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(Reason Magazine)   With the '12 GOP platform in the news this week, let's look back at the '08 Democratic platform in all its civil-liberties-preserving awesomeness. Of course, you're far too smart to fall for such nonsense twice...right?   (reason.com) divider line 63
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2012-08-23 10:50:53 AM  
So vote Republican? Is that right?
 
2012-08-23 10:51:13 AM  
Mods drinking early today?
DAMN THE TORPEDOES, FULL DERP AHEAD!!!!
 
2012-08-23 10:52:07 AM  
ah, reason - the libertarian magazine for republicans. i can't believe i once subscribed to you.
 
2012-08-23 10:52:18 AM  
Article makes a good point, I don't want big brother looking at my anywhere.........most of all in my bedroom.
 
2012-08-23 10:52:27 AM  
Aren't party platforms like those corporate brainstorming sessions where everyone is allowed give their ideas, then the people actually in charge meet later and say "what a bunch of tards?"
 
2012-08-23 10:52:29 AM  
As a DC resident, I'd like to quote Republican Senate candidate Michael Baumgartner and say to the RNC, "Go Fark Yourself."

// no picture of a dead marine to go with it though
 
2012-08-23 10:52:43 AM  
"Forget about our actual policies, look at what Obama might be doing!"
 
2012-08-23 10:53:18 AM  

Cletus C.: Aren't party platforms like those corporate brainstorming sessions where everyone is allowed give their ideas, then the people actually in charge meet later and say "what a bunch of tards?"


No, party platforms are the people actually in charge saying "This is what the party stands for"
 
2012-08-23 10:54:09 AM  
Soooo..... what?

Am I supposed to be surprised that the democrats in power don't perfectly match my beliefs? Am I supposed to be shocked to discover that sometimes I disagree with them? Am I being asked to vote instead for the party that is openly hostile to every basic belief I hold because the democrats are wishy washy on a small subset of my beliefs? Are you trying to imply that I think democrats are perfect?

What the fark is your point here, dumbass?
 
2012-08-23 10:54:40 AM  
Silly subby, expecting politicians to mean what they say.
 
2012-08-23 10:55:21 AM  
With the '12 GOP platform in the news much more than we're comfortable with this week, let's look back at the '08 Democratic platform before anyone realizes how far afield we've gone
 
2012-08-23 10:57:06 AM  
Actions speak louder than any words, and the actions of the GOP have been far more damaging over the past 10 years to our civil liberties, and the Democrats in office seemed to scared of the GOP or outright compliant to actually stand up because they cared more about re-election than civil liberties.
 
2012-08-23 10:57:37 AM  
The '08 platform, which is four years out of date and will be updated soon (if it hasn't been already, I haven't checked recently)?

The straws, they are barely grasped.
 
2012-08-23 10:57:42 AM  
If you think that's bad, why, just look at the Democratic platform from back in 1890! Do we really want these segregationists in the White House four more years?

/don't they have a platform for THIS year to compare it to?
//stopped reading Reason around age 15
 
2012-08-23 10:58:26 AM  
Why is it that all the current popular Conservative news orifices (Reason, American Thinker, etc) seem to be named in Orwellian doublespeak?
 
2012-08-23 10:58:29 AM  
So that argument is that the Democrats don't adhere to their platform?

That's fine, but it's not going to bite them. The GOP throwing all the personhood people under the bus after bullshiatting them for 30 years is going to be a disaster. I mean, they still tried to bullshiat them with their platform the day after telling Akin that they won't fund his race for having the gall of stating what they all believe and vote for. The fundies are all lining up with Akin now.
 
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2012-08-23 10:58:30 AM  
I never fell for any derp from "reason" the first time.
 
2012-08-23 10:58:35 AM  
Oops. He forgot to make a point.

Is he claiming Obama/Democrats did none of what they said? Only some? Did they fail to move the needle on things or do exactly the opposite of what they said (if "status quo" is a 0, did they stay at 0, move to 1 like they promised, or go to -1)? Are these assessments based on factual data or the rhetorical stylings of John Bolton on a 3-day absinthe bender?
 
