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2012-08-22 08:09:47 PM  
"Szabo said he believed sheriffs are given enormous authority under his interpretation of the Constitution. When pressed about what he would do if a prosecutor declined to charge a doctor he arrested, he said the answer was simple.

"If they choose not to do their duty and uphold the Constitution," Szabo said, "they can be brought up on charges before what's called a citizen's grand jury, which is something that's not that common in the United States. But again, it is something based in common law that's within the purview of the county sheriff."



So, what's a sovereign citizen doing trying to work for "the law"? I thought they hated those guys.
 
2012-08-22 08:12:42 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: "Szabo said he believed sheriffs are given enormous authority under his interpretation of the Constitution. When pressed about what he would do if a prosecutor declined to charge a doctor he arrested, he said the answer was simple.

"If they choose not to do their duty and uphold the Constitution," Szabo said, "they can be brought up on charges before what's called a citizen's grand jury, which is something that's not that common in the United States. But again, it is something based in common law that's within the purview of the county sheriff."


So, what's a sovereign citizen doing trying to work for "the law"? I thought they hated those guys.


Standard Republican policy: prove government is bad by breaking it themselves.
 
2012-08-22 08:14:10 PM  
Why do I feel like Republicans are planning for a civil war?
 
2012-08-22 08:16:07 PM  

Bontesla: Why do I feel like Republicans are planning for a civil war?


Because they have the NRA on their side, and think that Democrats don't own guns.
 
2012-08-22 08:16:15 PM  

Bontesla: Why do I feel like Republicans are planning for a civil war?


Well, there is that crazy ass judge in TX who claims he'll personally stand in front of his podunk town to stop the pending UN invasion force.
 
2012-08-22 08:17:17 PM  

Bontesla: Why do I feel like Republicans are planning for a civil war?


Well, they're openly saying they are, so there's that.
 
2012-08-22 08:20:13 PM  
Holy shiat. This sick bastard just said he'd commit premeditated, 1st degree murder of a physician for performing a legal medical procedure and committing NO CRIME.

What the fark is wrong with this country?

Seriously, America. What the fark is wrong with you?
 
2012-08-22 08:24:33 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Holy shiat. This sick bastard just said he'd commit premeditated, 1st degree murder of a physician for performing a legal medical procedure and committing NO CRIME.

What the fark is wrong with this country?

Seriously, America. What the fark is wrong with you?


The root cause seems to be Christianity.
 
2012-08-22 08:27:09 PM  
Well, that there is a nutbar and a half.
 
2012-08-22 08:28:27 PM  
Wow. What voter could resist such a compelling argument. Because it's not burglars and rapists that are a threat to law and order, it's doctors performing abortions.
 
2012-08-22 08:30:24 PM  
He clarified it did not apply to cases in which the mother's life was in danger. "That's a medical decision. That's out of the area I'm talking about," he said.

Well, then never mind. Perfectly sane and rational. Carry on, sir!
 
2012-08-22 08:32:10 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Bontesla: Why do I feel like Republicans are planning for a civil war?

Because they have the NRA on their side, and think that Democrats don't own guns.


Or gay people.
 
2012-08-22 08:32:42 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Bontesla: Why do I feel like Republicans are planning for a civil war?

Because they have the NRA on their side, and think that Democrats don't own guns.


i47.tinypic.com

"Who needs guns?"

i49.tinypic.com

 
2012-08-22 08:45:13 PM  
Republicans have become the classic example of those morons who resort to threats of violence simply because they are just too rock-sucking stupid to solve their problems like normal, adult human beings.

They're bullies. The only problem is that, since they are so outmatched in every aspect of their lives and lack the intellectual wherewithal to better their situations, everyone is laughing at them. And, what happens when people laugh at bullies?

They get angry.

Then they get really funny.

And dangerous.

But mostly really funny.
 
2012-08-22 08:46:31 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: don't own guns.


Not a single one. Nope. None here. Won't even allow the cats to have wrist rockets.
 
2012-08-22 08:49:32 PM  
I will forward this off to my sister and her lawyer husband (who has offices in Manchester and Boston) to unleash some whoopass on this guy.

/She was a big fundraiser for the dems in her day when she lived in Concord
//had both Kerry and Gore at her house for dinner
 
2012-08-22 08:57:39 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Bontesla: Why do I feel like Republicans are planning for a civil war?

Because they have the NRA on their side, and think that Democrats don't own guns.



most of the people I know with huge caches of guns are Republicans. Most of the people I know who I'd trust to know which end of gun to point at the bad guys in a crisis? almost to a person, democrats (including the Vietnam vets and Navy SEALs I know personally)
 
2012-08-22 09:08:05 PM  
if you kill somebody who is performing a legal and constitutionally protected act, i believe that's called murder.
 
2012-08-22 09:11:54 PM  

FlashHarry: if you kill somebody who is performing a legal and constitutionally protected act, i believe that's called murder.


I'm pretty too. Also, I think these doctors are heroes for what they do. Hopefully, 50 years from now people will be naming schools after them. Seriously.
 
2012-08-22 09:12:29 PM  

mrshowrules: FlashHarry: if you kill somebody who is performing a legal and constitutionally protected act, i believe that's called murder.

I'm pretty too. Also, I think these doctors are heroes for what they do. Hopefully, 50 years from now people will be naming schools after them. Seriously.


pretty-sure

/good weed
 
2012-08-22 09:14:20 PM  

GAT_00: The root cause seems to be Christianity Evangelicalism and Prosperity Gospel.


Small, but important, edit. There are good Christians out there. See Obama.
 
2012-08-22 09:18:30 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: "Szabo said he believed sheriffs are given enormous authority under his interpretation of the Constitution. When pressed about what he would do if a prosecutor declined to charge a doctor he arrested, he said the answer was simple.

"If they choose not to do their duty and uphold the Constitution," Szabo said, "they can be brought up on charges before what's called a citizen's grand jury, which is something that's not that common in the United States. But again, it is something based in common law that's within the purview of the county sheriff."


So, what's a sovereign citizen doing trying to work for "the law"? I thought they hated those guys.


They tend to only really recognize the county as the highest level of government and the sheriff as the highest legal authority.
 
2012-08-22 09:19:49 PM  
"I had a cousin who, she is a registered nurse and the stories she told me about people coming in there and having babies just so they could get more on their food stamps and more on their welfare. It's like no, I don't want to take care of those people."

You just can't compete with anecdotal evidence. She had a cousin! I hope the poor soul is in Heaven.
 
2012-08-22 09:20:38 PM  

djkutch: "I had a cousin who, she is a registered nurse and the stories she told me about people coming in there and having babies just so they could get more on their food stamps and more on their welfare. It's like no, I don't want to take care of those people."

You just can't compete with anecdotal evidence. She had a cousin! I hope the poor soul is in Heaven.


Oops. Wrong thread. Palin is president.
 
2012-08-22 09:22:15 PM  

djkutch: GAT_00: The root cause seems to be Christianity Evangelicalism and Prosperity Gospel.

Small, but important, edit. There are good Christians out there. See Obama.


I'm not saying that Christianity as a whole, but the root of what these people are doing is out of Christianity. That's the core of all of these problems. And the Prosperity Gospel had to come from somewhere.
 
