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(KQED San Francisco)   Why evolution-rejecting-Righties and vaccine-rejecting-Lefties are flip sides of the same authority-mistrusting coin   (science.kqed.org) divider line 296
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2012-08-23 08:53:33 AM  
They both fell asleep in Science class?
 
2012-08-23 08:58:22 AM  
Why would I trust science when I could trust my gut??
 
2012-08-23 08:59:20 AM  
"Anomaly mongering" is my new favorite phrase.
 
2012-08-23 09:04:57 AM  
Vaccine denial is a leftist thing?

News to me.
 
2012-08-23 09:07:52 AM  

SilentStrider: Vaccine denial is a leftist thing?

News to me.


Don't know any vaccine rejecting people but assumed they were fundies/conservatives.

[Citation_needed.jpg]
 
2012-08-23 09:11:58 AM  

SilentStrider: Vaccine denial is a leftist thing?

News to me.


I just figured it was a "stupid person" thing, regardless of political inclination.
 
2012-08-23 09:12:44 AM  

SilentStrider: Vaccine denial is a leftist thing?

News to me.


Same here. I know there's plenty of stupid people on the left, but wholesale rejection of science and biology is really the domain of the right. The left just can't compete in that arena.
 
2012-08-23 09:16:43 AM  

dr_blasto: SilentStrider: Vaccine denial is a leftist thing?

News to me.

Same here. I know there's plenty of stupid people on the left, but wholesale rejection of science and biology is really the domain of the right. The left just can't compete in that arena.


Eh, there are plenty of hippie "medicine is just the Man conning you, chemicals are all evil, use natural products and you can never die!" tools out there too. Morans be morans.
 
2012-08-23 09:20:45 AM  

SilentStrider: Vaccine denial is a leftist thing?

News to me.



It has become a commonly repeatedly claim, but according to the few polls conducted on the subject anti-vaccination sentiment is spread pretty much evenly across the political spectrum. One poll in 2009 asked people if they were aware of Jenny McCarthy's anti-vax views and whether it made them more likely to question question vaccine safety broke down as Liberals (41% not aware, 38 % aware but not more likely, 21 % aware and more likely); Moderates (48 % not aware, 28 % aware but not more likely, 24 % aware and more likely); Conservatives (49 % not aware, 28 % aware but not more likely, 23 % aware and more likely).

A Pew poll from that same year asked whether childhood vaccination should be required or be left up to the parents. 69% of Americans thought they should be required (vs 82% of scientists), while 28% would leave it to parental choice (vs 17% of scientists). Self-identified Republicans and Democrats both were at 71% on the side of should be required with Independents at 67%. 26% of Republicans and 27% of Democrats thought it should be optional with 30% of Independents favoring parental choice.
 
2012-08-23 09:25:36 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Eh, there are plenty of hippie "medicine is just the Man conning you, chemicals are all evil, use natural products and you can never die!" tools out there too. Morans be morans.


The difference is that the left doesn't elect their morans.
 
2012-08-23 09:33:08 AM  

Sybarite: SilentStrider: Vaccine denial is a leftist thing?

News to me.


It has become a commonly repeatedly claim, but according to the few polls conducted on the subject anti-vaccination sentiment is spread pretty much evenly across the political spectrum. One poll in 2009 asked people if they were aware of Jenny McCarthy's anti-vax views and whether it made them more likely to question question vaccine safety broke down as Liberals (41% not aware, 38 % aware but not more likely, 21 % aware and more likely); Moderates (48 % not aware, 28 % aware but not more likely, 24 % aware and more likely); Conservatives (49 % not aware, 28 % aware but not more likely, 23 % aware and more likely).

A Pew poll from that same year asked whether childhood vaccination should be required or be left up to the parents. 69% of Americans thought they should be required (vs 82% of scientists), while 28% would leave it to parental choice (vs 17% of scientists). Self-identified Republicans and Democrats both were at 71% on the side of should be required with Independents at 67%. 26% of Republicans and 27% of Democrats thought it should be optional with 30% of Independents favoring parental choice.


This fits with the people in my circle. They all seem to be conspiracy aficionados as well.
 
