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(Reuters)   '20 reasons not to attack Iran.' Strangely, 'Not our problem' absent from list   (reuters.com) divider line 157
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2012-08-24 12:23:45 AM  

Acharne: Generation_D: Whoever wants to attack Iran, get your sorry chicken hawk neocon ass in a uniform and enlist.

BroncoFan_17: "Eighth, an Israeli or U.S. strike on Iran would kill the hopes for rapprochement between Tehran and Washington for decades to come."

Yeah, because we've gotten along so well over the last few decades.

"First, Iran has become the leading country in the Muslim world advocating for an end to nuclear weapons by religiously committing itself against weapons of mass destruction (WMD). The Iranian Supreme Leader issued a Religious Decree, or Fatwa, that forbids the production, stockpiling and use of all WMDs."

Anybody who believes that these guys are adhering to that are naive.

Akmafukinslob has already said he wanted to wipe Isreal off the face of the earth. If you think he isn't trying to develope a nuke to do just that, you're an idiot. He would go down in history as the most holy muslin since Mohammed. Trust me. His pathologically narcissistic ass WANTS that.

Today it's a nuke that they can lob into Isreal. Tommorow it's an ICBM.

These people HATE us, folks. They've hated us for decades. It's in their freakin religion to hate us. They count on the fact that can pursuade us into thinking that they're not up to no good. And when they've lulled the majority of us to sleep, they'll laugh in our faces for being so "naive" as they kill thousands.

You're so out to lunch it is deadly. Iranians do not hate the United States. Their a bit bitter about the restoration of the monarchy, but that's because they had a stable democracy before.

Iran does not want to build nuclear weapons. To think so is to jump into this ongoing narrative that is so tired.

Remeber. Iranians hate their government. They don't hate Israel. Don't confuse the two. The Iranian government is horrible. The average Iranian is not.

You're post is dangerous lunacy.


Well, it's going to be the Iranian government that launches any attack. I doubt any American or Isreali loving Iranian citizens will be able to prevent it. Your post is the one that is dangerous lunacy. You're one of those who are being lulled to sleep.
 
2012-08-24 12:24:15 AM  

ontariolightning: cameroncrazy1984: ontariolightning: Eh, the west is turning socialist? Do you even know how dumb that sounds? Do you even know what real socialist countries look like? probably not

Yes, they look like Norway, Finland, Sweden, and to a lesser extent France and the UK.

Those are Social Democracies. Learn the difference between socialist countries and socialist democracies, then get back to me aight?


I'm sure you could enlighten us.
 
2012-08-24 12:25:45 AM  

swangoatman: You mean he STOLE our money and infrastructure like a common thief.It's the same thing all DICTATORS do.


It was only fair. You were stealing their oil. ;)
 
2012-08-24 12:32:24 AM  

Parmenius: ontariolightning: cameroncrazy1984: ontariolightning: Eh, the west is turning socialist? Do you even know how dumb that sounds? Do you even know what real socialist countries look like? probably not

Yes, they look like Norway, Finland, Sweden, and to a lesser extent France and the UK.

Those are Social Democracies. Learn the difference between socialist countries and socialist democracies, then get back to me aight?

I'm sure you could enlighten us.


You're all free to be wrong. But anyone who knows the subject knows those countries mentioned are not socialist countries. Once again the American media dumbing down its people.
 
2012-08-24 12:35:10 AM  

ontariolightning: Parmenius: ontariolightning: cameroncrazy1984: ontariolightning: Eh, the west is turning socialist? Do you even know how dumb that sounds? Do you even know what real socialist countries look like? probably not

Yes, they look like Norway, Finland, Sweden, and to a lesser extent France and the UK.

Those are Social Democracies. Learn the difference between socialist countries and socialist democracies, then get back to me aight?

I'm sure you could enlighten us.

You're all free to be wrong. But anyone who knows the subject knows those countries mentioned are not socialist countries. Once again the American media dumbing down its people.


When the liberal can't answer they always turn to name calling. Go back to sleep twig.
 
2012-08-24 12:40:50 AM  

I had Snu Snu: ontariolightning: Quasar: Technically, it is a problem we caused.

Killing Iran's # 1 enemy... Saddam Hussein, which allowed hundreds of suicide groups sympathetic to Iran
to take hold of the region... yeah, you're damn right it's the United States fault. Way to go champ.

Sorry Kiddo, grown ups are talking. When your country actually matters sometimes things aren't so simple, I wouldn't expect you to understand.

