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(411Mania)   Bones Jones bones Dana White. UFC 151 canceled   (411mania.com) divider line 238
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2012-08-23 04:48:02 PM
What a boner.
 
2012-08-23 04:49:00 PM
Very disappointed in Jones. I guess it's his right to turn down a fight, but good luck getting me to order any of his fights anytime soon.

Chael probably didn't deserve the shot, but Jones should have done the UFC a solid on this one.
 
2012-08-23 04:49:26 PM
saves me around $50
 
2012-08-23 04:50:17 PM
I haven't gotten shiat done all day because I'm mad on twitter. Silly me, but I can't help it.

Jones, you done FU*KED UP BAD, son. REAL BAD. And so did Zuffa. Let this be a lesson to them both.
 
2012-08-23 04:51:46 PM
And why is Jones a coward for not taking a title fight on eight days notice? I don't really care if he called Sonnen whatever he called him.
 
2012-08-23 04:51:57 PM
Holy moly this is big news. I don't blame Jones (even though it would have been great if he took the fight), but the UFC needs to market more than five stars and really work on creating roster depth.
 
2012-08-23 04:52:52 PM

Mike_LowELL: And why is Jones a coward for not taking a title fight on eight days notice? I don't really care if he called Sonnen whatever he called him.


He's not. It is Just Bleed keyboard warriors venting their frustrations.
 
2012-08-23 04:53:35 PM
God forbid cage fighters be allowed to have some form of free will or self determination. They should be forced to risk their lives in combat upon command of their employers
 
2012-08-23 04:53:38 PM
Everyone's reaction to this has been hilarious. Basically no one involved with UFC can come out and say that Jones was going to win, for obvious reasons, but the underlying thought process in their comments is "Why did Jones do this when we all know he was going to win anyway?"
 
2012-08-23 04:54:57 PM
Jon Jones didn't make a popular decision when he turned the fight down but I'm wondering why Dana White isn't releasing the names of fighters that refused to step up to fight him because I fail to see how Chael Sonnen was the first option as he hasn't fought at 205 in UFC (that I know of - I could be wrong) and in no way does he deserve a title shot.
 
2012-08-23 04:55:01 PM

Moopy Mac: Holy moly this is big news. I don't blame Jones (even though it would have been great if he took the fight), but the UFC needs to market more than five stars and really work on creating roster depth.


Card depth was their problem here. Co-main could've been bumped up if it were worth a shiat. They lost Koschek/Ellenberger due to injury, which is no fault of Zuffa's, but they had time to replace it with someone better than Heiron.
 
2012-08-23 04:55:28 PM
Can't say I blame Jones. He pretty took every fight offered to him for the last couple of years. He was pretty forthcoming in the fact that he was going to slow down a bit and I'm not sure I'd want to fight someone defend my belt against someone like Hendo with only a week to prep.
 
2012-08-23 04:55:38 PM
This is what happens when you make totally crappy top heavy PPV's with only one big fight worth paying for.

I think bones probably should have taken the replacement, but to put it all on his shoulders isn't right at all. Zuffa is just as much to blame for putting together weak cards like this with no contingency plan.

The up side of all of this is 152 in Toronto actually looks a lot better now.
 
2012-08-23 04:56:48 PM

Snapper Carr: defend my belt against someone like Sonnen


ftfm. Read article quickly. Brain mixed up facts.
 
2012-08-23 04:57:37 PM

ddam: Jon Jones didn't make a popular decision when he turned the fight down but I'm wondering why Dana White isn't releasing the names of fighters that refused to step up to fight him because I fail to see how Chael Sonnen was the first option as he hasn't fought at 205 in UFC (that I know of - I could be wrong) and in no way does he deserve a title shot.


Machida turned it down, Sonnen was the only other option. Machida was apparently on a plane somewhere in the Brazilian jungle, would've taken him several days to get to Vegas anyways.
 
2012-08-23 05:01:31 PM

Lost Thought 00: God forbid cage fighters be allowed to have some form of free will or self determination. They should be forced to risk their lives in combat upon command of their employers


He's in peak shape at the prime of his career and has been through an entire camp, not to mention he's the best and most gifted fighter ever when in the cage. They asked him to take a fight with a guy who's been taking it easy for several weeks and usually fights 20 pounds below him. He'd be doing pretty much exactly what he had already signed up for, it's not as though they asked him to fight 3 heavyweights at once here.
 