2012-08-23 09:57:30 AM  

PreMortem: Don't know any vaccine rejecting people but assumed they were fundies/conservatives.


I personally know one liberal who is anti-vaccine, but in Congress it seems to be the conservatives (like Michelle Bachmann who claimed that vaccines cause kids to be retarded).
 
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2012-08-23 09:57:57 AM  

PreMortem: SilentStrider: Vaccine denial is a leftist thing?

News to me.

Don't know any vaccine rejecting people but assumed they were fundies/conservatives.

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In journalism you have to pretend that both sides are the same or it isn't fair and balanced.
 
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2012-08-23 09:59:50 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: SilentStrider: Vaccine denial is a leftist thing?

News to me.

I just figured it was a "stupid person" thing, regardless of political inclination.


Bill Maher is one of them so it must be leftist. Of course Don Imus was too.
 
2012-08-23 10:02:28 AM  

unyon: God Is My Co-Pirate: Eh, there are plenty of hippie "medicine is just the Man conning you, chemicals are all evil, use natural products and you can never die!" tools out there too. Morans be morans.

The difference is that the left doesn't elect their morans.


Then how do you explain Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) asking NASA if the Mars Pathfinder rover photographed the flag that Neil Armstrong planted?
 
2012-08-23 10:04:52 AM  

dittybopper: unyon: God Is My Co-Pirate: Eh, there are plenty of hippie "medicine is just the Man conning you, chemicals are all evil, use natural products and you can never die!" tools out there too. Morans be morans.

The difference is that the left doesn't elect their morans.

Then how do you explain Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) asking NASA if the Mars Pathfinder rover photographed the flag that Neil Armstrong planted?


Or Hank Johnson, who asked if placing too many troops on Guam would cause the island to capsize.
 
2012-08-23 10:11:12 AM  

sweetmelissa31: PreMortem: Don't know any vaccine rejecting people but assumed they were fundies/conservatives.

I personally know one liberal who is anti-vaccine, but in Congress it seems to be the conservatives (like Michelle Bachmann who claimed that vaccines cause kids to be retarded).


Demographically, while the data is somewhat sparse, it appears that anti-VAXers are split between both sides of the aisle politically, but interestingly the majority of kids who don't get vaccinated on purpose come from above average socioeconomic statuses, and their parents are more highly educated than normal.

Which just goes to show Education != Intelligence.
 
2012-08-23 10:18:42 AM  

dittybopper: unyon: God Is My Co-Pirate: Eh, there are plenty of hippie "medicine is just the Man conning you, chemicals are all evil, use natural products and you can never die!" tools out there too. Morans be morans.

The difference is that the left doesn't elect their morans.

Then how do you explain Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) asking NASA if the Mars Pathfinder rover photographed the flag that Neil Armstrong planted?


Oh god, I did not know about that and now I'm terrified.
 
2012-08-23 10:19:14 AM  
Stupidity occurs in all parts of the ideological continuum.

Sadly, we can't sterilize everyone without a 3-digit IQ, so we'll never see if it would shift the mean a couple of standard deviations to the right.
 
2012-08-23 10:21:43 AM  

Shostie: dittybopper: unyon: God Is My Co-Pirate: Eh, there are plenty of hippie "medicine is just the Man conning you, chemicals are all evil, use natural products and you can never die!" tools out there too. Morans be morans.

The difference is that the left doesn't elect their morans.

Then how do you explain Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) asking NASA if the Mars Pathfinder rover photographed the flag that Neil Armstrong planted?

Or Hank Johnson, who asked if placing too many troops on Guam would cause the island to capsize.


Or Ted Kennedy, who wanted to ban the .30-30 Winchester because it was an armor-piercing cop-killer round and as such not suitable for sporting use.  :

"Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers' armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating.

It is outrageous and unconscionable that such ammunition continues to be sold in the United States of America."

- Senator Edward Kennedy, February 26th, 2004
 
2012-08-23 10:24:01 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: dr_blasto: SilentStrider: Vaccine denial is a leftist thing?

News to me.

Same here. I know there's plenty of stupid people on the left, but wholesale rejection of science and biology is really the domain of the right. The left just can't compete in that arena.

