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2012-08-23 08:32:52 AM
Damn, right it is.

Supply side doesn't work, capitulating to lobbyists on the behalf of the 1% and multinational corporations is how America got into it's current mess and it's not how to get out of it.

Of course you shouldn't discount the social issues completely.

Not when the GOP have ratcheted up the culture wars to a point we haven't seen since before R v. W was decided. 

/Also, a sense of perspective on America's relative strength versus other western industrialized countries who are going through tougher times replete with austerity budgets might come in handy here.
 
2012-08-23 09:31:33 AM
You shouldnt blame Obama for the state of the economy.

I can understand why you do it; he did run on a platform to fix it. Plus, he can be an easy scapegoat, too.

The real world does not work that way. The President is like the windshield of a car while we the consumers are the engine. The economy is just too damned complex for the President to have a hand in fixing. There are a billion of pieces that make our economy go, and the President is only one out of a billion of those pieces

/Remember the source, a man who dislikes Obama very much
 
2012-08-23 10:09:21 AM
If you think Romney is going to improve the economy you are kidding yourself. The last time I checked it was a Republican administration and its Republican "pro-big business and look the other way" polices that crashed the economy in the first place.
 
2012-08-23 10:26:50 AM

Walker: If you think Romney is going to improve the economy you are kidding yourself. The last time I checked it was a Republican administration and its Republican "pro-big business and look the other way" polices that crashed the economy in the first place.


No shat. Do people remember 4 years ago how businesses where hemorrhaging all around us?

I won't thread dump the list again.
Link
 
2012-08-23 10:39:44 AM

cman: You shouldnt blame Obama for the state of the economy.

I can understand why you do it; he did run on a platform to fix it. Plus, he can be an easy scapegoat, too.

The real world does not work that way. The President is like the windshield of a car while we the consumers are the engine. The economy is just too damned complex for the President to have a hand in fixing. There are a billion of pieces that make our economy go, and the President is only one out of a billion of those pieces

/Remember the source, a man who dislikes Obama very much


That's all true however Obama said that if he could fix the economy in 3 years he would be a one term President. I don't understand why people arnt playing that "Today Show" clip over and over again. If we didn't have baby boomers leaving the workforce in droves we would be sitting at something like a 11% unemployment and even accounting for the boomers there are still many people out there just giving up. And look at the prices for food and fuel! Everyone knows their dollar just doesn't go as far as it once did. If he'd just point out some of the good things happening (and there are some) he would get a lot more support. However he holds his first press conference in two months to tell us he thinks rape is bad!! He hits the stump to make a case for higher taxes?! What the hell is he doing? This is not the same man that ran in 2008. Maybe he is tired. Or maybe he need Rahm with him full time.
 
2012-08-23 10:50:36 AM

That's all true however Obama said that if he could fix the economy in 3 years he would be a one term President. The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't understand why people arnt playing that "Today Show" clip over and over again.


Go for it. People appreciate leaders who are humble.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-23 11:15:05 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus:

That's all true however Obama said that if he could fix the economy in 3 years he would be a one term President. I don't understand why people arnt playing that "Today Show" clip over and over again.

 

Because it would remind people of what things were like when Obama took office, which isn't going to help Romney.
 
2012-08-23 11:46:20 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Go for it. People appreciate leaders who are humble.


Humble? How do you get from being dead wrong and breaking your word to humble?! That doesn't even make sense!

vpb: Because it would remind people of what things were like when Obama took office, which isn't going to help Romney.


I don't see why not. Are you better off then you were 4 years ago? The vast majority will say no.
 
2012-08-23 12:01:10 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Humble? How do you get from being dead wrong and breaking your word to humble?! That doesn't even make sense!


Breaking what word?
 
2012-08-23 12:01:30 PM
Yet the republicans have done nothing but focus on penis-goes-where vaginia monitoring legislation while their candidate has said nothing specific about his economic plan other than I'll tell you when I'm elected.
 
2012-08-23 12:03:24 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: cman: You shouldnt blame Obama for the state of the economy.

I can understand why you do it; he did run on a platform to fix it. Plus, he can be an easy scapegoat, too.

