for the first time.

Freshmen can't get carry licenses. You have to be 21. That's going to be mostly 3rd+ year students.


and even then, they don't hand out concealed carry to all applicants. a classroom full of young adults who were raised around firearms is probably a lot safer than one hoodlum moran sporting a poorly maintained illegal gun.
 
2012-08-24 02:06:45 AM

KrispyKritter: sporting a poorly maintained illegal gun.


Sounds scary.
 
2012-08-24 02:12:09 AM

flak attack: thomps: i can't think of a better place for guns than a freshman dorm where kids are experiencing the rigors of college, a lack of supervision, unlimited alcohol and drugs, and the social stresses of college for the first time.

Freshmen can't get carry licenses. You have to be 21. That's going to be mostly 3rd+ year students.


They never listen when people bring this up. In their minds, they think that an NRA representative is there to hand out automatic baby-killing assault pistols with extended clips to every teenager that enrolls at the school. They also think that everyone who has gone through with CCW is going to flip and start shooting whenever they disagree with a fellow student or professor over their grade.
 
2012-08-24 02:16:44 AM
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Guns and chronic, what can go wrong?
 
2012-08-24 02:17:39 AM

flak attack: thomps: i can't think of a better place for guns than a freshman dorm where kids are experiencing the rigors of college, a lack of supervision, unlimited alcohol and drugs, and the social stresses of college for the first time.

Freshmen can't get concealed-carry licenses. You have to be 21. That's going to be mostly 3rd+ year students.


I didn't fact-check that because it's largely irrelevant. In Colorado you can open-carry if you're 18+.

How many gun shows have ever been robbed at gunpoint? How many banks?
 
2012-08-24 02:24:00 AM
Guns are wonderful. But there's no way in hell I'd be alive today if the idiots from my dorm had had guns under their beds. None whatsoever.
 
2012-08-24 02:28:10 AM

Fark It: flak attack: thomps: i can't think of a better place for guns than a freshman dorm where kids are experiencing the rigors of college, a lack of supervision, unlimited alcohol and drugs, and the social stresses of college for the first time.

Freshmen can't get carry licenses. You have to be 21. That's going to be mostly 3rd+ year students.

They never listen when people bring this up. In their minds, they think that an NRA representative is there to hand out automatic baby-killing assault pistols with extended clips to every teenager that enrolls at the school. They also think that everyone who has gone through with CCW is going to flip and start shooting whenever they disagree with a fellow student or professor over their grade.


Exactly. Point to the CCW enrollment numbers and show them how few students are likely to be carrying.
According to this site, there are 139,560 permit holders in a state of 5,029,196 people (2010 Census). That's 2.7% of the general population.
Now, how many licensees are enrolled in college, and at that particular school? The numbers certainly get smaller and smaller.


They're better off getting worked up over which nasty brute is going to give their princess a case of genital warts.
 
2012-08-24 02:37:09 AM
As a former CU dorm resident whose roommate was arrested for felony assault, I'm getting a real kick.
 
2012-08-24 02:55:28 AM

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Guns and chronic, what can go wrong?


"shiat man, I forgot to load it."
 
2012-08-24 03:03:22 AM

thomps: i can't think of a better place for guns than a freshman dorm where kids are experiencing the rigors of college, a lack of supervision, unlimited alcohol and drugs, and the social stresses of college for the first time.


More importantly, you have roommates, suitemates, and you're surrounded by people under 21 and/or under 18 (depending on your state) to whom providing access to a firearm is a bigass felony. Technically not illegal in itself in most states, but still not really a good idea generally speaking. You're one forgotten lock-closing on a hard case from some class-A felony negligence action there.

Though, in a practical sense, anyone over 21 in the undergrad housing should be under observation for being over 21 in the undergrad housing, that's kind of a red flag that you're potentially dangerously unstable to begin with. Really, you're so socially or financially inept that you can't find a roommate that'll trust you to split an apartment three to four years in? It's only a matter of time before you accidentally stab yourself to death with a pencil or something.
 
