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(The Daily Beast)   Author of 'Hit the Road' Newsweek cover story on Obama's record, skewers his critics and liberal bloggers   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 82
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2012-08-23 03:44:13 PM  
By lying. He still does not address the fact that he selectively edited the CBO report to fit his opinion.
 
2012-08-23 03:47:52 PM  
So he's a liar, and a whining biatch.

He should be Romney's VP pick.
 
2012-08-23 03:54:34 PM  

Blues_X: He should be Romney's VP pick.


Why, Ryan already has those traits in abundance.
 
2012-08-23 03:56:10 PM  
And the opinion of someone whose opinion was soundly lambasted previously matters... how?
 
2012-08-23 03:56:19 PM  
President Obama should be judged on his record in office.

And to argue this point he shows one chart of previous estimates of unemployment and debt versus actual unemployment and debt? Obama's whole record is based on not being able to predict the future to within a fraction of a percent, apparently.
 
2012-08-23 04:01:49 PM  
What an asshole.
 
2012-08-23 04:10:18 PM  

sweetmelissa31: President Obama should be judged on his record in office.

And to argue this point he shows one chart of previous estimates of unemployment and debt versus actual unemployment and debt? Obama's whole record is based on not being able to predict the future to within a fraction of a percent, apparently.


With half the amount of his stimulus that he asked for.
 
2012-08-23 04:43:09 PM  
I dunno... seemed to defend himself just fine.
 
2012-08-23 04:43:17 PM  
what I have encountered since the publication of my Newsweek article criticizing President Obama looks suspiciously like an orchestrated attempt to discredit me.

When you say 2+2=7, and more than one person simultaneously responds with "2+2=4", you may think it's an " orchestrated attempt to discredit you," but it's not.
 
2012-08-23 04:51:55 PM  
Skewers them with what, a fluffy pillow? What's next, the comfy chair?
 
2012-08-23 05:01:32 PM  
his argument is that he didn't lie; he intentionally deceived his readers. so he's not a liar; he's a deceitful asshole.

sounds about right.
 
2012-08-23 05:12:00 PM  
the choir: Lying liar, whining biatch, asshole, previously lambasted, mathematically wrong, deceitful asshole....

Ferguson's stated argument is simply that Obama failed to live up to the high expectations of those who voted for him, and to the pledges he made in his inaugural address.

So, do you guys think President Obama actually exceeded the expectations of those who voted for him, and lived up to the pledges he made in his inaugural address?
 
2012-08-23 05:12:11 PM  
President Obama should be judged on his record in office.

Passed Affordable Care Act

Killed bin Laden

Stopped economy from getting worse, it is slowly getting better.

I'm okay with this.
 
2012-08-23 05:16:45 PM  

impaler: When you say 2+2=7, and more than one person simultaneously responds with "2+2=4", you may think it's an " orchestrated attempt to discredit you," but it's not.


The truth has a well known Liberal bias.
 
2012-08-23 05:19:47 PM  

Il Douchey: the choir: Lying liar, whining biatch, asshole, previously lambasted, mathematically wrong, deceitful asshole....

Ferguson's stated argument is simply that Obama failed to live up to the high expectations of those who voted for him, and to the pledges he made in his inaugural address.


I'll give you 6 out of 10 for effort.
 
2012-08-23 05:24:48 PM  

Ferguson: "I don't think you can claim this undermines my academic reputation." ...Dude, you EDITED THE CBO REPORT to CHANGE ITS MEANING.

- Dylan Byers (@DylanByers) August 21, 2012
 
2012-08-23 05:26:43 PM  
"Okay, I selectively quoted the CBO as my first argument and got called on, well fark you people. Now my rebuttal is to criticize the president for not doing the kind of stimulus I would have and not being able to predict the future while he was campaigning."

That's basically the gist or am I reading this wrong?
 
2012-08-23 05:30:16 PM  

Irving Maimway: "Okay, I selectively quoted the CBO as my first argument and got called on, well fark you people. Now my rebuttal is to criticize the president for not doing the kind of stimulus I would have and not being able to predict the future while he was campaigning."

That's basically the gist or am I reading this wrong?


Some of it was.... economic predictions have a number of variables and a little guess work. I guess different than others. So STFU.
 