The real world does not work that way. The President is like the windshield of a car while we the consumers are the engine. The economy is just too damned complex for the President to have a hand in fixing. There are a billion of pieces that make our economy go, and the President is only one out of a billion of those pieces

/Remember the source, a man who dislikes Obama very much

That's all true however Obama said that if he could fix the economy in 3 years he would be a one term President. I don't understand why people arnt playing that "Today Show" clip over and over again. If we didn't have baby boomers leaving the workforce in droves we would be sitting at something like a 11% unemployment and even accounting for the boomers there are still many people out there just giving up. And look at the prices for food and fuel! Everyone knows their dollar just doesn't go as far as it once did. If he'd just point out some of the good things happening (and there are some) he would get a lot more support. However he holds his first press conference in two months to tell us he thinks rape is bad!! He hits the stump to make a case for higher taxes?! What the hell is he doing? This is not the same man that ran in 2008. Maybe he is tired. Or maybe he need Rahm with him full time.



So, which is it? That Obama has fixed the economy already or that you have sand in your vagina?
 
2012-08-23 12:04:15 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Are you better off then you were 4 years ago? The vast majority will say no.


Yeah, the farking economic Armageddon of hemorrhaging businesses and collapsing markets of 4 years ago was so much better than today!
 
2012-08-23 12:04:22 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see why not. Are you better off then you were 4 years ago? The vast majority will say no.


Would you be better off with Romney? The vast majority should say no*&

*may not apply to those making +$250k a year
&does not apply to those making +$1M a year
 
2012-08-23 12:04:56 PM

impaler: Do people remember 4 years ago how businesses where hemorrhaging all around us?

I won't thread dump the list again.
Link


What you saw in 2007, 8 and 9 was the creative destruction that gets wielded by the invisible hand of the free market.
 
2012-08-23 12:06:08 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus:

Are you better off then you were 4 years ago? The vast majority will say no.


I am much better off today than I was 4 years ago. I didn't have a farking job 4 years ago.

\You sound concerned.
 
2012-08-23 12:06:48 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: If we didn't have baby boomers leaving the workforce in droves we would be sitting at something like a 11% unemployment and even accounting for the boomers there are still many people out there just giving up.


And if we didn't have state and local government firing people then we'd have 6% unemployment.
 
2012-08-23 12:08:59 PM
You know, I can happily vote third party. I can hold my most and vote for Obama. Give me a reason to vote for Romney. I what Obama will do, Romney on the other hand I don't.

Pro-business gun nut who thinks Holder should step down.
 
2012-08-23 12:10:28 PM
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Republicans raped my 401K before Fartbama.
 
2012-08-23 12:12:31 PM

impaler: Yeah, the farking economic Armageddon of hemorrhaging businesses and collapsing markets of 4 years ago was so much better than today!


So when the unemployment was at 5% and we had a much higher number of total jobs was worse then today when we have 8+ percentage and a much lower number of total jobs. Right! Keep dragging that dead horse.

And we arn't going to start with the value of the dollar and the national debt.

Maud Dib: I am much better off today than I was 4 years ago. I didn't have a farking job 4 years ago.


Good for you! See! I said there was some good news.
 
2012-08-23 12:12:36 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't see why not. Are you better off then you were 4 years ago? The vast majority will say no.


Seeing as we've had 24+ months of job growth, and the stock market rebounded, i'd say yeah, most of us are. I'm personally up about 20% in pay since then.
 
2012-08-23 12:13:28 PM
The economy? Quick, distract 'em with a gaffe and a repugnant social issue statement.

We can't have them focusing on real issues.
 
2012-08-23 12:13:33 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Dusk-You-n-Me: Go for it. People appreciate leaders who are humble.

Humble? How do you get from being dead wrong and breaking your word to humble?! That doesn't even make sense!

vpb: Because it would remind people of what things were like when Obama took office, which isn't going to help Romney.

I don't see why not. Are you better off then you were 4 years ago? The vast majority will say no.


4 years ago, my company was laying people off and I was afraid for my job. These days, we're thriving and growing again, my credit cards are paid off, and I'm putting money away. fark yes, I'm better off than I was 4 years ago.
 
2012-08-23 12:14:32 PM
Am I better off than I was 4 years ago? Yes. Much better.

I got all bootstrappy and fixed my own situation after getting laid off. I didn't need Romney to fix my situation, why do you? Obama has done fine by me.
 
2012-08-23 12:17:41 PM
Romney-Paul : Oh noes, sky falling!

Incumbent GOP State/Local/Federal : We're doing pretty darned good.

And the GOP faithful are just compartmentalized enough to not see why these two things do not fit together.
 
2012-08-23 12:20:43 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: The vast majority will say no.


Show me.
 
2012-08-23 12:21:07 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: So when the unemployment was at 5% and we had a much higher number of total jobs was worse then today when we have 8+ percentage and a much lower number of total jobs. Right! Keep dragging that dead horse.


Unemployment was 7.8% the day Obama took office, and was sky rocketing upwards.

Also, the phrase is "beating" a dead horse.