Eh, there are plenty of hippie "medicine is just the Man conning you, chemicals are all evil, use natural products and you can never die!" tools out there too. Morans be morans.


Was I supposed to read that quote in Tommy Chong's voice? Damn you, Pixar!
 
2012-08-23 10:26:59 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: dittybopper: unyon: God Is My Co-Pirate: Eh, there are plenty of hippie "medicine is just the Man conning you, chemicals are all evil, use natural products and you can never die!" tools out there too. Morans be morans.

The difference is that the left doesn't elect their morans.

Then how do you explain Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) asking NASA if the Mars Pathfinder rover photographed the flag that Neil Armstrong planted?

Oh god, I did not know about that and now I'm terrified.


Even better: Her chief-of-staff wrote a letter to the editor suggesting that pointing out her mistake was racist, because she's black.

She's still stupid, btw: In 2010 she said this:
"Today, we have two Vietnams, side by side, North and South, exchanging and working. We may not agree with all that North Vietnam is doing, but they are living in peace. I would look for a better human rights record for North Vietnam, but they are living side by side."

She said that 35 years after the fall of Saigon.
 
2012-08-23 10:37:05 AM  
Extremism, regardless of the particular spectrum (social, political, economic, etc.), attracts and cultivates consipiratorial thinking.
 
2012-08-23 10:37:05 AM  
Can't we all agree that anti-vaxxers and creationists should not be involved whatsoever in setting policy?
 
2012-08-23 10:42:22 AM  
But once we get that consensus, once scientists have arm wrestled over this new explanation and we've tested it up one side and down another and it goes into that core, then we stop arguing about it.

Science welcomes debate. People who try to shut down debate and demand that everyone accept the "consensus" are the ones who are anti-science.
 
2012-08-23 10:50:40 AM  

Sybarite: It has become a commonly repeatedly claim, but according to the few polls conducted on the subject anti-vaccination sentiment is spread pretty much evenly across the political spectrum. One poll in 2009 asked people if they were aware of Jenny McCarthy's anti-vax views and whether it made them more likely to question question vaccine safety broke down as Liberals (41% not aware, 38 % aware but not more likely, 21 % aware and more likely); Moderates (48 % not aware, 28 % aware but not more likely, 24 % aware and more likely); Conservatives (49 % not aware, 28 % aware but not more likely, 23 % aware and more likely).


So on one hand we have one ignorant belief that is wholly own by the right, and on the other we have an ignorant belief shared equally across parties, but we can point to some lefties that believe it, so both sides are bad really.
 
2012-08-23 10:53:11 AM  
Idiots are idiots, regardless of political affiliation.
 
2012-08-23 10:55:24 AM  

SkinnyHead: Science welcomes debate. People who try to shut down debate and demand that everyone accept the "consensus" are the ones who are anti-science.


Difficulty, the debate has to fit within the framework of the scientific method.

The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." - Isaac Asimov
 
2012-08-23 10:59:15 AM  

SkinnyHead: Science welcomes debate. People who try to shut down debate and demand that everyone accept the "consensus" are the ones who are anti-science.


j.wigflip.com
 
2012-08-23 11:18:06 AM  

SilentStrider: Vaccine denial is a leftist thing?

News to me.


The anti vaxxers do include new age homeopathic medicine-taking hippie dooshbags. I think those count as leftists.

Bill Maher would probably be a good example of this. He dedicates a significant portion of his career to mock religious people for being irrational and yet he often denies germ theory. (IDK. where he stands on vaccines... but the medical views he does express are about as idiotic as antivaxxer stuff).
 
2012-08-23 11:25:08 AM  
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Torg's Unified Ice Cream Theory
 
2012-08-23 11:26:49 AM  
Hey, this is Fark. All negative things that people do are right wing only attributes.
 
2012-08-23 11:27:26 AM  
Why evolution-rejecting-Righties and vaccine-rejecting-Lefties are flip sides of the same authority-mistrusting coin

Today, on False Equivalences Today!
 
2012-08-23 11:29:57 AM  
I reject vaccines for evolution-rejecting righties.
 
2012-08-23 11:30:24 AM  

SkinnyHead: But once we get that consensus, once scientists have arm wrestled over this new explanation and we've tested it up one side and down another and it goes into that core, then we stop arguing about it.

