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2012-08-23 09:43:52 AM
Bush did more stupid things than any president since Jimmy Carter.
Unfortunately very little has changed since Bush.
 
2012-08-23 09:58:17 AM
Who isn't hard on Bush?
 
2012-08-23 10:23:04 AM
No. Next stupid question?
 
2012-08-23 10:23:41 AM
NO
 
2012-08-23 10:24:17 AM
In a word, no.


In a few more words, no, and go fark yourself.
 
2012-08-23 10:25:20 AM
No, you farking idiot.
 
2012-08-23 10:25:41 AM
No
 
2012-08-23 10:26:14 AM
Is this another article where being "left" means "being able to tell reality from fantasy?"
 
2012-08-23 10:27:01 AM
In answer to your first question : Yes.
In answer to your second question : NOOOOOOO!!!!1!!
 
2012-08-23 10:28:18 AM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-08-23 10:28:44 AM

magusdevil: In answer to your first question : Yes.
In answer to your second question : NOOOOOOO!!!!1!!


i sort of agree with this, but i think it would be more fair to say "has the middle been to easy on obama and too hard on bush." The *actual* left has been pretty harsh on him, but they don't get a lot of media attention
 
2012-08-23 10:32:09 AM
nuh uh
 
2012-08-23 10:32:23 AM
Nope. Obama, while not perfect, has done a lot of good for a guy with an almost treasonous opposition in congress. Bush was a guy who had prosperity and peace handled to him, and then mismanaged everything to the point of trillions lost, mass unemployment, two wars going no where, torture, and the worst terrorist attack in human history on his watch.

No contest here.
 
2012-08-23 10:32:42 AM
You know what a snappy comeback to any mention of Bush by either Obama or Biden would be? "Your administration has 99 problems, but a Bush ain't one of them".
 
2012-08-23 10:33:57 AM
Yes on 0bama
No on Bush.
 
2012-08-23 10:34:13 AM
The "left"? As in, the dems in congress that are so scared of losing their fat paycheck and easy jobs that they'll go against him in a heartbeat if it benefits their political capital? That left?
 
2012-08-23 10:34:32 AM
Hmmm.....

George Bush started two wars, one of which had no point and involved invading a country that didn't attack us and had no real military power. He paid for neither one and hid them from regular budget calculations (which left Obama to get blamed for their cost when he reinserted them in their proper place). We will be paying for them for decades in the form of substantially increased care for wounded veterans.

There were two recessions during his presidency, the second of which became the second worst economic downturn in U.S. history, cost millions their jobs wiped trillions of dollars of value off of assets and businesses and wiped out countless 401ks leaving untold numbers of people to watch their hopes for a peaceful retirement fall through their hands like water.

He signed into law a prescription drug program that, because it provides for no ability of the government to negotiate prices, cost just as much as Obamacare but provides services for a much smaller slice of the population.

His FEMA director, whose main bullet point on his resume was about raising horses, oversaw one of the worst natural disaster responses in history.

He spent more time on vacation than any other sitting president including a month long vacation before the lead up to the worst terror attack on U.S. soil in history claimed the lives of 3000 people and brought down a U.S. landmark. Meanwhile, people trying to warn him about the attack couldn't get a meeting with anybody above deputy status because his administration refused and, then, when it came time, all took vacations at once.

Barack Obama, meanwhile, has been repeatedly criticized for every single thing he does during every single waking second of the day by the right all the way down to what he eats for lunch.

But, yea. You probably have a point. 

I have plenty of beefs with Obama. I'm just not a complete idiot who says stupid shiat like "Has the left been too easy on Obama and too hard Bush?"
 
2012-08-23 10:35:28 AM
Obama has fielded far more criticism from the left than Bush fielded from the right. We obviously were not too hard on Bush because he was never prosecuted or investigated.
 