2012-08-23 10:59:54 AM  
So now all the hippies will vote for Romney instead.
 
2012-08-23 11:00:07 AM  

Cletus C.: Aren't party platforms like those corporate brainstorming sessions where everyone is allowed give their ideas, then the people actually in charge meet later and say "what a bunch of tards?"


The sharia law plank will most likely not stick, but the penis-goes-where and big brother up the vagina is here to stay. With Romney not saying anything specific about his economic plan other than a broken tax reform policy they won't be able to win on the economy unless it gets very, very bad before November.
 
2012-08-23 11:01:44 AM  
"Don't vote for the people with the poor civil liberties record, vote for the people with the worse civil liberties record!"
 
2012-08-23 11:02:22 AM  
Oh Reason magazine, thank you so much for ignoring the simple fact that waterboarding is no longer done but will be brought back under Romney.

Oh, that's right, you don't care about FOREIGNERS' rights. We can treat them like shiat and there is absolutely no way that would hurt us long term.

You're REASONing abilities are infinite, good sir.
 
2012-08-23 11:02:30 AM  
The vote, which complicates Mr. Obama's efforts to shutter the prison by his deadline of Jan. 22, 2010, was 90 to 6. Republicans voted unanimously in favor of cutting the money. 
 
Link
 
2012-08-23 11:03:42 AM  
Do not go quietly into that good night / Flail, Flail against the dying of the Right
 
2012-08-23 11:03:57 AM  
Hey jerkoff author,

If you don't recall, the Obama administration made a real, concerted effort to try to close Guantanamo - to the point that the President issued an order for it to be closed.

And you remember what happened? The right threw a collective shiat-fit, telling the President effectively to F-off and that they wouldn't allow their state to house terrorists because "they might escape and do terrory-stuff."

Since the President isn't a dictator not much has happened since then on that particular issue.

In short: EABOD&DIAF
 
2012-08-23 11:04:12 AM  
As Naom Chomsky says, "There's nothing wrong with picking the lesser of the two evils."

Because you get less evil.

It's a pretty simple choice. So, until Cthulhu runs, I'll keep on picking the lesser of two evils.
 
2012-08-23 11:04:46 AM  
The move to block the prison's closure was written into a massive year-end spending bill that passed the House on Wednesday evening on a vote of 212-206, part of a last-minute legislative rush by Democrats to push through their priorities before ceding the House to Republican control in January.
 
Link
 
2012-08-23 11:05:33 AM  
One party shot for the stars and landed on the moon, so vote for the party that wants to shoot you in the feet, because they'll probably miss and just kill you instead
 
2012-08-23 11:05:52 AM  
So the Reps continue to fail to grasp many of us aren't so much voting for Obama as we're voting against the party of Defining Rape. I consider myself more of a Buckley Conservative (Beware the fundies) and slightly left of center Obama sits better with me than the other options on the table. The idea of Paul Ryan as a tie breaker vote in the Senate and the likely fact that Romney wouldn't drop vetos on Tea Party/Fundie Bills means the Rep ticket is a non starter without needing to go any further.
 
2012-08-23 11:06:11 AM  
so i should vote for romney who at this point is a gold medal olympic platform diver
 
2012-08-23 11:09:31 AM  

Cletus C.: Aren't party platforms like those corporate brainstorming sessions where everyone is allowed give their ideas, then the people actually in charge meet later and say "what a bunch of tards?"


So now we know how you feel about the GOP party platform.
You had us worried for a while.
 
2012-08-23 11:10:35 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: The GOP throwing all the personhood people under the bus after bullshiatting them for 30 years is going to be a disaster.


By "throwing under the bus" do you mean "making them vice president"?
 
2012-08-23 11:10:48 AM  
If only there was a perfect political party to vote for out there, one that would do everything I wanted. That would be nice.
 
2012-08-23 11:13:19 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Soooo..... what?

