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(Chron)   Roger Clemens who is set to make his debut with the Sugar Land Skeeters on Saturday night gets ready by playing for a 50+ male softball team Wednesday   (blog.chron.com) divider line 13
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2012-08-23 02:29:00 PM
Do you think he'll get an at bat in the Majors? If so, will the opposing pitcher throw at his head?
 
2012-08-23 02:29:19 PM
clemens playing softball?

/simpsons did it
 
2012-08-23 02:35:15 PM
I know that we can't use explanation points in headlines but that doesn't mean all things considered that we can't use puncutation for example something like oh I don't know a comma or perhaps a semicolon because otherwise this headline reads like Jacob Silj who as we know cannot due to an unfortunate birth defect control the modulation of his voice in closing mix in a comma thanks very much
 
2012-08-23 02:39:09 PM
This dick is trying to reset the clock on his retirement so that his first Hall of Fame ballot will be 2017.
 
2012-08-23 02:53:58 PM
Random Fact Time!!! They were playing at Bayland Park which is where parts of Bad News Bears: Breaking Training was filmed. I was just watching that last night for some unknown reason.

/Also where Jim Kelly and the Houston Gamblers of the USFL practiced.
 
2012-08-23 03:07:23 PM

Levarien: This dick is trying to reset the clock on his retirement so that his first Hall of Fame ballot will be 2017.



Huh. I hadn't thought of that before but I bet you are right.
 
2012-08-23 03:23:43 PM
Or maybe he's trying to cash in on the tontine he and the others in the Simpsons 9 established way back when. Can't just give it all to Griffey, after all, and managing doesn't count.
 
2012-08-23 03:51:29 PM
This seems like a good thread to ask in: Has anyone heard this rumor about Roger Clemens pitching for some independent minor league team with a funny name? Anyone think it's true? We should probably have a thread about it.

xpisblack: Or maybe he's trying to cash in on the tontine he and the others in the Simpsons 9 established way back when. Can't just give it all to Griffey, after all, and managing doesn't count.


That explains Canseco begging every team in sight on twitter, I suppose.
 
2012-08-23 04:28:36 PM
Good luck, Rocket.



GO CHEATERS!!!!

Oh, crap, I read that wrong...
 
2012-08-23 04:34:14 PM
I thought this was a ploy to get him into the Hall of Fame by putting it off for a couple years. He was found not guilty and there isn't sufficient evidence that he used PED's during his career. Well... unless you look at his stats.
-See Skip Bayless
-Steroids always don't bulk you up, there are cutting PED's as well Mr. Jeter. I am sure and all players know this as well. Deca, Tren and Winny V are some good ones that will just make you look like you are "in shape". Deca gives bloat when used incorrectly.
 
2012-08-23 04:35:24 PM
Why should Pud Galvin and Gaylord Perry be in the Hall of Fame but not Roger Clemens?
 
2012-08-23 04:46:32 PM
Maybe he'll get shipped up to the next level Chug and Slug men's rec league.
 
2012-08-23 05:43:49 PM

ElwoodCuse: Why should Pud Galvin and Gaylord Perry be in the Hall of Fame but not Roger Clemens?


That's what kills me about Clemens (and Bonds, while I'm at it): Each was a HoF-calibre player without the rumoured steroid abuse. Assuming Clemens started his drug cycles in Toronto (looking at his last few years in Boston compared with his stint with the Jays, that seems like a reasonable starting point), he still had gaudy enough numbers to get him at least into the neighbourhood of Hall consideration. Now imagine a world in which Sandy Koufax used steroids to extend his career by more than a decade-- what clean pitcher could compete with that?

But to compare steroids to the spitball is absurd. Pitchers sometimes talk about a "God-given spitter," which is basically a moving pitch thrown by a heads-up player in rainy conditions. If moisture on the ball were truly dangerous or unfair, then all baseball games would be played indoors. Clearly, the moisture isn't the pertinent issue-- rather, the problem back in the day was that spitters moved too much for even good batters to clobber. The illegality came not from an unfair advantage or a legal or safety concern (as is the case with steroids and PEDs in general), but a practical concern about the popularity of the sport. In some ways, the spitter is the exact opposite (or possibly the complement) of steroids-- it was banned because, though nationally legal, it made home runs harder to hit; steroids, though illegal, were embraced because they made home runs easier to hit. Back in Gaylord Perry's day, the players used performance diminishing drugs-- alcohol and tobacco, mainly, though I suppose he pitched into the cocaine and amphetamine era-- and some players still put up jaw-dropping performances. Perry used the spitter, but no less an official of the sport than Commissioner Ford Frick advocated its return well into the '50s, more than 30 years after its owner-led ban. The spitball wasn't dangerous or harmful or unfair, it was just a harder pitch to hit out of the park-- and post-WWI owners were desperate for home runs, and to avoid anything that tarnished the popularity of the sport (particularly after the 1919 WS scandal, though the leagues were already talking about banning the spitter before that cropped up), so they had it banned. Fans loved home runs, so anything that decreased their occurrence was deemed bad for the sport.

As for Pud Galvin, steroids (even monkey testosterone) weren't illegal when he pitched. Anabolic steroids weren't banned by US law until the late 1980s. Hell, man, Galvin started pitching almost 30 years before it occurred to athletes that injecting strychnine and chugging brandy during a marathon might be a bad idea. There is no legitimate comparison between Galvin (or any 19th-century ballplayers who used medicinal tonics-- many of which included ingredients that have since been controlled by US law-- that were perfectly legal at the time) and a player from the 1990s who voluntarily broke national law and league decree in order to gain a competitive advantage over even slightly more scrupulous players.

Remember, Coca-Cola contained at least trace amounts of cocaine until 1929 (noticeably less than it boasted in 1885, but still a little bit), and no law or practice stopped Ty Cobb promoting it, nor does anyone think he should have been barred from the Hall for promoting Coke. For being a ballbag, maybe, but not for advertising Coca-Cola. If, 75 years into the future, one of the active ingredients in 2012-era bubble gum should be found dangerous or unfair and banned, that discovery will not call this year's players into question. But should a 2080s-era player get busted for illicit bubblegum use, then he (or she) will be held accountable for failing to uphold contemporary rules and laws. If caffeine should eventually be banned from sport, then today's players will not be considered cheaters for having used caffeine. The problem with most accused steroid users is that they (allegedly) used steroids after the ban, and used them to gain an unfair advantage. Clemens is nothing like Galvin, and Perry's only real offense was using a pitch that was hard to hit hard. The cases are simply not comparable.
 
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