2012-08-24 03:16:40 AM

Fark It: flak attack: thomps: i can't think of a better place for guns than a freshman dorm where kids are experiencing the rigors of college, a lack of supervision, unlimited alcohol and drugs, and the social stresses of college for the first time.

Freshmen can't get carry licenses. You have to be 21. That's going to be mostly 3rd+ year students.

They never listen when people bring this up. In their minds, they think that an NRA representative is there to hand out automatic baby-killing assault pistols with extended clips to every teenager that enrolls at the school. They also think that everyone who has gone through with CCW is going to flip and start shooting whenever they disagree with a fellow student or professor over their grade.


What pistol has a clip?
 
2012-08-24 03:25:49 AM

StoPPeRmobile: Fark It: flak attack: thomps: i can't think of a better place for guns than a freshman dorm where kids are experiencing the rigors of college, a lack of supervision, unlimited alcohol and drugs, and the social stresses of college for the first time.

Freshmen can't get carry licenses. You have to be 21. That's going to be mostly 3rd+ year students.

They never listen when people bring this up. In their minds, they think that an NRA representative is there to hand out automatic baby-killing assault pistols with extended clips to every teenager that enrolls at the school. They also think that everyone who has gone through with CCW is going to flip and start shooting whenever they disagree with a fellow student or professor over their grade.

What pistol has a clip?


world.guns.ru
 
2012-08-24 03:30:58 AM

StoPPeRmobile: What pistol has a clip?


Revolvers. You can apparently also use a stripper clip as a speed-loader, according to wiki, though I've not ever actually done that. I have used moon clips for a high-caliber revolver, though, they're fairly popular.
 
2012-08-24 03:40:00 AM
If you need a gun to feel safe on a college campus, you are a coward. Plain and simple. I don't want to denigrate gun owners who use their gun on the range, or for hunting, or because they live in an area where they might need a gun (i.e., a remote Colorado ranch). But if you can't feel safe on the University of Colorado's campus without a gun, you're a coward, and nothing is more dangerous than a coward with a gun.
 
2012-08-24 03:48:08 AM

pion: nothing is more dangerous than a coward with a gun.


Myopic coward with a gun.
 
2012-08-24 03:54:06 AM

pion: If you need a gun to feel safe on a college campus, you are a coward. Plain and simple. I don't want to denigrate gun owners who use their gun on the range, or for hunting, or because they live in an area where they might need a gun (i.e., a remote Colorado ranch). But if you can't feel safe on the University of Colorado's campus without a gun, you're a coward, and nothing is more dangerous than a coward with a gun.


It's not so much that people need guns on college campuses (clearly they don't, I mean no crimes ever happen on college campuses), it's that 21+ students who may have off-campus jobs and residences shouldn't be forced to not carry whatever day they don't have classes.

If you feel unsafe on the University of Colorado's campus with people allowed to lawfully carry concealed guns, you're a coward.
 
2012-08-24 04:15:35 AM

Arcanum: fusillade762: "The Aurora theater where the Batman shooting occurred also had a gun-free policy,"

I think this has become the Godwin's Law of gun threads.

Why? It's a good point.

A lot of mass shootings are in gun free zones. That's because the psychos who commit mass shootings are attracted to defenseless targets. That's why when people discuss the difficulty of defending oneself in a shooting, pointing out the carnage that would ensue, they may be missing the point that many attacks would have been prevented.


A lot of buildings are in "don't fly airplanes into us zones", 100% of murders occur in murder-free zones! That alarming statistic also covers rape and a few other crimes. Why isn't anyone respecting these zones?!!
 
2012-08-24 04:20:52 AM

Fark It: pion: If you need a gun to feel safe on a college campus, you are a coward. Plain and simple. I don't want to denigrate gun owners who use their gun on the range, or for hunting, or because they live in an area where they might need a gun (i.e., a remote Colorado ranch). But if you can't feel safe on the University of Colorado's campus without a gun, you're a coward, and nothing is more dangerous than a coward with a gun.

