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(Payvand News)   Question for Americans: If sometime during the next 10 weeks Israel attacked Iran but Obama decided not to get America involved, would that encourage you to vote Obama or Romney?   (payvand.com) divider line 57
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2012-08-23 08:22:53 AM  
8 votes:
I will vote for anyone who tells Israel to go fark itself.
2012-08-23 10:02:49 AM  
6 votes:
There is nothing that would convince me to vote for Romney in this Universe.

That goes back a ways. When he was involved with the UMaine system, before he headed to Utah. His stint as Governor in Mass, only cemented that. His statements and his inability to cohere anything that remotely looks like consistent policy only confirms my bias. His choice of Ryan as his running mate only confirms my decision. Romney will never get my vote, because of his record going back that far. He is not anything that I want near office. I don't trust the man, I don't trust his decision making process, I don't trust his motives, I don't trust his backers, because the only thing that they have any allegiance to is the money that they have in the bank, and screw shareholders, screw taxpayers, screw communities, screw the country, that is all that he's going to serve.

No thank you. We cannot afford a Romney Presidency on any level, nor can our grandkids...
2012-08-23 09:12:53 AM  
4 votes:
Obama, hands down. Israel are big boys. They don't need our troops dying in their war, and they don't need our money to fight it either.
2012-08-23 10:36:04 AM  
3 votes:
Obama, because I'm a US citizen, not an Israeli.
2012-08-23 09:46:45 AM  
3 votes:
if Israel attacks Iran then Israel can deal with the situation all by themselves.
2012-08-23 08:59:46 AM  
3 votes:
Israel attacks Iran - stay out.
Iran attacks Israel - different story.

Obama on both counts.
2012-08-23 06:27:11 AM  
3 votes:
I could never respect a President that hasn't trained his dog to sit and heel.
2012-08-23 03:51:03 PM  
2 votes:
Obama; has vowed to minimize invasions, took out an country without even using ground troops and to great international approval.

Romney; has vowed to invite Iran, Syria, Iraq, and the Soviet Union.

Yeah, I'm going to have to go with Obama as well.
2012-08-23 11:55:27 AM  
2 votes:
fark Israel.

Planning on strategically attacking Iran prior to our elections to try to force the president into a conflict, and the end result being American troops losing limbs and lives?

We have something like 32 bases surrounding Iran. We sent a battleship down the straight of Hormuz when they were at the height of their sabre rattling, and Iran did nothing to retaliate despite the threats. A preemptive strike in the next 3 months is NOT necessary.

I'm not opposed to America taking action against Iran if it comes to it, but goddamn if it won't be on OUR terms. Trying to force our hand? That's some scumbag shiat right there.

fark Israel.
2012-08-23 10:53:36 AM  
2 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: Obama.

fark Bibi, fark the Israeli right wing.


Yup.

clkeagle: Obama. And, hopefully that would send a message to the Israeli people. War isn't anyone's default answer anymore, so swing your next election away from the hawks.

Especially when so many younger Iranians actually like western civilization. Their revolution will come in time, and it will be permanent.


Do you know how the youth in Israel feel about Iran? Do you know how the youth feel about the possibility of war with Iran? Actually, do you know that a over half of Israelis of every age don't want war with Iran? It's really just Bibi and his hawkish right wing buddies in government who want this - his people don't - which is why he's had to take the argument international and try and cajole the US into Iraqing the place.

Apparently, everyone serving means everyone has personal investment in sending kids off to war. Israelis, it turns out, are no more eager to send the youth into a battle of questionable merit (as opposed to a defensive war) than anyone else.
2012-08-23 10:52:09 AM  
2 votes:
Nuke them both. Nip this shiat in the bud.
2012-08-23 10:50:55 AM  
2 votes:
If Israel essentially goes to war over a few meaningless words from a figurehead, I would not only expect Obama to not help, but I would also expect someone important - anyone at all - to point out how a warmongering Israel is so laughingly hypocritical until it is clear that any Jewish person that votes right of center in Israel again just hates themselves and their own people and history.
2012-08-23 10:27:02 AM  
2 votes:
t3.gstatic.com
2012-08-23 10:23:46 AM  
2 votes:
Obama.

