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(NPR)   The "Smokey Bear" effect has led to raging, forest-destroying fires that can permanently alter entire regions   (npr.org) divider line 93
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2012-08-23 01:26:26 PM
Didn't know you could cook bear in a smoker.
 
2012-08-23 01:29:28 PM
That's the view of fire historian Stephen Pyne.

How exactly does one become a pyrohistorian?
 
2012-08-23 01:31:10 PM
Fire is a natural part of the process...housing developments aren't.

Get used to it. It's just gonna get worse.
 
2012-08-23 01:41:55 PM

Ranger Joe: Fire is a natural part of the process...housing developments aren't.


This.
 
2012-08-23 01:53:55 PM

Blues_X: Ranger Joe: Fire is a natural part of the process...housing developments aren't.

This.


that's why I don't feel bad about flinging my cigarette butts out the window when driving through dry forest. I'm just restoring natural balance.
 
2012-08-23 02:03:09 PM
What about Smacky the Frog?
 
2012-08-23 02:16:36 PM

ArkAngel: How exactly does one become a pyrohistorian?


One of my friends is one. He has a PhD in Geography
 
2012-08-23 02:57:57 PM
As someone completely surrounded by fires right now, I also blame over-suppression.

However, it's a really unpopular line of thought in this region - only logging is good, anything else (no matter how sensible) is bad.
 
2012-08-23 03:00:54 PM
Old news is old.

And I mean decades old.
 
2012-08-23 03:04:16 PM

Saborlas: Didn't know you could cook bear in a smoker.


There is not an animal alive I couldn't make delicious with 20 hours of hickory or cherry wood.
 
2012-08-23 03:04:18 PM
Who knew Trogdor was poised to become the next goddamned batman?
 
2012-08-23 03:05:09 PM
NIMBYism has its drawbacks, I see. They do controlled burns all the time around Charleston, SC, as the Francis Marion National Forest basically borders the edge of development to the North and West. You get used to it, and it is comforting to know that the DNR is staying ahead of the game. I'll tell you, though, it is really eerie commuting past a stretch of forest that is just burning everywhere, no matter how low-level.
 
2012-08-23 03:06:47 PM
Who among us could have predicted that altering the natural ebb and flow of nature could have disastrous consequences?

"Hey, fire fighter, put out all of these small sporadic fires, my log cabin needs to sit unmolested in the middle of this forest...can't be having this underbrush burning."

"OMG MY HOUSE BURNED DOWN. IT'S SO TRAUMATIC. HOW COULD THIS HAVE HAPPENED?!?!"
 
2012-08-23 03:06:55 PM

Ranger Joe: Fire is a natural part of the process...housing developments aren't..


Housing developments are natural.

The natural/man-made distinction is one of mankind's stupidest ideas.
 
2012-08-23 03:06:56 PM

Gyrfalcon: Old news is old.

And I mean decades old.


+1

Slow news day + fire season = editor gets to leave at 2pm for tee time.
 
2012-08-23 03:09:01 PM
BACKFIRE!
 
2012-08-23 03:09:29 PM
Here in FL we do controlled burns all the time. I don't get what's so bad about them.
 
2012-08-23 03:09:29 PM

ArkAngel: That's the view of fire historian Stephen Pyne.

How exactly does one become a pyrohistorian?


Well, sleeping less than 18 hours a day is a start
 
2012-08-23 03:12:21 PM

Gyrfalcon: Old news is old.

And I mean decades old.


Remember the Yellowstone fire?
 
2012-08-23 03:13:33 PM
So, we could probably compare those forestry experts back in the day to the global warming scientists of the present, couldn't we?
 
2012-08-23 03:13:52 PM

Gyrfalcon: Old news is old.

And I mean decades old.


Yep, I've known this forever... Of course the story leaves out another important fact. Clear cutting led to the overcrowding in the first place, because they wiped out an area, replanted the Hell out of it, THEN "protected" it, thereby giving a dense forest of smaller, younger trees that burn easier, rather than the old growth that would just get a little singed while the grass burned away. Otherwise, yeah, this is old news, I think I personally forst heard about it 1990-ish, and I knew it was old news then, just not popular.
 
2012-08-23 03:17:07 PM

Old_Chief_Scott: So, we could probably compare those forestry experts back in the day to the global warming scientists of the present, couldn't we?



Only if by "we" you mean "complete retards."
 
2012-08-23 03:17:55 PM
I don't care what Kevin Smith says or wrote, it was "Smokey THE Bear" when I was a kid.... Maybe now it's Smokey Bear. But there was a "the" there when I was growing up.
 
2012-08-23 03:18:43 PM
So we keep getting told it's global warming causing these fires to be so bad but it turns out it's just the law of unintended consequences biting us in the ass because the government interfered with the natural process? Go figure.
 
2012-08-23 03:19:10 PM

Ranger Joe: Fire is a natural part of the process...housing developments aren't.


www.archaeologysouthwest.org
 
2012-08-23 03:19:37 PM

gb83: Ranger Joe: Fire is a natural part of the process...housing developments aren't..

Housing developments are natural.

The natural/man-made distinction is one of mankind's stupidest ideas.


And housing developments burning down in forest fires is natural.

The circle of life and junk...
 
2012-08-23 03:19:51 PM

gb83: Ranger Joe: Fire is a natural part of the process...housing developments aren't..

Housing developments are natural.

The natural/man-made distinction is one of mankind's stupidest ideas.


Preach it, brother.
All animals affect their habitat.
Including humans.
 
2012-08-23 03:21:04 PM
If God didn't want you to set fire to a state, he wouldn't have sent a drought
 
2012-08-23 03:21:05 PM
Pretty sure this "scientist" is just trying to let everything burn so he can introduce dinosaurs.

i8.photobucket.com

/seriously, look at his picture
//npr won't let me copy it so you have to go there
 
2012-08-23 03:23:02 PM
The poor obvious tag must have been killed in a runaway fire.