2012-08-22 09:22:25 PM  
talkingpointsmemo.com
I will protect the sanctity of life even if it means I have to execute every last motherfarking one of you!
 
2012-08-22 09:25:43 PM  

Karac: [talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]
I will protect the sanctity of life even if it means I have to execute every last motherfarking one of you!


His head/skin look like partially stuffed sausage casing.
 
2012-08-22 09:25:45 PM  

GAT_00: And the Prosperity Gospel had to come from somewhere.


The Prosperity Gospel can be accurately described as Theological Objectivism.
 
2012-08-22 09:28:21 PM  
"Szabo said he doesn't have any background in law enforcement, but he said his business background gives him the experience to run for the position of sheriff."

Gee, who else is running on the strength of his business background?

"Szabo maintains that the county sheriff is a position that doesn't answer to any other public official."

So does Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

"Republican House Speaker Bill O'Brien called on Szabo to quit the race in light of his statements."

It does my heart good to see Republican leaders having to smack down their craziest candidates every other day.
 
2012-08-22 09:29:34 PM  

GAT_00: And the Prosperity Gospel had to come from somewhere.


It did. It was blended with objectivism. It was the only way to absorb Ayn Rand's atheism.

Liberation theology doesn't see eye to eye.
 
2012-08-22 09:31:13 PM  

GAT_00: djkutch: GAT_00: The root cause seems to be Christianity Evangelicalism and Prosperity Gospel.

Small, but important, edit. There are good Christians out there. See Obama.

I'm not saying that Christianity as a whole, but the root of what these people are doing is out of Christianity. That's the core of all of these problems. And the Prosperity Gospel had to come from somewhere.


It comes from hubris, which is not a Christian virtue.
 
2012-08-22 09:35:48 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: djkutch: GAT_00: The root cause seems to be Christianity Evangelicalism and Prosperity Gospel.

Small, but important, edit. There are good Christians out there. See Obama.

I'm not saying that Christianity as a whole, but the root of what these people are doing is out of Christianity. That's the core of all of these problems. And the Prosperity Gospel had to come from somewhere.

It comes from hubris, which is not a Christian virtue.


It pre-dates Christian virtue. Keeping women under you thumb goes way back.
 
2012-08-22 09:46:16 PM  
He needs to get together with that judge in Lubbock, Texas so we don't have spend extra money on prosecution.
 
2012-08-22 09:46:56 PM  
Where did he say he would use lethal force?
 
2012-08-22 09:53:32 PM  

impaler: Where did he say he would use lethal force?


Agreed. Guns aren't really special anymore. I hope this Sheriff is a stalker with a bow.
 
2012-08-22 09:54:34 PM  

impaler: Where did he say he would use lethal force?


RTFA.

In an interview on Wednesday with local television station WMUR, Szabo said he believed sheriffs were granted special powers under the Constitution. That means, he said, he would be empowered to arrest or even use deadly force against doctors for providing legal abortions for women.

English, muthufarker, do you speak it?
 
2012-08-22 10:00:20 PM  

impaler: Where did he say he would use lethal force?


They don't need to do that. They just pull you over and drop dope behind your seat.
 
2012-08-22 10:03:24 PM  

impaler: Where did he say he would use lethal force?


The original interview that is linked in the TFA:

But Szabo may have inflamed the issue further when asked if he would use deadly force to prevent an abortion.

"I would respond specifically by saying that if someone is under threat, a full-grown human being, if they're under threat, what should the sheriff do? Everything in their power to prevent them from being harmed," he said.


I wish it had a verbatim quote of the actual question asked, but it seems pretty clear he would definitely not rule it out.
 
2012-08-22 10:19:58 PM  
Is it time to divide up the country yet?
 
2012-08-22 10:21:42 PM  

Ambivalence: That means, he said, he would be empowered to arrest or even use deadly force against doctors for providing legal abortions for women.

English, muthufarker, do you speak it?


Yes. I also know how quotations work.

Sgt Otter: But Szabo may have inflamed the issue further when asked if he would use deadly force to prevent an abortion.

"I would respond specifically by saying that if someone is under threat, a full-grown human being, if they're under threat, what should the sheriff do? Everything in their power to prevent them from being harmed," he said.


That's far from "would kill doctors who perform abortions." No reason to exaggerate on this issue.

Don't interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake.
 
2012-08-22 10:24:20 PM  

Frederick: Is it time to divide up the country yet?


Yes

/and forced relocations
 
2012-08-22 10:36:00 PM  
first the activist judge and now this guy.

fark it all. I wish I had the means to just up and move to Canada. this country is doomed
 
2012-08-22 10:42:07 PM  

GAT_00: I'm not saying that Christianity as a whole, but the root of what these people are doing is out of Christianity. That's the core of all of these problems.


...no, I'm pretty sure Christianity is just another symptom of the common cause underlying cognitive defects. I think it's some basic confusion about the relationship of language and reality.
 
2012-08-22 10:43:56 PM  

Hobodeluxe: first the activist judge and now this guy.

fark it all. I wish I had the means to just up and move to Canada. this country is doomed


If you do go, please send back Poutine. :D
 
2012-08-22 10:47:12 PM  
Keep on associating with these type of people Republicans, please, pretty please.
 
2012-08-22 10:47:50 PM  

impaler: Ambivalence: That means, he said, he would be empowered to arrest or even use deadly force against doctors for providing legal abortions for women.

English, muthufarker, do you speak it?

Yes. I also know how quotations work.


Do you know how links work? Like the one from the 2nd paragraph of the article. It's got a video of him speaking:

starting around 0:30
Interviewer: You would do whatever it took to stop that from happening.
Idiot: Absolutely
Interviewer: Deadly force?
Idiot: Well, I would hope that it wouldn't come to that as with any situation where someone is in danger but again specifically talking about elective abortions and late term abortions that is an act that needs to be stopped.
 
2012-08-22 10:50:13 PM  

impaler: Yes. I also know how quotations work.

"I would respond specifically by saying that if someone is under threat, a full-grown human being, if they're under threat, what should the sheriff do? Everything in their power to prevent them from being harmed," he said.

That's far from "would kill doctors who perform abortions." No reason to exaggerate on this issue.

Don't interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake.


Okay, we have two quotes that are directly opposed to each other. Pray tell, under what circumstances would a "full grown human being" be under threat by a doctor performing an abortion. He specificly said he would "he would be empowered to arrest or even use deadly force against doctors for providing legal abortions for women." Not for threatening women. Not for threatening the lives of "full grown human beings". For performing abortions. The exerpt you quote in no way negates or nullifies the assertion of the exerpt I quoted. They are literally about two completely different subjects.
 
2012-08-22 11:00:28 PM  
You know, I always kind of feel guilty painting with a broad brush. I'm from a conservative family and I have friends of the Tea Party variety who are by and large good decent people. But god damn are some of these people warped in the head.
 
2012-08-22 11:09:56 PM  

impaler: That's far from "would kill doctors who perform abortions." No reason to exaggerate on this issue.


Interviewer: Deadly force?
Idiot: Well, I would hope that it wouldn't come to that as with any situation where someone is in danger but again specifically talking about elective abortions and late term abortions that is an act that needs to be stopped.

