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(Martinsburg Journal News)   Army National Guardsman goes for morning run near the local high school and middle school while wearing desert cammies, body armor with ceramic plates, knives and an Airsoft AR-15. Alcohol was a factor   (journal-news.net ) divider line
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2012-08-23 01:33:11 AM  
Yeah, that terrorism statute is a bit broad to be enforceable in this instance in my opinion.

However it seems that this fella might not have it all together, and if he gets a good mental health evaluation and necessary treatment - even though he had to enter the door through the criminal justice system - that would be OK.

He might be nuts, or he might just be drunk and silly, but I don't see any crimes here.
 
2012-08-23 09:37:16 AM  
For f*ck's sake. Enjoy your world of fear.
 
2012-08-23 09:38:30 AM  
That is a pretty frequent run in the Marines. You constantly see Marines running along the side of the road on their own time in full gear, for conditioning..... ON BASE. Not near schools. Not really the best decision, but I guess if you lived near one and there was a good trail... I dunno.

Did you know that some kids in NYC in the 60's used to carry their target rifles with them to school on the subway? I heard that once.

Peeps need to stop being ninnies I think.
 
2012-08-23 09:39:45 AM  
As far as "things done when drunk" goes, this is pretty minor.
 
2012-08-23 09:39:55 AM  
Ahem... AIRSOFT!!!!

GORDON: Did you know that some kids in NYC in the 60's used to carry their target rifles with them to school on the subway?


Yeah, this country has gotten so soft it's afraid of NERF!
 
2012-08-23 09:40:05 AM  
Did he take the orange tip off his airsoft gun?
 
2012-08-23 09:42:25 AM  
We are all totally farked... he was a national guardsman (which is a branch of the state military). How could somebody who signs up to defend his nation (voluntarily) be considered a terrorist? The time has come for them to start using all the terrorist laws against normal everyday citizens... prepare for KGB style enforcement and prosecution of those individuals who get in the government's way. We are on a slippery slope farkers (and America), if this doesn't slow down soon we will slide right in to Hitler"esque" style enforcement of our laws, and Nazi like interpretation of them.
 
2012-08-23 09:43:05 AM  
Train how you fight.
Wearing armor and drunk.
 
2012-08-23 09:43:29 AM  
There's one jogger that won't be raped.
 
2012-08-23 09:44:49 AM  
Sounds like a fun guy
 
2012-08-23 09:46:51 AM  
Full gear run with no military installation nearby is very iffy. Full gear run with fake weapon and mags is just downright stupid.

/You are a NOGO at this station (common farking sense)
 
2012-08-23 09:47:37 AM  
Very special forces.
 
2012-08-23 09:47:55 AM  
Yeah, wearing your battle rattle is a good way for freak out the norms.
 
2012-08-23 09:50:07 AM  
So the guy has been deployed in the past and was found in full gear and drunk. I like how we respond to probable PTSD cases by charging them with terrorism now. It seems like you could be less of a dick and start out with public intox or an open carry charge depending on what the local laws support. Then consider your options after he sees a shrink.

/support the troops
 
2012-08-23 09:50:12 AM  
The terrorism charge is not appropriate in the least. Public intoxication at the most. A guy in full gear running down the street is NOT terrorism. Had he been aiming his airsoft gun at kids, possibly firing them, I could agree with terrorism (though it would still be a stretch). This is the same irrational fear that led to a few guys with box cutters hijacking 4 planes and killing a few buildings 11 years ago. Grow a set people!
 
2012-08-23 09:51:07 AM  
DUUUUDE - I was SOOOO wasted....

www.journal-news.net
 
2012-08-23 09:53:15 AM  
Terrorism? They have to be kidding. Public drunkenness is the only charge that makes sense here. He wasn't carrying a real weapon. This country is losing its farking mind.
 
2012-08-23 09:55:23 AM  
So what's the problem?
 
2012-08-23 09:55:26 AM  
That evil George Bush and his fear mongering!!!!

Wait......
 
2012-08-23 09:56:15 AM  
Yeah, the guy is an idiot or a little mentally off. That being said, aside from drunk in public, I cannot fathom how his actions could be considered "terrorist" in nature. Inciting public panic or disturbing the peace perhaps, but terrorism? Yeah, no.
 
2012-08-23 09:58:25 AM  

JackieRabbit: Terrorism? They have to be kidding. Public drunkenness is the only charge that makes sense here. He wasn't carrying a real weapon. This country is losing its farking mind.


Gotta remember, in some states, depending on the circumstances, you can be charged with a felony simply by removing or painting that orange tip on a toy gun.
 
2012-08-23 10:00:14 AM  
This is stupid. A TERRORIST! Are you out of your farkING mind. This is just a dumb ass joke. Charging him as a terrorist is farking retarded!
 