2012-08-23 05:02:39 PM

the biggest redneck here: ddam: Jon Jones didn't make a popular decision when he turned the fight down but I'm wondering why Dana White isn't releasing the names of fighters that refused to step up to fight him because I fail to see how Chael Sonnen was the first option as he hasn't fought at 205 in UFC (that I know of - I could be wrong) and in no way does he deserve a title shot.

Machida turned it down, Sonnen was the only other option. Machida was apparently on a plane somewhere in the Brazilian jungle, would've taken him several days to get to Vegas anyways.


I don't see how Sonnen was the only option. What about Rashad Evans? What about Quinton Jackson or Forrest Griffin? And that's just in the top 10 from this list that haven't fought in past 2-3 months.
 
2012-08-23 05:03:08 PM

consider this: Mike_LowELL: And why is Jones a coward for not taking a title fight on eight days notice?

Jones has had months to prepare for this fight, Sonnen has been sitting around eating Twinkies.


Sounds like Jones did the UFC a favor then.
 
2012-08-23 05:04:53 PM
I think Jones should've taken the fight with Sonnen, and he lost a lot of fans today, but I think a card should be able to stand on its own if something like this happens to the main event. Unfortunately this card sucked so bad it couldn't.
 
2012-08-23 05:05:01 PM
Whatever his reasons, it makes him look like a giant pussy. Jones has already been training and mentally preparing for a fight. Honestly, he would probably own Chael, but he is afraid if Chael sneaks in and wins, he will be known as the jackass that gave Chael the title.
 
2012-08-23 05:06:11 PM

ddam: the biggest redneck here: ddam: Jon Jones didn't make a popular decision when he turned the fight down but I'm wondering why Dana White isn't releasing the names of fighters that refused to step up to fight him because I fail to see how Chael Sonnen was the first option as he hasn't fought at 205 in UFC (that I know of - I could be wrong) and in no way does he deserve a title shot.

Machida turned it down, Sonnen was the only other option. Machida was apparently on a plane somewhere in the Brazilian jungle, would've taken him several days to get to Vegas anyways.

I don't see how Sonnen was the only option. What about Rashad Evans? What about Quinton Jackson or Forrest Griffin? And that's just in the top 10 from this list that haven't fought in past 2-3 months.


No way either Jackson or Griffin make weight, they walk around at 240+. Evans... not sure, but he probably doesn't want to risk a possible shot at Silva.
 
2012-08-23 05:07:23 PM

marleymaniac: Whatever his reasons, it makes him look like a giant pussy. Jones has already been training and mentally preparing for a fight. Honestly, he would probably own Chael, but he is afraid if Chael sneaks in and wins, he will be known as the jackass that gave Chael the title.


Jones was preparing for a fight against Hendo that has a different strategy than Sonnen. I'm not saying that he should have rejected the fight but I can see why he did it and as some have said already, the card was crap without this fight and that's why it has been scrapped.
 
2012-08-23 05:09:41 PM
Dana White is the biggest f*cking biatch in "sports."

I hesitate to call UFC a sports league, just as I hesitate to call the NBA a sports league; both are entertainment entities based on athletics. You know, like the WWE.
 
2012-08-23 05:09:45 PM

Lost Thought 00: God forbid cage fighters be allowed to have some form of free will or self determination. They should be forced to risk their lives in combat upon command of their employers


THIS.

The only one giving Sonnen proper credit is Jones. It would be a blind crapshoot for BOTH fighters. Taking an 8 day notice almost guarantees a 100% increase in the chance Sonnen would win. What does that do for Jones' record and image? I'd rather bail and take the heat, too. Better than losing to someone not on my level because of short notice.

MMA fans take more roids than the fighters, methinks.
 
2012-08-23 05:10:38 PM

marleymaniac: Whatever his reasons, it makes him look like a giant pussy. Jones has already been training and mentally preparing for a fight. Honestly, he would probably own Chael, but he is afraid if Chael sneaks in and wins, he will be known as the jackass that gave Chael the title.


He cleared out the entire division in 1.5 years and fought 4 times last year (at least once on short notice). Only a moron would think he's a pussy.
 
2012-08-23 05:11:02 PM
Knee injury?