That means it could come to that. He just hopes it won't. There is no rational way to read that other than yes, I would kill a doctor to stop an elective abortion if I had to. That is exactly what he is saying. Don't whitewash it. He really is saying that.
 
2012-08-22 11:16:08 PM  
Yeah, but there was once this Democrat who said this dumb thing, so...both sides are bad
 
2012-08-22 11:32:56 PM  

Karac: Do you know how links work? Like the one from the 2nd paragraph of the article. It's got a video of him speaking:

starting around 0:30
Interviewer: You would do whatever it took to stop that from happening.
Idiot: Absolutely
Interviewer: Deadly force?
Idiot: Well, I would hope that it wouldn't come to that as with any situation where someone is in danger but again specifically talking about elective abortions and late term abortions that is an act that needs to be stopped.


Ok. I stand corrected.
 
2012-08-22 11:55:20 PM  

abb3w: GAT_00: I'm not saying that Christianity as a whole, but the root of what these people are doing is out of Christianity. That's the core of all of these problems.

...no, I'm pretty sure Christianity is just another symptom of the common cause underlying cognitive defects. I think it's some basic confusion about the relationship of language and reality.


The GOP doesn't get elected on fiscal policy. They get elected because they spout lies loosely based on the Bible.
 
2012-08-23 12:05:12 AM  
One thing I'll say for this guy: at least he's consistent. If you truly believe that abortion is murder, that is.
 
2012-08-23 12:27:12 AM  
Your preference for either pro-life or pro-choice does not matter in this case. What he said was very wrong, and we should all be scared that one who may have power could do such a thing without punishment.

You better hope this guy does not get elected. He has a power hungry mean streak about him
 
2012-08-23 12:37:33 AM  

fusillade762: One thing I'll say for this guy: at least he's consistent. If you truly believe that abortion is murder, that is.


This. Don't get me wrong, the guy is crazy and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near guns or be given any position of authority, but if you truly believe a fetus is the same thing as a child, how wouldn't you think like this guy?
 
2012-08-23 12:58:00 AM  

GAT_00: Vodka Zombie: Holy shiat. This sick bastard just said he'd commit premeditated, 1st degree murder of a physician for performing a legal medical procedure and committing NO CRIME.

What the fark is wrong with this country?

Seriously, America. What the fark is wrong with you?

The root cause seems to be Christianity.


And ignorance.
 
2012-08-23 12:59:00 AM  

cman: You better hope this guy does not get elected. He has a power hungry mean streak about him


Hell, maybe I'll run for Sheriff with theory that Sheriffs have this enormous power. Then I'll go kick his ass and arrest him. How about that?
 
2012-08-23 01:11:45 AM  

cman: Your preference for either pro-life or pro-choice does not matter in this case. What he said was very wrong, and we should all be scared that one who may have power could do such a thing without punishment.

You better hope this guy does not get elected. He has a power hungry mean streak about him


Nailed it. Those that desire authority, should be denied it.
 
2012-08-23 02:19:23 AM  
So, he was arrested for making a terrorist threat? Right?
 
2012-08-23 02:26:05 AM  
I don't understand why society has to tolerate people like that fellow. He is the problem. He is the one who should have deadly force put upon him.
 
2012-08-23 02:29:56 AM  
I'd laugh at this ass nugget if there wasn't such a high chance of him being voted in.
 
2012-08-23 02:31:30 AM  
FTA: "In an interview on Wednesday with local television station WMUR, Szabo said he believed sheriffs were granted special powers under the Constitution."

Goddamn it, can we just have one day a year where we shut down everything and make every last person in this damn country read or listen or watch an interpretative dance of the constitution.

One day a year. That's not so much is it?
 
2012-08-23 02:43:29 AM  
He wouldn't really do it.

He's just saying that to further dehumanize his political enemies in the hopes that one of his batshiat comrades will do it.
 
2012-08-23 02:43:32 AM  
Americans are so desensitized to violence that they think they'll respawn upon death, or maybe it's all that religion eternal life lunacy like the Muslims.
 
2012-08-23 02:45:10 AM  

pippi longstocking: Americans are so desensitized to violence that they think they'll respawn upon death, or maybe it's all that religion eternal life lunacy like the Muslims.


/starts scripting GTA Abortion City game....
 
2012-08-23 02:50:05 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: pippi longstocking: Americans are so desensitized to violence that they think they'll respawn upon death, or maybe it's all that religion eternal life lunacy like the Muslims.

/starts scripting GTA Abortion City game....


Don't do it, Congress will get together and finally ban violent games...

/(R)s just need the A word to go bipartisan
//Just wait, you'll see I'm right
 
2012-08-23 02:52:14 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Goddamn it, can we just have one day a year where we shut down everything and make every last person in this damn country read or listen or watch an interpretative dance of the constitution.

One day a year. That's not so much is it?


It's not that big of a document either. It takes maybe 15 minutes to read, yet people attribute things to it as if fact checking would require the effort of fact checking a bible, manually, without the benefit of ctrl-f.
 
2012-08-23 02:53:36 AM  

ladyfortuna: Lenny_da_Hog: pippi longstocking: Americans are so desensitized to violence that they think they'll respawn upon death, or maybe it's all that religion eternal life lunacy like the Muslims.

/starts scripting GTA Abortion City game....

Don't do it, Congress will get together and finally ban violent games...


Not if you go around killing abortion doctors. Hell, you might even get a grant.
 
2012-08-23 02:57:07 AM  

passionweiss.com

I have powers. Constitutional powers!

 
2012-08-23 02:57:47 AM  

Karac: [talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]
I will protect the sanctity of life even if it means I have to execute every last motherfarking one of you!


If it saves just one unborn fetus, killing 12 people in an abortion clinic rampage is well worth it.

/This is what Republicans actually believe. 
//Eric Rudolph, Paul Hill, Scott Roeder, Michael Griffin, John Salvi, et al...these men are heroes to Republicans.
 
2012-08-23 03:06:38 AM  
I don't care how often they pretend to be different parties, the Tea Party and Republican Party are really the same animal. A rabid, vicious, and bloodthirsty animal.

They created it... they get to own it.
 
2012-08-23 03:08:11 AM  
from this persons webshiate :

Having attained a high level of expertise in Financial Management and Health Care Administration, most of Frank's skills were developed while working in the business sector. He owned and operated a successful limousine service; which he started in 1987 and sold in 2000.

Frank's qualifications are common sense, practical, real life experiences. His university degree was just the beginning. He knows the peculiarities and technicalities of the court room and other legal procedures. He knows how to read the law and interpret it. He is not, however, an attorney.

A Sheriff is elected by the people. He works for the people. He is the ONLY elected law enforcement officer of the county. As such, he is the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the county and he works for and is accountable to "We The People". He should not take orders from any one - except "the People" to whom he is accountable.

Within the boundary of his county, the Sheriff has more power than the President of the United States. The following example illustrates the point of how much power a County Sheriff possesses.

sigh.
 
2012-08-23 03:23:40 AM  

alienated: from this persons webshiate :

Having attained a high level of expertise in Financial Management and Health Care Administration, most of Frank's skills were developed while working in the business sector. He owned and operated a successful limousine service; which he started in 1987 and sold in 2000.

