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(Times of Israel)   Israel: "Mess with us and you'll suffer the wrath of American military. What? That's what I said. Israeli military, No, I'm pretty sure I said Israeli military. Well, that's what I meant"   (timesofisrael.com) divider line 107
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2012-08-22 08:17:44 PM
8 votes:
Israel as an ally is like having a little brother who goes around bullying and picking fights, and when someone dares to fight back, comes running to you and tells you to go beat up that kid for him.

Maybe this time we should sit this one out if Israel wants to attack Iran. We certainly don't want any of our Naval ships to be mistaken for the enemy and shot full of holes THIS time, do we? ;)
2012-08-22 07:11:50 PM
8 votes:

RoyBatty: Seems like a huge gulf between that and the headline.


Really? Seemed pretty farking dead on to me.

It's a helluva lot easier to stand up to Biff the playground bully when you've got Rick the linebacker standing behind you.
2012-08-22 08:42:25 PM
5 votes:
cdn.theatlantic.com

Here are your "friends", America. A bunch of wild-eyed Middle Easterners using an ancient book as a real-estate deed and holding racist lynchings of "Palestinian animals" in public.

Apartheid and genocide, that's what you so vociferously support, America.
2012-08-23 12:31:01 AM
4 votes:
BolloxReader
Oh, and I want to point out that all of this could have been avoided if Great Britain had granted the Palestinians independence following WWI as had been promised in exchange for rising up against the Ottomans. Then nobody would have been able to establish Israel by kicking out natives and turning them into refugees and pissing off everyone else.

Creating bloody and intractable religious conflicts was the imperial strategy for keeping the natives too busy fighting each other to have time to fight their rulers; later, it served in former colonies for making sure their victims would never be inclined to seek revenge.


RandomRandom
Add all this up and it becomes very clear that Israel is completely full of shiat.

By all indications they've got themselves so psyched up that at this point if they don't try then they'll look like just as much of fools. Why choose a path with a 100% chance of humiliation (i.e. not attacking) when there is a path with only a 95% chance?


dr_blasto
Indifferent attitude to the slaughter of civilians, including women and children, through the deployment and use of modern, highly efficient weapons with highly accurate targeting and control systems

That doesn't even really matter. The real issue is that Israel has absolute territorial and military control. Israel is the power here. There is literally nothing that the Palestinians can do that will cause Israel to remove the settlers, checkpoints, border controls, blockades etc and otherwise allow Palestine to be a viable state where people have at least a chance of living with some kind of basic dignity. Israelis complaining about anything Palestinians do against them is like a 5th grader holding down a 2nd grader and complaining that he'shiatting back.


consider this
Yeah, if only they had somewhere else to go.

lol at anything east of Iraq being considered "Arab".

People want to live in their home, not some random patch of rock a thousand miles away.

the people that have launched over 9,000 rockets at them in the past 10 years

The civilian population = the terrorists, eh? By that logic, because of settler attacks on Palestinian civilians, every Israeli should be considered a terrorist too, right?


muck4doo
Where is your outrage when Hamas sends rockets into Israel?

Let me know when Hamas carpets Israel in checkpoints, demolishes Israeli airports and power plants, restricts Israeli access to water, sequesters Israelis into isolated ghettoes that require intentionally excessively circuitous routes to pass between, denies Israel access to the Mediterranean, arrests members of the Knesset, arbitrarily denies Israelis building permits and sends in the bulldozers when they build anyway, and allows Palestinians to illegally take over apartment blocks in Tel Aviv and protects them with thousands of soldiers. Then I will give a fark.
2012-08-22 11:20:35 PM
4 votes:

consider this: It's totally Israels fault that the terrorists launch their rockets from the middle of neighborhoods and mosques. They also shouldn't respond to the 9,000 or so rocket attacks in the past 10 years since they only kill somebody once in a while.


So, should the Palestinians just shut up and accept their lot in life, which appears to be non-citizens of an occupied territory? Should they struggle against the paradigm?

WTF would you do if you found yourself displaced from your home, forced to live in a camp or burnt out city with only limited resources in the form of water or power and no lawful travel rights?

I'm not advocating rocket attacks on civilians. I think that's horrendous, but the world the Palestinians are forced to accept is also horrendous.
2012-08-22 10:49:55 PM
4 votes:

gilgigamesh: The report added that Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak believe President Barack Obama would have no choice but to give backing for an Israeli attack before the US presidential elections in November.