It's not so much that people need guns on college campuses (clearly they don't, I mean no crimes ever happen on college campuses), it's that 21+ students who may have off-campus jobs and residences shouldn't be forced to not carry whatever day they don't have classes.

If you feel unsafe on the University of Colorado's campus with people allowed to lawfully carry concealed guns, you're a coward.


Hmm. I dunno. I've been to some farked up frat parties in college. I'd hate to think of some of those drunk idiots armed. These are guys who are level headed, easy going guys sober. Throw some tequila into them and they are bashing people's and each others heads. I wouldn't want them carrying. They'd be dead or maimed in 3 months.
 
2012-08-24 04:30:18 AM

MagSeven: Fark It: pion: If you need a gun to feel safe on a college campus, you are a coward. Plain and simple. I don't want to denigrate gun owners who use their gun on the range, or for hunting, or because they live in an area where they might need a gun (i.e., a remote Colorado ranch). But if you can't feel safe on the University of Colorado's campus without a gun, you're a coward, and nothing is more dangerous than a coward with a gun.

It's not so much that people need guns on college campuses (clearly they don't, I mean no crimes ever happen on college campuses), it's that 21+ students who may have off-campus jobs and residences shouldn't be forced to not carry whatever day they don't have classes.

If you feel unsafe on the University of Colorado's campus with people allowed to lawfully carry concealed guns, you're a coward.

Hmm. I dunno. I've been to some farked up frat parties in college. I'd hate to think of some of those drunk idiots armed. These are guys who are level headed, easy going guys sober. Throw some tequila into them and they are bashing people's and each others heads. I wouldn't want them carrying. They'd be dead or maimed in 3 months.


It sounds like you're projecting. And I'm pretty sure it's illegal to drink while carrying concealed in Colorado. It's a maturity thing. I would say the average CCer is a bit more mature than a typical fraternity member.
 
2012-08-24 04:32:04 AM

MagSeven: Arcanum: fusillade762: "The Aurora theater where the Batman shooting occurred also had a gun-free policy,"

I think this has become the Godwin's Law of gun threads.

Why? It's a good point.

A lot of mass shootings are in gun free zones. That's because the psychos who commit mass shootings are attracted to defenseless targets. That's why when people discuss the difficulty of defending oneself in a shooting, pointing out the carnage that would ensue, they may be missing the point that many attacks would have been prevented.

A lot of buildings are in "don't fly airplanes into us zones", 100% of murders occur in murder-free zones! That alarming statistic also covers rape and a few other crimes. Why isn't anyone respecting these zones?!!


I can't believe I got this far in the thread before someone refuted that garbage.
 
2012-08-24 04:40:29 AM

cfffffgagffacfacfacfacfacccccfcaaffff: pion: nothing is more dangerous than a coward with a gun.

Myopic coward with a gun.


And palsy...
 
2012-08-24 05:01:42 AM

Jim_Callahan: StoPPeRmobile: What pistol has a clip?

Revolvers. You can apparently also use a stripper clip as a speed-loader, according to wiki, though I've not ever actually done that. I have used moon clips for a high-caliber revolver, though, they're fairly popular.


Revolvers aren't pistols.
 
2012-08-24 05:04:06 AM

Arcanum: A lot of mass shootings are in gun free zones. That's because the psychos who commit mass shootings are attracted to defenseless targets. That's why when people discuss the difficulty of defending oneself in a shooting, pointing out the carnage that would ensue, they may be missing the point that many attacks would have been prevented.


Also, as if carnage didn't ensue anyway.
 
2012-08-24 05:11:21 AM
I don't know how a lot of you can sleep at night. Doesn't your hold on your gun loosen then? You could be killed! Why are you sleeping?
 
2012-08-24 07:14:50 AM

JohnBigBootay: Guns are wonderful. But there's no way in hell I'd be alive today if the idiots from my dorm had had guns under their beds. None whatsoever.


