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(The New Republic)   Romney: "This study by these Harvard economists say my approach to Medicare would work." Harvard economists: "No, it doesn't say that at all"   (tnr.com) divider line 134
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2012-08-23 11:50:41 AM
j.wigflip.com
 
2012-08-23 11:53:13 AM
Another day, another Romney lie.

Right on schedule.
 
2012-08-23 11:53:17 AM
Mitt Romney: We Reject Reality

Are the lies usually this frequent and blatant? I don't remember it being this bad during '08, but then rose-colored glasses and all.
 
2012-08-23 11:54:11 AM
WILL YOU STOP USING HIS OWN WORDS AGAINST HIM?!?!?!

Jesus you commies have no sense of decency
 
2012-08-23 11:56:21 AM

I Said: Mitt Romney: We Reject Reality

Are the lies usually this frequent and blatant? I don't remember it being this bad during '08, but then rose-colored glasses and all.


Nope. He's gone well beyond usual politician lying into a dimension that is pure lie.
 
2012-08-23 11:56:39 AM
Romney's response: "Does so does so does so does so does so times infinity!"
 
2012-08-23 11:59:32 AM

Aarontology: I Said: Mitt Romney: We Reject Reality

Are the lies usually this frequent and blatant? I don't remember it being this bad during '08, but then rose-colored glasses and all.

Nope. He's gone well beyond usual politician lying into a dimension that is pure lie.


"Lying", in my humble opinion, is not an appropriate tag when one describes Romney. I think it is more befitting to call him "dishonest". Lying and dishonesty are not always the one in the same
 
2012-08-23 12:02:47 PM

I Said: Mitt Romney: We Reject Reality

Are the lies usually this frequent and blatant? I don't remember it being this bad during '08, but then rose-colored glasses and all.


IT'S ROMNEALITY!

/everything and nothing all at the same time
 
2012-08-23 12:06:14 PM
Good luck with that, Mitt. Just keep talking...
 
2012-08-23 12:07:06 PM

I Said: Are the lies usually this frequent and blatant? I don't remember it being this bad during '08, but then rose-colored glasses and all.


Romney's declared his past, his present and his future to be out of bounds.
So, fiction is all he has left.
 
2012-08-23 12:07:12 PM

cman: Aarontology: I Said: Mitt Romney: We Reject Reality

Are the lies usually this frequent and blatant? I don't remember it being this bad during '08, but then rose-colored glasses and all.

Nope. He's gone well beyond usual politician lying into a dimension that is pure lie.

"Lying", in my humble opinion, is not an appropriate tag when one describes Romney. I think it is more befitting to call him "dishonest". Lying and dishonesty are not always the one in the same


That's a good point. Especially given just how often and what he lies about. This is a good example. He's flat out saying the opposite of what the truth is. It's not even "From a certain point of view" true.
 
2012-08-23 12:08:14 PM
cman

Aarontology: I Said: Mitt Romney: We Reject Reality

Are the lies usually this frequent and blatant? I don't remember it being this bad during '08, but then rose-colored glasses and all.

Nope. He's gone well beyond usual politician lying into a dimension that is pure lie.

"Lying", in my humble opinion, is not an appropriate tag when one describes Romney. I think it is more befitting to call him "dishonest". Lying and dishonesty are not always the one in the same


No, most other political campaigns are dishonest. Rmoney's is flat out lying.
 
2012-08-23 12:09:08 PM
Remember kids, in legal and scientific affairs, it's always important to cite cases that you haven't read*

*US vs Tinkleberry, USSC 1961
 
2012-08-23 12:10:31 PM

Lurking Fear: No, most other political campaigns are dishonest. Rmoney's is flat out lying.


Campaigns in general lie to help get traction. Romney seems to lie... just because that's all he knows how to do.He's a fundamentally dishonest person.
 
2012-08-23 12:12:49 PM
Both Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have said they would like to convert Medicare into a "premium support" (nee voucher) system.

You can put a guarantee on a box of crap, but all you'll have it a guaranteed box of shiat.
If I switch to buying the extra grande condoms then my gf will be mightily impressed with the increased size of my junk.
 