Anyways, of course going to war with Iran would be idiotic (especially now) but that article was a godamned joke. We're not going to war with Iran though, not a chance. Obama doesn't have the political capital to pull something like that off and we just can't afford it right now.

 
2012-08-24 12:42:10 AM  
God farking dammit. What I meant to post was essentially 'Fark you I had Snu Snu'

Your country would be a goddamn economic mess without Canada. Sure we'd be farked with you, but circle of life. Don't be a jack ass.
 
2012-08-24 12:54:04 AM  

Tellingthem:

"While the Agency continues to verify the non-diversion of declared nuclear material at the nuclear
facilities and LOFs declared by Iran under its Safeguards Agreement, as Iran is not providing the necessary cooperation, including by not implementing its Additional Protocol, the Agency is unable to provide credible assurance about the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities in Iran, and therefore to conclude that all nuclear material in Iran is in peaceful activities."

Link



Just out of boredom, prove to me you're not planning to have sex with a child. I'm going to need access to your home, your PC, any wireless devices you own and I'm going to want the ability to come into your home randomly for follow-up questions. You clearly have no problem with this since you've nothing to hide, so I'm going to publicly tell the world I'm investigating you for potential sex with children each and every time I decide to visit. Thanks.
 
2012-08-24 01:20:32 AM  

hubiestubert: Gyrfalcon: SandMann: Mugato: consider this: Well except that it is our problem since they're threatening one of our closest allies.

The story of everything we've done in the Mideast for the last 60 years.

No, this is the story of everything we've done in the Mideast for the last 60 years:


[www.oil-price.net image 819x419] 

Until this map substantially changes, Iran will be our problem

Try 100. Since Churchill carved up the Middle East and the world sat around and let him do it.

Let's not forget, that Iran HAD one of the most progressive democracies in the Middle East, and we helped the Brits oust Mohammad Mosaddegh, and set the tone for the Islamic Revolution, and the rise of the theocracy therein. Mossaddegh's crime? He nationalized their oil fields, and the Brits and the US overthrew a civilian government.

Kohmeini and the rest? That is blowback from ousting the most democratic government in the Middle East when it dared to set its own national interest over our own. There is a reason that folks in the region are not fond of us, or the Israelis for that matter, and maybe, just maybe, we should let them sort out their issues on their own, and wait for them to ask us for help, because they've had our "help" before, and what bothers a lot of folks in the West, is that these folks remember all too well how that turned out...


But boy, you say that around here and if the pro-Israel faction doesn't get you, the ultranationalists will.
 
2012-08-24 01:21:33 AM  
This is a little explanation of how we keep getting into this crap
https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi- p ublications/csi-studies/studies/vol.-56-no.-2/pdfs/McMurdo-The%20Econo mics%20of%20Overthrow.pdf
 
2012-08-24 01:53:35 AM  
Iran keeps threatening to destroy America and Israel: Unforgivable.
American politicians keep threatening to destroy Iran: Acceptable, because...?
 
2012-08-24 02:05:56 AM  
Let Iran shoot first.

/because they won't.
 
2012-08-24 02:18:39 AM  

studebaker hoch: Let Iran shoot first.

/because they won't.


IrHan shot first!
 
2012-08-24 02:23:34 AM  

Quasar: Technically, it is a problem we caused.


We caused radical Islam? Seriously? You just removed culpability and free will from a billion Muslims world wide and made everything they do our fault? They only make decisions because of us? They dont have any other interests?

GO back to farking berkely and smoke another one.
 
2012-08-24 02:30:56 AM  

Mambo Bananapatch: thisispete: Ahmadinejad's term ends in June next year and his successor will naturally be a less polarising figure...

I'm not up on the line of succession in Iran but why is that a "naturally"?


Downplaying Irans threat is a leftist hobby. Its like a reflex, they cant control it. Any nation that threatens world stability or is trying to destroy a neighbor is only seen by them through a lens that is focused on America and destroying our military capability. So Iran is not a threat. I mean sure they sponsor terrorism world wide, they manufacture and export IED's and suicide vests, but that is just WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO TO DEFEND THEMSELVES AGAINST BIG BAD AMERICA.
 
2012-08-24 02:34:47 AM  

archichris: radical Islam? Seriously? You just removed culpability and free will from a billion Muslims world wide


A billion Muslims aren't radical. Try again!
 
2012-08-24 02:35:29 AM  

archichris: Downplaying Irans threat is a leftist hobby.


Iran has been "a couple years" from a nuclear weapon since 1992. I don't think you can downplay that lack of evidence and progress any more than they already have.
 
2012-08-24 03:00:10 AM  

archichris: Quasar: Technically, it is a problem we caused.