/If Iran did attack Israel, it would be nuked by Israel so fast. Period.
2012-08-23 10:20:07 AM  
2 votes:
Obama
America needs to learn what /b/ and Anonymous learned long ago
Not your personal army
2012-08-23 10:19:25 AM  
2 votes:
"Why do you ask?"

"Oh, no reason."
2012-08-23 10:11:54 AM  
2 votes:

Bloody William: If Iran attacks Israel and doesn't completely cripple their military capabilities, Obama's only move should be to raise a hand and say, "Hold on. This is gonna be funny."


Tehran would be a smoking hole in the ground if Iran attacks Israel.

capitolcommentary.com
2012-08-23 10:09:44 AM  
2 votes:
I didn't like the idea of pre-emptive war under Bush, what makes you think I would like it any better now?

This whole hypothetical is stupid anyway. Not gonna happen.
2012-08-23 10:08:16 AM  
2 votes:
If Iran attacks Israel and doesn't completely cripple their military capabilities, Obama's only move should be to raise a hand and say, "Hold on. This is gonna be funny."
2012-08-23 09:58:32 AM  
2 votes:

Bladel: Israel attacks Iran - stay out.
Iran attacks Israel - different story.

Obama on both counts.


Yeah, I'm not a fan of fighting Israel's battles for them, but I'll agree with this. If Iran is monumentally stupid enough to be the aggressor, I'd be OK with the US swatting them down.

If Israel attacks Iran, I can only wish we would have the balls to tell them they're on their own.
2012-08-23 08:39:20 AM  
2 votes:
Obama can sleep with my wife AND my mother, at the same time, and I'd still vote for him over Mitt.
2012-08-23 06:07:17 AM  
2 votes:
Obama.
2012-08-23 05:51:37 AM  
2 votes:
That is quite a hypothetical. An easier question to answer would be who do you trust more in the use of military power?

/Obama wins that hands down
2012-08-23 01:07:49 PM  
1 votes:

L82DPRT: Question for Americans: If sometime during the next 10 weeks Israel attacked Iran and Obama jumped in with both feet, would that encourage you to vote Obama or Romney?

Fark libs: Obama


You still think that Obama is a liberal. That's cute.

As a Green Party member, under those circumstances I would not vote for either.

But the president is smart enough to know we can't afford another war quagmire right now.
2012-08-23 12:06:22 PM  
1 votes:
President Obama.
Maybe if there's somebody else running for the Democratic nomination I'll listen to them.
Maybe if the Republican party nominates somebody other than Mitt Romney (and none of this past year's candidates for the Republican nomination) I'll listen to them.
If the small parties are running anybody I'll listen to them.

But I'd be dead before voting for Mitt Romney. The man is hateful, has pretty much promised to have me executed because of the way I was born. He is about ten minutes from creating concentration camps so that he can execute anybody that's already been born, but is big on preserving the unborn, so he can off them post-birth.

Somehow this is a "pro-life" candidate.
As a veteran, I'm bound to an oath to defend the United States; I could go to prison for voting for Romney.
I will not vote for Mitt Romney.
2012-08-23 12:05:04 PM  
1 votes:

NeoCortex42: TrollingForColumbine: make Jerusalem an independent city state ruled by consensus and militarily defended by the UN as a world heritage site.

This is what I'd like to see as well, but is there any precedent for something like this anywhere else in the world? With how contested the place is religiously, is there really any chance of ruling by consensus even working?


And the only corollary I can think of is possibly Berlin I probably not well studied enough to comment further.
2012-08-23 12:04:56 PM  
1 votes:

Kuroshin: The Electoral College members in Oregon will vote for Obama. Has nothing to do with however the popular vote swings (and it won't swing Red). Back in 1999, one of 'em even stated openly that she'd put in her vote for Gore even if the people voted for Bush. The Democratic Party owns our EC votes.


So the electoral college members aren't bound to the results of the state's popular vote? Is that a peculiar thing, or is it that way in most states?
2012-08-23 12:02:35 PM  
1 votes:

NeoCortex42: TrollingForColumbine: make Jerusalem an independent city state ruled by consensus and militarily defended by the UN as a world heritage site.

