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(The State)   Move into dorm. Check. Get new books for classes. Check. Bring 5 handguns for each day of classes. Check. Wait, what?   (thestate.com) divider line 106
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2012-08-23 09:02:35 AM  
Back when was a freshman I wish I could have had a schedule of only going to class once per week.... good job there subby

The kid is a huge dumbass for bringing all those pistols to school with him. I'm sure it was well spelled out in his welcome package that weapons wouldn't be allowed in the dorms. That said, having them (with zero indication of any evil intent) certainly could/should be grounds for being expelled. However felony charges & 5 years in prison seem quite over the top.

Police are investigating how and when Stephens obtained the weapons because it is illegal for anyone younger than 18 to possess firearms, he said.

Mr. Prill needs to learn the laws a bit better. It may be illegal for someone under 21 to buy a pistol (18 for long guns) but it isn't illegal for them to possess them provided that a parent/guardian gave them to him (possess as in own, possession in the dorm is a whole different issue). There'll be some explaining to do/further investigation needed (to be sure that he obtained them legally) but it isn't illegal.

He's still a dumbass though
 
2012-08-23 09:55:13 AM  

Recoil Therapy:
Police are investigating how and when Stephens obtained the weapons because it is illegal for anyone younger than 18 to possess firearms, he said.

Mr. Prill needs to learn the laws a bit better. It may be illegal for someone under 21 to buy a pistol (18 for long guns) but it isn't illegal for them to possess them provided that a parent/guardian gave them to him (possess as in own, possession in the dorm is a whole different issue). There'll be some explaining to do/further investigation needed (to be sure that he obtained them legally) but it isn't illegal.

He's still a dumbass though



I'm looking at the law, and I can't see any exception that would apply to him. The parent or guardian giving him the weapon isn't nearly enough. They either have to be there or have given him written consent to transport the weapon on the way two or from the listed activities.
 
2012-08-23 10:09:16 AM  

Sybarite: I'm looking at the law,


Looking at California law won't do you much good when trying to figure out what's legal in South Carolina.

I'm not a lawyer or nothing.. but...
 
2012-08-23 10:13:04 AM  
In 2008 South Carolina lowered the age requirement to 18 for handgun ownership. Moved it back from 21.

So, yeah, at 17 the kid was illegal to start with.
 
2012-08-23 10:17:06 AM  

Sybarite: I'm looking at the law, and I can't see any exception that would apply to him. The parent or guardian giving him the weapon isn't nearly enough. They either have to be there or have given him written consent to transport the weapon on the way two or from the listed activities.


You're looking at CA law though which is a LOT more restrictive than you'll find in most all of the other states in the nation. The usual 'I'm not a lawyer/Holiday Inn' disclaimer applies but I don't believe there is a federal law about ownership age limits, just for the purchase of the firearms themselves. Having kids in that age range myself (17-22), I know several people who've given their 19 year old a pistol to keep in their off campus apartment for protection. Around here at least it is completely legal. It really does matter where you're located as to what the (local) laws are. My complaint was more that Mr. Prill seemed to be making up a "law" to fit the reality that he wanted to see rather than what it actually is (along with the reporter not knowing enough to question/call him on it).

/Btw, the USC in the article is South Carolina not Southern Calif.
 
2012-08-23 10:23:19 AM  
He has been suspended by the university, banned from campus and ordered to avoid contact with any students, faculty or staff

The idiots! They didn't order him not to shoot anyone. He's still free to do that until they get an order in place!
 
2012-08-23 10:24:04 AM  
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Not Happy.... not happy at all
 
2012-08-23 10:24:15 AM  
Nice gun security jackhole, stashed in a bag in the closet. In a room where you and your buddies are likely getting wasted multiple times. That clearly had no chance of ever ending badly. You deserve whatever the police hit you with.

/I left my guns at home when I went to college
//even after I moved out of the dorms and had my own place
/when you're in college and have a lot of friends and friends of friends over, better to leave the firearms somewhere else
 
2012-08-23 10:24:33 AM  

Recoil Therapy: He's still a dumbass though


Well yes, he owned a Hi-Point.
 