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2012-08-23 05:11:06 PM
Wow you guys are babies. "WAH, Jones didn't fight a guy with only a weeks notice, let's hate him now!".
 
2012-08-23 05:13:55 PM

Mike_LowELL: Sounds like Jones did the UFC a favor then.


Nail. Head. Hit.

Seriously, how much would some of the pantywastes in this thread be complaining if they shelled out that coin for what amounted to be one-minute ass kicking, given that the rest of the card is sh*t? If the entire house of crappy cards falls down because the UFC dragged their feet by not preparing for a replacement fighter earlier, I think it's the UFC that's at fault.
 
2012-08-23 05:15:52 PM
Oh, and clearly all of this means there's only one solution:

Let's hand Brock Lesnar the championship without him having to, you know, actually do anything. Clearly it worked oh so well last time.
 
2012-08-23 05:16:37 PM

puffy999: Mike_LowELL: Sounds like Jones did the UFC a favor then.

Nail. Head. Hit.

Seriously, how much would some of the pantywastes in this thread be complaining if they shelled out that coin for what amounted to be one-minute ass kicking, given that the rest of the card is sh*t? If the entire house of crappy cards falls down because the UFC dragged their feet by not preparing for a replacement fighter earlier, I think it's the UFC that's at fault.


Jones and Zuffa are 1 and 1A in this, no doubt.
 
2012-08-23 05:20:46 PM
As bad as the writing was, that wasn't even the biggest problem with that piece. How in the hell can someone running a professional sports organization get away with calling one of the major draws in the sport a "pussy"? Don't get me wrong, Accurate or not, you're never going to see David Stern call LeBron a "douchebag", or Gary Bettman call Sidney Crosby a "whiner". Even the guys that run "Girls gone wild" act more maturely than he does.
 
2012-08-23 05:23:41 PM
yay green!

that said, this is a clusterf*ck of epic proportions. Joe Rogan even had his Mandalay Bay show canceled because if it.
 
2012-08-23 05:23:53 PM

notsosilentbob: As bad as the writing was, that wasn't even the biggest problem with that piece. How in the hell can someone running a professional sports organization get away with calling one of the major draws in the sport a "pussy"? Don't get me wrong, Accurate or not, you're never going to see David Stern call LeBron a "douchebag", or Gary Bettman call Sidney Crosby a "whiner". Even the guys that run "Girls gone wild" act more maturely than he does.


Huh? I listened to the entire call live, never heard anything remotely close to that.
 
2012-08-23 05:25:54 PM
Dana says normally Chael would have had to win three fights to get a title shot, but Chael was willing to step in and take the fight. Dana respects Chael for that.


Yeah, I bet Chael thought all of 5 seconds about that proposition.
 
2012-08-23 05:29:11 PM

VvonderJesus: Dana says normally Chael would have had to win three fights to get a title shot, but Chael was willing to step in and take the fight. Dana respects Chael for that.


Yeah, I bet Chael thought all of 5 seconds about that proposition.


no training, no prep, little to no chance of winning, but he was willing to step up and take the fight anyway.
 
2012-08-23 05:29:34 PM

puffy999: Oh, and clearly all of this means there's only one solution:

Let's hand Brock Lesnar the championship without him having to, you know, actually do anything. Clearly it worked oh so well last time.


I don't get why so many of the same people that biatched when Lesnar was handed a title fight are biatching now because Jones refused to defend the title against an out of shape middle weight who lost his last fight and has never fought in that weight division.

Or why Jones is a coward for choosing not to fight an guy who didn't train and instead delaying his defense three weeks to defend his belt against a guy who actually won his last fight and is considered one of the better light heavyweights in the world. If someone tells me they're turning down a fight against a housecat because they want to fight a tiger in a few weeks, I usually wouldn't call that person a pussy.

Dana going apeshiat because he spread his money fights too thinly among too many events. I'm amazed he was able to say Tito Ortiz's name and then say something about never having champions refuse to fight. I wonder if Liddell thought that was funny.

Sonnen is the smartest one in this whole mess. Again he turns his ability to speak into giving him the spotlight. If he lost people would've said 'well he didn't have time to train'.
 
2012-08-23 05:29:57 PM

ddam: marleymaniac: Whatever his reasons, it makes him look like a giant pussy. Jones has already been training and mentally preparing for a fight. Honestly, he would probably own Chael, but he is afraid if Chael sneaks in and wins, he will be known as the jackass that gave Chael the title.