Netanyahu is full of shiat and he's trying to influence the presidential candidates. Bibi has treated Obama like a political enemy from day one, Obama would love the opportunity to pay him back. Were Bibi to attack. Obama would hang Netanyahu out to dry and smile while doing it. He'd let him go it alone, he'd let him fail alone, and fail he would. Obama would ensure the bomb damage assessment reports were released proving just how ineffective Israel's attacks had been.

That's Israel's problem, they can't make a serious dent in Iran's deeply buried program without the US carrying nearly all the load. The Pentagon estimates it would take a a few weeks of US air power to put a serious dent in Iran's deeply buried underground assets. Israel has less than 5% of our air assets and they have no aircraft carriers.

This means Israel would have to send their air forces over unfriendly territory for a month or longer, just to reach Iran. Not just fighters, but mid-air refuelers. A continuous air war flying over either Saudi Arabia, Iraq, or Turkey.

Option 1. Iraq. Iraq has no meaningful air force, but their government would threaten to kick the US completely out of the country in favor of the Russians or Chinese if we didn't quickly stop Israeli overflights. Our oil industry won't want us kicked out, Obama won't want us kicked out, hell, every single veteran of the Iraq war won't want us diplomatically booted from Iraq. With the backing of the Russians or Chinese, Israel would have to stop the overflights. Obama cannot allow the Russians or Chinese to take over our role in Iraq, so Obama would have to stop the overflights. That might give Israel a week, no longer.

Option 2. Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia's leadership wouldn't mind one bit were Israel to blow the fark out of Iran's nuclear program, but the populace would start tearing down the palace walls without 72 hours if the overflights didn't cease. At most, Israel would get a week, but I doubt they'd get that long. Given the possibility that tacitly allowing such overflights could initiate a Saudi Arab Spring, they may not get a minute. The Saudi's can definitely protect their own air space, they also have a defense pact with the US.

Option 3. Turkey. Turkey would shoot down their planes and call in NATO article 5. All NATO members would be forced to stop the Israeli overflights. Israel knows this, their relations with Turkey are already in the dumper because Netanyahu is a wack-job. Israel wouldn't dare Turkish overflights.

Option 4. Georgia. Georgia was considering allowing them have basing rights, but that was before they tangled with Russia. Since it would require overflights of Azerbaijan or Russia, that has to be completely off the table now.

Option 5. Fly around Saudi Arabia through the Red Sea and Indian Ocean. It's a 7,000 mile round trip. It might work for a "30 seconds over Tokyo" sort of raid. A raid that would shake up Iran but do no real damage. The distance is too long for any meaningful number sorties to be sent. Unless Israel has been hiding an aircraft carrier (un farking possible) they lack both the technical and political means to accomplish this mission.

Add all this up and it becomes very clear that Israel is completely full of shiat. They know they don't have the means to dent Iran's ambitions. We know they don't have the means, Iran knows they don't have the means. They can only put a tiny dent in Iran's nuclear program. An attack so meaningless would probably just speed up development by shutting out IAEA inspectors.
2012-08-22 10:42:36 PM
4 votes:

BolloxReader: CanisNoir: I'm just curious as to why they think Obama would *have* to back their attack before the elections as opposed to say once he's won, or why they think they wouldn't have more traction with a newly elected Romney? Seriously, do they think backing or not backing an attack against Iran would be a deal breaker for the US electorate?

There are a LOT of rich rich folks who have been trying to steer us into Armageddon. They require that Israel fight a major war. They pump a lot of money into Israel, trying to manipulate them and shutting down nay-sayers as "anti-semites."

I'm convinced that if the US government doesn't jump in, there will be a major uprising here in the States. For a lot of people this is a religious obligation to trigger the Second Coming.

\Some people just want to see the world burn
\\many others want to light the fuse themselves


Zionists believe they need to fulfill biblical prophecy to have Jesus come back. They are tired of waiting, which is why the settlements continue to be built in the West Bank.

Also:

i.imgur.com
2012-08-22 09:23:06 PM
4 votes:

Thunderpipes: Why do you morons think Israel needs our help?

Why do liberals hate Israel for wanting to be safe? Iran dude just said some pretty awful things about Israel even existing, and you defend him?

Liberals are bad.


Yes, denouncing one nation's belligerant policies is exactly the same thing as supporting another nation who wants to destroy them.