2012-08-23 05:31:54 PM  

Il Douchey: So, do you guys think President Obama actually exceeded the expectations of those who voted for him, and lived up to the pledges he made in his inaugural address?


considering all that he's accomplished in the face of unified GOP opposition from day one? i'd say he's a motherfarking miracle worker.
 
2012-08-23 05:37:32 PM  

FlashHarry: considering all that he's accomplished in the face of unified GOP opposition from day one? i'd say he's a motherfarking miracle worker.


I look forward to his "Obama had complete control of government for 2 years" response, which is a republican meme at this point. It is of course wrong. Because of the late seating of Al Franken (he did not join the Senate until the summer of 2009) and then the illnesses of Kennedy and Byrd, the Democrats only had 60 votes in the Senate for four months Sept. 2009 to Feb 2010 when Brown won Kennedy's seat. And even then, one of the votes was Lieberman, who singlehandedly killed the public option at the behest of the insurance companies, who other than Israel is his real constituents.
 
2012-08-23 05:38:44 PM  
So according to this asshole, we're supposed to vote for Romney, despite the fact that we have no actual idea of what Romney wants to do?

Stellar logic.
 
2012-08-23 05:52:49 PM  
Niall Ferguson has used geometric logic to show that Krgthulu has stolen the strawberries.
 
2012-08-23 05:56:09 PM  
"...he offers a point-by-point defense of his argument."

Um not so much, no.
 
2012-08-23 06:18:49 PM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: So according to this asshole, we're supposed to vote for Romney, despite the fact that we have no actual idea of what Romney wants to do?

Stellar logic.


This applies to just about every election cycle
 
2012-08-23 06:19:27 PM  

Il Douchey: Ferguson's stated argument is simply that Obama failed to live up to the high expectations of those who voted for him, and to the pledges he made in his inaugural address.


And as evidence of that, he completely lied about everything.

So even by that metric he (Ferguson) failed.
 
2012-08-23 06:20:02 PM  

netizencain: Some Bass Playing Guy: So according to this asshole, we're supposed to vote for Romney, despite the fact that we have no actual idea of what Romney wants to do?

Stellar logic.

This applies to just about every election cycle


No, it doesn't. Even McCain had detailed plans.
 
2012-08-23 06:47:45 PM  
Newsweek loves trolling all three of their readers.
 
2012-08-23 06:48:37 PM  
I don't see how you can begin to blame Obama for anything related to the economy when you have a Republican House that wanted to default on our debt, and the GOP solution to unemployment and the deficit is to cut taxes for the super rich -- who are pay less in taxes than any point since the 1950s -- and increase our already ridiculously bloated defense budget -- greater than the next 17 nations combined -- regardless if the increases are needed.
 
2012-08-23 06:58:22 PM  

Il Douchey:
So, do you guys think President Obama actually exceeded the expectations of those who voted for him, and lived up to the pledges he made in his inaugural address?


Knowing how assholey a republican house of representatives would be, I would say yes. He has exceeded my expectations, because my expectations happen to be grounded in reality. That reality contains people who don't like him because he's a democrat, because he doesn't have an "american" sounding name, because he's exceedingly smart, because he's not a reactionary idiot, but mostly because he upsets their paradigm of what an american president is supposed to look like/sound like/act like (he's black you know).

Any person who can navigate the cesspool he has been presented with in DC with the grace, style and nerve this guy has over the past 3.5 years without literally striding to the podium during a state of the union address, looking Boehner straight in his eye and saying "f*ck you", repeating that phrase to every republican in the chamber, then walking out of the room gets my vote every time.

Those whiny asses, especially left wing whiny asses, who thought that the election of this president would herald a new era in which all the children would learn to read, science and technology would be embraced by the masses, schools would be funded well enough to fulfill their mandates, and people would be left alone to live their own lives free of religious interference must have been smoking some serious cheeb when that idea rolled into their heads. 

I give him points for trying. That's the best one can do... unless the whiners want a dictator to sit in The Big Chair. If that happens, they must remember that the next guy will have those same dictatorial powers... and he will probably be from the other party.
 
2012-08-23 07:01:04 PM  
Lol. God you liberals are dumb. Every attack in this thread is N ad hom against his rebuttal. It is not his fault liberals can't comprehend the difference between cost and effect on the deficit. They are two very different things. Do you need someone to explain profit vs revenue as well? Hint, cost is a component on the calculation of deficit or surplus.
 