Stealth Hippopotamus, wrong on economics, wrong on cliches, wrong for America.
 
2012-08-23 12:21:28 PM
I'm happy for the 5 or 6 people on the internet that are willing to say they are better off. But if we take just a wee bit bigger sample size it's not so good.
Those right wing hacks at CNN
 
2012-08-23 12:22:11 PM
I am honestly trying to figure out what the republicans would of done differently then Obama, other then another round of tax cuts.

And BTW the bush tax cuts should start paying for them selves any day now.
 
2012-08-23 12:25:07 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm happy for the 5 or 6 people on the internet that are willing to say they are better off. But if we take just a wee bit bigger sample size it's not so good.
Those right wing hacks at CNN


Seasonally adjusted, the unemployment numbers are roughly unchanged
 
2012-08-23 12:26:42 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm happy for the 5 or 6 people on the internet that are willing to say they are better off. But if we take just a wee bit bigger sample size it's not so good.
Those right wing hacks at CNN


I was told they could just build a business all by themselves and didn't need help from say, a Mitt Romney. Guess that was wrong. The bootstraps are a lie!
 
2012-08-23 12:27:11 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm happy for the 5 or 6 people on the internet that are willing to say they are better off. But if we take just a wee bit bigger sample size it's not so good.
Those right wing hacks at CNN



States rights...blame their Governors.
 
2012-08-23 12:28:20 PM
Pretty much every objective standard shows the economy has been steadily improving under Obama's policies and will continue to do so.

Mitt Romney: "I can turn this economy around!"
 
2012-08-23 12:29:38 PM
Heck yeah Im better off than I was 4 years ago. in 2008 my employer(Healthcare-IT) was shrinking, laid off / bought out about 6% of our workforce. Today we're growing, hiring, etc. I'm making ~ 20% more than I was then.

Is this Obama's doing? Partially yes. Boo-Hoo Obamacare all you want but my job is busier than ever because of it. The policies did not directly cause me to make more money, but they gave me the opportunity to show what I was made of in emerging technology, and as such get that extra cash in hand.
 
2012-08-23 12:30:05 PM

Garaba: I am honestly trying to figure out what the republicans would of done differently then Obama, other then another round of tax cuts.

And BTW the bush tax cuts should start paying for them selves any day now.


If they were true to their ideology they would have slashed government spending as well, leading to much higher unemployment and lacking the stimulus that blunted our economic free fall.

In reality, they would have banned gay marriage, cut funding to public arts, and called it a day.
 
2012-08-23 12:30:47 PM

Garaba: I am honestly trying to figure out what the republicans would of done differently then Obama, other then another round of tax cuts.

And BTW the bush tax cuts should start paying for them selves any day now.


That's just it. Odds are McCain would have done the exact same thing minus the affordable care act. Which that alone means we made a mistake in electing Obama. But that's what you get when you elect people who think the government can fix and provide everything

Counter_Intelligent: Show me.


Link
 
2012-08-23 12:33:05 PM
The Stealth Hippopotamus

That's just it. Odds are McCain would have done the exact same thing minus the affordable care act. Which that alone means we made a mistake in electing Obama. But that's what you get when you elect people who think the government can fix and provide everything

Does it make me a bad person to kind of hope you find out you have a pre-existing condition the day after you guys repeal Romneycare and that you end up facing unbelievable financial hardship?
 
2012-08-23 12:36:19 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: That's just it. Odds are McCain would have done the exact same thing minus the affordable care act. Which that alone means we made a mistake in electing Obama. But that's what you get when you elect people who think the government can fix and provide everything


Which parts of the ACA do you disagree with?
Other than, I'm guessing here, the individual mandate that is a 'tax'?
 
2012-08-23 12:38:49 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: That's just it. Odds are McCain would have done the exact same thing minus the affordable care act. Which that alone means we made a mistake in electing Obama. But that's what you get when you elect people who think the government can fix and provide everything


Also I suppose the House wouldn't have wasted time trying to repeal the ACA 40 times or so which might have helped things....but then they might have tries to push through even more ridiculous policies or tax breaks so I guess that's a net win for Obama.
 
2012-08-23 12:39:40 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: That's just it. Odds are McCain would have done the exact same thing minus the affordable care act. Which that alone means we made a mistake in electing Obama.


Yeah, what a difference Vice President Palin would have made! If only, Am I right?!
 
2012-08-23 12:44:46 PM

busy chillin': Does it make me a bad person to kind of hope you find out you have a pre-existing condition the day after you guys repeal Romneycare and that you end up facing unbelievable financial hardship?


Yeah it does.