2012-08-23 10:26:24 AM  
That's not crazy when you consider that Varmint Shootin' is an elective at South Carolina.
 
2012-08-23 10:26:55 AM  
I know, subby. New books? Everyone knows buying books new is for suckers.
 
2012-08-23 10:28:37 AM  
Perhaps he should have kept them in a large wooden horse.

Wrong kind of Trojan protective.
 
2012-08-23 10:28:38 AM  
This was the final section of the entrance exam. Clearly not college material.

Also, what the fark is up with his haircut?

media.thestate.com
 
b3x
2012-08-23 10:29:16 AM  
I am betting that if they look on his parents permits that those guns might be listed there .. but hell i dunno anything about SC gun laws, which makes me an expert.
 
2012-08-23 10:30:09 AM  

jbuist: In 2008 South Carolina lowered the age requirement to 18 for handgun ownership. Moved it back from 21.

So, yeah, at 17 the kid was illegal to start with.


Reading TFA it looks like it was just lowering the purchase age from 21 to 18 (which is surprising as I thought 21 was a federal level law but as I'm so far older than 21 that I can't even remember being that age any longer I haven't paid close attention to that law for years...). The quotes are about purchasing a handgun & possessing it then, nothing about just possession.

Of course the vast, vast majority of 17 year olds (possessing handguns or not) are more than likely still living at home so who 'owns' the pistol that is stored in the safe with all of dad's other firearms really is moot in that case. This guy is one of the few where a little research is needed to see if it's legal for him to possess a handgun in his residence (assuming that he's off campus & not in the dorms where school rules would apply).

/still sticking to my 'he's a dumbass' decision regardless
 
2012-08-23 10:32:15 AM  
You're doing it wrong, kids. LessNo guns, more beer and bong hits. Don't forget the condoms, college is probably the last time in your life that you will have unfettered access to lots of horny people who don't have "issues". If you feel you must own a piece then don't live on campus.
 
2012-08-23 10:34:45 AM  
meh. fine throw him out, but why the prosecution?
 
2012-08-23 10:35:16 AM  
Condoms.
This is what you need to bring to college.
Even if you don't get a chance to use them, You can sell them at a huge markup to people who do.
 
2012-08-23 10:37:02 AM  

A Fark Handle: meh. fine throw him out, but why the prosecution?


SC's state statute that makes all state schools a gun free zone come to mind.
 
2012-08-23 10:37:02 AM  
I prefer my college neighbor from when I was a freshman. He had something like 50+ swords confiscated and then went out and got more.

\course, as he and the RA played with throwing stars in the RA's room (leaving giant holes in the walls), don't think it really mattered
 
2012-08-23 10:37:11 AM  

b3x: I am betting that if they look on his parents permits that those guns might be listed there .. but hell i dunno anything about SC gun laws, which makes me an expert.


There is no gun registry in SC, there isn't one in most states with what I would consider decent firearms policies. That being said there is a law on the books in SC prevent anyone under 18 from owning a handgun or possessing one except under supervision of the lawful owner. That means you can take your kid to the range and have them shoot your pistol but you can't give it to them as a gift as you could in most states.

The kid in the article is 17, so he's most likely boned.

Don't get me wrong, I think the kid was a dumbass but I hate to see crimes like this that lack any requirement for the prosecutor to prove ill intent but will likely end up with him surrendering his 2nd amendment rights for the rest of his life, felony=no guns for you. Too much like pre-crime, being convicted of a felony for merely possessing firearms absent any plausible intent to commit a crime is like getting convicted for DUI for having an unopened container of alcohol in your trunk.
 
2012-08-23 10:38:01 AM  

freewill: This was the final section of the entrance exam. Clearly not college material.

Also, what the fark is up with his haircut?


Kids are really ugly and stupid nowadays.
 
2012-08-23 10:39:26 AM  
Public university, required to live on campus for a semester or two, but dont allow you to have guns? Yeah the dumbass (although 17yo freshman, maybe not) broke the rules, but are the rules constitutional?
 
2012-08-23 10:39:39 AM  
"We have no reason to believe he was planning an attack, and we have not heard that he was threatening anyone," Prill said.

Still, if I were Scott Prill, I would be personally offended that he had not done a better job of hiding the stuff. It's like he wasn't even trying.
 