2012-08-23 07:01:13 PM  

Il Douchey: the choir: Lying liar, whining biatch, asshole, previously lambasted, mathematically wrong, deceitful asshole....

Ferguson's stated argument is simply that Obama failed to live up to the high expectations of those who voted for him, and to the pledges he made in his inaugural address.

So, do you guys think President Obama actually exceeded the expectations of those who voted for him, and lived up to the pledges he made in his inaugural address?


Considering the retardedly high expectations of many of his voters, the fact that few people live up to their inaugural address promises, and the alternative to Obama in November, I don't think his central thesis is enough to say "The President has got to go." But sure yeah, he is right on those two points, but that doesn't mean I think we should cut social programs to give tax cuts to Mitt Romney.
 
2012-08-23 07:01:27 PM  
I forget where I saw this but the claim is Niall Ferguson has gotten to the point where he really doesn't care about his journalistic or academic reputation. His Newsweek piece was just a big advertisement that he is willing to sound intelligent and trash Obama or the left for money.

His old speaking fee was $75,000+ but it has probably gone up since then to 100K. If he gives 2 talks/week for 50 weeks a year then he earns $10 million/year. There might not be 100 rich right wingers or right wing organizations willing to pay up but still we are talking serious money.

Here is his entry at Eagles Talent speakers bureau, a place where you can hire all sorts of talent such as Dr. Sanjay Gupta and Mayor Edward Koch.
 
2012-08-23 07:01:33 PM  

Blues_X: So he's a liar, and a whining biatch.


those two tend to go together.
 
2012-08-23 07:07:33 PM  
His cushy job at Harvard might be in danger, so he had to try to do something. He didn't succeed at doing something, bu, still, he tried.
 
2012-08-23 07:10:20 PM  

HairBolus: I forget where I saw this


found it: Esquire: The Real Problem with Niall Ferguson's Letter to the 1%
why did Ferguson write it? The answer is simple but has profound implications for American intellectual life generally: public speaking.

Ferguson's critics have simply misunderstood for whom Ferguson was writing that piece. They imagine that he is working as a professor or as a journalist, and that his standards slipped below those of academia or the media. Neither is right. Look at his speaking agent's Web site. The fee: 50 to 75 grand per appearance. That number means that the entire economics of Ferguson's writing career, and many other writing careers, has been permanently altered. Nonfiction writers can and do make vastly more, and more easily, than they could ever make any other way, including by writing bestselling books or being a Harvard professor. Articles and ideas are only as good as the fees you can get for talking about them. They are merely billboards for the messengers.

That number means that Ferguson doesn't have to please his publishers; he doesn't have to please his editors; he sure as hell doesn't have to please scholars. He has to please corporations and high-net-worth individuals, the people who can pay 50 to 75K to hear him talk. That incredibly sloppy article was a way of communicating to them: I am one of you. I can give a great rousing talk about Obama's failures at any event you want to have me at.
 
2012-08-23 07:10:40 PM  

Il Douchey: the choir: Lying liar, whining biatch, asshole, previously lambasted, mathematically wrong, deceitful asshole....

Ferguson's stated argument is simply that Obama failed to live up to the high expectations of those who voted for him, and to the pledges he made in his inaugural address.

So, do you guys think President Obama actually exceeded the expectations of those who voted for him, and lived up to the pledges he made in his inaugural address?


That's his new argument. It didn't seem to be his old argument.

No, he hasn't lived up to expectations. I'm still going to vote for him, because Romney might live up to my expectations of him.
 
2012-08-23 07:11:12 PM  
This guy deserves to feel some professional discomfort for his willful distortion of facts. Of course if he was fired, Fox would just hire him as a special correspondent, like Juan Williams.
 
2012-08-23 07:14:18 PM  
We should judge Mitt Romney by his record in office, and vote the candidate who supports gay rights, gun control, abortion rights, and progressive health care reform. Oh wait . . .
 
2012-08-23 07:24:48 PM  
So basically, a Fark political tab argument is being carried out in Newsweek?
 
2012-08-23 07:24:57 PM  
What this "writer" fails to realize is that I, and anyone who understands economics realized when we voted for Obama is the economy was going to take longer than 4 years to recover. There's no way for the economy to take the biggest hit since the depression and bounce right back. In fact, I was hoping that McCain would have won the previous election so he'd be stuck with the lousy economy and the Republicans would own it lock, stock, and barrel.