Frank's qualifications are common sense, practical, real life experiences. His university degree was just the beginning. He knows the peculiarities and technicalities of the court room and other legal procedures. He knows how to read the law and interpret it. He is not, however, an attorney.

A Sheriff is elected by the people. He works for the people. He is the ONLY elected law enforcement officer of the county. As such, he is the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the county and he works for and is accountable to "We The People". He should not take orders from any one - except "the People" to whom he is accountable.

Within the boundary of his county, the Sheriff has more power than the President of the United States. The following example illustrates the point of how much power a County Sheriff possesses.

sigh.


That alone should take him off the ballot.
 
2012-08-23 03:24:26 AM  
Not to mention that his desire to kill doctors should land him in jail.
 
2012-08-23 03:25:50 AM  
sounds like a conspiracy to committ aggravated first degree murder. naturally he won't be prosecuted
 
2012-08-23 03:29:22 AM  
i560.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-23 03:33:01 AM  
Well if Sheriff Joe can get elected why not this guy?
 
2012-08-23 03:41:42 AM  

alienated: Within the boundary of his county, the Sheriff has more power than the President of the United States. The following example illustrates the point of how much power a County Sheriff possesses.


Seriously?

Do you have a link? I want to see if a Sheriff can fly. At the very least, have X-ray vision.

alienated: He knows how to read the law and interpret it. He is not, however, an attorney.


Dunning-Kruger effect - a scary thing for someone in authority.
 
2012-08-23 03:45:52 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: nterpretative dance


Interpretive dance?!? 

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-23 03:45:54 AM  

fusillade762: One thing I'll say for this guy: at least he's consistent. If you truly believe that abortion is murder, that is.


When he attends funerals for fertilized eggs that fail to implant in the womb, then I'll believe he is consistent in his view that human life begins at conception and is entitled to the full protection of the law.

That goes for every right to lifer.
 
2012-08-23 03:46:06 AM  
impaler

http://www.szaboforsheriff.com/
 
2012-08-23 03:53:36 AM  
Just a couple of questions, here. Wouldn't a County Sheriff be accountable to the State Attorney General (as the highest law enforcement officer of that state)? Or, at the very least, wouldn't there be provisions for the County Administrators to reprimand or remove a nutjob power-freak sheriff when needed?

I wish the interviewer had asked for constitutional chapter and verse for the "sheriff has special powers" thing, in any case.

And didn't he pretty much admit to planning to kill abortion doctors? How would he feel if somebody said publicly "any cops come around here and I'll kill them"? Not that big a difference, really.
 
2012-08-23 03:53:54 AM  

alienated: http://www.szaboforsheriff.com/

Frank believes that the time for petitions and "Please, please, please, Mr/Ms Congresscritter and Mr/Ms Senator would you stop spending my great-grandchildrens' inheritances?" is over. Arm yourself with knowledge...

The Saga of the Toilet Takers...

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Toilet Takers (AT&TT) comes to your county and declares that it is now illegal to own a toilet. "They" will be removing all toilets from the county this week! The people say, "We don't want you to take our toilets. We like our toilets." The AT&TT says, "Too bad! We are here to take them!"


OMFG, I'm in tears. If The Onion wrote that, it wouldn't even be funny, because it's so damn over the top, it isn't even believable enough to trigger the humor tickle one gets from satire.
 
2012-08-23 03:56:43 AM  
God damn it. I'm going to be up all night laughing at that site.
 
2012-08-23 04:01:28 AM  

Uncle Tractor: [i560.photobucket.com image 633x480]


i.telegraph.co.uk

I know, right?
 
2012-08-23 04:09:08 AM  

impaler: The Saga of the Toilet Takers...


Hmm so he doesn't like the ATF, wonder how he'd react if someone set up a distillery in the county, I get the feeling he wouldn't exactly be ok with it. Just a hunch.
 
2012-08-23 04:14:52 AM  

abb3w: GAT_00: I'm not saying that Christianity as a whole, but the root of what these people are doing is out of Christianity. That's the core of all of these problems.

...no, I'm pretty sure Christianity is just another symptom of the common cause underlying cognitive defects. I think it's some basic confusion about the relationship of language and reality.


Regardless of the root cause (religion? something more fundamental?), I'd hypothesize that education is probably the cure. Or at least a huge leap in a cure-like direction. Surprisingly, even while watching this insane race towards maximal derp, I have found the *internet* a surprising beacon of hope.

In the early 90s I was part of various efforts to, among other things, get high-schools to buy into this whole now "internet" thing, and one of the things that was always in the pitch was a comparison to Gutenberg. "It's the new communication medium, that will bring sweeping change just like the printing press did!" Always assumed that while there was a kernel of truth there, it was still heavy with hyperbole.

In the last few years, though, there seems to be more and more examples of how the internet has turned things upside down. So maybe things get a bit better in the long-run, because the internet simply saturates people with knowledge, and the whole "education by osmosis" effect actually happens, in some minimal way?

/it'll take a generation before full effect, though, as the status-quo is sure fighting hard to stay relevant
//in the meantime, though, we get the full effects of
i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-23 04:19:36 AM  
I still can't quite get over the notion of people voting for Sheriffs (or Judges for that matter) in the first place.

The fact that this guy apparently has no background in law enforcement and only a very sketchy idear of what constitutes "legal" makes my wee head spin round.

The fact that he responded to a direct question on the use of deadly force in the affirmative when talking about Doctors performing abortions made steam come out my ears.

Reading about his guy isn't good for my health. Someone please assure me this dipshiat isn't gonna win. 

/Lie if you have to. I need this. 
//I keed. Sorta.
 
2012-08-23 04:25:11 AM  
"sheriff has special powers"

Now I wanna shoop a picture of this moron with Sheriff Joe putting two halves of a ring together and shouting "Wonder Twit Powers Activate!".

Perhaps with Gleek in the background rolling his eyes.

/Sadly, no skillz.
 
2012-08-23 04:25:36 AM  

alienated: from this persons webshiate :

Having attained a high level of expertise in Financial Management and Health Care Administration, most of Frank's skills were developed while working in the business sector. He owned and operated a successful limousine service; which he started in 1987 and sold in 2000.

Frank's qualifications are common sense, practical, real life experiences. His university degree was just the beginning. He knows the peculiarities and technicalities of the court room and other legal procedures. He knows how to read the law and interpret it. He is not, however, an attorney.

A Sheriff is elected by the people. He works for the people. He is the ONLY elected law enforcement officer of the county. As such, he is the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the county and he works for and is accountable to "We The People". He should not take orders from any one - except "the People" to whom he is accountable.

Within the boundary of his county, the Sheriff has more power than the President of the United States. The following example illustrates the point of how much power a County Sheriff possesses.

sigh.


I grew up on the NH border and these sentiments aren't really anything new up that way. Maine is even worse. These are people who think if they take care of themselves, no one--no one--should be able to tell them what to do. It only makes sense that the Tea Party small-government extremism would take hold in those places--they were already pretty libertarian to begin with.

I can't tell you how many times I heard kids say they wanted to be policemen when they grew up because then they couldn't be arrested.
 
