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2012-08-23 09:54:52 AM

deadcrickets: DYK that 40% of Americans don't know Romney is a Mormon? DYK that he has ZERO plans to utter the word Mormon at the RNC and will also have a Mormon, not a Christian, do the opening rites?


Damn, and I was really hoping for some Stravinsky.
 
2012-08-23 09:59:39 AM
Mitt Romney did NOT rape and murder a girl in 1990. I think everyone should go around repeating that Mitt Romney did not rape and murder a girl in 1990. Mitt Romney raping a murdering a girl in 1990? That's insane. It's absurd to think that Mitt Romney raped and murdered a girl in 1990, because if anyone had any evidence whatsoever that Mitt Romney raped and murdered a girl in 1990, they should go to the police immediately
 
2012-08-23 10:02:33 AM

bdub77: This is your standard political attack.

1. Create one-time ad that implies your opponent is indirectly responsible for someone's death.
2. Generate sensational interest among the blogs on both sides ("he's a murderer!", "Mitt Romney a murderer? Libtards lie!")
3. Have attack dogs refute you were calling him a murderer, just saying you are trying to draw parallels with the person.
4. Personally back off the claim while making another little dig at your opponent.

Congratulations. You now have taken the moral high ground.


does that mean I should vote Republican?
 
2012-08-23 10:08:10 AM

ModernPrimitive01: bdub77: This is your standard political attack.

1. Create one-time ad that implies your opponent is indirectly responsible for someone's death.
2. Generate sensational interest among the blogs on both sides ("he's a murderer!", "Mitt Romney a murderer? Libtards lie!")
3. Have attack dogs refute you were calling him a murderer, just saying you are trying to draw parallels with the person.
4. Personally back off the claim while making another little dig at your opponent.

Congratulations. You now have taken the moral high ground.

does that mean I should vote Republican?


Well...both sides ARE bad.
 
2012-08-23 10:09:19 AM
At least he did the half-heart "I don't think that" like Hillary's "As far as I know Barack is not a Muslim" line.

Despite the evidence, he is still repeating the lie that no one called Romney a felon.
 
2012-08-23 10:13:46 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Despite the evidence, he is still repeating the lie that no one called Romney a felon.


Who in his administration called Romney a felon?
 
2012-08-23 10:15:51 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: At least he did the half-heart "I don't think that" like Hillary's "As far as I know Barack is not a Muslim" line.

Despite the evidence, he is still repeating the lie that no one called Romney a felon.


And right on time, we have the "offering options is a direct accusation" meme that I suggested would happen less than twenty minutes ago. I assume you agree that people who are "just asking questions" about whether Obama hates capitalism are directly accusing him of that as well?
 
2012-08-23 10:24:58 AM
Heh... So a Mormon and a Catholic walk in a GOP presidential convention....

I know one Mormon living in Southlake that raped and killed a girl in 1990.

Did you hear about the time Mitt Romney built a company from scratch and made innovative products that make life better for everyone? Me neither.

I wonder what Paul Ryan was like back when he was working in the public sector.
 
2012-08-23 10:25:06 AM
The GOP keeps accusing Obama of being unfair, but given the walking punchline that is Mitt Romney, I'd say he has been surprisingly restrained. Obama should take the gloves off and truly start flinging some mud, if they're going to accuse him of it anyway...
 
2012-08-23 10:29:58 AM

bdub77: This is your standard political attack.

1. Create one-time ad that implies your opponent is indirectly responsible for someone's death.
2. Generate sensational interest among the blogs on both sides ("he's a murderer!", "Mitt Romney a murderer? Libtards lie!")
3. Have attack dogs refute you were calling him a murderer, just saying you are trying to draw parallels with the person.
4. Personally back off the claim while making another little dig at your opponent.

Congratulations. You now have taken the moral high ground.


The ad was made by a SuperPAC, and candidates cannot control their SuperPACs.
 
2012-08-23 10:33:10 AM

bdub77: This is your standard political attack.

1. Create one-time ad that implies your opponent is indirectly responsible for someone's death.
2. Generate sensational interest among the blogs on both sides ("he's a murderer!", "Mitt Romney a murderer? Libtards lie!")
3. Have attack dogs refute you were calling him a murderer, just saying you are trying to draw parallels with the person.
4. Personally back off the claim while making another little dig at your opponent.

Congratulations. You now have taken the moral high ground.


Did Obama create this ad?
 
2012-08-23 10:35:45 AM

LoneWolf343: The ad was made by a SuperPAC, and candidates cannot control their SuperPACs.