Science welcomes debate. People who try to shut down debate and demand that everyone accept the "consensus" are the ones who are anti-science.


I agree. Let's debate if the Earth is round, or if the Sun is the center of the Solar System.
 
2012-08-23 11:30:37 AM  
mediamatters.org

/Glenn Beck is a spokesman for Marxism and he is puppeteered by Soros.
 
2012-08-23 11:30:52 AM  
I thought righties rejected vaccines. When did that change?
 
2012-08-23 11:30:53 AM  

impaler: The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." - Isaac Asimov


"It is the vote of everyone concerned that decides fundamental issues such as the teaching methods used, or the truth of basic beliefs such as the theory of evolution, or the quantum theory, and not the authority of big-shots hiding behind a non-existing methodology." ~ Paul Feyerabend
 
2012-08-23 11:31:53 AM  

PreMortem: SilentStrider: Vaccine denial is a leftist thing?

News to me.

Don't know any vaccine rejecting people but assumed they were fundies/conservatives.

[Citation_needed.jpg]


It's a little bit of both, but the recent outbreaks of measles and whooping cough have been in cities that have large liberal populations like San Francisco and Boulder.
 
2012-08-23 11:31:59 AM  

kbronsito: Bill Maher


I think alot of it is fueled by his healthy food thing - less chemicals and additives, etc. - and a general distrust of Big [Anything].

It's quite natural and easy to conclude that a group or industry that profits massively from something may not be completely honest and working in your best interest.

The problem with anti-vaxers is their thought doesn't go beyond that point to consider the real sciences of biology, immunology, etc. etc.
 
2012-08-23 11:32:14 AM  

PreMortem: SilentStrider: Vaccine denial is a leftist thing?

News to me.

Don't know any vaccine rejecting people but assumed they were fundies/conservatives.

[Citation_needed.jpg]



You think fundies/conservatives would follow Jenny McCarthy, Playboy centerfold?
 
2012-08-23 11:33:03 AM  
Only major anti-vaxxer I know is a friend from HS who's a chiropractor now. Make of that what you will.
 
2012-08-23 11:33:09 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: I agree. Let's debate if the Earth is round, or if the Sun is the center of the Solar System.


You won't get any argument from him that the earth is flat and the center of the universe.
 
2012-08-23 11:33:24 AM  
I call BS, without RTFA. Lefties denouncing vaccines are well informed consumers exercising their right to choose while righties, no matter their stance on evolution, are anti-science troglodytes.
 
2012-08-23 11:33:27 AM  

SilentStrider: Vaccine denial is a leftist thing?

News to me.


Middle class wannabe hippie lefties.

Different reasons between the groups.

The lefties I know that reject vaccines do it because it's "not natural" and "There are too many people anyways" or they read Dr. Sears vaccine book.

The righties I know reject vaccines because it's government intervention, or violating their liberties.

I love the "There are too many people" line coming from men and women that won't get fixed or refuse to use contraception and have 3 or 4 unvaccinated rugrats just sitting there waiting to get infected if exposed.

//Dr. Sears has done more damage to today's children than Dr. Spock...
 
2012-08-23 11:34:39 AM  
Again, the big difference:

The mainstream Left/Liberals reject the crazies that insist on spouting idiocy based on willfully ignorant understandings of the subject at hand. The Right elevates them to national office and gives them a microphone.
 
2012-08-23 11:36:13 AM  
So to sum up, if vaccine rejection is a Stupid People Thing, and Both Sides Are Equally Bad, then religion is also a Stupid People Thing.
 
2012-08-23 11:38:36 AM  

Jackson Herring: [farm3.static.flickr.com image 500x332]

Torg's Unified Ice Cream Theory


How can it be both a potato and an ice cream at the same time??
 
2012-08-23 11:38:49 AM  
I wonder what we'd see if we compared the numbers of evolution deniers to the anti vaxxers?
 
2012-08-23 11:39:06 AM  
If you're argument contains the word "liberal" or "conservative" (or left/right or Dem/Repub), you've automatically lost. This is as clear as Godwin's Law. Keep your crap in the idiot tab.
 
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