This is what I'd like to see as well, but is there any precedent for something like this anywhere else in the world? With how contested the place is religiously, is there really any chance of ruling by consensus even working?


There are only a few things both sides would agree too. Keep the lights on, Keep the sewers working, keep the water clean, etc. everything controversial would remain as it is because there could be no consensus to make changes. And if people don't like it the Blue Hats can convince them it is in their best interest.
2012-08-23 11:59:45 AM  
1 votes:

JohnnyC: Obama, easily...

I'm already voting for him anyway since I don't trust Mitt Romney at all... with anything. Additionally, I think if Israel wants to start a war, it can fight that war on its own. I don't believe Iran would initiate a war with Israel... if anything it will be Israel attacking Iran.

Kuroshin: I'm in Oregon, so I'm leaning toward "not voting"

I don't care what state you're in. "Not voting" or voting third party is a vote for Mitt Romney regardless of how you try to paint your apathy. A fairly big part of the Republican campaign is to try and stop people from voting for Obama, either through voter suppression or simply by disgusting you enough to not want to take part in the process. Do what you like, but understand that if you don't vote, you're playing right into their hand.


You have no idea what you're talking about.

The Electoral College members in Oregon will vote for Obama. Has nothing to do with however the popular vote swings (and it won't swing Red). Back in 1999, one of 'em even stated openly that she'd put in her vote for Gore even if the people voted for Bush. The Democratic Party owns our EC votes.

Votes over who should be POTUS are symbolic for us. They serve no practical purpose.

But no, this state isn't going to flip. There were enough votes to make gay marriage permanently illegal here, but plenty of those were votes from people who still vote Dem on the national stage. We saw the same thing that Cali did with Prop 8: Democrat voters voting to oppress a minority group. Those same people would never go Red, and they make up more than 60% of our population. Of course, like I said, even if 100% of the votes were for Romney, our EC votes would still go to Obama. It's just how we roll.
2012-08-23 11:59:28 AM  
1 votes:

Bladel: Israel attacks Iran - stay out.
Iran attacks Israel - different story.

Obama on both counts.


This.

We should have weaned Israel off the American teat over thirty years ago. If Israel can't stand on its own *and* gets belligerent, that is their problem.
2012-08-23 11:53:51 AM  
1 votes:
Stupid premise. Obama wouldn't have any choice but to get the U.S. involved. If Israel attacked Iran, the Iranians would start attacking tankers and would mine the Strait of Hormuz, and the U.S. Navy would immediately attack the Iranians. That the price of oil would super-spike would guarantee a vigorous U.S. response, even if Bozo The Clown was president. Contrary to the impressions of some foolish people, the president would not have the power or the discretion to "not get involved."

Was this moronic question acually in FTA? DNRTFA.
2012-08-23 11:52:27 AM  
1 votes:
Obama

And hope that both sides completely destroy each other.
2012-08-23 11:41:04 AM  
1 votes:

TrollingForColumbine: make Jerusalem an independent city state ruled by consensus and militarily defended by the UN as a world heritage site.


This is what I'd like to see as well, but is there any precedent for something like this anywhere else in the world? With how contested the place is religiously, is there really any chance of ruling by consensus even working?
2012-08-23 11:32:14 AM  
1 votes:

Dr Dreidel: HotWingConspiracy: Obama.

fark Bibi, fark the Israeli right wing.

Yup.

clkeagle: Obama. And, hopefully that would send a message to the Israeli people. War isn't anyone's default answer anymore, so swing your next election away from the hawks.

Especially when so many younger Iranians actually like western civilization. Their revolution will come in time, and it will be permanent.

Do you know how the youth in Israel feel about Iran? Do you know how the youth feel about the possibility of war with Iran? Actually, do you know that a over half of Israelis of every age don't want war with Iran? It's really just Bibi and his hawkish right wing buddies in government who want this - his people don't - which is why he's had to take the argument international and try and cajole the US into Iraqing the place.