Biological Ali: Did Obama create this ad?


You miss the point. He didn't create it, but he is playing it properly. This is an election, you do actually want your guy to win, so it's ok if he actually plays his hand well.
 
2012-08-23 10:35:45 AM

bgddy24601: "After spending weeks refusing to denounce his super PAC's scurrilous ad against Mitt Romney, President Obama once again failed to lead," said Romney campaign spokesman Ryan Williams. 'President Obama's failure to stand up to dishonest rhetoric and attacks demonstrates yet again he's diminished the office that he holds and his record is nothing more than business as usual in Washington," Williams said.' "

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So... he's not doing anything different... but that's diminishing the office? I don't get it.
 
2012-08-23 10:45:11 AM

burndtdan: You miss the point. He didn't create it, but he is playing it properly. This is an election, you do actually want your guy to win, so it's ok if he actually plays his hand well.


Sure, that's all well and good, but when an argument involves giving Obama personal credit for the ad being run - whether it's framed as a positive or, as it generally tends to be, a negative - I'd say the logic is slightly faulty.
 
2012-08-23 10:52:37 AM

Biological Ali: bdub77: This is your standard political attack.

1. Create one-time ad that implies your opponent is indirectly responsible for someone's death.
2. Generate sensational interest among the blogs on both sides ("he's a murderer!", "Mitt Romney a murderer? Libtards lie!")
3. Have attack dogs refute you were calling him a murderer, just saying you are trying to draw parallels with the person.
4. Personally back off the claim while making another little dig at your opponent.

Congratulations. You now have taken the moral high ground.

Did Obama create this ad?


Even better. You don't even have to take responsibility for it.

"Guys I have absolutely no control over the attack dogs at my disposal. They say whatever the f*ck they want. I just tell people to donate to it if they want. Look, it's in the rules."
 
2012-08-23 10:57:21 AM

bdub77: Biological Ali: bdub77: This is your standard political attack.

1. Create one-time ad that implies your opponent is indirectly responsible for someone's death.
2. Generate sensational interest among the blogs on both sides ("he's a murderer!", "Mitt Romney a murderer? Libtards lie!")
3. Have attack dogs refute you were calling him a murderer, just saying you are trying to draw parallels with the person.
4. Personally back off the claim while making another little dig at your opponent.

Congratulations. You now have taken the moral high ground.

Did Obama create this ad?

Even better. You don't even have to take responsibility for it.

"Guys I have absolutely no control over the attack dogs at my disposal. They say whatever the f*ck they want. I just tell people to donate to it if they want. Look, it's in the rules."



*taps shoulder*

Ummmmm, how did Super PACS come to be?
 
2012-08-23 10:57:39 AM

burndtdan: LoneWolf343: The ad was made by a SuperPAC, and candidates cannot control their SuperPACs.

Biological Ali: Did Obama create this ad?

You miss the point. He didn't create it, but he is playing it properly. This is an election, you do actually want your guy to win, so it's ok if he actually plays his hand well.


Well, I admit it is a good opportunity, but unless you have more evidence of collusion, you can't say it was planned.
 
2012-08-23 11:00:16 AM

bdub77: Even better. You don't even have to take responsibility for it.

"Guys I have absolutely no control over the attack dogs at my disposal. They say whatever the f*ck they want. I just tell people to donate to it if they want. Look, it's in the rules."


Soooo.... standard conservative outrage. "HOW DARE YOU PLAY BY THE RULES I CREATED!?"
 
2012-08-23 11:01:39 AM

bdub77: Even better. You don't even have to take responsibility for it.

"Guys I have absolutely no control over the attack dogs at my disposal. They say whatever the f*ck they want. I just tell people to donate to it if they want. Look, it's in the rules."


Is this supposed to be satire?
 
2012-08-23 11:03:21 AM
I think Fark is being a little liberal with the "Hero" tag...
 
2012-08-23 11:05:51 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: bdub77: Even better. You don't even have to take responsibility for it.

"Guys I have absolutely no control over the attack dogs at my disposal. They say whatever the f*ck they want. I just tell people to donate to it if they want. Look, it's in the rules."

Soooo.... standard conservative outrage. "HOW DARE YOU PLAY BY THE RULES I CREATED!?"


Worse yet look at the number of shills condemning Obama, some of them using lies to do so, and do not require the standards they set for Obama to be done my Mitt. At some point the party of "personal responsibility" will actually hold republicans responsible for their actions and they will have to get rid of 95% of their politicians and pundits.
 