2012-08-23 10:36:19 AM

dittybopper: You know what a snappy comeback to any mention of Bush by either Obama or Biden would be? "Your administration has 99 problems, but a Bush ain't one of them".


oh yeah cause obama is black just like that Jay-Q guy right
 
2012-08-23 10:36:41 AM

Antimatter: Nope. Obama, while not perfect, has done a lot of good for a guy with an almost treasonous opposition in congress.


"President didn't get what he wanted, so it's almost treasonous".

That's a feature, not a bug. And yes, that applies to Democratic controlled Congresses opposing Republican presidents.
 
2012-08-23 10:37:00 AM
There is no political 'left' in America. There is only hard militarism and soft militarism. Or better: imperialism with and without food stamps.
 
2012-08-23 10:37:59 AM
On Bush, I have seen nothing but the respect befitting a former president coming from the left.

On Obama, he irritates the true left with his cautiousness sometimes. Thus, the need to demonize Romney and go with whatareyagonnado when it comes to Obama.
 
2012-08-23 10:38:18 AM

odinsposse: Obama has fielded far more criticism from the left than Bush fielded from the right. We obviously were not too hard on Bush because he was never prosecuted or investigated.


Which, ironically, is one of the biggest problems the left has with Obama.
 
2012-08-23 10:42:32 AM

dittybopper: That's a feature, not a bug. And yes, that applies to Democratic controlled Congresses opposing Republican presidents.


Can you honestly say with a straight face that any opposing congress has ever been as obstructionist as this one? I mean, compromise isn't an option at all with this one. If that's what you like, absolutely nothing happening, that's one thing. But this congress is demonstrably more obstructionist than any other probably in history.

I agree with you that the "treasonous" moniker is silly.
 
2012-08-23 10:43:19 AM

Jackson Herring: dittybopper: You know what a snappy comeback to any mention of Bush by either Obama or Biden would be? "Your administration has 99 problems, but a Bush ain't one of them".

oh yeah cause obama is black just like that Jay-Q guy right


Nope.

For example, I've often thought that when Lloyd Bentsen hammered Dan Quayle with "Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy" in the veep debate, Quayle should have answered "You are absolutely right, I am no Jack Kennedy. To my credit, however, I'm no Ted Kennedy either".

Bit of advice: If you go looking for racist intent in everything, you'll find it whether it's actually there or not. Didn't you learn *ANYTHING* from the whole WMD in Iraq thing? One of the big lessons is if you look hard enough for something you'll find evidence of it even if it doesn't exist. Or is this just a cynical ploy to smear someone you disagree with as a racist?
 
2012-08-23 10:44:01 AM
Lets see NO, and for your followup question FARK NO.
 
2012-08-23 10:48:14 AM

UberDave: Who isn't hard on Bush?


i.imgur.com

And NO!
 
2012-08-23 10:51:48 AM

UberDave: Who isn't hard on Bush?


The gays?
 
2012-08-23 10:52:14 AM

dittybopper: the whole WMD in Iraq thing? One of the big lessons is if you look hard enough for something you'll find evidence of it even if it doesn't exist


Yeah, about finding evidence when none exists? That's called lying. Fabrication. Falsehood. It's certainly not reality.
 
2012-08-23 10:55:10 AM

dittybopper: Bit of advice: If you go looking for racist intent in everything, you'll find it whether it's actually there or not. Didn't you learn *ANYTHING* from the whole WMD in Iraq thing? One of the big lessons is if you look hard enough for something you'll find evidence of it even if it doesn't exist. Or is this just a cynical ploy to smear someone you disagree with as a racist?


oh it was just the first of several things wrong with post, and the quickest to type
 
2012-08-23 10:55:37 AM
The Left has been too easy on Obama? Have you ever read the Village Voice? It's a wonder the man accomplished anything, let alone passing healthcare reform, saving the auto industry, digging America out of the Bush Depression, and killing Osama Bin Laden. So he hasn't delivered on the unicorns yet, but when he does, the Left is going to crucify him when they don't fart rainbows.
 