Am I supposed to be surprised that the democrats in power don't perfectly match my beliefs? Am I supposed to be shocked to discover that sometimes I disagree with them? Am I being asked to vote instead for the party that is openly hostile to every basic belief I hold because the democrats are wishy washy on a small subset of my beliefs? Are you trying to imply that I think democrats are perfect?

What the fark is your point here, dumbass?


This is the same shiat I have to go over with my retarded "friends" on facebook that think that b/c I vote Democrat that I support EVERYTHING they do and will be offended if they can point out Biden's latest gaffe.

CSB :

A guy on FB posts a picture of Rush Limbaugh's Tea party Tea (or some shiat like that) and his comment is "Made with the tears of the women that the democrats claim their is a war on". I responded by saying this was by far the most dickish comment I've read on FB in...well, possibly ever. His response? "Yeah, well Biden said he wanted to put black people in chains!" I was all, like, "Wtf, mate. That's not what he said and yes, while it was kind of a questionable thing to say how in the fark does that make a difference on your misogynistic bullshiat?"

it's always like this. "Well, the Dems didn't throw wall street bankers in jail"

"yeah, well, I think that sucks. So?"

"LIBTARDSS!!!!!"

It's farking infuriating.
 
2012-08-23 11:13:44 AM  
I can recognize that the administration and party that I supported 4 years ago may not align with my personal views 100% of the time and still realize that the alternative aligns with my personal views far far less.

Call me crazy...
 
2012-08-23 11:14:08 AM  
Here's the thing I don't quite understand about the Gitmo thing...are people complaining because *they want it closed*? Or is this more a, he said he wanted it closed, I don't really have an opinion, but he didn't close it and therefore Derp?

Or do they want it open? The reason I ask is because Obama isn't a dictator and Congress wouldn't let him bring any prisoners stateside...so...if you *actually* want Gitmo closed...why not help?
 
2012-08-23 11:15:17 AM  
Who doesn't know that it was Congress who blocked the removal of the Guantanamo Bay prisoners to the United States?


- On January 22, 2009, President Barack Obama signed an order to suspend the proceedings of the Guantanamo military commission for 120 days and that the detention facility would be shut down within the year

-On May 20, 2009, the United States Senate passed an amendment to the Supplemental Appropriations Act of 2009 (H.R. 2346) by a 90-6 vote to block funds needed for the transfer or release of prisoners held at the Guantanamo Bay detention camp.

-President Obama issued a Presidential memorandum dated December 15, 2009, ordering the preparation of the Thomson Correctional Center, Thomson, Illinois so as to enable the transfer of Guantanamo prisoners there.
 
2012-08-23 11:15:48 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: HotWingConspiracy: The GOP throwing all the personhood people under the bus after bullshiatting them for 30 years is going to be a disaster.

By "throwing under the bus" do you mean "making them vice president"?


But he's not allowed to talk about or act on it. He even told Akin to quit.

So in addition, it exposes that they'll toss their supposedly deeply held beliefs if it gets in the way of ambition.
 
2012-08-23 11:15:49 AM  
This just goes to show the failure of the Dems is pretty close to the deliberate failure of the Reps. Just a bunch of liars.
 
2012-08-23 11:21:24 AM  
"Yes, Obama duped the young people of this country by not doing every single thing they want, so now they'll all vote Republican. It's like when I want some bread I will not settle for half a loaf, I will instead have a muffin made of broken glass".

- Stephen Colbert
 
2012-08-23 11:21:32 AM  

robotpirateninja: Here's the thing I don't quite understand about the Gitmo thing...are people complaining because *they want it closed*? Or is this more a, he said he wanted it closed, I don't really have an opinion, but he didn't close it and therefore Derp?


Here's a quick cheat sheet:

When Obama wants to get something done and can't: He's an ineffectual, do-nothing, empty suit who lacks the leadership skills necessary to be president.

When Obama wants to get something done and succeeds: He's a totalitarian, fascist dictator who is shoving things down our throats with an iron fist against the will of the people.
 