Apparently, everyone serving means everyone has personal investment in sending kids off to war. Israelis, it turns out, are no more eager to send the youth into a battle of questionable merit (as opposed to a defensive war) than anyone else.


Yup

Wife is Israeli
/I have several nieces nephews and cousins in law in the IDF. They are not really interested in attacking Iran. This is all Netanyahooooos posturing to get romney (his long time associate) elected. My position on Israel?

/get out of the west bank
//keep the golan
///make Jerusalem an independent city state ruled by consensus and militarily defended by the UN as a world heritage site.
2012-08-23 11:31:08 AM  
1 votes:
Obama, easily...

I'm already voting for him anyway since I don't trust Mitt Romney at all... with anything. Additionally, I think if Israel wants to start a war, it can fight that war on its own. I don't believe Iran would initiate a war with Israel... if anything it will be Israel attacking Iran.

Kuroshin: I'm in Oregon, so I'm leaning toward "not voting"


I don't care what state you're in. "Not voting" or voting third party is a vote for Mitt Romney regardless of how you try to paint your apathy. A fairly big part of the Republican campaign is to try and stop people from voting for Obama, either through voter suppression or simply by disgusting you enough to not want to take part in the process. Do what you like, but understand that if you don't vote, you're playing right into their hand.
2012-08-23 11:21:55 AM  
1 votes:
Obama. I'm tired of cleaning up Israel's messes, or threatening to. They want to start a war? Fine, farking let them. I don't give two shiats about that stupid little shiathole. I feel bad for the crap that has followed the Jewish people for centuries, but I don't feel that I have to personally babysit their stupid little nation that can't follow the rules the rest of the world does, and then runs behind Big Brother every time someone calls them on it.

Did I say fark Israel?
2012-08-23 11:15:50 AM  
1 votes:
I'd actually vote for Obama if that were the case.

No, I wouldn't be voting for Romney otherwise. It's either 3rd party, Obama, or not voting at all.

/I'm in Oregon, so I'm leaning toward "not voting"
//All of our electoral college members are belong to Democrats
2012-08-23 11:09:48 AM  
1 votes:

Philip Francis Queeg: kindms: Kevin72: Obama.

/If Iran did attack Israel, it would be nuked by Israel so fast. Period.

They are right next to eachother. You think Israel is going to rain fallout over much of the middle east ? Think again. they might if they thought they were outmatched or something but Israel has more than enough non-nuclear weapons to handle just about anyone in their region.

They are the big boys on that block. No one is going to use nuclear weapons. You think Russia is ok with that taking place on their southern border ?

You think China will be ok with losing their OIL ?

[www.lib.utexas.edu image 850x1022]


figuratively. Nuclear fallout doesn't stay within borders
2012-08-23 11:08:40 AM  
1 votes:
Well I have no idea how Mitt would react in this situation because he doesn't outline his presidential plan/philosophy during a stump speech, but instead goes on hyperbolic rants aimed at Obama. That plays well with the idiots that make up the GOP base, but doesn't do much for the moderate voter trying to understand his policy stance. When he has been nailed down to answer a specific question, he consistently contradicts himself. If Romeny's father had not been wealthy, Mitt would have become a used car salesman. The man will tell you whatever you want to hear to make the sale.
2012-08-23 11:06:13 AM  
1 votes:

kindms: Kevin72: Obama.

/If Iran did attack Israel, it would be nuked by Israel so fast. Period.

They are right next to eachother. You think Israel is going to rain fallout over much of the middle east ? Think again. they might if they thought they were outmatched or something but Israel has more than enough non-nuclear weapons to handle just about anyone in their region.

They are the big boys on that block. No one is going to use nuclear weapons. You think Russia is ok with that taking place on their southern border ?

You think China will be ok with losing their OIL ?


www.lib.utexas.edu
2012-08-23 10:42:11 AM  
1 votes:

Cletus C.: If the adventurous Bush, Jr. did not attack Iran, why would the democrat and Nobel Peace Prize laureate, Obama?

An interesting question, for sure. But first. Why the lower case on Democrat? Is the peace prize thingy being brought up just to be snarky?

Now, why didn't Bush attack Iran? And North Korea? And Syria? And Canada.