Maybe we don't like EITHER ONE OF THEM, you ever consider that?
2012-08-22 08:20:04 PM
4 votes:
War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies, or ethnicity. It's an endless series of proxy battles fought by mercenaries and machines. War - and its consumption of life - has become a well-oiled machine. War has changed. ID-tagged soldiers carry ID-tagged weapons, use ID-tagged gear. Nanomachines inside their bodies enhance and regulate their abilities. Genetic control. Information control. Emotion control. Battlefield control. Everything is monitored and kept under control. War has changed. The age of deterrence has become the age of control... All in the name of averting catastrophe from weapons of mass destruction. And he who controls the battlefield... controls history. War has changed. When the battlefield is under total control... War becomes routine.
2012-08-22 07:41:11 PM
4 votes:
jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com

/I usually submit this as a joke :/
2012-08-23 04:08:00 AM
3 votes:

consider this: untaken_name: Two at least, actually, since Arabs are also Semites, that makes consider this an anti-Semite also.

I never said I hate Arabs, only pointing out my belief that the Palestinians are the instigators and responsible for the bad shiat Israel unleashes on them. That's a far cry from chub making obviously racist comments about the entire Jewish race.


How can you say that? Its just not true. The Palestinians have been displaced and are basically held in concentration camps. Against multiple UN declarations new settlements are constantly being built in PALESTINIAN LAND - watch some interviews with these settlers (often from the USA it seems) they are sooooo certain of their right to just take this land that they will kill people for it and their religious fervor makes their eyes shine with holy zeal. Oh and their whole "It was our land 2000 years ago" is just jaw dropping in its bewildering ignorance and arrogance.
2012-08-23 12:53:03 AM
3 votes:
consider this
Guess that doesn't apply to the Jews, right?

At this point, it's like the American theft of Indian land- the original criminals and victims are largely dead, and now there are a lot of people who are living on stolen land through no fault of their own; it wouldn't be fair to kick them out either, and the people who would have inherited it don't know it personally either. So it's fair that practically all of Israel proper and probably most of the settlements should stay the way they are, since it's been a generation or two. But the most recent settlements, from the last decade at the very least, should definitely be removed.


muck4doo
RanDomino is a racist tard that has been p[otsing this kind of crap for years, and needs to be called for the Nazi he is.

I'm an Anarchist- I mainly only care about power relations. Israel overwhelmingly has the power in this situation. Any way you slice it the Palestinians are the victims here. The ethnic cleansing and land grab is nothing but a Primitive Accumulation for a civilization and economy that has run out of legitimately productive activities and has to resort to mass robbery. Sorry if you don't like being called out.
2012-08-22 10:53:19 PM
3 votes:

beta_plus: I love how Fark Anti-Semite Libs think that poor weak mean Israel only exists with America's support through somehow magically manipulating our chaotic electoral system.

Did it ever occur to you jew haters that all America does is try to get Israel to hold back?

They wouldn't fall without us. They'd wipe their neighbors and Iran out.

/you can thank the French for giving them 200+ nukes


How much military aid do we supply Israel with annually? Are you so incredibly stupid that you think they could sustain their own military-industrial-complex on their GDP?

Clearly, though, you think that calling out Israel for being assholes when they're, you know, actually being assholes about something is anti-semitic.

You know, you seem to think so little of our Jewish friends in the middle east that you believe they can't take even a little constructive criticism. Maybe you're the anti-semite. Are you one of those end of the world god-botherer types that's praying for the destruction of Israel to bring you to the End Times? Maybe this is more of your stupid "MY TEAM RIGHT OR WRONG" politics.

Maybe you've succumbed to some kind of TBI and I'm just picking on a disabled person who isn't in full control of their faculties. I guess that'd make me the dick.

Which is it, beta_plus?
2012-08-22 10:35:22 PM
3 votes:

CanisNoir: I'm just curious as to why they think Obama would *have* to back their attack before the elections as opposed to say once he's won, or why they think they wouldn't have more traction with a newly elected Romney? Seriously, do they think backing or not backing an attack against Iran would be a deal breaker for the US electorate?


There are a LOT of rich rich folks who have been trying to steer us into Armageddon. They require that Israel fight a major war. They pump a lot of money into Israel, trying to manipulate them and shutting down nay-sayers as "anti-semites."

I'm convinced that if the US government doesn't jump in, there will be a major uprising here in the States. For a lot of people this is a religious obligation to trigger the Second Coming.

\Some people just want to see the world burn
\\many others want to light the fuse themselves
2012-08-22 10:29:20 PM
3 votes:
Hey Israel. We're not going to start WWIII for you.

You can do it yourself, or you can just not do it, but but we're not intererested in your mudfights with you neighbors.