2012-08-23 10:42:23 AM  
I can't believe college kids these days. Is it common to only have classes 5 days a week? When did this start? I suppose this means no more Organic Chemistry classes at 8AM on Saturday. What about those Sunday evening classes? I imagine they also expect more than just Thursday off for Thanksgiving. Slackers.

He's also a dumbass for bringing 5 handguns to school. I also had to wonder if he actually had the brass knuckles? What were the other undisclosed items? A blackjack? A broadsword? What in the world did he imagine college would be like?

In addition to the above-named class schedule, we had to check firearms in with the head resident of the dorm. Being WI, there were enough students who weren't willing to give up on duck-, geese-, or deer season.
 
2012-08-23 10:43:15 AM  

fragMasterFlash: You're doing it wrong, kids. LessNo guns, more beer and bong hits. Don't forget the condoms, college is probably the last time in your life that you will have unfettered access to lots of horny people who don't have "issues".


Eh, counterpoint: save your beer money and take a side job instead to start building a resume and minimize the damage from any student loans, get a degree in something that pays well, and you'll be surprised at how horny women actually are once they realize that you have a huge pile of money at the time when you're both old enough to know how to spend it.

/ Plus, your liver will still work, and you can burn it out on the good stuff.
 
2012-08-23 10:43:59 AM  

jbuist: Sybarite: I'm looking at the law,

Looking at California law won't do you much good when trying to figure out what's legal in South Carolina.

I'm not a lawyer or nothing.. but...



Oh, I just saw USC.
 
2012-08-23 10:44:01 AM  

b3x: I am betting that if they look on his parents permits that those guns might be listed there .. but hell i dunno anything about SC gun laws, which makes me an expert.


Permits? Perhaps in NY the state knows about & keeps a list of all your firearms. In most of the rest of the US though, there are no permits needed just to own them (concealed carry is different, but not for just keeping them at home).

****
I did a little Googling & I was wrong about SC law regarding possession by those under 18

SECTION 16-23-30. Sale or delivery of handgun to and possession by certain persons unlawful; stolen handguns.

(A) It is unlawful for a person to knowingly sell, offer to sell, deliver, lease, rent, barter, exchange, or transport for sale into this State any handgun to:

...(3) a person under the age of eighteen, but this shall not apply to the issue of handguns to members of the Armed Forces of the United States, active or reserve, National Guard, State Militia, or R. O. T. C., when on duty or training or the temporary loan of handguns for instructions under the immediate supervision of a parent or adult instructor; or...

So my Holiday Inn law degree seems to say that he has to be 18 to possess a handgun somewhere other than in his parent's house (and even then while under 18 & living at home the handgun isn't technically 'his' no matter what the family agrees to)
 
2012-08-23 10:44:39 AM  
"We have no reason to believe he was planning an attack, and we have not heard that he was threatening anyone," Prill said.


...but that doesn't stop us from over-reacting and probably labeling this guy a felon for the rest of his life. The kid's an idiot but being an idiot shouldn't be a crime.
 
2012-08-23 10:46:12 AM  
So, too young to own a gun, but not too young to be tried as an adult for owning a gun?

This seems a bit extreme.
 
2012-08-23 10:46:28 AM  
I'm betting dad is pissed. Not sure if this kid brought the guns to compensate for a tiny penis or because he's a would-be psychopathic killer, hoping to go down n the history books.
 
2012-08-23 10:46:53 AM  
The only thing that makes sense about TFA is that the kid is from Walterboro. Walterboro is a nowheresville, "historic" town in Colleton County that just happens to be rife with murders. A body has to protect himself around that place lately.

chairborne: Don't get me wrong, I think the kid was a dumbass but I hate to see crimes like this that lack any requirement for the prosecutor to prove ill intent but will likely end up with him surrendering his 2nd amendment rights for the rest of his life, felony=no guns for you.


It is made quite clear that you cannot bring firearms on campus; furthermore he had brass knuckles. One can argue that he was concerned about self defense while wanting to practice at the range and so had a Glock 9mm as well as the .22 pistol, but brass knuckles are for handing out beat-downs. They're not really of use in a defensive situation... he was expecting some brawling at the least. His weapons security was completely negligent, and that speaks very poorly of his parents' respect for firearms as well.