2012-08-23 10:01:24 AM  

Molavian: For f*ck's sake. Enjoy your world of fear.


What a difference only a few years makes. In the early 2000s we had a NG guy laid out by police at gun point for ruck marching in the streets with full battle rattle and a rubber ducky (rubber training rifle). I believe he was training for ranger school.

It became a minor embarrssment for the police after a lot of national guard guys (who a lot are also cops) defended him, and it became a semi regular habit afterwards for national guard guys to go rucking in the streets with their rubber duckies, sometimes going to schools and using the tracks. People would freak out sometimes and call the cops and the police would have to explain they are allowed to do that. This is also in liberal Connecticut.

I also don't get the "whoooaa this guys drunk" that whatever misunderstanding happens is automatically his fault. So have a couple a beers watching a game I have to be scared shiatless if anything happens it will be "mannn that guy was wasted!!!!". Sorry, when our driving limit is .08 you are going to have to give me a specific bac to get me to give a shiat.

People were talking about the fear and paranoia during the bush years. And to be sure that was the precipice for our modern police state. But if you ask me things have gotten MUCH worse in the last couple years. People get scared shiatless over the littlest things and what used to be a misunderstanding that provoked outrage is now classified as terrorism and scores of people will defend it and remark "but he was drunk! And scary!!!"
 
2012-08-23 10:01:50 AM  

HartRend: We are all totally farked... he was a national guardsman (which is a branch of the state military). How could somebody who signs up to defend his nation (voluntarily) be considered a terrorist? The time has come for them to start using all the terrorist laws against normal everyday citizens... prepare for KGB style enforcement and prosecution of those individuals who get in the government's way. We are on a slippery slope farkers (and America), if this doesn't slow down soon we will slide right in to Hitler"esque" style enforcement of our laws, and Nazi like interpretation of them.


What do you mean, "soon".
 
2012-08-23 10:02:01 AM  
Terrorism charges? Hit him with a misdemeanor with probation and the condition he complete mental health and substance abuse treatment.
 
2012-08-23 10:03:31 AM  

spiral_fishcake: The terrorism charge is not appropriate in the least. Public intoxication at the most. A guy in full gear running down the street is NOT terrorism. Had he been aiming his airsoft gun at kids, possibly firing them, I could agree with terrorism (though it would still be a stretch). This is the same irrational fear that led to a few guys with box cutters hijacking 4 planes and killing a few buildings 11 years ago. Grow a set people!


KIDS!


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YA FIYAD

 
2012-08-23 10:05:19 AM  

ha-ha-guy: So the guy has been deployed in the past and was found in full gear and drunk. I like how we respond to probable PTSD cases by charging them with terrorism now. It seems like you could be less of a dick and start out with public intox or an open carry charge depending on what the local laws support. Then consider your options after he sees a shrink.

/support the troops


I can't "this" this enough. This country needs to take mental ilness much more seriously than we do now. Especially for vets.

If "wandering around wearing military gear" was a symptom of the flu, he wouldn't be charged with anything.

Dude was just doing what he was trained to do. I can't fault him for that.
 
2012-08-23 10:05:42 AM  
Holy hell, write him a citation of Public Intox and drive him home. What a nation of pussies we have become. Mutli-agency terrorism response? Way to create a crisis to justify your funding guys.
 
2012-08-23 10:09:25 AM  
Nation of pussies.
 
2012-08-23 10:09:29 AM  
Good lord.. the guy obviously has some issues, most likely PTSD. The dude served in a war zone.

USA: yellow ribbons on the back of SUVs don't mean shiat if you (and by extension: your justice system) are unwilling to back up your 'support' with action.

Dumbassery? Yes. Terrorism? Really? F*** you.

/former NATO soldier
 
2012-08-23 10:12:58 AM  
Wolverines!
 
2012-08-23 10:13:53 AM  
Hey, does this mean that if a SWAT team doing a no-knock raid scares the neighbors, they're terrorists?

/kinda works for me...
 
2012-08-23 10:14:30 AM  
And he can't even pay his 50$ bail? What a loser haha.
 
2012-08-23 10:17:15 AM  
The guy's f*cked in the head to do something so stupid and it sounds like he was seeking attention, but unless there is other evidence of an intent to engage in a terrorist act, he's being overcharged. Why we have to charge people for every stupid or f*cked up act is beyond me.
 
2012-08-23 10:21:43 AM  
Good thing he wasn't carrying mil-sim paintball stuff, sheesh
 
2012-08-23 10:23:40 AM  
FTFA: "First of all, it is the correct charge. We are aware of it and it is the correct charge under the circumstances. That is not to say that there are not other issues going on with this young man. We are coordinating that between multiple agencies at this point. He was highly intoxicated at the time in addition to this and that gives everybody great cause for concern, especially around children," Games-Neely said.

This coont is the real terrorist.

