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2012-08-23 09:01:19 AM
The great snatch? Really?

In other news, Babylon looks like a fun place.
 
2012-08-23 09:02:05 AM
I remember this dreck from that time period.........wow

One of the reasons why I quit going to church for years (along with the hypocrisy)
 
2012-08-23 09:02:51 AM
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SCIENCE!
 
2012-08-23 09:03:51 AM
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As a 7-8 year old kid, I used to think she was a hottie..........guess I wasnt getting the message at the time
 
2012-08-23 09:09:13 AM

Publikwerks: [img.gawkerassets.com image 591x204]
SCIENCE!


Wait, I just realize.... does that mean you can defeat Christ with shaped explosives, like the ones used in nuclear weapons?

Should I be worshiping these explosives, or their manufacturer? Will there be different denominations, like one branch to worship 3m, and one to worship Du Pont?

Damn, religion is hard.
 
2012-08-23 09:11:19 AM
Jack Kirby's Archie's The New Christs.
 
2012-08-23 09:12:37 AM
I think my favorite part!!!

Was how every sentence!!!

Ended with unnecessary!!!

Exclamation points!!!

/!!!
/!!!
 
2012-08-23 09:19:44 AM
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So this is sayin when satan butt rapes you it is not only fun but makes you popular. Archie is such a square
 
2012-08-23 09:20:58 AM

Publikwerks: Publikwerks: [img.gawkerassets.com image 591x204]
SCIENCE!

Wait, I just realize.... does that mean you can defeat Christ with shaped explosives, like the ones used in nuclear weapons?

Should I be worshiping these explosives, or their manufacturer? Will there be different denominations, like one branch to worship 3m, and one to worship Du Pont?

Damn, religion is hard.


A little of both I think cache.io9.com
 
2012-08-23 09:22:02 AM

Dead for Tax Reasons: [img.gawkerassets.com image 300x384]

So this is sayin when satan butt rapes you it is not only fun but makes you popular. Archie is such a square


So, according to this, Satan is not only a power-top... but will set your life on fire?

Got it, makes perfect sense. Sounds like a fun Tuesday night actually...
 
2012-08-23 09:24:14 AM
i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-23 09:36:38 AM
I took a look at the Spire website. What is up with all the busty, full-lipped young women in short skirts? Artist trying to imply that if you're Godly you'll get hooked up with sexy wimmenz?

I imagine there were some very confused young readers spanking it while learning about Jesus. A lot of spires being pitched in pants.

i154.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-23 09:54:24 AM

killro: I think my favorite part!!!

Was how every sentence!!!

Ended with unnecessary!!!

Exclamation points!!!

/!!!
/!!!


That was actually a comic industry-wide thing back in the old days. IIRC, they used exclamation points instead of periods because they were afraid the periods would accidentally be mistaken for a piece of dirt and removed from the art sent to the printers... or something like that.
 
2012-08-23 09:58:10 AM
We've come a long way...

media.comicvine.com
 
2012-08-23 10:02:19 AM

Egalitarian: I took a look at the Spire website. What is up with all the busty, full-lipped young women in short skirts? Artist trying to imply that if you're Godly you'll get hooked up with sexy wimmenz?


YES
 
2012-08-23 10:18:46 AM

Publikwerks: [img.gawkerassets.com image 591x204]
SCIENCE!


Ah yes, the classic "I don't understand the Strong Nuclear Force, therefore Jesus" apologetic.

Fun fact: This same line of reasoning was used as the "gotcha" argument of the classic Chick tract "Big Daddy;" the evil liberal biology professor was forced to realize that science was wrong because he couldn't explain particle physics to the perky creationist student in his class.

...Then, some 10-15 years after the original publication of the tract, someone managed to convince Jack that physicists actually had a non-supernatural explanation for why atomic nuclei held together. The revised version of "Big Daddy" has the evil professor explaining that gluons hold together atomic nuclei, and the plucky creationist explaining that gluons have never been directly observed, therefore they're probably just a myth, therefore Jesus holds atoms together. 

/ Evangelistic comics are fun
 
2012-08-23 11:29:48 AM

Publikwerks: Publikwerks: [img.gawkerassets.com image 591x204]
SCIENCE!

Wait, I just realize.... does that mean you can defeat Christ with shaped explosives, like the ones used in nuclear weapons?

Should I be worshiping these explosives, or their manufacturer? Will there be different denominations, like one branch to worship 3m, and one to worship Du Pont?

Damn, religion is hard.


http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Church_of_the_Children_of_Atom

Answers?
 
2012-08-23 11:32:42 AM
I grew up on these comics, especially this one featured here. Chick tracts too. We watched a lot of 700 Club and CBN in our house in the 70's and 80's. I was pretty messed up about the reality of the world by the time I was a teenager. I was constantly terrified that I would be left behind and I wouldn't get "raptured". I thought everyone who was not a christian was going to hell. It was not a good time for me, but I got away from it and dumped that mentality when I got older. My parents were not amused.