Jones was preparing for a fight against Hendo that has a different strategy than Sonnen. I'm not saying that he should have rejected the fight but I can see why he did it and as some have said already, the card was crap without this fight and that's why it has been scrapped.


Jones was preparing for a BETTER fighter than Sonnen. Dan has outstanding wrestling and a legendary right hand (his left is no slouch, either - ask Wanderlai Silva). Hendo was a much worse fight for Jones than Sonnen.

And in the unlikely event that Chael would have won, you KNOW Jones would get an immediate rematch with a full camp.

Anderson Silva "solved" Chael Sonnen in their two fights, and Silva doesn't have the awesome wrestling skills that Jones has (not to mention the size). This should have been a fairly easy fight for Bones.
 
2012-08-23 05:31:32 PM

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: VvonderJesus: Dana says normally Chael would have had to win three fights to get a title shot, but Chael was willing to step in and take the fight. Dana respects Chael for that.


Yeah, I bet Chael thought all of 5 seconds about that proposition.

no training, no prep, little to no chance of winning, but he was willing to step up and take the fight anyway.


Yeah, an instant title fight, sponsorship money, and looking good even if he loses since he could just say he didn't have time to train. I bet that was a tough decision for him.
 
2012-08-23 05:32:56 PM
There are some good LOLs on Jones' facebook page. My favorite so far was "This hasn't been a good year for you, PR wise."
 
2012-08-23 05:33:26 PM

TiiiMMMaHHH: Lost Thought 00: God forbid cage fighters be allowed to have some form of free will or self determination. They should be forced to risk their lives in combat upon command of their employers

THIS.

The only one giving Sonnen proper credit is Jones. It would be a blind crapshoot for BOTH fighters. Taking an 8 day notice almost guarantees a 100% increase in the chance Sonnen would win. What does that do for Jones' record and image? I'd rather bail and take the heat, too. Better than losing to someone not on my level because of short notice.

MMA fans take more roids than the fighters, methinks.


I am far from a Dana White fan but Jones screwed not only the UFC but undercard fighters out of money also.

If you are afraid to lose then maybe competition isnt the best place for you, especially if the guy is the Champ but doesnt want to take the fight because he might lose against a guy who has a mediocre record, willing to take the fight in 8days and wasn't even training for a fight at all...

me thinks roids have nothing to do with people thinking Jones decision was crappy...
 
2012-08-23 05:36:26 PM
Oh, and people complaining about the cards getting spread thin kind of pisses me off. First, some of the best fights I've ever seen were by guys I didn't know well at the time. Second, I don't know if the UFC is actually doing more PPVs per year - I think it's about the same. The rest of the events are free, which means I have a lot more nights of watching fights to look forward to.
 
2012-08-23 05:37:13 PM

Lumbar Puncture: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: VvonderJesus: Dana says normally Chael would have had to win three fights to get a title shot, but Chael was willing to step in and take the fight. Dana respects Chael for that.


Yeah, I bet Chael thought all of 5 seconds about that proposition.

no training, no prep, little to no chance of winning, but he was willing to step up and take the fight anyway.

Yeah, an instant title fight, sponsorship money, and looking good even if he loses since he could just say he didn't have time to train. I bet that was a tough decision for him.


2 mil to get beat up probably made a lot of sense, especially since he's far more likely to get choked out than punched out.
 
2012-08-23 05:38:05 PM

ddam: the biggest redneck here: ddam: Jon Jones didn't make a popular decision when he turned the fight down but I'm wondering why Dana White isn't releasing the names of fighters that refused to step up to fight him because I fail to see how Chael Sonnen was the first option as he hasn't fought at 205 in UFC (that I know of - I could be wrong) and in no way does he deserve a title shot.

Machida turned it down, Sonnen was the only other option. Machida was apparently on a plane somewhere in the Brazilian jungle, would've taken him several days to get to Vegas anyways.

I don't see how Sonnen was the only option. What about Rashad Evans? What about Quinton Jackson or Forrest Griffin? And that's just in the top 10 from this list that haven't fought in past 2-3 months.


Because cutting weight to make a fight is a multiweek or month deal. You're not getting a lhw on late notice unless he's already fighting very soon
 
2012-08-23 05:38:45 PM

puffy999: Let's hand Brock Lesnar the championship without him having to, you know, actually do anything. Clearly it worked oh so well last time


Lesnar won the belt and defended it. It's not his fault there weren't very many good heavyweights in the UFC at the time.