It's 2012.

Grow up already.
2012-08-22 09:28:41 PM
3 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Maybe we don't like EITHER ONE OF THEM, you ever consider that?


No way. It's an entirely black & white world. You're either good or evil. Also, you have to pick sides. If two assholes want to rip each other to shreds, make a decision on who you think is a slightly lesser asshole, and you arm and fund the sh*t out of them. They will totally thank you for it and always act in our best national interests in the future. Trust me.
2012-08-22 09:16:24 PM
3 votes:
www.democratic-republicans.us

Yay, America.
2012-08-22 08:51:49 PM
3 votes:

logistic: jtown: 58 comments and not one IDF Girl pic.

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Let them go fight. Who gives a fark about some rat looking women they have slutting it up on a page? Seriously, are you that lonely that a girl wearing a stretched out T shirt can prevent you from recognizing that we're being dragged kicking and screaming into another farking war?

Sad.


Agreed. fark their women and fark their war.
2012-08-22 08:48:13 PM
3 votes:

jtown: 58 comments and not one IDF Girl pic.

[farm3.static.flickr.com image 640x480]


Let them go fight. Who gives a fark about some rat looking women they have slutting it up on a page? Seriously, are you that lonely that a girl wearing a stretched out T shirt can prevent you from recognizing that we're being dragged kicking and screaming into another farking war?

Sad.
2012-08-22 08:47:52 PM
3 votes:

pxlboy: Captain_Ballbeard: [cdn.theatlantic.com image 330x270]

Here are your "friends", America. A bunch of wild-eyed Middle Easterners using an ancient book as a real-estate deed and holding racist lynchings of "Palestinian animals" in public.

Apartheid and genocide, that's what you so vociferously support, America.

What's this "we" business? Not all of us.



And just as the world has not made the distinction between all Jews and the minority of historically evil ratfarkers in their midst when it's stomping time (200 times) - the whole world sees the USA as the enabler of the most racist, vile state to ever exist.
2012-08-22 08:34:54 PM
3 votes:
Maybe I am just some dumb shiat, but why do we give Israel anything in the first place?
All they want to do is blow brown people up.. Oh, nevermind.
2012-08-22 08:33:37 PM
3 votes:
img855.imageshack.us
2012-08-22 08:32:29 PM
3 votes:
Israel wants to attack Iran because they MIGHT be building a nuclear weapon. Israel HAS nuclear weapons. Based on this logic, should the US be attacking Israel first?
2012-08-22 08:29:01 PM
3 votes:

TV's Vinnie: Israel as an ally is like having a little brother who goes around bullying and picking fights, and when someone dares to fight back, comes running to you and tells you to go beat up that kid for him.

Maybe this time we should sit this one out if Israel wants to attack Iran. We certainly don't want any of our Naval ships to be mistaken for the enemy and shot full of holes THIS time, do we? ;)


You win the "this times a thousand" award for the day.
2012-08-22 08:24:33 PM
3 votes:
The only army Netanyahu needs is the army of "American" media personalities, led by Wolf Blitzer, who will sell American blood, yet again.
2012-08-22 07:32:58 PM
3 votes:
This will not end well.
2012-08-23 11:26:47 PM
2 votes:
Israel, shut the f*ck up. Seriously. If you were under attack, that'd be one thing--I'd be waving flags myself. But not only are you not under attack, you're provoking fights. Sit down, shut up, and start finding a way to play nice with your neighbors.
2012-08-23 09:42:05 AM
2 votes:
I don't hate Catholics, but I don't think they should have their own sovereign nation, either.
2012-08-23 12:43:33 AM
2 votes:
fatalvenom
the Jews

All of them, yeah?

OMG...someone can hate people.

The agony!?!?!?!?


Yes, that does in fact make you a terrible person.


yagottabefarkinkiddinme
They may be 100% correct as Iranian leaders keep saying just that.

they say they want nuclear power for civilian purposes only = ignore what they say
they say they want to destroy Israel = everything they say is true

we would lose an ally most likely forever

Worst. Ally. Ever.

The hundreds of thousands of people that could potentially die in such a situation, that's a problem, though.
2012-08-23 12:18:30 AM
2 votes:

consider this: untaken_name: Two at least, actually, since Arabs are also Semites, that makes consider this an anti-Semite also.

I never said I hate Arabs, only pointing out my belief that the Palestinians are the instigators and responsible for the bad shiat Israel unleashes on them. That's a far cry from chub making obviously racist comments about the entire Jewish race.