From this experience and from being around the Military people I saw around my family, it would seem that we have a lot of people in authority positions (and trying to get into higher authority) who actually believe in the mind-fark these comics are selling. And especially this ideaology.

Sleep tight.
 
2012-08-23 11:36:27 AM
Grew up spending summers hanging out in a Christian bookstore. Read Hal Lindsey, tons of Spire comics and Chick tracks. I was a voracious reader and had nothing better to do. Lemme tell you, that stuff can warp your mind in the wost way without other balancing influences. Luckily I also started reading the Dune trilogy at the time and it was a nice counter point. If nothing else it gives me a good view into the mindset of the current crop of fundamentalists moving the Republican party further and further away from the mainstream.

Fundamentalist/TBN influences in junior high + college with broader experiences and knowledge + SCIENCE! = agnostic.

/Spire comics are still a fun read, if nothing else for the WTF are you thinking?
//Don't get me started on Jack Chick.
///Hansi is my hero!
 
2012-08-23 11:38:16 AM

fiddle-faddle: I grew up on these comics, especially this one featured here. Chick tracts too. We watched a lot of 700 Club and CBN in our house in the 70's and 80's. I was pretty messed up about the reality of the world by the time I was a teenager. I was constantly terrified that I would be left behind and I wouldn't get "raptured". I thought everyone who was not a christian was going to hell. It was not a good time for me, but I got away from it and dumped that mentality when I got older. My parents were not amused.

From this experience and from being around the Military people I saw around my family, it would seem that we have a lot of people in authority positions (and trying to get into higher authority) who actually believe in the mind-fark these comics are selling. And especially this ideaology.

Sleep tight.


You too? Wow, we should found a support group. It was TBN in our house, I think we didn't trust Jim and Tammy Fay, but Paul and Jan were teh awesome.

And yes, the Dominionists are very very scary people.
 
2012-08-23 11:40:34 AM

kroonermanblack: Publikwerks: Publikwerks: [img.gawkerassets.com image 591x204]
SCIENCE!

Wait, I just realize.... does that mean you can defeat Christ with shaped explosives, like the ones used in nuclear weapons?

Should I be worshiping these explosives, or their manufacturer? Will there be different denominations, like one branch to worship 3m, and one to worship Du Pont?

Damn, religion is hard.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Church_of_the_Children_of_Atom

Answers?


Well, makes about as much sense as Scientology or Christianity....
 
2012-08-23 11:44:39 AM

fiddle-faddle: I was pretty messed up about the reality of the world by the time I was a teenager. I was constantly terrified that I would be left behind and I wouldn't get "raptured".


wraithmare: Lemme tell you, that stuff can warp your mind in the wost way without other balancing influences.


So, discussion question: How many people did you know growing up who have stories about times they thought they missed the Rapture? You know, like your parents go across the street to talk to a neighbor without telling you, and you can't find them in the house, so your first thought is that they've been taken to heaven along with everyone else you know leaving you all alone to deal with the end of the world?

Happened to me a couple times when I was 7-8. Funny in retrospect, but still a pretty horrible thing to put in a kid's brain.
 
2012-08-23 11:47:40 AM

Martian_Astronomer: fiddle-faddle: I was pretty messed up about the reality of the world by the time I was a teenager. I was constantly terrified that I would be left behind and I wouldn't get "raptured".

wraithmare: Lemme tell you, that stuff can warp your mind in the wost way without other balancing influences.

So, discussion question: How many people did you know growing up who have stories about times they thought they missed the Rapture? You know, like your parents go across the street to talk to a neighbor without telling you, and you can't find them in the house, so your first thought is that they've been taken to heaven along with everyone else you know leaving you all alone to deal with the end of the world?

Happened to me a couple times when I was 7-8. Funny in retrospect, but still a pretty horrible thing to put in a kid's brain.


Once that I remember. Yeah, it's a really bizarre mindset for a kid to be in, mostly because the authority figures you trust are telling you how the world works and what will happen. It's also a self-reinforcing mindset because their media sources are telling them their world view is the right one and anything else will send you to hell.
 
2012-08-23 12:00:48 PM

Martian_Astronomer: fiddle-faddle: I was pretty messed up about the reality of the world by the time I was a teenager. I was constantly terrified that I would be left behind and I wouldn't get "raptured".

wraithmare: Lemme tell you, that stuff can warp your mind in the wost way without other balancing influences.

So, discussion question: How many people did you know growing up who have stories about times they thought they missed the Rapture? You know, like your parents go across the street to talk to a neighbor without telling you, and you can't find them in the house, so your first thought is that they've been taken to heaven along with everyone else you know leaving you all alone to deal with the end of the world?