We caused radical Islam? Seriously? You just removed culpability and free will from a billion Muslims world wide and made everything they do our fault? They only make decisions because of us? They dont have any other interests?


Yes, because when the US ousted a democratic government and also turned a blind eye to other atrocities in the region, we sent the signal that any two-bit thug and dictator could literally get a way with murder as long as he didn't bite the hand that fed oil to the West. We created the radicals and allowed their existence to continue. They just happen to be Muslims, coincidentally.
 
2012-08-24 03:03:01 AM  

consider this: Well except that it is our problem since they're threatening one of our closest allies.


The US has probably 100 or more allies, Israel and Saudi Arabia aren't among them.
 
2012-08-24 03:18:28 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: We shouldn't do it, but if we decide to attack, I hope we at least get some good recipes from the invasion.


And women.....they'd be happy to be here, unlike some of the "whoa is me" "glass ceiling" blah blah blah women here in the US.
 
2012-08-24 03:45:45 AM  
Not our problem? Why no, we are not 100% responsible for letting Islamic fundamentalists oust a government friendly to the United States?

Thank you Jimmy Carter, without your wisdom and guidance Iran wouldn't be the terrorist sponsoring hell hole that it's been for the last 20+.
 
2012-08-24 03:56:56 AM  

SandMann: danielscissorhands: Reason #21

/made similar pun yesterday

Ok, I finally got that joke. 

[www.danwade.com image 480x360]


heh
 
2012-08-24 04:07:45 AM  

randomjsa: Not our problem? Why no, we are not 100% responsible for letting Islamic fundamentalists oust a government friendly to the United States?

Thank you Jimmy Carter, without your wisdom and guidance Iran wouldn't be the terrorist sponsoring hell hole that it's been for the last 20+.


Why just let us think you're ignorant, when you can come here and prove it over and over again, you cock-sucking troll?
 
2012-08-24 04:12:44 AM  
Radical Muslim groups are just Tea Partiers with the balls to back up their rhetoric with action.
 
2012-08-24 05:55:48 AM  

swangoatman: hubiestubert: He nationalized their oil fields, and the Brits and the US overthrew a civilian government.

You mean he STOLE our money and infrastructure like a common thief.It's the same thing all DICTATORS do.


I'm going to make a deal with the corrupt mayor of your town, and put an oil rig in your back yard...and pay you maybe 1% of the oil revenue.

Don't steal my stuff, now.
 
2012-08-24 07:15:22 AM  
if we didn't go over there, Iran could build a nuclear weapon and threaten us for ransom in the area of $11.2 TRILLION
 
2012-08-24 07:52:34 AM  

BroncoFan_17: Akmafukinslob has already said he wanted to wipe Isreal off the face of the earth. If you think he isn't trying to develope a nuke to do just that, you're an idiot. He would go down in history as the most holy muslin since Mohammed. Trust me. His pathologically narcissistic ass WANTS that.


You don't know much about Iran aside from what they tell you on Fox News do you?
 
2012-08-24 07:59:24 AM  

archichris: Downplaying Irans threat is a leftist hobby.


Every US intelligence agency has issued a report starting that Iran does not have an active nuclear weapons program.....

So we are to believe they are "leftist" because they don't share your worldview?
 
2012-08-24 09:09:50 AM  

Gyrfalcon: But boy, you say that around here and if the pro-Israel faction doesn't get you, the ultranationalists will.


Perhaps, but it doesn't change the facts. We helped topple one of the most democratic governments in the Middle East, and then installed the Shah, and were surprised when folks were upset. We have continually been surprised when folks have become upset with Western influence in the Middle East when we meddle with their governments and their way of life. Iran was a turning point, far beyond the creation and support of Israel, and dismantling its government and installing our own pet dictator when Mosaddegh nationalized the oil fields. Yes, the trollios, will contend that Mosaddegh was a dictator--despite his election, and despite being hailed by Time and other publications as the Great Hope for the Middle East peace process, and his reforms--but that doesn't change history. They might willfully ignore it, but it doesn't change the facts. That they choose to ignore them, that says more about them, than me or the issues at hand...
 
2012-08-24 10:19:18 AM  
Dhimmitude, this is how it works
 
2012-08-24 10:28:15 AM  

limboslam: Got as far as reason number one:

"First, Iran has become the leading country in the Muslim world advocating for an end to nuclear weapons by religiously committing itself against weapons of mass destruction (WMD)"

And realized the author of this article is out of his mind.


This. Left wing troll derp on the front page is getting old.