2012-08-23 11:09:11 AM

Shamwow: Vegan Meat Popsicle: bdub77: Even better. You don't even have to take responsibility for it.

"Guys I have absolutely no control over the attack dogs at my disposal. They say whatever the f*ck they want. I just tell people to donate to it if they want. Look, it's in the rules."

Soooo.... standard conservative outrage. "HOW DARE YOU PLAY BY THE RULES I CREATED!?"

Worse yet look at the number of shills condemning Obama, some of them using lies to do so, and do not require the standards they set for Obama to be done my Mitt. At some point the party of "personal responsibility" will actually hold republicans responsible for their actions and they will have to get rid of 95% of their politicians and pundits.


Well, it wasn't a vicious campaign season filled with lies and attacks until a SuperPAC supporting Obama put out a negative ad. The GOP had been doing nothing but showing videos of rainbows and unicorns up until then.
 
2012-08-23 11:10:04 AM

bulldg4life: Serious Black: BSABSV...er, that doesn't work. Um, IOKIYA...dammit, that doesn't work either. Obama's black, and black people have absolutely no integ...shiat, I can't even go there.

Can anybody figure out a way that this is bad for Obama?

Obama has been avoiding taking a stand against this ad and, when he finally did, he couldn't avoid trashing Romney and calling him a felon.

He is a failure as a president.


Sorry, my Poe-ometer is on the fritz today, so I have to ask: wat
 
2012-08-23 11:14:12 AM
Well that certainly took long enough.
 
2012-08-23 11:16:08 AM
This is the political landscape Citizens United created. Former campaign staffers and anyone else not currently directly connected to the campaign get massive budgets for ads and are not allowed to ask for the candidate's approval, giving the candidate total deniability on the content.

It's a terrible system, but it's what the Supreme Court allowed. It would be nice to live in a world where a candidate could refuse to take advantage of shady tactics and still have a chance to win, but that's just not the case.
 
2012-08-23 11:28:28 AM

NateGrey: Oldnewsexciting.jpg


Old and new sex is exciting? Yikes. I'm kinda glad you didn't post the actual pic.
 
2012-08-23 11:36:18 AM
Simply bold the portions which are untrue:

"I don't think Mitt Romney understands what he's done to people's lives by closing the plant. I don't think he realizes that people's lives completely changed. When Mitt Romney and Bain closed the plant, I lost my health care, and my family lost their health care. And a short time after that, my wife became ill.

"I don't know how long she was sick, and I think maybe she didn't say anything because she knew that we couldn't afford the insurance. And then one day she became ill, and I took her up to the Jackson County Hospital and admitted her for pneumonia. And that's when they found the cancer, and by then it was Stage Four. It was ... there was nothing they could do for her. And she passed away in 22 days.

"I do not think Mitt Romney realizes what he's done to anyone, and furthermore I do not think Mitt Romney is concerned."
 
2012-08-23 11:37:54 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Simply bold the portions which are untrue:

"I don't think Mitt Romney understands what he's done to people's lives by closing the plant. I don't think he realizes that people's lives completely changed. When Mitt Romney and Bain closed the plant, I lost my health care, and my family lost their health care. And a short time after that, my wife became ill.

"I don't know how long she was sick, and I think maybe she didn't say anything because she knew that we couldn't afford the insurance. And then one day she became ill, and I took her up to the Jackson County Hospital and admitted her for pneumonia. And that's when they found the cancer, and by then it was Stage Four. It was ... there was nothing they could do for her. And she passed away in 22 days.

"I do not think Mitt Romney realizes what he's done to anyone, and furthermore I do not think Mitt Romney is concerned."


/anything bashing Romney is untrue
 
2012-08-23 12:11:22 PM

randomjsa: Well that certainly took long enough.


What, you were too busy explaining to your parents how you couldn't have been pregnant since you were raped to actually read the article?
 
2012-08-23 12:16:29 PM
"Mitt did a great job on healthcare in Massachusetts."
May not be exactly correct phrasing.
 
2012-08-23 12:49:26 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: bdub77: Even better. You don't even have to take responsibility for it.

"Guys I have absolutely no control over the attack dogs at my disposal. They say whatever the f*ck they want. I just tell people to donate to it if they want. Look, it's in the rules."

Soooo.... standard conservative outrage. "HOW DARE YOU PLAY BY THE RULES I CREATED!?"