Happened to me a couple times when I was 7-8. Funny in retrospect, but still a pretty horrible thing to put in a kid's brain.


WOW! I experienced the exact same thing, I was about the same age too! I went into a complete panic attack. I thought that I was left behind, when in fact my parents were next door. That story gets either laughs or looks of horror depending on who hears it.

I had nightmares about this all the time too. Either it was me getting left behind, or me getting raptured but my family and friends not coming and being thrown into hell.

Recently I became a father. My son will never know this sort of fear or be exposed to this kind of psychological abuse. He'll probably run into a lot of fear and stress in his life, but he will be better off than I was in dealing with the world.
 
2012-08-23 12:08:30 PM

wraithmare: Once that I remember.


fiddle-faddle: WOW! I experienced the exact same thing, I was about the same age too!


My general, non-scientific experience has been that "thinking I missed the rapture" panic attacks are ridiculously common among kids who grow up in those strains of fundamentalism. If you talk to a person who grew up hearing about pre-millenial dispensationalist eschatology in church every week, then if this didn't happen to them directly, they at least know people a few who did flip out thinking they missed the Jesus bus.
 
2012-08-23 12:25:22 PM
Spire comics bring back a lot of memories. I led a sheltered, Southern Baptist existence as a child.
 
2012-08-23 12:46:39 PM
thewowjonesreport.files.wordpress.com

Meeting God during Rapture.
 
2012-08-23 12:48:22 PM

wraithmare: fiddle-faddle: I grew up on these comics, especially this one featured here. Chick tracts too. We watched a lot of 700 Club and CBN in our house in the 70's and 80's. I was pretty messed up about the reality of the world by the time I was a teenager. I was constantly terrified that I would be left behind and I wouldn't get "raptured". I thought everyone who was not a christian was going to hell. It was not a good time for me, but I got away from it and dumped that mentality when I got older. My parents were not amused.

From this experience and from being around the Military people I saw around my family, it would seem that we have a lot of people in authority positions (and trying to get into higher authority) who actually believe in the mind-fark these comics are selling. And especially this ideaology.

Sleep tight.

You too? Wow, we should found a support group. It was TBN in our house, I think we didn't trust Jim and Tammy Fay, but Paul and Jan were teh awesome.

And yes, the Dominionists are very very scary people.


Yep. Mom was the 700 Club freak, my Dad was very christian but wasn't really into all the Pat Robertson stuff.
Oddly, they thought Jim & Tammy were tacky, TBN wasn't their bag either.

Lot's of childhood exposure to the TV evangelicals and christian music. I have been to the 700 Club Studios in VA Beach. I've met Benny Hinn, Rex Humbard Jr., recording artists Mike Warnke, Steve Taylor and Phil Keaggy. I liked Phil.
 
2012-08-23 12:58:22 PM

Martian_Astronomer: So, discussion question: How many people did you know growing up who have stories about times they thought they missed the Rapture?


This...is actually a thing? Holy fark, every time I think I have gotten a pretty good grasp on the effects of religious indoctrination and am able to comfortably put it into the camp of "mostly harmless", I learn of something like this that causes me to make a complete reevaluation. I think now I'm back in the camp of religious indoctrination being akin to child abuse.

/raised Catholic, agnostic by 16-17, firmly atheist now in my 30s
 
2012-08-23 01:06:42 PM

Egalitarian: I took a look at the Spire website. What is up with all the busty, full-lipped young women in short skirts? Artist trying to imply that if you're Godly you'll get hooked up with sexy wimmenz?

I imagine there were some very confused young readers spanking it while learning about Jesus. A lot of spires being pitched in pants.

[i154.photobucket.com image 456x458]


It's called "Flirty Fishing" and has been used by religious types for centuries.
 
2012-08-23 01:15:21 PM

Lone Stranger: [thewowjonesreport.files.wordpress.com image 350x235]

Meeting God during Rapture.


A man with serious questions about The Rapture
 
2012-08-23 01:34:54 PM

StrangeQ: This...is actually a thing? Holy fark, every time I think I have gotten a pretty good grasp on the effects of religious indoctrination and am able to comfortably put it into the camp of "mostly harmless", I learn of something like this that causes me to make a complete reevaluation.


Frankly, when it comes to ways I've seen people hurt by fundamentalist religion, I wouldn't even put "My mom got Raptured and I didn't" panic attacks in the top 3. Probably not even the top 5. If I had to pick a "favorite" story, I guess it would be how, before I left religion altogether, I used to date a young woman who had an eating disorder. It wasn't something they advertised, but the group we participated in was pretty crazy-serious, and with some regularity we'd be encouraged to engage in fasting as a spiritual discipline. ("Fasting" was good, you see, but eating disorders were still a symptom of not being close enough to Jesus.)