/can tell it is an election year
 
2012-08-24 10:29:49 AM  

LeglessDog: As for the author of this [bullshiat] article--if you'll take the time to read the notation at the bottom, you'll notice:

from 2003 to 2005, he served as spokesman for Iran in its nuclear negotiations with the European Union

//garbage


Liberal wackjobs don't care. Anything that agrees with their moronic non-logic is fine for them. Facts are a nuisance.
 
2012-08-24 10:30:33 AM  

Mugato: Well if Romney wins then the whole issue will be moot, because we'll be balls deep in Iran. Probably Syria too. Whatever Israel tells us.


Yes. Mormons have a long history of bowing down to the Jews.


/derp
 
2012-08-24 10:33:35 AM  

fusillade762: Second, the IAEA in the past decade, following more than 4,000 inspection hours, frequently and constantly has declared that there is no evidence of diversion in Iranian nuclear activity toward building a weapon.

Third, the U.S. National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) has maintained that Iran does not have nuclear weapons, has not made the decision to build them and is not on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons. The international community also accepts this conclusion.

It amazes my how little attention these two points get in the media. Though after the circus that was the leadup to the Iraq war I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Why question the casus belli when you can just stomp your feet and salute the flag?


The NIE stated that Tehran is rapidly approaching the "immunity zone"-the critical point in time after which the Islamic Republic's nuclear program will no longer be vulnerable to a military strike.

Obviously they will wait for the immunity zone, then weaponize.


Also worth noting that the 2007 NIE report on Iran said that they had been working on a nuke, but stopped four years earlier. I wonder what happened in 2003 that could have convinced them to stop working on a nuke... hmm...
 
2012-08-24 10:38:22 AM  

Heraclitus: Is it sad that we have to have an excuse NOT to attack someone?


Do we have to find an excuse not to punish murderers?
 
2012-08-24 10:40:25 AM  

00batou: First the writer of this article notes the presence of an Iranian Fatwa against all WMDs, then he says:

"Sixth, a strike would likely neither completely destroy the Iranian nuclear program, nor cause a major delay to the program."

Anyone else find this logic a bit strange?


They don't have any nukes!

But blowing up their nukes means they'd just make more!
 
2012-08-24 10:46:32 AM  
Not ever. No way. No way. What is this garbage? Yeah right. Not my chair. Not my problem. That's what I say.
 
2012-08-24 10:53:55 AM  
I have just read TFA, and as an average European guy, I can only add one thing: Hossein Mousavian is a pathetic liar.
 
2012-08-24 11:14:02 AM  

Acharne: You're so out to lunch it is deadly. Iranians do not hate the United States. Their a bit bitter about the restoration of the monarchy, but that's because they had a stable democracy before.

Iran does not want to build nuclear weapons. To think so is to jump into this ongoing narrative that is so tired.

Remeber. Iranians hate their government. They don't hate Israel. Don't confuse the two. The Iranian government is horrible. The average Iranian is not.

You're post is dangerous lunacy.


0/10
 
2012-08-24 11:29:36 AM  

logistic: Tellingthem:

"While the Agency continues to verify the non-diversion of declared nuclear material at the nuclear
facilities and LOFs declared by Iran under its Safeguards Agreement, as Iran is not providing the necessary cooperation, including by not implementing its Additional Protocol, the Agency is unable to provide credible assurance about the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities in Iran, and therefore to conclude that all nuclear material in Iran is in peaceful activities."

Link


Just out of boredom, prove to me you're not planning to have sex with a child. I'm going to need access to your home, your PC, any wireless devices you own and I'm going to want the ability to come into your home randomly for follow-up questions. You clearly have no problem with this since you've nothing to hide, so I'm going to publicly tell the world I'm investigating you for potential sex with children each and every time I decide to visit. Thanks.


Do you really think treaty obligations and individual rights are similar in this case?
 
2012-08-24 11:33:48 AM  

Yoyo: archichris: Quasar: Technically, it is a problem we caused.

We caused radical Islam? Seriously? You just removed culpability and free will from a billion Muslims world wide and made everything they do our fault? They only make decisions because of us? They dont have any other interests?

Yes, because when the US ousted a democratic government and also turned a blind eye to other atrocities in the region, we sent the signal that any two-bit thug and dictator could literally get a way with murder as long as he didn't bite the hand that fed oil to the West. We created the radicals and allowed their existence to continue. They just happen to be Muslims, coincidentally.


So their solution to our despotic mistake was to install another despot?
 
2012-08-24 11:48:53 AM  

Bullseyed: Heraclitus: Is it sad that we have to have an excuse NOT to attack someone?