2012-08-23 12:14:42 PM

cman: "Lying", in my humble opinion, is not an appropriate tag when one describes Romney. I think it is more befitting to call him "dishonest". Lying and dishonesty are not always the one in the same


That's an apt statement. Somebody who is lying isn't telling the truth right now. Someone who is dishonest is no longer given the benefit of the doubt as to his truthfulness and can be assumed to be lying by default.
 
2012-08-23 12:15:58 PM
The Campaign of Lies continues.
 
2012-08-23 12:17:50 PM

Karac: cman: "Lying", in my humble opinion, is not an appropriate tag when one describes Romney. I think it is more befitting to call him "dishonest". Lying and dishonesty are not always the one in the same

That's an apt statement. Somebody who is lying isn't telling the truth right now. Someone who is dishonest is no longer given the benefit of the doubt as to his truthfulness and can be assumed to be lying by default.


Can we at least agree on a more neutral word like "asshole"?
 
2012-08-23 12:20:52 PM
For the amount of lying he does, you'd think he'd be better at it.

He's barely at Sarah Palin levels of lying. Not good.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-23 12:21:36 PM

Aarontology: Lurking Fear: No, most other political campaigns are dishonest. Rmoney's is flat out lying.

Campaigns in general lie to help get traction. Romney seems to lie... just because that's all he knows how to do.He's a fundamentally dishonest person.


No, I think it's just it would be political suicide to tell people that he wants to gut Medicare. That's why they use the phrase "premium support". If people knew it was going to be like school vouchers in the bible belt they would realize that they were going to get screwed.
 
2012-08-23 12:23:52 PM

vpb: No, I think it's just it would be political suicide to tell people that he wants to gut Medicare. That's why they use the phrase "premium support". If people knew it was going to be like school vouchers in the bible belt they would realize that they were going to get screwed.


Even then, he's flip flopped like fifteen times on that subject since he chose Ryan. It's like he can't even decide which lie to go with so he tries them all.
 
2012-08-23 12:31:31 PM
If Romney had any respect for us, he wouldn't be blatantly lying to us.
 
2012-08-23 12:32:49 PM
At this point, if Romney said the sky was blue, I'd have to look up just to be sure.
 
2012-08-23 12:34:44 PM
R|R
 
2012-08-23 12:35:32 PM
img89.imageshack.us

"You know nothing of my work!"
 
2012-08-23 12:38:21 PM
Many people expect politicians to lie occasionally. Sadly. Mr. Romney appears to have missed the 'occasionally' part.
 
2012-08-23 12:42:22 PM
Lying. White. Goon.
 
2012-08-23 01:00:41 PM

Aarontology: Lurking Fear: No, most other political campaigns are dishonest. Rmoney's is flat out lying.

Campaigns in general lie to help get traction. Romney seems to lie... just because that's all he knows how to do.He's a fundamentally dishonest person.


This is nothing new. This isn't a bug, it's a feature.

Romney has made a career at bullsh*tting folks he plans on soaking. He did it when he was in business. He did it when he was involved with the UMaine system. He did it with the Olympics. He did it in Mass as Governor. He WILL do it if he's given another office. He WILL do it in any other business he goes into. This is what he is. He excels at getting other people to pay for his privilege, and it will continue, until folks stop giving him their money. He gives a good return to some, but for most, he just talks a good game, while getting his buddies the best return on their dollar, and he pockets a fair share.

His Presidency will be no different. That's why I can't vote for him. It's not a vote for the nation or for the future. He is committed to only serving himself and those who back him closest, and everyone else are marks or rubes, and that is not leadership, it's vulture capitalism at its worst...

There are far better folks in business now, who represent better ideals than "Gimmie and you can f*ck off!" It's time maybe we gave them a shot, and left asshats like Romney on the dustpile of history...
 
2012-08-23 01:01:16 PM
FTFA: Both Romney and Ryan now say that traditional Medicare, the government-run insurance program, would be among the options in the marketplace. But they would not guarantee that voucher can pay for it.

This is a point that needs to be hammered home again and again and again.