I still get pretty angry thinking about that one.
 
2012-08-23 01:51:28 PM
Christian here. Most folks may not be interested in this viewpoint, but here goes...

I was exposed to a lot of the end-times speculation growing up, like this comic in the original link. Most of this speculation is either (a) inconsistent with what the Bible actually says (meaning the Bible actually contradicts it directly) or (b) is a very big jump from what it does say, and (c) this conjecture is presented as a Biblical truth, when it isn't necessarily, and (d) is harmful (doesn't make you a better Christian, instead creates confusion and anxiety).

The idea of parents being raptured but children left behind - yes I was taught this too but as an adult I understand this concept is totally not connected to the Bible. No where does it say in the Bible that this will happen, or for that matter does it even hint that something like this will happen.This was just one of many ideas made up by end-times "experts", too easily swallowed by undescerning Christians who don't know their Bible well enough.

Calling this kind of literature 'science-fiction' is perhaps appropriate.
 
2012-08-23 02:33:06 PM

PonceAlyosha: Jack Kirby's Archie's The New Christs.


OK that's just awesome.
 
2012-08-23 03:18:06 PM

fiddle-faddle: wraithmare: fiddle-faddle: I grew up on these comics, especially this one featured here. Chick tracts too. We watched a lot of 700 Club and CBN in our house in the 70's and 80's. I was pretty messed up about the reality of the world by the time I was a teenager. I was constantly terrified that I would be left behind and I wouldn't get "raptured". I thought everyone who was not a christian was going to hell. It was not a good time for me, but I got away from it and dumped that mentality when I got older. My parents were not amused.

From this experience and from being around the Military people I saw around my family, it would seem that we have a lot of people in authority positions (and trying to get into higher authority) who actually believe in the mind-fark these comics are selling. And especially this ideaology.

Sleep tight.

You too? Wow, we should found a support group. It was TBN in our house, I think we didn't trust Jim and Tammy Fay, but Paul and Jan were teh awesome.

And yes, the Dominionists are very very scary people.

Yep. Mom was the 700 Club freak, my Dad was very christian but wasn't really into all the Pat Robertson stuff.
Oddly, they thought Jim & Tammy were tacky, TBN wasn't their bag either.

Lot's of childhood exposure to the TV evangelicals and christian music. I have been to the 700 Club Studios in VA Beach. I've met Benny Hinn, Rex Humbard Jr., recording artists Mike Warnke, Steve Taylor and Phil Keaggy. I liked Phil.


Fun! I liked Steve Taylor's music a lot and thought he was quite funny regardless of the message. Plus the videos were fun. Mike Warnke on the other hand, is a different story. I owned his albums, found him very funny and read "Satan Seller". Then the story broke a few years ago by Christian magazines that not only did his background not check out, he pretty much lied about everything.

People wonder why there is a concern about radical Christians in the US. Fundamentalists claim it's an attack upon their faith or they are the minority. Well, it is to some extent. The modern radical Christian approach to faith is so far out of the mainstream concept of Christianity (see Dominionism, that's Chick-fil-A and Hobby Lobby for the layman) yet is surprising common in red states. For people wondering why atheists and others are writing critical articles of the Christian faith, they aren't criticizing Christianity in general, they are criticizing the radicalization of it. I come from a background of a more radical view of Christianity. As there are "recovering" Catholics (more thanks to the Pope and church leaders handling of pedophiles) there are more and more recovering fundamentalists. There is a political agenda to the more radical groups efforts and they are dangerous.

I have no problem with faith, church, and helping your community. When you have an organized effort to impose your religious views on others, then I have a problem. Also, you're screwing up your children and making them damaged. See the Quiverfull movement and people who have escaped that batch of craziness.
 
2012-08-23 03:33:42 PM

2CountyFairs: The great snatch? Really?

In other news, Babylon looks like a fun place.


I will only refer to the rapture as The Great Snatch amongst my church going friends from now on.
 
2012-08-24 10:13:29 PM

fiddle-faddle: I grew up on these comics, especially this one featured here. Chick tracts too. We watched a lot of 700 Club and CBN in our house in the 70's and 80's. I was pretty messed up about the reality of the world by the time I was a teenager. I was constantly terrified that I would be left behind and I wouldn't get "raptured". I thought everyone who was not a christian was going to hell. It was not a good time for me, but I got away from it and dumped that mentality when I got older. My parents were not amused.

From this experience and from being around the Military people I saw around my family, it would seem that we have a lot of people in authority positions (and trying to get into higher authority) who actually believe in the mind-fark these comics are selling. And especially this ideaology.

Sleep tight.


Oh my goodness...you just described my childhood. The Chick tract that scared me to death was the one where the girl took LSD, hallucinated that her face was melting and then died. (at least I think she died)

/escaped when I got older, too
//fundie parents were also not amused
 
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