But that lifetime stamp of "can never possess a firearm again" is a steep price for someone that apparently had neither doled out nor specifically planned to dole out any violence.
 
2012-08-23 10:49:39 AM  

stiletto_the_wise: "We have no reason to believe he was planning an attack, and we have not heard that he was threatening anyone," Prill said.

...but that doesn't stop us from over-reacting and probably labeling this guy a felon for the rest of his life. The kid's an idiot but being an idiot shouldn't be a crime.


If this was a valid defense, everyone would use it.
 
2012-08-23 10:50:23 AM  

Cyno01: Public university, required to live on campus for a semester or two, but dont allow you to have guns? Yeah the dumbass (although 17yo freshman, maybe not) broke the rules, but are the rules constitutional?


He was in violation of age-specific legislation to start... constitutionally sound.

Laws allowing property owners to bar carry and/or storage in public access spaces stand in many places in the country, though I'm open to someone citing an instance in which those have been challenged in court or even struck down.
 
2012-08-23 10:50:53 AM  

Cyno01: Public university, required to live on campus for a semester or two, but dont allow you to have guns? Yeah the dumbass (although 17yo freshman, maybe not) broke the rules, but are the rules constitutional?


You are only "required" to live on Campus if you choose to go to that school.
 
2012-08-23 10:53:01 AM  
Meanwhile, Colorado Supreme Court ruled that guns must be allowed on campus.

Glad I just finished teaching there.
 
2012-08-23 10:54:51 AM  

factoryconnection: He was in violation of age-specific legislation to start... constitutionally sound.

Laws allowing property owners to bar carry and/or storage in public access spaces stand in many places in the country, though I'm open to someone citing an instance in which those have been challenged in court or even struck down.



I'm hoping he sues, claiming militia membership under the militia act, and gets them all back, as well as USC's policy overturned.

/Just so I can read the bed-wetting comments about inevitable bloodshed
 
2012-08-23 10:55:43 AM  
Guns? Gotcha, but who brings brass knuckles to school? I didn't think you could even find those outside of a gangster movie.
 
2012-08-23 10:57:37 AM  

factoryconnection: He was in violation of age-specific legislation to start... constitutionally sound.

Laws allowing property owners to bar carry and/or storage in public access spaces stand in many places in the country, though I'm open to someone citing an instance in which those have been challenged in court or even struck down.


Hmm. I know theres laws on the books in several states that say landlords cant ban their tenants from having legal firearms.
 
2012-08-23 10:59:17 AM  
I hope the kid takes this to court. This shiat's going too far.
 
2012-08-23 11:02:23 AM  

Dafatone: Meanwhile, Colorado Supreme Court ruled that guns must be allowed on campus.

Glad I just finished teaching there.


I'm sure that rule prevented many a murderous rampage from entering your campus. Wouldn't want to break any laws in the execution of a crime...
 
2012-08-23 11:03:02 AM  

wildcardjack: Perhaps he should have kept them in a large wooden horse.

Wrong kind of Trojan protective.


Wrong kind of USC. But it's possible he still wished to protect his fellow 'Cocks.
 
2012-08-23 11:03:35 AM  

factoryconnection: The only thing that makes sense about TFA is that the kid is from Walterboro. Walterboro is a nowheresville, "historic" town in Colleton County that just happens to be rife with murders. A body has to protect himself around that place lately.

chairborne: Don't get me wrong, I think the kid was a dumbass but I hate to see crimes like this that lack any requirement for the prosecutor to prove ill intent but will likely end up with him surrendering his 2nd amendment rights for the rest of his life, felony=no guns for you.

It is made quite clear that you cannot bring firearms on campus; furthermore he had brass knuckles. One can argue that he was concerned about self defense while wanting to practice at the range and so had a Glock 9mm as well as the .22 pistol, but brass knuckles are for handing out beat-downs. They're not really of use in a defensive situation... he was expecting some brawling at the least. His weapons security was completely negligent, and that speaks very poorly of his parents' respect for firearms as well.