2012-08-23 04:28:52 AM  
WTF, USA? We're only a week or two away from a never before achieved scientific interplanetary accomplishment, only to see some of your lawmakers fall over themselves to try redefine rape in a 'good rape' and 'bad rape'. The contrast is baffling. And just when those kooks get their deserved backlash, the lesser clowns seem to feel the need to come out of the woodwork, consisting of a judge claiming to join second amendment resolutions should President Obama be reelected and someone flat out threatening murdering doctors if they perform an abortion.

This kook in particular sounds like a Sherrif Joe wannabe, inventing his own realm of politics and abusing his power throughout the whole thing.
 
2012-08-23 04:33:52 AM  

Bontesla: Why do I feel like Republicans are planning for a civil war?


Hmm might be time to thaw out Gen Sherman.
 
2012-08-23 04:34:50 AM  

pdkl95: Regardless of the root cause (religion? something more fundamental?), I'd hypothesize that education is probably the cure. Or at least a huge leap in a cure-like direction. Surprisingly, even while watching this insane race towards maximal derp, I have found the *internet* a surprising beacon of hope.


The problem with the internet is that you'll only find knowledge if you're looking for it. If you just want to reinforce the derp you have rattling around your head, it'll do that too.

And probably 90% of the time that's what people are after - not knowledge, but some clever-sounding factoids that reinforce the beliefs they already hold.
 
2012-08-23 04:35:52 AM  

WhyteRaven74: impaler: The Saga of the Toilet Takers...

Hmm so he doesn't like the ATF, wonder how he'd react if someone set up a distillery in the county, I get the feeling he wouldn't exactly be ok with it. Just a hunch.


CSB time.

Grew up in a small county in Missouri on the border with arkansas. real shiatkicker kind of place, 600 people, 4 last names, and if your family hadn't squatte don the same bit of land for at least three generations, you were an outsider. Primary job occupations were cattle farming and collectiong welfare.

Naturally, everybody voted republican.

The sheriff was a notorious bully who applied the law differently against different people. for example, if you were related to one of the town fathers, you could literally drive down town square drunk off your ass with an open beer on your dashboard and get away with it. (note: this actually happened). Whereas, if you were a teenager, or a black guy who just happened to be driving through town (seriously: this city was so white people didn't even try to hide the fact they were Klansmen) would end up arrested for petty bullshiat or find their car subjected to a full stripdown on the side of the road because the deputy had "probable cause"

Everybody knew the sheriff was corrupt as fark, yet he got voted in at near 100% rates every single election, Mostly becaus nobody would ever run against him, and the one time I remember that someone did, he dropped out of the race, packed up his family, and left down overnight.

Oh, and one of his big things was that he was "Tough on drug dealers", which was true, the local clink always had a couple folks that'd been arrested for a joint or two in the car. Granted, the reason for this was because he didn't like the competition. Assgasket was selling drugs out f his privately owned and operated auto garage, and everybody knew it.


/CSB

tl;dr version: Crooked county sheriffs are not in any way shape or form uncommon, low profile, or generally in any risk of losing their position.
 
2012-08-23 04:40:08 AM  

belgianguy: We're only a week or two away from a never before achieved scientific interplanetary accomplishment,


What would that be? I don't wander by the Geek tab very often.
 
2012-08-23 04:40:39 AM  
I'm so glad I don't live on that side of the state...
 
2012-08-23 04:43:42 AM  
www.szaboforsheriff.comdtdstudios.com
 
2012-08-23 04:44:57 AM  

pdkl95: In the last few years, though, there seems to be more and more examples of how the internet has turned things upside down. So maybe things get a bit better in the long-run, because the internet simply saturates people with knowledge, and the whole "education by osmosis" effect actually happens, in some minimal way?


Have you noticed the internet has made young people wise, and the old fools?

Not totally of course, but the 20/30 somethings are a lot less batshat crazy than the 50/60 somethings, in a lot of respects.
 
2012-08-23 04:48:50 AM  
The sad thing is that I'm sure he and his supporters consider themselves "pro-life". Even if it means killing people they don't agree with. :/

We have a sickness in this country, and it's called ultra right-wing conservatism.
 
2012-08-23 04:54:09 AM  
Well alrighty then, Captain Crazypants
 
2012-08-23 04:58:13 AM  
Hitler had the right idea, but instead of race we should do it with IQ.
 
2012-08-23 04:59:32 AM  

impaler: Have you noticed the internet has made young people wise, and the old fools?

Not totally of course, but the 20/30 somethings are a lot less batshat crazy than the 50/60 somethings, in a lot of respects.


I take that to mean the 40yo are solid.

Solid.
 
2012-08-23 05:00:09 AM  

impaler: pdkl95: In the last few years, though, there seems to be more and more examples of how the internet has turned things upside down. So maybe things get a bit better in the long-run, because the internet simply saturates people with knowledge, and the whole "education by osmosis" effect actually happens, in some minimal way?

Have you noticed the internet has made young people wise, and the old fools?

Not totally of course, but the 20/30 somethings are a lot less batshat crazy than the 50/60 somethings, in a lot of respects.


The only people, who know what they are talking about on the Internet, are the 40-somethings.
 
2012-08-23 05:05:39 AM  

Aquapope: Just a couple of questions, here. Wouldn't a County Sheriff be accountable to the State Attorney General (as the highest law enforcement officer of that state)? Or, at the very least, wouldn't there be provisions for the County Administrators to reprimand or remove a nutjob power-freak sheriff when needed?

I wish the interviewer had asked for constitutional chapter and verse for the "sheriff has special powers" thing, in any case.

And didn't he pretty much admit to planning to kill abortion doctors? How would he feel if somebody said publicly "any cops come around here and I'll kill them"? Not that big a difference, really.


This guy thinks he has *more* power as county sheriff than the AG, Governor, DoD, and President.
 
2012-08-23 05:07:28 AM  

pippi longstocking: Hitler had the right idea, but instead of race we should do it with IQ.


His victims were not all about race. Homosexuals, mentally ill, and low IQ were big targets of the Nazis
 
2012-08-23 05:11:41 AM  

Gunther: The problem with the internet is that you'll only find knowledge if you're looking for it. If you just want to reinforce the derp you have rattling around your head, it'll do that too.

And probably 90% of the time that's what people are after - not knowledge, but some clever-sounding factoids that reinforce the beliefs they already hold.


Of course. Which is what people have always done. History is filled with examples of people cultivating that very idea. The comforting regularity of being a member of a monastic order, to name one obvious example.

My point is that, in addition to that, simply being exposed to actual facts is now happening way more often. You can't avoid it entirely. Eventually, some tidbits of actual knowledge slip in.

impaler: pdkl95: In the last few years, though, there seems to be more and more examples of how the internet has turned things upside down. So maybe things get a bit better in the long-run, because the internet simply saturates people with knowledge, and the whole "education by osmosis" effect actually happens, in some minimal way?

Have you noticed the internet has made young people wise, and the old fools?

Not totally of course, but the 20/30 somethings are a lot less batshat crazy than the 50/60 somethings, in a lot of respects.


I wonder if that's a byproduct of the sudden ability fact-check most anything at a moments notice. Looking things up in a book takes effort, typing crap in to google becomes second nature. Idiocy that once went unchallenged -- through simple laziness (aka "having better uses for your limited time") -- now gets checked. Metcalfe's Law probably plays an effect, too, as it does here on fark: it only takes one person to post the result, yet we all benefit. 