2012-08-23 10:55:45 AM
I mean the glaring issue was that it was aggressively unfunny but I felt that went without saying
 
2012-08-23 10:55:53 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Barack Obama, meanwhile, has been repeatedly criticized for every single thing he does during every single waking second of the day by the right all the way down to what he eats for lunch.


Well, what do you expect? He flaunts his fancy mustard in the faces of good, hard-working Americans.

HANNITY: And finally tonight, as you all know, President Obama is a real man of the people. And yesterday he dropped by a popular Virginia restaurant to grab a burger with his pal Joe. Now, the Gateway Pundit blog pointed out that plain old ketchup, well, it didn't quite cut it for the president. Now take a look at him ordering his burger with a very special condiment.

OBAMA [video clip]: All right. I'm going to have a -- just your basic cheddar cheeseburger, medium well. I just want mustard, no ketchup. If you've got like a spicy mustard or something like that, or a Dijon mustard, something like that.

[...]

HANNITY: All right, I hope you enjoyed that fancy burger, Mr. President.

-----

INGRAHAM: I don't even like the way the man orders a hamburger. You're listening to The Laura Ingraham Show. What kind of man orders a cheeseburger without ketchup but Dijon mustard? See, he was trying to do this whole thing with Biden -- "We're like the regular people, we're like every other guy, you know, with our -- on our lunch break, we're going to go grab a burger, two guys, two bros." No --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And a bottled water, what?

INGRAHAM: Well, we're gonna -- we're two bros hanging out together all right, man? How was your day? I love you, man. I love you. The guy orders a cheeseburger without ketchup? What is that?

-----

STEYN [subbing for Rush Limbaugh]: It was wonderful watching the coverage of the hamburger visit. He's amazing, Obama. This coverage -- he's a regular guy. He eats a hamburger with Dijon mustard -- Dijon mustard. John Kerry couldn't get away with that stuff, but he makes it seem like just like a regular thing to do. Now there's -- I see that some of the left-wing commentators are saying, "Why are people making a fuss about the Dijon mustard?" but that's just an example of the way Obama is able to enlighten us.

[...]

And instead now he's apparently the big Grey Poupon spokesperson, putting it all -- putting it all over his hamburger. Barack Obama -- that was -- what was that? That was yesterday, Barack Obama had a hamburger. I don't know what he may do today to prove -- to pass for human.


http://mediamatters.org/research/2009/05/07/dijon-derangement-syndrom e -conservative-media-a/149946

History's greatest monster.
 
2012-08-23 10:56:23 AM
files.dailycontributor.com

heh-heh heh-heh-heh you said hard on heh-heh-heh and Bush hehhehheheh
 
2012-08-23 10:57:16 AM

Jackson Herring: dittybopper: Bit of advice: If you go looking for racist intent in everything, you'll find it whether it's actually there or not. Didn't you learn *ANYTHING* from the whole WMD in Iraq thing? One of the big lessons is if you look hard enough for something you'll find evidence of it even if it doesn't exist. Or is this just a cynical ploy to smear someone you disagree with as a racist?

oh it was just the first of several things wrong with post, and the quickest to type


Low-hanging fruit, "Welcome to Fark," and so on.
 
2012-08-23 10:57:29 AM

The Homer Tax: Can you honestly say with a straight face that any opposing congress has ever been as obstructionist as this one?


Absolutely. If you look at the whole history of Congress, not just from the last 50 or 60 years, you can plenty of examples.
 
2012-08-23 10:58:38 AM

minoridiot: Bush did more stupid things than any president since Jimmy Carter.
Unfortunately very little has changed since Bush.


Osama's dead. Gaddafi's dead. No terrorists have hit us. We no longer torture. We haven't started any land wars and have ended one. Gays can now openly fight in those wars though. Deportations have increased, but law abiding young immigrants have been spared. Attempts are being made to raise taxes on top earners. New laws regulating the financial sector, however watered down, have been created. A consumer protection agency has been created. Expansive healthcare reform, which was ignored and made worse in the past 10 years has begun. Green energy companies have received large increases in support and many new jobs in this sector have been created.