But you see I have insurance. And even if I don't by law a hospital has to admit me.

ghall3: Which parts of the ACA do you disagree with?


I've just seen the service that Medicare and Medicad provide and I would rather stay with what I got. I know I know they say I'll be able to keep it but I don't see how BlueCross is going to survive if they have to insure anyone who can still breathe.
 
2012-08-23 12:47:38 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: busy chillin': Does it make me a bad person to kind of hope you find out you have a pre-existing condition the day after you guys repeal Romneycare and that you end up facing unbelievable financial hardship?

Yeah it does.

But you see I have insurance. And even if I don't by law a hospital has to admit me.


Sorry.

Of course they will admit you. That is not the issue.

Good luck with everything.
 
2012-08-23 12:48:24 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Dusk-You-n-Me: Go for it. People appreciate leaders who are humble.

Humble? How do you get from being dead wrong and breaking your word to humble?! That doesn't even make sense!

vpb: Because it would remind people of what things were like when Obama took office, which isn't going to help Romney.

I don't see why not. Are you better off then you were 4 years ago? The vast majority will say no.


Are you not better off today than you were four years ago? If not, can you explain why?
 
2012-08-23 12:50:12 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I've just seen the service that Medicare and Medicad provide and I would rather stay with what I got. I know I know they say I'll be able to keep it but I don't see how BlueCross is going to survive if they have to insure anyone who can still breathe.


A lot of Freepers have this mentality.

Collect multiple government checks, use government provided insurance, then complain about how the government does everything wrong.

You arent one of those right?
 
2012-08-23 12:51:22 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: busy chillin': Does it make me a bad person to kind of hope you find out you have a pre-existing condition the day after you guys repeal Romneycare and that you end up facing unbelievable financial hardship?

Yeah it does.

But you see I have insurance. And even if I don't by law a hospital has to admit me.


A hospital will only admit you if you're in critical condition. Otherwise the triage nurse will show you the door.
 
2012-08-23 12:55:06 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: But you see I have insurance


Therefore nothing will change for you under the ACA. So why are you afraid of it?
 
2012-08-23 12:58:44 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Dusk-You-n-Me: Go for it. People appreciate leaders who are humble.

Humble? How do you get from being dead wrong and breaking your word to humble?! That doesn't even make sense!

vpb: Because it would remind people of what things were like when Obama took office, which isn't going to help Romney.

I don't see why not. Are you better off then you were 4 years ago? The vast majority will say no.


Only people with very short memories. Did you already forget the near total collapse of the entire global economy at the tail end of 3 decades of Reaganomics and 10 years of record low taxes for the wealthy?

You honestly think we're worse off now than when the country was losing millions of jobs a month? You can say we could be doing better now than we are, but to say we are doing worse now than at the end of Bush's term means you're either lying to yourself or the rest of us.
 
2012-08-23 12:59:26 PM

impaler: The Stealth Hippopotamus: So when the unemployment was at 5% and we had a much higher number of total jobs was worse then today when we have 8+ percentage and a much lower number of total jobs. Right! Keep dragging that dead horse.

Unemployment was 7.8% the day Obama took office, and was sky rocketing upwards.

Also, the phrase is "beating" a dead horse.

Stealth Hippopotamus, wrong on economics, wrong on cliches, wrong for America.


You have been favorited. Light red for funny...
 
2012-08-23 01:40:24 PM
I know I'm better off. I design healthcare software. Obama is a god send. He's absolutely throwing healthcare into a death spiral with mandated EHR upgrades, etc..

I'm going to get STUPID rich off of this.. and I'm STILL going to vote republican!

GOBAMA! Daddy needs a new airplane.
 
2012-08-23 01:51:37 PM

tfresh: I know I'm better off. I design healthcare software. Obama is a god send. He's absolutely throwing healthcare into a death spiral with mandated EHR upgrades, etc..

I'm going to get STUPID rich off of this.. and I'm STILL going to vote republican!

GOBAMA! Daddy needs a new airplane.


So according to you, the Obama law will make you rich, but the guy you want to vote for wants to repeal the same law. You sound like the typical non-rich Republican... voting against your own interest.
 
2012-08-23 01:57:55 PM
I don't like the fact that I'm getting rich off of all this (sorry that's a lie). I mean let's be honest, health care was going to move into electronic format anyways. Obama is just speeding things up and unless Ron Paul is going to be the nominee I'm not really excited about either party. They're all putrid scum. In fact I might not vote. Not because I don't want to but our stock holder meeting is in the Bahamas that week and I'm too lazy to vote absentee.

And don't worry. I'm already rich from this.
 
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