They already DID have guns under their beds. Firearms were banned at my university and there were plenty of people with firearms.

I can understand for some. They would go to school and not really have a place to keep their things. I was fortunate to have nearby relatives who kept my firearms.

It IS kind of stupid the way we treat adults as children until age 25 in the US. If you force the notion on people that they are incapable of controlling themselves don't be surprised when they take you up on the offer.
 
2012-08-24 07:16:33 AM

StoPPeRmobile: Jim_Callahan: StoPPeRmobile: What pistol has a clip?

Revolvers. You can apparently also use a stripper clip as a speed-loader, according to wiki, though I've not ever actually done that. I have used moon clips for a high-caliber revolver, though, they're fairly popular.

Revolvers aren't pistols.


The only thing worse than apple fan boys. Terminology pedants.
 
2012-08-24 07:24:08 AM

Jim_Callahan: thomps: i can't think of a better place for guns than a freshman dorm where kids are experiencing the rigors of college, a lack of supervision, unlimited alcohol and drugs, and the social stresses of college for the first time.

More importantly, you have roommates, suitemates, and you're surrounded by people under 21 and/or under 18 (depending on your state) to whom providing access to a firearm is a bigass felony. Technically not illegal in itself in most states, but still not really a good idea generally speaking. You're one forgotten lock-closing on a hard case from some class-A felony negligence action there.

Though, in a practical sense, anyone over 21 in the undergrad housing should be under observation for being over 21 in the undergrad housing, that's kind of a red flag that you're potentially dangerously unstable to begin with. Really, you're so socially or financially inept that you can't find a roommate that'll trust you to split an apartment three to four years in? It's only a matter of time before you accidentally stab yourself to death with a pencil or something.


You sound precious and snowflakey.

Oh noes, someone is living in multiunit housing instead of living in this other multiunit housing complex.
 
2012-08-24 07:49:59 AM

MagSeven: Hmm. I dunno. I've been to some farked up frat parties in college. I'd hate to think of some of those drunk idiots armed. These are guys who are level headed, easy going guys sober. Throw some tequila into them and they are bashing people's and each others heads. I wouldn't want them carrying. They'd be dead or maimed in 3 months.


Why do you hate Darwin?
 
2012-08-24 08:05:40 AM

Fark It: StoPPeRmobile: Fark It: flak attack: thomps: i can't think of a better place for guns than a freshman dorm where kids are experiencing the rigors of college, a lack of supervision, unlimited alcohol and drugs, and the social stresses of college for the first time.

Freshmen can't get carry licenses. You have to be 21. That's going to be mostly 3rd+ year students.

They never listen when people bring this up. In their minds, they think that an NRA representative is there to hand out automatic baby-killing assault pistols with extended clips to every teenager that enrolls at the school. They also think that everyone who has gone through with CCW is going to flip and start shooting whenever they disagree with a fellow student or professor over their grade.

What pistol has a clip?

[world.guns.ru image 650x545]

forum.ohrana.ru
 
2012-08-24 08:24:18 AM
Meh. I went to a fairly well known professional school in NY State and we were allowed to have firearms on campus, but had to leave them with campus security. Lots of us hunted, shot skeet and trap, or just liked target shooting, so it was nice to be able to be out of town and have them nearby.

That said, I doubt anyone would try anything at that school seeing as how every student is armed to the teeth with 10" long knives.
 
2012-08-24 08:26:18 AM

pion: If you need a gun to feel safe on a college campus, you are a coward. Plain and simple. I don't want to denigrate gun owners who use their gun on the range, or for hunting, or because they live in an area where they might need a gun (i.e., a remote Colorado ranch). But if you can't feel safe on the University of Colorado's campus without a gun, you're a coward, and nothing is more dangerous than a coward with a gun.


Erroneous. While the article focuses on concealed carry, ALL guns are now allowed, so you can keep a rifle or a shotgun in your trunk. Some people hunt, and don't want to drive ten hours home to pick up their gun each morning.
 