Dude just got drunk and thought it would be a good idea to throw on his vest, grab an airsoft(!) rifle, and go for a run. He apparently didn't resist arrest, hasn't actually hurt anyone, and I can only assume he's been cooperative. This is pretty tame when it comes to crazy shiat I've seen guys do when PTSD and booze mix. Even if he was just drunk and has no PTSD, it's pretty low on the scale of stupid shiat guys will do when drunk. The only person who was endangered by his actions was himself, and he obviously wasn't intending to scare anyone. That doesn't make it right, and slapping him with a misdemeanor is probably fine. But a farking felony for doing some PT? Christ, people, just because something scares you does not make the person who does it a terrorist.

Police also executed a search warrant at Alemar's residence in Martinsburg and seized more military equipment and a training pistol as evidence.

"OMG THIS GUY HAD MILITARY EQUIPMENT AND WE HAVE TO SEIZE IT BECAUSE IT'S EVIDENCE." Because a member of the military being in possession of military equipment, which was likely issued to them, is now evidence of terrorism. By the way, issued equipment usually has to be returned when you're done with it - he's probably going to be thousands of dollars in the hole because the government stole his shiat.

If convicted of the terrorism charge, Alemar faces one to three years in prison and a $500 to $25,000 fine. He faces two to 10 years in prison if convicted of wearing body armor while committing a felony offense.

Apparently wearing body armor is worse than terrorism, too.


If this guy has PTSD, this is a clear sign that he needs help and we should be thankful that we caught it before someone got hurt. Even if he doesn't have PTSD and he was just being a drunken idiot, he doesn't deserve to have his life ruined over this.
 
2012-08-23 10:28:34 AM  

feckingmorons: I don't see any crimes here


Molavian: For f*ck's sake. Enjoy your world of fear.


GORDON: Peeps need to stop being ninnies I think.


spiral_fishcake: The terrorism charge is not appropriate in the least.


JackieRabbit: Terrorism? They have to be kidding.


Endive Wombat: I cannot fathom how his actions could be considered "terrorist" in nature.


mancer0: Charging him as a terrorist is farking retarded!


PanicMan: This country needs to take mental ilness much more seriously than we do now.


Click Click D'oh: Holy hell, write him a citation of Public Intox and drive him home.


vudukungfu: Nation of pussies.


Aurora, Ft. Bragg, Oklahoma City, Columbine, 9/11 ... "OMFG, why didn't somebody dooooooo something? This is terrible!" Because when people "do something," they get taken to task for overreacting, being scaredy cats, etc. There's no way to win here.

This guy wasn't shot, didn't shoot anybody, and TFA makes it sound like he's finally going to get the psych eval he clearly needs. I'd say this ended pretty well, considering.
 
2012-08-23 10:29:07 AM  
I bet Sergeant Hulka was pissed.
 
2012-08-23 10:31:42 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: This guy wasn't shot, didn't shoot anybody, and TFA makes it sound like he's finally going to get the psych eval he clearly needs. I'd say this ended pretty well, considering.


What world do you live in where someone has to be charged with Terrorism to get a psych eval?

Ended pretty well, considering? Considering what? And ended pretty well as opposed to what? Do they shoot people doing ruck runs where you live?
 
2012-08-23 10:31:45 AM  
A few things. This guy is infantry, so he prolly went to sleep drunk, woke up and started his workout(thus blowing illegal). Second, it is difficult to train for a ruck march without doing a ruck march and guardsmen keeping in shape is a real problem. Third, I don't expect guardsmen to buy pink rubber ducks, pink ruck covers and pink plate carriers so people don't fear them when they train.
 
2012-08-23 10:32:14 AM  
www.gonemovies.com

I remember a time when those Krauts didn't win......keep on running trooper or Capt. Sobel will have your ass!
 
2012-08-23 10:32:53 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: feckingmorons: I don't see any crimes here

Molavian: For f*ck's sake. Enjoy your world of fear.

GORDON: Peeps need to stop being ninnies I think.

spiral_fishcake: The terrorism charge is not appropriate in the least.

JackieRabbit: Terrorism? They have to be kidding.

Endive Wombat: I cannot fathom how his actions could be considered "terrorist" in nature.

mancer0: Charging him as a terrorist is farking retarded!

PanicMan: This country needs to take mental ilness much more seriously than we do now.

Click Click D'oh: Holy hell, write him a citation of Public Intox and drive him home.

vudukungfu: Nation of pussies.

Aurora, Ft. Bragg, Oklahoma City, Columbine, 9/11 ... "OMFG, why didn't somebody dooooooo something? This is terrible!" Because when people "do something," they get taken to task for overreacting, being scaredy cats, etc. There's no way to win here.

This guy wasn't shot, didn't shoot anybody, and TFA makes it sound like he's finally going to get the psych eval he clearly needs. I'd say this ended pretty well, considering.