I feel bad for all the guys down card who have been training for a while and are losing the payday. Would have been nice if they could have worked out a way to stick the rest of it on Fuel or something. It's the guy's prerogative to turn the fight down, but most other UFC fighters would have stepped up, so the vitriol shouldn't be that surprising (and tweets from other UFC fighters are almost universally against Jones). It's not like they were even giving him a guy that should be that dangerous. They were giving him 5 rounds to KO a middleweight who had no training camp, doesn't have big power, and doesn't have a particularly weird or unusual style. Jones easily beat Rashad Evans, he should eat a guy like Sonnen for lunch.

As for whether Sonnen deserved a title shot, of course he didn't, but the guys who do weren't available or ready to go. You're really best off offering it to guys who don't really deserve it and aren't on their way up the ranks, the guys who will jump at the shot because they know they probably won't get it again. Don't screw up the future, let deserving guys get full prep for their title shot, salvage the show by using arguably the fighter who is best at promoting fights in the entire organization, and go from there. Makes total sense to me.
 
2012-08-23 05:41:59 PM
I think this also shows how shallow the LHW division is, sure it's got plenty of talent, but not a lot of depth at the moment
 
2012-08-23 05:42:17 PM
It's weird the usual ufc fanboys are the ones that are pissed. It's like they don't realize their favorite sport has a tremendous amount of opponent specific strategy and training.
 
2012-08-23 05:44:15 PM

bhcompy: Because cutting weight to make a fight is a multiweek or month deal. You're not getting a lhw on late notice unless he's already fighting very soon


And even if the guy can somehow manage to make that cut, he gasses badly. See: Weidman back on the Fox card in January. Really good fighter, likely to be fighting for the title next year at some point... and pretty much had nothing from the middle of round 2 through the end of the fight because he took the fight on 11 days notice and had to cut like 30 pounds in that span.
 
2012-08-23 05:45:21 PM

elguerodiablo: It's weird the usual ufc fanboys are the ones that are pissed. It's like they don't realize their favorite sport has a tremendous amount of opponent specific strategy and training.


It also has a tremendous amount of injuries during training. Replacement fights are part of the sport - it's how Jones won the belt in the first place.
 
2012-08-23 05:47:17 PM

elguerodiablo: It's weird the usual ufc fanboys are the ones that are pissed. It's like they don't realize their favorite sport has a tremendous amount of opponent specific strategy and training.


What is it Sonnen does that Hendo doesn't? Hendo is a better striker and probably has a better chin. Both are great on the ground. Is Jones unprepared for a smaller guy?
 
2012-08-23 05:48:06 PM

Lumbar Puncture: puffy999: Oh, and clearly all of this means there's only one solution:

Let's hand Brock Lesnar the championship without him having to, you know, actually do anything. Clearly it worked oh so well last time.

I don't get why so many of the same people that biatched when Lesnar was handed a title fight are biatching now because Jones refused to defend the title against an out of shape middle weight who lost his last fight and has never fought in that weight division.

Or why Jones is a coward for choosing not to fight an guy who didn't train and instead delaying his defense three weeks to defend his belt against a guy who actually won his last fight and is considered one of the better light heavyweights in the world. If someone tells me they're turning down a fight against a housecat because they want to fight a tiger in a few weeks, I usually wouldn't call that person a pussy.

Dana going apeshiat because he spread his money fights too thinly among too many events. I'm amazed he was able to say Tito Ortiz's name and then say something about never having champions refuse to fight. I wonder if Liddell thought that was funny.

Sonnen is the smartest one in this whole mess. Again he turns his ability to speak into giving him the spotlight. If he lost people would've said 'well he didn't have time to train'.


Lesnar was a joke, hes back where he belongs.

If Jones wasnt afraid of the house cat he was afraid of something, if he wanted to keep it all for the tiger then why take a fight against a guy in his 40's but refuse the Sonnen fight?

Dana is a joke, he only cares about his money and not the fighters themselves, he made sure to publicly call out Jones for this mess but he has a point

Sonnen comes out on top yeah, not because he planned it or used his mouth, but because as a professional fighter given an opportunity, he was willing to fight...
 
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