That's not making excuses for Obama, that's just how the economy works.
 
2012-08-23 07:35:17 PM  
So, Dan Rather gets taken in by a fake document in a pile of credible documents and is forced off the air, but this pile of human shiat flat out lies to make the front cover hit-piece his owners ordered of him - and, let me guess, he's some kind of an hero.

Liberal Media indeed.
 
2012-08-23 07:46:13 PM  

czei: I was hoping that McCain would have won the previous election so he'd be stuck with the lousy economy and the Republicans would own it lock, stock, and barrel.


The GOP would own our asses - lock, stock and barrel by now.

It's not like there is a Media there to inform us any more, just corporate whores playing at theater and sucking Kochs for the likes of Adelson, Murdoch and Kochs.

Dear America,
When and if you awaken, please torch those in Media first.
Thanks
 
2012-08-23 08:03:33 PM  
FTA: Repeat disclosure: I made it clear in the piece that I was a John McCain supporter four years ago and am a friend of Ryan's.

Golly gee, I never would've guessed.
 
2012-08-23 08:06:17 PM  
You know... I had a thought the other day, and it's made me sick ever since I had it.

America no longer has a liberal party.

The Republicans have pushed so far to the right that they are no longer conservatives. Conservatives understand that the world changes - they just want to make sure it changes slowly and some of the original values are retained. Republicans want to reverse change. They are not conservative - they are regressive. The Democrats, in an effort to compromise with Republicans to keep the country moving, have now slid into conservative territory (maybe centrists on a small handful of minor issues). There is no serious (funded, vocal, noticeable) liberal party advocating major change in any national or global policy.

So when I hear about human trash like Ferguson saying "liberal bloggers" are the one thing he hates about America - I have to wonder what in the world he's talking about. The last Democrat liberals were silenced when Howard Dean's scream hit the airwaves. Obama, Hillary, and others probably have it in them, but being forced to compromise with regressive Republicans has pushed them right-of-center.
 
2012-08-23 08:06:41 PM  
Skewer implies being on the offense; that whole thing was defensive. Misleading and inaccurate, but defensive.
 
2012-08-23 08:08:57 PM  
Notice, then, that my central critique of the president is not that the economy has underperformed, but that he has not been an effective leader of the executive branch.

Ahh... a pedant.
 
2012-08-23 08:11:18 PM  

Il Douchey: So, do you guys think President Obama actually exceeded the expectations of those who voted for him, and lived up to the pledges he made in his inaugural address?


He exceeded my expectations in his role as Commander in Chief.
And in the area of civil rights for women and gays.
I am pleased that we got some sort of health care reform. It's a start.
The economy still sucks but most economists were sure it was GAME OVER.

I feel pretty confident that our federal government is being led by a sane, concerned grown up.
 
2012-08-23 08:17:51 PM  

MyRandomName: Lol. God you liberals are dumb. Every attack in this thread is N ad hom against his rebuttal. It is not his fault liberals can't comprehend the difference between cost and effect on the deficit. They are two very different things. Do you need someone to explain profit vs revenue as well? Hint, cost is a component on the calculation of deficit or surplus.


Maybe that's because the "substance" has been so effectively, irrefutably and viscerally dissected so many times in the past week that there's nothing left of him?
 
2012-08-23 08:46:20 PM  

MyRandomName: Lol. God you liberals are dumb. Every attack in this thread is N ad hom against his rebuttal. It is not his fault liberals can't comprehend the difference between cost and effect on the deficit. They are two very different things. Do you need someone to explain profit vs revenue as well? Hint, cost is a component on the calculation of deficit or surplus.


Do you not understand why cutting off a second party's statement mid-sentence in a deliberate and transparent attempt to alter the meaning of that statement is dishonest and intellectually bankrupt?
 
2012-08-23 08:56:19 PM  
"I'm so above it all, hur hur. I don't usually respond to this sort of thing, such rabble! Anyway they're all part of a conspiracy, just against me! Probably run by aliens in Roswell. I'm soooo important, after all."

And its worth pointing out that gist of his original article was to vote for Romney, a guy who has promised to do what the last guy did. Remember that guy? The one that got us into this mess? Yeah. Romney wants to do all of that, but even harder. At this point the only way I'd ever vote for Romney is if he had a massive stroke and woke up a completely different person.
 
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