Certain Farkers (I won't name logins) have been arguing that "traditional Medicare is an option in the Ryan/Romney plan." They argue this, obviously, in an effort to immunize the Ryan/Romney campaign from charges of ending Medicare as we know it. But, these Farkers never own up to the fact that the vouchers included in Ryan/Romney will probably not actually cover the full cost of traditional Medicare. They try to hide the fact that seniors who want traditional Medicare coverage will have to dig significantly into their own pockets for the same services that today's seniors get as a matter of course.

I'm not saying these Farkers are dishonest Republicans shills...but they're dishonest Republican shills.
 
2012-08-23 01:38:19 PM

eraser8: FTFA: Both Romney and Ryan now say that traditional Medicare, the government-run insurance program, would be among the options in the marketplace. But they would not guarantee that voucher can pay for it.

This is a point that needs to be hammered home again and again and again.

Certain Farkers (I won't name logins) have been arguing that "traditional Medicare is an option in the Ryan/Romney plan." They argue this, obviously, in an effort to immunize the Ryan/Romney campaign from charges of ending Medicare as we know it. But, these Farkers never own up to the fact that the vouchers included in Ryan/Romney will probably not actually cover the full cost of traditional Medicare. They try to hide the fact that seniors who want traditional Medicare coverage will have to dig significantly into their own pockets for the same services that today's seniors get as a matter of course.

I'm not saying these Farkers are dishonest Republicans shills...but they're dishonest Republican shills.


And speaking of shills, where the hell are they? Are they all headed to Tampa or something?
 
2012-08-23 01:43:31 PM
goo.gl
 
2012-08-23 01:50:09 PM

Aarontology: I Said: Mitt Romney: We Reject Reality

Are the lies usually this frequent and blatant? I don't remember it being this bad during '08, but then rose-colored glasses and all.

Nope. He's gone well beyond usual politician lying into a dimension that is pure lie.


Yea, but libs and stuff, so that makes it ok!
 
2012-08-23 01:51:14 PM

Marcus Aurelius: And speaking of shills, where the hell are they? Are they all headed to Tampa or something?


It's hard work covering for a serial liar, a tax cheat, and congenital flip-flopper. They have to take a break some time.
 
2012-08-23 01:51:56 PM

Marcus Aurelius: And speaking of shills, where the hell are they? Are they all headed to Tampa or something?


img337.imageshack.us
 
2012-08-23 01:54:01 PM
That fact that you are pointing out his lies just means that you are the real liar and he is just the innocent victim of reverse lies
 
2012-08-23 01:55:18 PM

I Said: Are the lies usually this frequent and blatant? I don't remember it being this bad during '08, but then rose-colored glasses and all.


McCain was a tendentious stooge and Palin a troglodyte but Romney/Ryan is the least truthful presidential campaign in history. I don't think a single sentence they speak in public is true.
 
2012-08-23 01:55:20 PM
Despite being insanely busy with work and other things, I would be willing DAVID AXELROD to edit together the greatest Mr. Romney lie mixtape for YouTube the world has ever seen. It will make unicorns cry and vibrators hum, it will make Karl Rove shiat his pants and David Koch lick Sheldon Adelson's taint.
 
2012-08-23 01:57:33 PM
Romney: "I don't give half a shiat what the truth is, just make me president you inbred morons."
 
2012-08-23 01:58:47 PM
Can't trust those Harvard elitists unless they're politically expedient!
 
2012-08-23 01:59:37 PM

Lurking Fear: cman

Aarontology: I Said: Mitt Romney: We Reject Reality

Are the lies usually this frequent and blatant? I don't remember it being this bad during '08, but then rose-colored glasses and all.

Nope. He's gone well beyond usual politician lying into a dimension that is pure lie.

"Lying", in my humble opinion, is not an appropriate tag when one describes Romney. I think it is more befitting to call him "dishonest". Lying and dishonesty are not always the one in the same

No, most other political campaigns are dishonest. Rmoney's is flat out lying.


Romney has been caught, repeatedly, lying about a number of things. Hence his fear of "negative campaigning", because calling him out when he flat-out lies is "negative" in his eyes.

He's a bullshait artist, plain and simple - a businessman who relies on the shell game and the flim-flam to make a profit at the expense of others. Why folks still think that voting for him is a good idea is beyond me. I can understand wanting to vote "against Obama", but if you're going to do that as a protest, hell, vote for someone other than Romney. Cutting off your own nose to spite your face has never been a solid practice.
 