2012-08-23 11:22:05 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: HotWingConspiracy: The GOP throwing all the personhood people under the bus after bullshiatting them for 30 years is going to be a disaster.

By "throwing under the bus" do you mean "making them vice president"?

But he's not allowed to talk about or act on it. He even told Akin to quit.

So in addition, it exposes that they'll toss their supposedly deeply held beliefs if it gets in the way of ambition.


"His policy is exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother. I'm comfortable with it because it's a good step in the right direction."
 
2012-08-23 11:23:04 AM  
So because one party is doing only 90% of what I'd prefer, I should vote for the party that is doing 0% of what I'd prefer?
 
2012-08-23 11:23:32 AM  
So basically they're saying "The '08 Democratic platform was okay, but Obama was terrible. The '12 Republican platform is terrible, therefore Romney should be pretty okay as president"?
 
2012-08-23 11:26:08 AM  
Okay, yeah, that sucks. But are there not direct quotes from Republicans outright saying they would rather see America destroyed than a Democrat in office?

Too lazy to Google. But that's some vile shiat.
 
2012-08-23 11:26:16 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: HotWingConspiracy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: HotWingConspiracy: The GOP throwing all the personhood people under the bus after bullshiatting them for 30 years is going to be a disaster.

By "throwing under the bus" do you mean "making them vice president"?

But he's not allowed to talk about or act on it. He even told Akin to quit.

So in addition, it exposes that they'll toss their supposedly deeply held beliefs if it gets in the way of ambition.

"His policy is exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother. I'm comfortable with it because it's a good step in the right direction."


Did Ryan say that? It's a nice spin, but it cannot satisfy the personhood people.
 
2012-08-23 11:34:28 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: HotWingConspiracy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: HotWingConspiracy: The GOP throwing all the personhood people under the bus after bullshiatting them for 30 years is going to be a disaster.

By "throwing under the bus" do you mean "making them vice president"?

But he's not allowed to talk about or act on it. He even told Akin to quit.

So in addition, it exposes that they'll toss their supposedly deeply held beliefs if it gets in the way of ambition.

"His policy is exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother. I'm comfortable with it because it's a good step in the right direction."

Did Ryan say that? It's a nice spin, but it cannot satisfy the personhood people.


The logical extension of the personhood act is that you have to charge a woman and her doctor with first-degree murder for an abortion.
 
2012-08-23 11:35:49 AM  

ghare: HotWingConspiracy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: HotWingConspiracy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: HotWingConspiracy: The GOP throwing all the personhood people under the bus after bullshiatting them for 30 years is going to be a disaster.

By "throwing under the bus" do you mean "making them vice president"?

But he's not allowed to talk about or act on it. He even told Akin to quit.

So in addition, it exposes that they'll toss their supposedly deeply held beliefs if it gets in the way of ambition.

"His policy is exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother. I'm comfortable with it because it's a good step in the right direction."

Did Ryan say that? It's a nice spin, but it cannot satisfy the personhood people.

The logical extension of the personhood act is that you have to charge a woman and her doctor with first-degree murder for an abortion.


That's another thing they aren't supposed to say out loud. Akin has really screwed up the Trojan Horse strategy.
 
2012-08-23 11:40:40 AM  

Cinaed: Cletus C.: Aren't party platforms like those corporate brainstorming sessions where everyone is allowed give their ideas, then the people actually in charge meet later and say "what a bunch of tards?"

So now we know how you feel about the GOP party platform.
You had us worried for a while.


The GOP platform? Jam-packed with tardish goodness.
 
2012-08-23 11:40:50 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Soooo..... what?

Am I supposed to be surprised that the democrats in power don't perfectly match my beliefs? Am I supposed to be shocked to discover that sometimes I disagree with them? Am I being asked to vote instead for the party that is openly hostile to every basic belief I hold because the democrats are wishy washy on a small subset of my beliefs? Are you trying to imply that I think democrats are perfect?

What the fark is your point here, dumbass?


This.
 
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