2012-08-24 08:51:36 AM
pion

If you need a gun to feel safe on a college campus, you are a coward. Plain and simple. I don't want to denigrate gun owners who use their gun on the range, or for hunting, or because they live in an area where they might need a gun (i.e., a remote Colorado ranch). But if you can't feel safe on the University of Colorado's campus without a gun, you're a coward, and nothing is more dangerous than a coward with a gun.

Because nobody ever attempts to do harm to another at a school.
 
2012-08-24 08:55:18 AM

Arcanum: fusillade762: "The Aurora theater where the Batman shooting occurred also had a gun-free policy,"

I think this has become the Godwin's Law of gun threads.

Why? It's a good point.

A lot of mass shootings are in gun free zones. That's because the psychos who commit mass shootings are attracted to defenseless targets. That's why when people discuss the difficulty of defending oneself in a shooting, pointing out the carnage that would ensue, they may be missing the point that many attacks would have been prevented.


You are assuming that individuals who engage in such behaviour are sufficiently rational or coherent to consider the possibility of legally armed civilians.
 
2012-08-24 08:56:18 AM

JohnBigBootay: Guns are wonderful. But there's no way in hell I'd be alive today if the idiots from my dorm had had guns under their beds. None whatsoever.


Perhaps you should not have robbed the other students.
 
2012-08-24 09:04:17 AM

Dimensio: Arcanum: fusillade762: "The Aurora theater where the Batman shooting occurred also had a gun-free policy,"

I think this has become the Godwin's Law of gun threads.

Why? It's a good point.

A lot of mass shootings are in gun free zones. That's because the psychos who commit mass shootings are attracted to defenseless targets. That's why when people discuss the difficulty of defending oneself in a shooting, pointing out the carnage that would ensue, they may be missing the point that many attacks would have been prevented.

You are assuming that individuals who engage in such behaviour are sufficiently rational or coherent to consider the possibility of legally armed civilians.


Also assumed: that along with the large number of gun crimes in "gun-free zones", we have an equal stack of gun crimes committed in "guns a-okay zones" in which the armed, heroic, America-loving civilians saved the day with their sidearms.
 
2012-08-24 09:06:09 AM

InvertedB: MagSeven: Arcanum: fusillade762: "The Aurora theater where the Batman shooting occurred also had a gun-free policy,"

I think this has become the Godwin's Law of gun threads.

Why? It's a good point.

A lot of mass shootings are in gun free zones. That's because the psychos who commit mass shootings are attracted to defenseless targets. That's why when people discuss the difficulty of defending oneself in a shooting, pointing out the carnage that would ensue, they may be missing the point that many attacks would have been prevented.

A lot of buildings are in "don't fly airplanes into us zones", 100% of murders occur in murder-free zones! That alarming statistic also covers rape and a few other crimes. Why isn't anyone respecting these zones?!!

I can't believe I got this far in the thread before someone refuted that garbage.


You guys are retarded nancy boys. Making a place an " blank free" zone doesn't do anything, it just disarms the law abiding citizens. And Mag7, even trying to compare planes, and rape to carrying guns is stupid. You can't fly a plane into a terrorists plane to stop them, you cant rape a rapist to stop them. You can shoot a gunman though.
 
2012-08-24 09:11:33 AM
I think one of the bigger issues that no one has mentioned is increasing trend of students coming to school who have mental/emotional issues. There is nothing that requires them to disclose if they have any problems. I've been working in housing at a university for about 5 years now, and I can tell you that suicide ideation is a very, very common occurance. One of the only reasons that you don't hear about more suicides on college campuses as you do is because students who attempt it aren't successful. Having access to a gun greatly increases the chance for a completed suicide attempt (there's no going back once you pull a trigger). It's the same reason that men are more likely to complete a suicide attempt then women because they are also more likely to use a gun.