2012-08-23 01:59:57 PM
Romney: "This study by these Harvard economists say my approach to Medicare would work." Harvard economists: "No, it doesn't say that at all"

It says, "we have no idea" any more than Romney or Obama do.

The idea of testing the exchanges to gather some actual data (as opposed to assumptions) is actually a pretty good idea.
 
2012-08-23 02:01:13 PM

Summoner101: Can't trust those Harvard elitists unless they're politically expedient!


Since Romney has a business degree from Harvard, I GUESS he could say he was referring to A HARVARD expert. Oh yes (Takei voice).... the man in the mirror.
 
2012-08-23 02:01:59 PM

Coco LaFemme: At this point, if Romney said the sky was blue, I'd have to look up just to be sure.


I'd wonder what he meant by "sky," too.
 
2012-08-23 02:02:03 PM
So, should I just assume that the conservatives who came to the wrong conclusion about the report are just dumb and can't properly comprehend what the report says, or do they know damned well what the report says and are just muddying the waters to keep the uninformed electorate confused?

I mean, either way, it does not speak well of them, but I'd like to know if I should feel pity or disgust
 
2012-08-23 02:02:11 PM

cchris_39: Romney: "This study by these Harvard economists say my approach to Medicare would work." Harvard economists: "No, it doesn't say that at all"

It says, "we have no idea" any more than Romney or Obama do.

The idea of testing the exchanges to gather some actual data (as opposed to assumptions) is actually a pretty good idea.


Agreed. It's also the least likely one to be suggested by the GOP.
 
2012-08-23 02:02:52 PM

cchris_39: The idea of testing the exchanges to gather some actual data (as opposed to assumptions) is actually a pretty good idea.


So, would testing universal, single-payer healthcare in the United States also be a good idea?
 
2012-08-23 02:04:52 PM

cchris_39: Romney: "This study by these Harvard economists say my approach to Medicare would work." Harvard economists: "No, it doesn't say that at all"

It says, "we have no idea" any more than Romney or Obama do.


In other words, the headline is 100% accurate.
 
2012-08-23 02:06:02 PM

hubiestubert: Aarontology: Lurking Fear: No, most other political campaigns are dishonest. Rmoney's is flat out lying.

Campaigns in general lie to help get traction. Romney seems to lie... just because that's all he knows how to do.He's a fundamentally dishonest person.

This is nothing new. This isn't a bug, it's a feature.

Romney has made a career at bullsh*tting folks he plans on soaking. He did it when he was in business. He did it when he was involved with the UMaine system. He did it with the Olympics. He did it in Mass as Governor. He WILL do it if he's given another office. He WILL do it in any other business he goes into. This is what he is. He excels at getting other people to pay for his privilege, and it will continue, until folks stop giving him their money. He gives a good return to some, but for most, he just talks a good game, while getting his buddies the best return on their dollar, and he pockets a fair share.

His Presidency will be no different. That's why I can't vote for him. It's not a vote for the nation or for the future. He is committed to only serving himself and those who back him closest, and everyone else are marks or rubes, and that is not leadership, it's vulture capitalism at its worst...

There are far better folks in business now, who represent better ideals than "Gimmie and you can f*ck off!" It's time maybe we gave them a shot, and left asshats like Romney on the dustpile of history...


I do like the term vulture capitalism, but I much prefer casino capitalism because then you can make the point that Mitt Romney and other Wall Street high flyers are turning us into nothing more than faceless poker chips and gambling away our lives just so they can make a buck, not to mention it calls to mind the fake glitz and glamour of Las Vegas .
 
2012-08-23 02:06:19 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Remember kids, in legal and scientific affairs, it's always important to cite cases that you haven't read*

*US vs Tinkleberry, USSC 1961


Oh, man! That was my favorite monster cereal back in the 70's!

Or was it Cap'n Crunch? I don't remember. But anyway, my older brother always made a bowl of it for me for breakfast and it was great!
 
2012-08-23 02:08:19 PM

Coco LaFemme: At this point, if Romney said the sky was blue, I'd have to look up just to be sure.


And that's when he'd pick your pocket.
 
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