Or, put another way... it's why this is the meme:
i2.kym-cdn.com

Instead of this:
i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-08-23 05:26:56 AM  

Gunther: If you just want to reinforce the derp you have rattling around your head, it'll do that too.


Actually, I should correct myself - there is a way to avoid exposure to any knowledge, so you can maintain the echo-chamber. It's what Bruce Sterling's (very underrated, infrequently read) book Schismatrix was about: you have to fork the human species, so you can maintain your carefully-constructed niche.

I strongly recommend the book - the religious fundies make a lot more sense, when viewed in terms of the evolution and speciation of H. sapiens. Just don't get discouraged by the first 1/3 of it - it may seem boring, but he's just setting up the exponential curve the plot takes off into for the 2nd half of the book.

/life moves in clades
 
2012-08-23 05:28:59 AM  

pdkl95: I wonder if that's a byproduct of the sudden ability fact-check most anything at a moments notice. Looking things up in a book takes effort, typing crap in to google becomes second nature. Idiocy that once went unchallenged -- through simple laziness (aka "having better uses for your limited time") -- now gets checked. Metcalfe's Law probably plays an effect, too, as it does here on fark: it only takes one person to post the result, yet we all benefit.


I would say that is exactly it.

I was going to add to that post how when I was a kid, questions like "who sang that song" or "what is contained in the current bill in congress at the moment" could not easily be answered without phone calls, and you needed to know who to call, their phone number, and you needed to do it while they were by that phone. In other words, impossible by reasonable standards.
 
2012-08-23 05:34:10 AM  

Godscrack: Because they have the NRA on their side, and think that Democrats don't own guns.

Or gay people


Democrats own gay people?
 
2012-08-23 05:34:36 AM  

Karac: [talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]
I will protect the sanctity of life even if it means I have to execute every last motherfarking one of you!


He has the eyes of a serial killer.
 
2012-08-23 05:39:56 AM  

RassilonsExWife: Godscrack: Because they have the NRA on their side, and think that Democrats don't own guns.

Or gay people

Democrats own gay people?


Well, in certain parts of the world that is still legal
 
2012-08-23 05:40:51 AM  

Alphax: belgianguy: We're only a week or two away from a never before achieved scientific interplanetary accomplishment,

What would that be? I don't wander by the Geek tab very often.


NASA putting the Curiosity rover on Mars.
 
2012-08-23 05:44:41 AM  
As Banksy once said, "Some people represent authority without ever possessing any of their own"
 
2012-08-23 05:45:28 AM  

pdkl95: My point is that, in addition to that, simply being exposed to actual facts is now happening way more often. You can't avoid it entirely. Eventually, some tidbits of actual knowledge slip in.


I think that's true too. The people with similar ideas to Fark's current group of threadshatters used to be a honest, non-troll bunch of D-bags that would actually attempt making legitimate arguments 10 years ago. Through the years, enough of their BS has been so thoroughly debunked, they are now relegated to jumping into threads, shiatting, then exiting without any real debate. To the credit of Bevets, he was already following that format 10 years ago - truly a man ahead of his time.

Their ideas are only "freely" expressed in highly regulated forums, where any confrontation to their derp is immediately met with the ban-hammer and removal of posts. The don't want facts, they want confirmation. And if they can't have it, the best they can do is irritate any opposition.
 
2012-08-23 05:49:49 AM  

belgianguy: Alphax: belgianguy: We're only a week or two away from a never before achieved scientific interplanetary accomplishment,

What would that be? I don't wander by the Geek tab very often.

NASA putting the Curiosity rover on Mars.


Oh, a recent one, rather that one coming up. Thanks, I was confused. I'm going 'Again?'
 
2012-08-23 05:55:31 AM  

RassilonsExWife: Godscrack: Because they have the NRA on their side, and think that Democrats don't own guns.

Or gay people

Democrats own gay people?


Didnt you get your requisition with your voter card? Better hurry, times running out....
 
2012-08-23 05:59:14 AM  
Remember folks, only the South has idiots. I'll just file this in my "wingnuts are all across the country" file the next time one of you dicks wants to make the South seem like the sole repository of America's moran problem.
 
2012-08-23 06:19:48 AM  

ItchyMcDoogle: Bontesla: Why do I feel like Republicans are planning for a civil war?

Hmm might be time to thaw out Gen Sherman.


And send him to New Hampshire.

/good plan.
 
2012-08-23 06:23:00 AM  

dickfreckle: Remember folks, only the South has idiots. I'll just file this in my "wingnuts are all across the country" file the next time one of you dicks wants to make the South seem like the sole repository of America's moran problem.


Beat me to it. Thanks!
 
2012-08-23 06:35:26 AM  

dickfreckle: Remember folks, only the South has idiots. I'll just file this in my "wingnuts are all across the country" file the next time one of you dicks wants to make the South seem like the sole repository of America's moran problem.


To be fair, I was surprised that he was from NH. The left West Coast seems to have fewer of these people but sadly, they are everywhere.
 
2012-08-23 06:43:54 AM  
My first act, as County Sheriff, would be to put ALL federal agencies on notice. If they wish to conduct any action within the borders of Hillsborough County, they must first come through the Office of the Sheriff. If their proposed action is unlawful, they may leave or end up in the county jail.

This guy's awesome. Please please please please please vote for him.
 
2012-08-23 06:47:48 AM  

impaler: Through the years, enough of their BS has been so thoroughly debunked, they are now relegated to jumping into threads, shiatting, then exiting without any real debate. To the credit of Bevets, he was already following that format 10 years ago - truly a man ahead of his time


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say, I haven't read anything from him lately. Start to miss him
 
2012-08-23 06:53:01 AM  

On-Off: Login: Bevet


No, it's "Bevets". There's an "s" on the end.
 
2012-08-23 06:56:03 AM  
Is it just me or does "the sheriff has immense power under the interpretation of the constitution" and "citizens' grand jury" sound like a wind-up to lynch mobs?

Live Free or Die, indeed.
 
2012-08-23 07:00:57 AM  

Gunther: No, it's "Bevets". There's an "s" on the end.


Dam'n!
Wanted to play Mr smartass, and stand corected

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I shouldn't have underestimated the dedication of the man
 
2012-08-23 07:01:37 AM  
I personally know at least 50 gun owning liberal weirdos that would consider a conservative uprising as a license to hunt rednecks and would kill with joyous abandon.
 
2012-08-23 07:11:30 AM  
Yeah, I'm going to have to put this down to "Crazy assed Sovereign Citizen" then to anything to do with the Republican party. Both sides are bad, though, so vote for the All Day Breakfast Party.
 
2012-08-23 07:12:15 AM  
Oh for fark's sake...

It's like these retards are trying to out do each other.

"Women can't get pregnant from 'legitimate' rape!"

"Oh yeah? Well, I've never heard of any heterosexuals getting H.I.V."

"Pfffft. Everyone knows AIDS came form some gay pilot screwing a monkey in Africa!"

"I got you all beat... I'm going to shoot every abortion doctor when I'm Sheriff of Jerkwater, NH!"


It would be hilarious if there weren't so many other retards out there who think like this and will vote for these ignorant assholes.
 
2012-08-23 07:14:36 AM  

keylock71: It's like these retards are trying to out do each other.