Tell me what are the stupid Bush-like things that Obama has done?
 
2012-08-23 11:00:11 AM

dittybopper: Absolutely. If you look at the whole history of Congress, not just from the last 50 or 60 years, you can plenty of examples.


Do share with the class, please.
 
2012-08-23 11:04:16 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: I have plenty of beefs with Obama. I'm just not a complete idiot who says stupid shiat like "Has the left been too easy on Obama and too hard Bush?"


Bush's post-9/11 presidency was terrifying. From late '01 until around '04 or `05, Bush ran the country like a farking dictator. He could pass whatever he wanted. Supporting the president meant opposing the terrorists, and if you refused to do the former, you were condemned for not doing the latter. The vast majority of Democrats were completely spineless and refused to mount a true opposition.

I have my issues with Obama, and I do think the left has given him a pass on some things they shouldn't have, but the very notion of anyone, left or right, being too hard on Bush is farking ridiculous. It wasn't until Iraq escalated into a full blown civil war and New Orleans turned into a third world country that most even started questioning Bush's neocon policies.
 
2012-08-23 11:09:22 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Hmmm.....

George Bush started two wars, one of which had no point and involved invading a country that didn't attack us and had no real military power. He paid for neither one and hid them from regular budget calculations (which left Obama to get blamed for their cost when he reinserted them in their proper place). We will be paying for them for decades in the form of substantially increased care for wounded veterans.

There were two recessions during his presidency, the second of which became the second worst economic downturn in U.S. history, cost millions their jobs wiped trillions of dollars of value off of assets and businesses and wiped out countless 401ks leaving untold numbers of people to watch their hopes for a peaceful retirement fall through their hands like water.

He signed into law a prescription drug program that, because it provides for no ability of the government to negotiate prices, cost just as much as Obamacare but provides services for a much smaller slice of the population.

His FEMA director, whose main bullet point on his resume was about raising horses, oversaw one of the worst natural disaster responses in history.

He spent more time on vacation than any other sitting president including a month long vacation before the lead up to the worst terror attack on U.S. soil in history claimed the lives of 3000 people and brought down a U.S. landmark. Meanwhile, people trying to warn him about the attack couldn't get a meeting with anybody above deputy status because his administration refused and, then, when it came time, all took vacations at once.

Barack Obama, meanwhile, has been repeatedly criticized for every single thing he does during every single waking second of the day by the right all the way down to what he eats for lunch.

But, yea. You probably have a point. 

I have plenty of beefs with Obama. I'm just not a complete idiot who says stupid shiat like "Has the left been too easy on Obama and too hard Bush?"


We are still torturing people at Guantanamo Bay.

No trials after 10 years.

/Even Stalin had trials.

Don't get me started on drone strikes to kill American citizens.

/Even Stalin had trials before executions.
 
2012-08-23 11:15:01 AM

rufus-t-firefly: INGRAHAM: I don't even like the way the man orders a hamburger. You're listening to The Laura Ingraham Show. What kind of man orders a cheeseburger without ketchup but Dijon mustard?


I do, you dumbass.

(not you, r-t-f, these twits)
 
2012-08-23 11:16:24 AM

Rich Cream: dittybopper: the whole WMD in Iraq thing? One of the big lessons is if you look hard enough for something you'll find evidence of it even if it doesn't exist

Yeah, about finding evidence when none exists? That's called lying. Fabrication. Falsehood. It's certainly not reality.


You're viewing it through a political lens. Take them off for a second.

OK, so let's say you think your neighboring country is trying to corner the market on manufacturing marshmallows, which would be very bad for your domestic Peep industry. So you take a look at what they are doing. You see increased shipments of sugar. Increased orders for plastic bags. There are increased orders for food extrusion machines. You conclude that yes, they are looking at significantly increasing their marshmallow output, which is detrimental to your country, so you decide to invade.

When you get there, and you look, you see that the extra sugar was purchased to make cheaper alcohol and for a new flavor of hard candy, the plastic bag increases were related to increased population, and the extrusion machines were purchased to replace worn-out pasta machines that had reached their end-of-life.