I'm shocked that we get worse fires when we refuse to let them burn up the dead shiat that piles up on the ground below the trees, causing the next one to come through to jump into the crowns. Fire, how does it work?
 
2012-08-23 03:23:38 PM
There was a recent study of the High Park Fire that concluded fuel thinning fire suppression projects made the fire burn faster and hotter. But buried in the coverage of the study was the fact that the thinning project involved removing a bunch of lower branches, which they piled up on the forest floor and then didn't haul away. And somehow it's surprising this made things worse.

\I know, random story, sis.
 
2012-08-23 03:23:56 PM
I remember as a kid, late 60s or early 70s, when the century of fire suppression finally collapsed and pretty much all of Southern California went up in flames. That's when they started to rethink fire zero-tolerance.
 
2012-08-23 03:25:51 PM
The park service learned this lesson after the big Yellowstone fire. Thats why they do controled burns at a lot of parks now.
 
2012-08-23 03:26:20 PM
you don't need no water let that motherfarker burn

prairie fires are good too.
 
2012-08-23 03:27:34 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: What about Smacky the Frog?


Delicious that's what
 
2012-08-23 03:30:15 PM
media.npr.org

Why is there a "furry" here?
 
2012-08-23 03:32:45 PM
I think I remember a piece on Mr Wizard's World on Nickelodeon in like 1985 talking about forest fires as natural part of forest life and that the forest needs periodic fires to keep from getting too large and enrich the soil, etc.
 
2012-08-23 03:35:26 PM
Whitewater-Baldy Complex BAER Executive Summary

Of the 290,000 estimated acres within the fire perimeter, 150,000 acres experience light burning or were unburned. From what I've read elsewhere, this is due to aggressive mitigation work in the Gila over the last ten years. With the right work, and perhaps a steep reduction in grazing, these forests can recover. It's not just the logging and revegetation that have caused these out-of-balance conditions, but the decades of heavy grazing and the resulting alteration in grass and forb vegetation patterns has been a big contributor. These forests are not adapted to heavy regular grazing by sheep and cattle. Pre-Columbian ungulate numbers and behaviors in these forests were quite different than what is caused by systematic grazing by domesticated animals.
 
2012-08-23 03:38:59 PM

s1ugg0: Saborlas: Didn't know you could cook bear in a smoker.

There is not an animal alive I couldn't make delicious with 20 hours of hickory or cherry wood.


I'm pretty sure I could come up with a few things from the non bird/fish/mammal parts of the animal kingdom you'd have a rough time making edible.

Sounds like a good tailgating challenge!
 
2012-08-23 03:58:17 PM

OgreMagi: I remember as a kid, late 60s or early 70s, when the century of fire suppression finally collapsed and pretty much all of Southern California went up in flames. That's when they started to rethink fire zero-tolerance.


Zero Tolerance = Zero Intelligence in every form that it is practiced.
 
2012-08-23 03:59:12 PM
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2012-08-23 04:03:49 PM

shivashakti: I don't care what Kevin Smith says or wrote, it was "Smokey THE Bear" when I was a kid.... Maybe now it's Smokey Bear. But there was a "the" there when I was growing up.


I concur. A "Smokey Bear" evokes other images.
 
2012-08-23 04:09:24 PM

Oznog: [media.npr.org image 300x199]

Why is there a "furry" here?


Yours is not to question why, your is but to do that guy... or gal... but most likely guy.

Are there even any girl furries?
I mean I've seen drawings of female furries, but I don't think I've seen a gal in a fur suit, but how would I even know?
 
2012-08-23 04:09:39 PM

Old_Chief_Scott: So, we could probably compare those forestry experts back in the day to the global warming scientists of the present, couldn't we?


forestry "experts" of the 50's = lumber industry employees
 
2012-08-23 04:10:52 PM
The Yacolt Burn of 1902 is usually credited with being the catalyst for the Forest Service's fire suppression rules. Almost a quarter million acres burned in 36 hours.

I've been in that area many times since moving down here and you can see scars from it over a hundred years later.

/The More You Know...
 
2012-08-23 04:12:36 PM

shivashakti: I don't care what Kevin Smith says or wrote, it was "Smokey THE Bear" when I was a kid.... Maybe now it's Smokey Bear. But there was a "the" there when I was growing up.


Smokey THE bear
Smokey THE bear
a howling and a growling and a sniffing the air
he can fight a fire, before it starts to flame
that's why they call him smokey and that's how he got his name.

/more or less.
 
2012-08-23 04:14:07 PM

trappedspirit: shivashakti: I don't care what Kevin Smith says or wrote, it was "Smokey THE Bear" when I was a kid.... Maybe now it's Smokey Bear. But there was a "the" there when I was growing up.

I concur. A "Smokey Bear" evokes other images.


www.genuinewitty.com
 
rka
2012-08-23 04:14:12 PM
What about the Smokey and the Bandit effect? How's that progressing?
 
2012-08-23 04:21:01 PM

trappedspirit: shivashakti: I don't care what Kevin Smith says or wrote, it was "Smokey THE Bear" when I was a kid.... Maybe now it's Smokey Bear. But there was a "the" there when I was growing up.

I concur. A "Smokey Bear" evokes other images.


www.cumhunks.com
 
2012-08-23 04:23:11 PM

trappedspirit: shivashakti: I don't care what Kevin Smith says or wrote, it was "Smokey THE Bear" when I was a kid.... Maybe now it's Smokey Bear. But there was a "the" there when I was growing up.

I concur. A "Smokey Bear" evokes other images.


Only youuuuuuu can prevent gay forest orgies.
 
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