I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that the cops needed to be called and the situation controlled. It's the legal aftermath that is the issue.
 
2012-08-23 10:42:05 AM  
dnrtfa

are they really charging him with being a terrorist?

that is some sad shiat & i feel bad for that fellow.

also feel bad that we are such a bunch of pussies.

what is the ratio of # of yellow 'support our troops' stickers on backs of cars to the level of quaking terror we as a nation seem to be living with?

i dont' think that last sentence was coherent. it's early.

usa! usa! usa!
 
2012-08-23 10:45:40 AM  

quansem: I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that the cops needed to be called and the situation controlled. It's the legal aftermath that is the issue.


Exactly. There is no issue with the cops hitting with a misdemeanor and perhaps even going as far to search his place and remove any live firearms/training guns due to possible issues with his mental state. Or send over two officers to watch the individual return the equipment to the Guard since the stuff is likely Guard property. However one would assume after he started seeing a shrink that misdemeanor charge would just get dropped and once the shrink gave all the clear the guns, body armor, and everything could be given back.

If he refuses to see a shrink, blows off his appointments, or the like then I think most people would also be fine with the courts reviewing the incident and forcing him to make use of mental health services. Basically the public intox is just a little tracking tag. If he gets help it can go away, if he refuses and continues to act crazy then we can stack on charges on him and use those charges as grounds to send him to a mental treatment facility for a time.

Or if it turns out he's just a shiathead who got drunk and did this to screw with people, then nail him with a bunch of misdemeanors that result in fines and community service. We'll see how funny he thinks it is when he's cleaning up piss bottles on the side of the interstate.
 
2012-08-23 10:46:26 AM  
Maybe if mental health was on par with general health and didn't have such a stigma to it, shiat like this would stop happening.
 
2012-08-23 10:46:38 AM  

Ed Finnerty: As far as "things done when drunk" goes, this is pretty minor.


Did you see what they charging him with?

50,000 bail on top of that, he could be looking at spending a the next 40 years in a jail cell. What the hell?
 
2012-08-23 10:48:15 AM  
As a member of the VA national guard, I am not getting a kick.

Though I don't see the problem.

Running in full gear is a great way to train. Those ceramic plates add a good deal of weight. And you are supposed to train like you fight. And what if you are sitting in your hooch getting drunk off your ass when an attack comes? You have to be ready to deal with that shiat.

People need to stop living in fear. In fact, VA allows for open carry. Why are people freaking out over a dude trotting down the street with a rifle? He wasn't pointing it at anyone going "pew pew pew"

I just have one question...what the fark is a patrolman first class?
 
2012-08-23 10:49:19 AM  
Know the dude. He is well liked, but obviously needs a little help. Everybody in the area thinks this is just an attempt by the Prosecuting Attorney to get some "spotlight" time. Seems to be working. Probably not the way she hoped though.
 
2012-08-23 10:53:37 AM  

DrSticky: A few things. This guy is infantry, so he prolly went to sleep drunk, woke up and started his workout(thus blowing illegal). Second, it is difficult to train for a ruck march without doing a ruck march and guardsmen keeping in shape is a real problem. Third, I don't expect guardsmen to buy pink rubber ducks, pink ruck covers and pink plate carriers so people don't fear them when they train.


That's interesting, and I'm sure you are right. All pink gear and it would have been treated as a joke, although you could easily paint the real gear pink, gun and all.
 
2012-08-23 10:54:08 AM  

quansem: Fuggin Bizzy: feckingmorons: I don't see any crimes here

Molavian: For f*ck's sake. Enjoy your world of fear.

GORDON: Peeps need to stop being ninnies I think.

spiral_fishcake: The terrorism charge is not appropriate in the least.

JackieRabbit: Terrorism? They have to be kidding.

Endive Wombat: I cannot fathom how his actions could be considered "terrorist" in nature.

mancer0: Charging him as a terrorist is farking retarded!

PanicMan: This country needs to take mental ilness much more seriously than we do now.

Click Click D'oh: Holy hell, write him a citation of Public Intox and drive him home.

vudukungfu: Nation of pussies.

Aurora, Ft. Bragg, Oklahoma City, Columbine, 9/11 ... "OMFG, why didn't somebody dooooooo something? This is terrible!" Because when people "do something," they get taken to task for overreacting, being scaredy cats, etc. There's no way to win here.

This guy wasn't shot, didn't shoot anybody, and TFA makes it sound like he's finally going to get the psych eval he clearly needs. I'd say this ended pretty well, considering.


I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that the cops needed to be called and the situation controlled. It's the legal aftermath that is the issue.


In the great state of California, it is a felony simply to own body armor. Wearing it or using it for a crime is not required. There are exemptions for certain occupations, however.
 
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