I don't think W had the nads, frankly.


I disagree. W. had the nads. He just did not have the military to do so. We were so bogged down in Afghanistan and Iraq, we had no major military options left. I have little doubt that if Iraq had been the cakewalk we were promised, that Bush would have gotten us involved in another war elsewhere, for good or ill, I can't guess. The Iraqi quagmire tied his hands.
2012-08-23 10:36:47 AM  
1 votes:
It doesn't matter. If there's a war at all the economy is going to be a smoking hole in the ground by Christmas, even if Iran doesn't actually start sinking shiat in the Strait. The possibility that they might would be enough to send gas prices past where you can afford your 45 minute commute.

I wouldn't want to be Netanyahu right now. I think he'll order the attack just because to not do so would make him look like such a fool that his political career would end immediately.
2012-08-23 10:28:19 AM  
1 votes:
Obama.

fark Bibi, fark the Israeli right wing.
2012-08-23 10:27:27 AM  
1 votes:
Obama, though he's my pick for this election regardless. We don't need to get involved in something else right now, we've got too much going on as it is.

When Mitt Romney decides to poke a stick at an already delicate situation by essentially telling Palestinians that their lack of economic growth and wealth is because their culture sucks, that is the mark of a man who has no f*cking clue how to deal with people. And while sure, it's nice to have someone with business background willing to help fix the economy, a good part of the job of the president is knowing how to listen and work with other world leaders without offending them.
2012-08-23 10:23:47 AM  
1 votes:
I really do not believe that the US has any reason to support Israel.
I also believe that Mr. Obama is a relatively intelligent and sane person. I do not believe that about anyone who chooses to label him or herself a republican.
2012-08-23 10:23:23 AM  
1 votes:
Let's see - a warmonger who would use privatized military to further loot the US coffers but is too much of a pussy to make the tough calls, or a less-inclined warmonger who reduced the military presence, even if it did continue to loot the US coffers, and who has shown the decisiveness to take out the top guys.

I'll take "Lesser of Two Evils" for $1000, Alex.

/meaning Obama
2012-08-23 10:16:18 AM  
1 votes:
I'm buying popcorn futures.
2012-08-23 10:16:00 AM  
1 votes:
Obama. And, hopefully that would send a message to the Israeli people. War isn't anyone's default answer anymore, so swing your next election away from the hawks.

Especially when so many younger Iranians actually like western civilization. Their revolution will come in time, and it will be permanent.
2012-08-23 10:12:40 AM  
1 votes:
Obama.

Because I'm sick and tired of playing Daddy to the world. If they want to slug it out let them. It will thin out all the rowdy ones are just itching for a fight.
2012-08-23 10:12:04 AM  
1 votes:
I would vote for the man who, during his first term, expertly handled every major foreign policy problem that came his way, excelling especially with regards to the middle east.
2012-08-23 10:11:53 AM  
1 votes:
Obama. On the flip side, if Obama DID get us involved, I would seriously consider staying home or voting third party.

/get us involved in an unnecessary aggressive war, you lose my vote, regardless of party
2012-08-23 10:10:40 AM  
1 votes:

SilentStrider: Obama, hands down. Israel are big boys. They don't need our troops dying in their war, and they don't need our money to fight it either.


This.
2012-08-23 10:04:49 AM  
1 votes:

Bladel: Israel attacks Iran - stay out.
Iran attacks Israel - different story.

Obama on both counts.


actually, pretty much this.
2012-08-23 09:26:22 AM  
1 votes:
"If the cafeteria serves tater tots today, will that make you more likely to vote for Obama or Romney?"

Equally valid question.
2012-08-23 08:37:56 AM  
1 votes:
Obama. But this is coming from a person who doesn't like the U.S.' support of Israel in the first place.
2012-08-23 08:36:18 AM  
1 votes:
If Obama came to my house and kicked my dog...I'd still vote for him. If Obama left an upper decker after he kicked my dog... I'd still vote for him. If he gave me a prison tat of a swastika in my sleep I'd still vote for Obama.
2012-08-23 08:17:29 AM  
1 votes:
obama... are you kidding?
 
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