It just totally slips their mind that sane people may be listening.
 
2012-08-23 07:17:01 AM  

Ambivalence: Wow. What voter could resist such a compelling argument. Because it's not burglars and rapists that are a threat to law and order, it's doctors performing abortions.


There are no rapists.
 
2012-08-23 07:36:44 AM  
WTF is a citizen's grand jury? Sounds like a lynch mob.
 
2012-08-23 07:41:53 AM  
"Vote for me for Sheriff... I don't have the first clue how law enforcement works and I think as Sheriff I have the power to execute those I disagree with." *Shoots guns into the air while jumping up and down*

New Hampshire: New England's Alabama.
 
2012-08-23 07:43:54 AM  
Thank you Mr. Akin for influencing all of these morons to speak out. You have done us all a great service.
 
2012-08-23 07:47:26 AM  
Vodka Zombie:
But mostly really funny.

This is because you're not a low-income woman in a conservative area where the police, clergy, doctors, pharmacists and joe blow on the street are all 100% dedicated to maintaining your status as an involuntary breeder.
 
2012-08-23 07:52:33 AM  

foo monkey: WTF is a citizen's grand jury? Sounds like a lynch mob.


It's for looney-tunes conspiracy theorists. Those are the kinds of grand juries where Bush was charged for 9/11 and Obama was charged with something related to being a kenyan usurper. So, this guy is certifiable.
 
2012-08-23 07:57:16 AM  
That flapping sound, GOP? The one that's been getting louder for years? The sound you first admired, then ignored, then claimed was libby lib, then found yourself denouncing, and is now so loud that you just want to crawl under the bed and never come out?

That flapping sound? They're coming home to roost, GOP. You sowed the derp. Reap the whirlwind. Go greet your batshiat sovereign citizen chickens. They would like a word.
 
2012-08-23 07:58:58 AM  

Frederick: Is it time to divide up the country yet?


Yeah.
The fascist motherfarkers throwing a shiatfit over a medical procedure because they think women should be second-class citizens can have their own country six feet under US soil.
 
2012-08-23 08:20:42 AM  
Yep, the Founding Fathers were so enamored of granting counties and county sheriff's so much power via the Constitution that they forgot to mention either in the Constitution due to their zealous, head long, rush to do so.

Just another one of these "sovereign citizen" types who insist that they just "want to get back to Constitutional principles" when they claim the Constitution is clear in regards to matters which appear nowhere in the Constitution. They then always fall back on claims that "the common law" applies, yet can never seem to come up with any evidence that there are even "common law" provisions that apply. They may as well put their eggs in the "Lizard "Shape-Shifter" People "hidden" government which really rules the world for all the sense they make.
 
2012-08-23 08:26:35 AM  

lawboy87: Yep, the Founding Fathers were so enamored of granting counties and county sheriff's so much power via the Constitution that they forgot to mention either in the Constitution due to their zealous, head long, rush to do so.

Just another one of these "sovereign citizen" types who insist that they just "want to get back to Constitutional principles" when they claim the Constitution is clear in regards to matters which appear nowhere in the Constitution. They then always fall back on claims that "the common law" applies, yet can never seem to come up with any evidence that there are even "common law" provisions that apply. They may as well put their eggs in the "Lizard "Shape-Shifter" People "hidden" government which really rules the world for all the sense they make.


Yeah but fringes on flags, dude. Fringes on flags.
 
2012-08-23 08:27:06 AM  

GAT_00: Vodka Zombie: Holy shiat. This sick bastard just said he'd commit premeditated, 1st degree murder of a physician for performing a legal medical procedure and committing NO CRIME.

What the fark is wrong with this country?

Seriously, America. What the fark is wrong with you?

The root cause seems to be Christianity.


Survey says.........
JEBUS.

But we'll take Christinsanity, too.
 
2012-08-23 08:37:12 AM  

impaler: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Goddamn it, can we just have one day a year where we shut down everything and make every last person in this damn country read or listen or watch an interpretative dance of the constitution.

One day a year. That's not so much is it?

It's not that big of a document either. It takes maybe 15 minutes to read, yet people attribute things to it as if fact checking would require the effort of fact checking a bible, manually, without the benefit of ctrl-f.


A document many of them study, weekly, in groups. For 50+ years. And still don't understand.

I'm not sure "reading it" is gonna help idiots "understand it", in particular when they go in "believing" that it says certain things.
 
2012-08-23 08:37:44 AM  
Oh New Hampshire... sliding off the rails day by day.

I still love all the New Hampshireites that complain about Massholes moving into their state and ruining their way of life when half of them work in Massachusetts or moved there from Massachusetts themselves.

NH politicians seem overly full of themselves at times considering the nearly inconsequential services they provide to the rest of the country. Those can be summed up succinctly as,

1. Portsmouth Naval Shipyard (and that's in Maine, for farks sake)
2. They keep all the asshat politicians locked up in their road side dinners for a few good months every 4 years.
3. There is no three.
 
2012-08-23 08:38:24 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Yeah, I'm going to have to put this down to "Crazy assed Sovereign Citizen" then to anything to do with the Republican party.


True, but I've never heard of a Sovereign Citizen that wasn't a solid Republican (or Republican-masked-as-Libertarian) voter.
 
2012-08-23 08:44:00 AM  

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. "

 
2012-08-23 08:45:40 AM  
Funny how all these people seem to believe that the Founding Fathers thought that the government position that should have the most power (Congressman, Governor, Local Sheriff, Dog Catcher) just so happens to be the position they are running to be elected for.
 
2012-08-23 08:45:55 AM  
Dude is running for county sheriff. I wonder- Are there any clinics which provide abortion services within the boundaries of that county? If there aren't any, then this guy is simply pandering to the pro- life crowd. You know, by offering to kill people. Because that's pro- life. Killing people is pro- life.
Oh, who am I kidding? this farkwad is either crazy, an asshole, or both.
 
2012-08-23 08:50:32 AM  

Greek: Oh, who am I kidding? this farkwad is either crazy, an asshole, or both.


Or, as he's known to the tea party... "our guy!"
 
mhd
2012-08-23 09:06:06 AM  
This sounds like an argument one of my players once made during a D&D session. But at least he made his Diplomacy check.

/friggin' paladins
 
2012-08-23 09:16:41 AM  
Nothing says GOP like promising to commit murder for political gain.
 
2012-08-23 09:25:32 AM  
Being a citizen of the great state of New Hamster, I've been following this story closely. I live in a bordering county, but I know plenty of people who live in this nutter's jurisdiction and I'm happy to say that he's NOT popular. It's not just the poeple know - local news (network and NH Public Radio) is all over this guy, and people are responding overwhelmingly negatively to his comments.

He's also lived in the state less than a year - he moved here from PA about 10 months ago. He's part of something called the "Free State" movement - it's a Tea Party based organization that is working to relocate people like this guy to NH to "take over" government. They've chosen NH for it's relatively small size, low population, and historical libertarian tendencies. The Free Staters did get a majority in the house in 2010, but it's been a spectacular misfire - people who ran on the platform of getting the local economy back on track and greating jobs did nothing but try to repeal gay marriage (which failed), restrict access to abortions, and grandstand on other typical hot-button issues. I don't think it's going to work out well for them this year.