But that lifetime stamp of "can never possess a firearm again" is a steep price for someone that apparently had neither doled out nor specifically planned to dole out any violence.


The brass knuckles thing is a red herring, saying "brass knuckles are for handing out beat-downs" is equivalent to saying "guns are designed for murder". Intent plays into it, and laws criminalizing possession of things like brass knuckles or switchblades or nunchucks are just as silly as laws outlawing bayonet lugs or adjustable stocks on rifles, the intent of the possessor is what matters, otherwise defending yourself from a mugger with your keys sticking out of your knuckles (a dumb idea btw) or keeping a baseball bat by your bedroom door would be just as illegal as all those other things.

Really, nunchucks and ninja stars and kubotans and brass knuckles should be legal for anyone anywhere in the states since they seem to easily fall into the definition of "arms". They were only made illegal because they became associated with gangs or criminals, but it's merely an emotional distinction, not a rational one. Switchblades conjured up images of gangsters from movies, and despite the fact that they have legitimate utility as tools being able to be easily opened with one hand they were banned in many states, that seems crazy to me.

Hell I've carried a pocket knife all my life, not because I'd ever want to have to defend myself with a three and a half inch blade but because I chew my fingernails and opening things with your teeth is undignified. In some states I'd be considered a criminal for doing so, is that rational?
 
2012-08-23 11:03:57 AM  

ZipSplat: Dafatone: Meanwhile, Colorado Supreme Court ruled that guns must be allowed on campus.

Glad I just finished teaching there.

I'm sure that rule prevented many a murderous rampage from entering your campus. Wouldn't want to break any laws in the execution of a crime...


It's not that so much as constant email reminders that "Hey students, now you can bring guns to school!!!" are a little unnerving.
 
2012-08-23 11:05:29 AM  
I believe you have the right to bear arms. Whether it's legal or not in a freshman dorm I'll leave up to you scholars. But having lived in a freshman dorm once upon a time I'd just like to say that I would not like a loved one to live in close proximity to a bunch of 18 year old boys away from home for the first time who are simultaneously learning how to handle their liquor whilst in possession of a bunch of handguns.
 
2012-08-23 11:06:59 AM  

ha-ha-guy: Nice gun security jackhole, stashed in a bag in the closet. In a room where you and your buddies are likely getting wasted multiple times. That clearly had no chance of ever ending badly. You deserve whatever the police hit you with.

/I left my guns at home when I went to college
//even after I moved out of the dorms and had my own place
/when you're in college and have a lot of friends and friends of friends over, better to leave the firearms somewhere else


I found a loaded .22 laying on a table in a friend's apartment. I was joking around, playing with it. Assumed OF COURSE that it wasn't loaded when I put it to my head. Almost squeezed the trigger (can I say that? Tree-gro?)

Didn't.

It happened in the Austin Ghetto in 1960 but I only remembered the event last year. Brain's a curious matter.
 
2012-08-23 11:07:12 AM  

Dafatone: It's not that so much as constant email reminders that "Hey students, now you can bring guns to school!!!" are a little unnerving.


Have you ever lived in a family with guns? Or been in a household or neighborhood with a reasonable number of people who had guns?
 
2012-08-23 11:08:12 AM  

JohnBigBootay: I believe you have the right to bear arms. Whether it's legal or not in a freshman dorm I'll leave up to you scholars. But having lived in a freshman dorm once upon a time I'd just like to say that I would not like a loved one to live in close proximity to a bunch of 18 year old boys away from home for the first time who are simultaneously learning how to handle their liquor whilst in possession of a bunch of handguns.


I dont disagree, it was bad enough that all of us had airsoft guns.
 
2012-08-23 11:10:43 AM  

Dafatone: Meanwhile, Colorado Supreme Court ruled that guns must be allowed on campus.

Glad I just finished teaching there.


Because you'd feel safer if they were banned?
 
2012-08-23 11:11:29 AM  

freewill: Eh, counterpoint: save your beer money and take a side job instead to start building a resume and minimize the damage from any student loans, get a degree in something that pays well, and you'll be surprised at how horny women actually are once they realize that you have a huge pile of money at the time when you're both old enough to know how to spend it that she can dive into.


ftfy
 
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