Do we have to find an excuse not to punish murderers?


In Liberalville it is always someone else who is to blame . Look at the batman/ joker killer drama and see what i mean.
 
2012-08-24 12:59:17 PM  

Bullseyed: Mugato: Well if Romney wins then the whole issue will be moot, because we'll be balls deep in Iran. Probably Syria too. Whatever Israel tells us.

Yes. Mormons have a long history of bowing down to the Jews.


/derp



The Momo's believe that they ARE Jews, and that they have a "special relationship" to Judyism and to Ozrael.

Of course, Jews don't share in this fantasy (snicker), but as always, the Israelis are more than happy to take advantage of useful idiots, even those that they quietly hold in disdain (see bible-thumpin'-Second-Coming-Believing-Bible-Belt-Protestants, for example).

Romney has already demonstrated his fealty to Bibi and the Zio's, and told us all that when he gets his turn, he's going to let Israel dictate US foreign policy in the ME.

Is Romney a Ziobot?

static3.businessinsider.com

/You can bet on it
//Shelly has been
///and he didn't become a billionaire casino magnate by making bad bets.
 
2012-08-24 01:46:49 PM  

BgJonson79: So their solution to our despotic mistake was to install another despot?


They being middle east Muslims, not just Persians: Saddam Husein, Mullah Omar. Need I go on? How much longer could these guys have stayed in power if they hadn't pissed off the US?
 
2012-08-24 02:36:34 PM  

Bullseyed: Acharne: You're so out to lunch it is deadly. Iranians do not hate the United States. Their a bit bitter about the restoration of the monarchy, but that's because they had a stable democracy before.

Iran does not want to build nuclear weapons. To think so is to jump into this ongoing narrative that is so tired.

Remeber. Iranians hate their government. They don't hate Israel. Don't confuse the two. The Iranian government is horrible. The average Iranian is not.

You're post is dangerous lunacy.

0/10


Goddamnit so much. Thanks for pointing that out. My poor typing certainly isn't evidence of an Iranian bomb though ;)
 
2012-08-24 03:19:17 PM  

Bullseyed: Mugato: Well if Romney wins then the whole issue will be moot, because we'll be balls deep in Iran. Probably Syria too. Whatever Israel tells us.

Yes. Mormons have a long history of bowing down to the Jews.


/derp


Um. Romney literally said that he would let Israel dictate our foreign policy. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were being sarcastic and not a complete idiot.
 
2012-08-24 03:44:57 PM  

Mugato: Um. Romney literally said that he would let Israel dictate our foreign policy.


Link, control-f "recommended and supported".
 
2012-08-24 03:55:10 PM  

Parmenius: Mugato: Um. Romney literally said that he would let Israel dictate our foreign policy.

Link, control-f "recommended and supported".


Well I'm sure that Wikipedia is a bastion of journalistic integrity but Romney's own words kind of carry more weight.
 
2012-08-24 04:14:36 PM  

Mugato: Parmenius: Mugato: Um. Romney literally said that he would let Israel dictate our foreign policy.

Link, control-f "recommended and supported".

Well I'm sure that Wikipedia is a bastion of journalistic integrity but Romney's own words kind of carry more weight.


Fine. My bad for not linking the original source.
Original story from interview by Israel Hayom. Control-F "actions recommended".
 
2012-08-24 04:47:47 PM  

Parmenius: Mugato: Parmenius: Mugato: Um. Romney literally said that he would let Israel dictate our foreign policy.

Link, control-f "recommended and supported".

Well I'm sure that Wikipedia is a bastion of journalistic integrity but Romney's own words kind of carry more weight.

Fine. My bad for not linking the original source.
Original story from interview by Israel Hayom. Control-F "actions recommended".



From your link:

Q: The transfer of the American embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem would be a great symbolic aid to Israel. Is that something that you would consider?

ROMNEY: The actions that I will take will be actions recommended and supported by Israeli leaders. I don't seek to take actions independent of what our allies think is best, and if Israel's leaders thought that a move of that nature would be helpful to their efforts, then that's something I'll be inclined to do. But again, that's a decision which I would look to the Israeli leadership to help guide. I don't think America should play the role of the leader of the peace process, instead we should stand by our ally. Again, my inclination is to follow the guidance of our ally Israel, as to where our facilities and embassies would exist.


So as Mugato said, "Romney literally said that he would let Israel dictate our foreign policy." 

Elect him and we'll be dropping nukes on all of Ozrael's enemies (about 4/5 of the world population) by February.
 
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