People always say that NH is back woods or kooky - and there are certainly people that are - but we mostly just want to live our lives with as little drama as possible. It's not so much a personal freedom thing, it's a "I don't give a shiat what you do as long as it's safe and isn't going to interfere with my own personal pursuit of happiness." That's a big part of why gay marriage isn't an issue here - we don't care. Two dudes marrying? Whatever. Life goes on. It's sort of a jaded and selfish way to live, but it totally works.

/Love my state
//Hate this bag of shiat
 
2012-08-23 09:26:43 AM  

Raharu: "With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. "


+1
 
2012-08-23 09:28:59 AM  

Welfare Peanut Butter: people who ran on the platform of getting the local economy back on track and greating jobs did nothing but try to repeal gay marriage (which failed), restrict access to abortions, and grandstand on other typical hot-button issues. I don't think it's going to work out well for them this year.


that is exactly what the tea baggers did at the National level.
 
2012-08-23 09:33:09 AM  

mrshowrules: Welfare Peanut Butter: people who ran on the platform of getting the local economy back on track and greating jobs did nothing but try to repeal gay marriage (which failed), restrict access to abortions, and grandstand on other typical hot-button issues. I don't think it's going to work out well for them this year.

that is exactly what the tea baggers did at the National level.


Yeah, I know, but it bears repeating. Maybe it might penetrate the thick skulls of people who believe tea baggers actually care about fiscal responsibiltiy, or even have the slightest idea what the Constitution even says.

/lol, penetrate
 
2012-08-23 09:37:44 AM  

Bontesla: Why do I feel like Republicans are planning for a civil war?


Just let the southern red state secede. The blue states are paying for their uneducated, poor, bible pounders anyways. Then I'd be in favor of a fence on our southern border provided we allow the educated political asylum.
 
2012-08-23 09:45:22 AM  

AbbeySomeone: dickfreckle: Remember folks, only the South has idiots. I'll just file this in my "wingnuts are all across the country" file the next time one of you dicks wants to make the South seem like the sole repository of America's moran problem.

To be fair, I was surprised that he was from NH. The left West Coast seems to have fewer of these people but sadly, they are everywhere.


Well, the N.H. state motto is "Live Free or Die"
 
2012-08-23 09:49:32 AM  

foo monkey: WTF is a citizen's grand jury? Sounds like a lynch mob.


Yeah, I couldn't tell from the text if he meant the "citizen's grand jury" was for the prosecutor, or the abortion doctor.
 
2012-08-23 09:57:35 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: "Republican House Speaker Bill O'Brien called on Szabo to quit the race in light of his statements."

It does my heart good to see Republican leaders having to smack down their craziest candidates every other day.


They are doing it because they realize these individuals will lose their election. They want them to quit before its too late to appoint a replacement for the ballot.
 
2012-08-23 10:51:43 AM  
Am I reading this right? He's not saying that he'll shoot abortion doctors if a law is passed, but he will do it if he gets elected, period? Wow, nothing like taking the law into your own hands and using your own personal interpretation of it. Sounds Anti-American to me.
 
2012-08-23 11:02:13 AM  

FlashHarry: if you kill somebody who is performing a legal and constitutionally protected act, i believe that's called murder.


That's why their other tactic is to define gestation as a constitutionally protected act.
 
2012-08-23 11:25:54 AM  

foo monkey: WTF is a citizen's grand jury? Sounds like a lynch mob.


Imagine a dozen people--all of whom believe if you spell your name in all caps and with random punctuation that you are exempt from federal taxes--sitting around indicting you for violating what they think the constitution is.
 
2012-08-23 11:29:22 AM  

Bontesla: Why do I feel like Republicans are planning for a civil war?


Because for almost as long as I've been alive, they have been doing just that. In fact, I was raised by my family to be prepared for it. This whole "second amendment solutions" stuff isn't new, by any stretch of the imagination. When that report warning of right-wing extremist groups came out, I said to myself "no DUH!" Current and former military personnel, especially those in various Special Forces branches have been stockpiling weapons, ammunition, supplies (so many MREs...) and building out their own little survivalist camps for decades. Ruby Ridge is their "Remember the Alamo!" and the book "Unintended Consequences" is their New Testament.

This shiat has been brewing for a very, very long time.
 
2012-08-23 11:44:49 AM  
Anyone else see the blurb at the end of the article? The one where he said that he'd arrest DAs that refuse to prosecute doctors that perform abortions?

Why was this lunatic even allowed onto the farking ballot?
 
2012-08-23 12:01:44 PM  
Oh, so *that's* why my doctor's office has the great big sign in the waiting room announcing in serious capital letters that "ASSAULTING MEDICAL STAFF IS A FELONY."

I thought it was just sad, but I guess some douchecanoes really need the reminder.
 
2012-08-23 12:21:30 PM  

NEDM: Anyone else see the blurb at the end of the article? The one where he said that he'd arrest DAs that refuse to prosecute doctors that perform abortions?

Why was this lunatic even allowed onto the farking ballot?


I think what he was actually saying is he'd call a "citizen's grand jury" to charge the doctor - nothing to do with the prosecutor.

Oh, and when you see "citizen's grand jury", this is what you should be thinking of:

www.pslweb.org
 
2012-08-23 02:57:31 PM  
The dude is a nut job.
 
2012-08-23 04:55:49 PM  
"Special Constitutional powers" just for sheriffs.

I had no idea being a sheriff was so bad ass. I need to read this Constitution thingy some time. Sounds pretty cool.
 
2012-08-24 12:20:39 AM  

GAT_00: djkutch: GAT_00: The root cause seems to be Christianity Evangelicalism and Prosperity Gospel.

Small, but important, edit. There are good Christians out there. See Obama.

I'm not saying that Christianity as a whole, but the root of what these people are doing is out of Christianity. That's the core of all of these problems. And the Prosperity Gospel had to come from somewhere.


Ninety percent sure it came from classic fascism.

The problem is, we've started thinking the only type of fascism involves real, literal Nazis. We've heard the Holocaust message so often we've forgotten that there's never the same stream twice--instead of learning the lesson of 'humankind is capable of evil, we must guard against it', we hear 'Nazis are bad'.

Facism comes to America wrapped in a flag, carrying a cross, and with a glittery eagle on its shoulder. And that link really sums up most of the GOP. The only things they can't pull off are linked to the fact that they're half of a larger system, and one that really likes elections.
 
2012-08-24 02:51:43 PM  

pdkl95: So maybe things get a bit better in the long-run, because the internet simply saturates people with knowledge, and the whole "education by osmosis" effect actually happens, in some minimal way?


It does make better arguments more easy to find, and thus easier to disseminate widely. However, the internet spreads lies as easily as fact, and confirmation bias means people tend not to look for the arguments against their position; this mitigates the educational impact somewhat. There's still some diffusion, as when person A and person B have different views, person A will be able to expose person B to better arguments than otherwise. However, in an area where an ignorant view is especially common in the population, encounters with someone of differing view and exposure to ideas outside the conventional bubble may be rare.

In short... the South and Rural areas look unlikely to catch on in a real hurry, but may with time.

PsiChick: And that link really sums up most of the GOP.


You might find the studies done by Altemeyer of interest.
 
2012-08-26 03:19:41 AM  

Raharu: "With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. "


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