I totally agree. The conservatives have no leg to stand on. All I was getting at is that this is a standard textbook political manuever by Obama and he executed it perfectly. He probably had nothing to do with approving the message about the lady dying of cancer. Hell he might have told people through other people to back off on it. And he looks better by comparison because in the end he says 'look you guys overreacted by saying we are accusing Romney of murder and as far as I know it got more coverage by you blowing it out of proportion than by the ad itself.'

This is the problem with fark, all kinds of whiny outrage gets generated when people correctly attack or critique Obama's handling of a political campaign, when the truth is, both sides muddle the truth and manipulate. Romney outright lies so often it's laughable to me.
 
2012-08-23 02:07:46 PM

Jackson Herring: Has even a single reporter dared to ask Romney about his campaign's series of literal lies about objective observable reality?


Sure and Romney just chuckles and ignores them/ends the interview. And they can't do follow-up, because then they might get accused of being part of the Liberal Media Cartel.
 
2012-08-23 02:23:17 PM
Nah. The opportunity to go for the moral high ground vy denouncing those ads expired WEEKS ago.

Obama wil lbe awarded no points.

And those of us feeling cynical will view this as a thinly veiled manouver to keep those ads alive in the press now that it has started to fade.
 
2012-08-23 02:41:43 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Simply bold the portions which are untrue:

"I don't think Mitt Romney understands what he's done to people's lives by closing the plant. I don't think he realizes that people's lives completely changed. When Mitt Romney and Bain closed the plant, I lost my health care, and my family lost their health care. And a short time after that, my wife became ill.

"I don't know how long she was sick, and I think maybe she didn't say anything because she knew that we couldn't afford the insurance. And then one day she became ill, and I took her up to the Jackson County Hospital and admitted her for pneumonia. And that's when they found the cancer, and by then it was Stage Four. It was ... there was nothing they could do for her. And she passed away in 22 days.

"I do not think Mitt Romney realizes what he's done to anyone, and furthermore I do not think Mitt Romney is concerned."


He is concerned... that people might not vote for him, due to this ad.
 
2012-08-23 02:47:59 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Nah. The opportunity to go for the moral high ground vy denouncing those ads expired WEEKS ago.

Obama wil lbe awarded no points.

And those of us feeling cynical will view this as a thinly veiled manouver to keep those ads alive in the press now that it has started to fade.


Just for clarity. How many days do you get to disavow something you didn't endorse and how many days do you get to disavow something you did endorse?
 
2012-08-23 04:19:59 PM
I suspect Obama would like to say something like:

"This ad was a cheap shot. But its politics, man up, you did gut companies, lay people off, and cause them to lose their health insurance. Your own spokesmodel said the answer was in your own health care plan, which I rather admire, which is popular, but which you're running against now because your party decided to make a huge deal out of opposing it, long before you were the presumptive nominee.

"But I don't want us using this ad, or focusing on it. Because there are plenty, oh heaps and mountains of plenty, of other things we can slam you on. Tell you what, Mitt, I'll take thi ad off the table, and I'll let you pick one more subject to rule out. One free pass. Your taxes? Turning Medicare in to vouchers? Giving yourself a tax rate under 1%? Raising taxes on the middle class? Flip flopping on abortion? Something else? Go ahead, pick one, you get a free pass.

"And then we nail you sixteen ways to Sunday on all of the many, many others. Pick a card, Willard."
 
2012-08-23 09:40:36 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: He repudiated an ad he didn't run with a message he didn't approve.

Mitt Romney, on the other hand, continues to get a pass after he repeatedly used the demonstrable lie that Obama has removed the obligation for welfare recipients to seek work. In fact, has he stopped using that lie yet? What about the "you didn't build that" lie? Is he still using that one? I wouldn't know because the liberal media never wants to report on it.

/ so vote republican!


THIS is what pisses me off. We have to "appear" balanced, so we nod towards the center without actually trying to give truth and facts the middle ground.

If the media started calling out Romney on all his lies, that would be all they'd have time to do.
 
2012-08-24 05:13:00 PM

mrshowrules: How many days do you get to disavow something you didn't endorse and how many days do you get to disavow something you did endorse?


Generally, no more than 3 days. At least that seems to be the rule of thumb. One day to hear about it, one day to think about it and see what the public reaction is, One day to confirm it isn't going away and to formulate the exact response for political effect.

Endorsed or not endorsed, if you are going to say "That was bullshiat, and I denounce it", taking weeks to decide means you aren't really convinced it was bullshiat and should be dencounced.
 
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