You didn't lie, you just connected dots that weren't actually related, and you (quite probably) ignored evidence that didn't fit your preconceived notion of what is going on. You made the common mistake of seeing a pattern where none existed. This is very easy to do, as humans are predisposed to see patterns. The technical term for this phenomenon is "pareidolia". It's something you most always be on guard against, and it is embodied in the old saw that one should never attribute to malice that which can be sufficiently explained by stupidity.
 
2012-08-23 11:18:56 AM

enry: rufus-t-firefly: INGRAHAM: I don't even like the way the man orders a hamburger. You're listening to The Laura Ingraham Show. What kind of man orders a cheeseburger without ketchup but Dijon mustard?

I do, you dumbass.

(not you, r-t-f, these twits)


mustard AND ketchup is the way to go, commie
 
2012-08-23 11:21:31 AM

skullkrusher: enry: rufus-t-firefly: INGRAHAM: I don't even like the way the man orders a hamburger. You're listening to The Laura Ingraham Show. What kind of man orders a cheeseburger without ketchup but Dijon mustard?

I do, you dumbass.

(not you, r-t-f, these twits)

mustard AND ketchup is the way to go, commie


You spelled "plain" wrong. Why do people want their cheeseburgers not to taste like meat and cheese? I've never understood that.
 
2012-08-23 11:25:04 AM

imontheinternet: skullkrusher: enry: rufus-t-firefly: INGRAHAM: I don't even like the way the man orders a hamburger. You're listening to The Laura Ingraham Show. What kind of man orders a cheeseburger without ketchup but Dijon mustard?

I do, you dumbass.

(not you, r-t-f, these twits)

mustard AND ketchup is the way to go, commie

You spelled "plain" wrong. Why do people want their cheeseburgers not to taste like meat and cheese? I've never understood that.


spice is the spice of life
 
2012-08-23 11:34:19 AM
part 1: no. the left has been very critical of obama, especially on the size of the stimulus, his constant caving to republican demands and other security issues.
part 2: no. george w. bush will likely go down as the worst president in american history. 9/11, iraq, katrina, and the crash of '08 all happened on his watch. there was zero net job growth during his two terms and the debt and deficit exploded. it is virtually impossible to be too hard on him.

next question.
 
2012-08-23 11:40:58 AM
I think the left should be a bit more concerned about Obama's drone policies and other continued Bush programs.

Defining a terrorist as any male citizen above the age of 16 is... well, it's awful. Nobody's asking questions. There's some other things, but, yes. Some really hard questions need to be asked of Obama.

No, the left has not been too hard on Bush. Bush was, to put it plainly, an irresponsible president.
 
2012-08-23 11:42:21 AM

skullkrusher: imontheinternet: skullkrusher: enry: rufus-t-firefly: INGRAHAM: I don't even like the way the man orders a hamburger. You're listening to The Laura Ingraham Show. What kind of man orders a cheeseburger without ketchup but Dijon mustard?

I do, you dumbass.

(not you, r-t-f, these twits)

mustard AND ketchup is the way to go, commie

You spelled "plain" wrong. Why do people want their cheeseburgers not to taste like meat and cheese? I've never understood that.

spice is the spice of life


ketchup is not a spice
 
2012-08-23 11:44:05 AM

mcreadyblue: We are still torturing people at Guantanamo Bay.

No trials after 10 years.

/Even Stalin had trials.

Don't get me started on drone strikes to kill American citizens.

/Even Stalin had trials before executions.


And that irritates the shiat out of me and I think he should be louder about it, but the reality is that Obama has been stonewalled on that issue by the very people so many of these idiots are implying as an alternative so he's put it on the back-burner.

I'm not going to spend all my time screeching about how "my guy" is failing me on two or three issues when the other "team" is actively attacking me on hundreds more.
 
2012-08-23 11:46:49 AM
Too easy on Obama? Maybe.

Too hard on Bush? Not possible.
 
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