TL:DR-guns shouldn't be on college campuses because of an increasing trend for students to come to school with mental or emotional trauma already present.
 
2012-08-24 09:20:26 AM
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2012-08-24 09:27:03 AM

Jegred2: InvertedB: MagSeven: Arcanum: fusillade762: "The Aurora theater where the Batman shooting occurred also had a gun-free policy,"

I think this has become the Godwin's Law of gun threads.

Why? It's a good point.

A lot of mass shootings are in gun free zones. That's because the psychos who commit mass shootings are attracted to defenseless targets. That's why when people discuss the difficulty of defending oneself in a shooting, pointing out the carnage that would ensue, they may be missing the point that many attacks would have been prevented.

A lot of buildings are in "don't fly airplanes into us zones", 100% of murders occur in murder-free zones! That alarming statistic also covers rape and a few other crimes. Why isn't anyone respecting these zones?!!

I can't believe I got this far in the thread before someone refuted that garbage.

You guys are retarded nancy boys. Making a place an " blank free" zone doesn't do anything, it just disarms the law abiding citizens. And Mag7, even trying to compare planes, and rape to carrying guns is stupid. You can't fly a plane into a terrorists plane to stop them, you cant rape a rapist to stop them. You can shoot a gunman though.


If a guy tries to rape me, but then I rape him instead, yeah, I have stopped him.
 
2012-08-24 09:43:30 AM

Jegred2: InvertedB: MagSeven: Arcanum: fusillade762: "The Aurora theater where the Batman shooting occurred also had a gun-free policy,"

I think this has become the Godwin's Law of gun threads.

Why? It's a good point.

A lot of mass shootings are in gun free zones. That's because the psychos who commit mass shootings are attracted to defenseless targets. That's why when people discuss the difficulty of defending oneself in a shooting, pointing out the carnage that would ensue, they may be missing the point that many attacks would have been prevented.

A lot of buildings are in "don't fly airplanes into us zones", 100% of murders occur in murder-free zones! That alarming statistic also covers rape and a few other crimes. Why isn't anyone respecting these zones?!!

I can't believe I got this far in the thread before someone refuted that garbage.

You guys are retarded nancy boys. Making a place an " blank free" zone doesn't do anything, it just disarms the law abiding citizens. And Mag7, even trying to compare planes, and rape to carrying guns is stupid. You can't fly a plane into a terrorists plane to stop them, you cant rape a rapist to stop them. You can shoot a gunman though.


You know, I don't want to deny people the right to own firearms... maybe if we only deny the stupid or mentally unstable from owning firearms? I mean you can talk about how much safer the US is because the populace can carry guns, but the lower per capita murder rate in places like the UK where guns are banned sort of laughs in the face of that argument.

I get this is a touchy subject... I don't want to ban all guns, but anytime someone brings up this 'we're safer for owning them' idea I always have to pipe up and call bullshiat, because every civilized country with gun bans right now shows that argument as factually incorrect and silly. At least use valid points when arguing gun ownership.
 
2012-08-24 09:45:48 AM
Umh when I went to college you couldn't store the gun in the dorm room. There was a locked room in the basement filled with additional lockers where you stored them. You rented it from the school. This was primarily for hunting rifles, but there were also handguns. No one daily carried, who used my locker at least, carried on campus. If you had to go down to Detroit for the evening you might go did the handgun out, but you didn't really carry just wandering around Ann Arbor.

The problem was areas like schools used to be more reasonable. You could have the guns, they gave you a secure place to lock them up, and it was generally agreed that the guns were best left locked up while you went out to drink, etc. The only gun ban I never encountered was in a couple labs where the rules were "no watches, jewelry, gun holsters, or anything else that could snag on the machinery". Now places ban the guns and then people cling to them as a way of giving a middle finger to authority. If you are attending a college where you feel the need to pack daily heat, you should have had better grades and gone to a better campus.

/although with the way the AA mayor is cutting cops, people may be packing as a matter of course in another 5 years
 
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