No, you never said you hate Arabs. You just said that Arab = chubby, Arab = poor taste in cars, Arab = racist, and Arab = totally responsible for any and all Arab-Jewish problems. Sometimes you don't have to explicitly say something for it to be apparent.
2012-08-23 12:12:19 AM
2 votes:

RoyBatty: Well, it's nice to know we've identified the one anti-semite in this thread.


Two at least, actually, since Arabs are also Semites, that makes consider this an anti-Semite also.
2012-08-23 12:03:42 AM
2 votes:

consider this: Should have known you were a Arab with your disgusting attitude.


It must be nice to be not racist like you.
2012-08-22 11:55:24 PM
2 votes:

muck4doo: Seriously. Fark is so anti-semetic it's not even funny. The saddest part is most of you anti-semetic assholes don't realize what racist douchebags you are.


Being against armed conflict is racist now?
2012-08-22 11:55:12 PM
2 votes:

muck4doo: Seriously. Fark is so anti-semetic it's not even funny. The saddest part is most of you anti-semetic assholes don't realize what racist douchebags you are.


Criticizing a foreign government is anti-semetic?

Good to know.

At least we're no longer calling the people that think Israel is following bad policy nazis or anti-Semites any more.
2012-08-22 11:45:54 PM
2 votes:
I don't give a damn if that chunk of desert and scorpions IS God's msot favorite place in the universe and Israelies ARE God's most favorite humans of all. We're not your goddamned attack dog, Israel. We've got better and more important things to do in our own fricking country, if you want to start up yet another holy war you can do it by your damn self.
2012-08-22 11:27:04 PM
2 votes:

dr_blasto: Which is worse:
Indifferent attitude to the slaughter of civilians, including women and children, through the deployment and use of modern, highly efficient weapons with highly accurate targeting and control systems

Intentional murder and slaughter of civilians, including women and children, through the use of home made uncontrollable rockets that, when fired, cannot be controlled and have no targeting systems.


Neither. Both are inexcusable. Who's killing more innocents, though? Again, the fact that Israel has better killing technologies doesn't mean that they're in the right. The killers on both sides are nasty little small minded coonts who represent the worst of humanity. Israel just bangs on more about its actions being morally justified. They're not.
2012-08-22 10:59:42 PM
2 votes:

consider this: Trapper439: Who gives a shiat? Israel kills more innocent civilians than it loses.

So now Israel is targeting civilians? Sorry pal, it's the cocksucking terrorists that you support that do that.


It doesn't matter whether they're "targeting" civilians or just seeing them as "collateral damage", Israel kills more innocents than it loses while perpetually playing the victim card.

And I don't support either side. As far as I'm concerned the whole farking middle east should be cordoned off and left to its own devices. Think "Escape from New York", but with bigger douchebags.
2012-08-22 10:49:23 PM
2 votes:
Oh, and I want to point out that all of this could have been avoided if Great Britain had granted the Palestinians independence following WWI as had been promised in exchange for rising up against the Ottomans. Then nobody would have been able to establish Israel by kicking out natives and turning them into refugees and pissing off everyone else.

But no, developed countries just can't keep their promises once a crisis is passed. This is what happens when you fark a stranger in the ass. Karma is a biatch.
2012-08-22 10:30:27 PM
2 votes:

Thunderpipes: Why do you morons think Israel needs our help?

Why do liberals hate Israel for wanting to be safe? Iran dude just said some pretty awful things about Israel even existing, and you defend him?

Liberals are bad.


Iran-dude says something awful about Israel every week, sometimes twice on Tuesdays-if he's feeling charitable that day, he only thinks they should be wiped off the map. Oddly, Iran has been six farking months from having the bomb for the last twenty goddamn years. Seems like containment works fine. If Israel wants to bomb the shiat outta the Persians, that is on them and we should say "good luck" at best.
2012-08-22 10:29:38 PM
2 votes:

consider this: List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2012


Who gives a shiat? Israel kills more innocent civilians than it loses. The fact that they do it with more advanced weapons doesn't give them the moral high ground.
2012-08-22 08:52:35 PM
2 votes:

Captain_Ballbeard: [cdn.theatlantic.com image 330x270]

Here are your "friends", America. A bunch of wild-eyed Middle Easterners using an ancient book as a real-estate deed and holding racist lynchings of "Palestinian animals" in public.

Apartheid and genocide, that's what you so vociferously support, America.


We've done it before, we'll do it again.

Throughout his presidency, Reagan supported the apartheid government in South Africa and even labeled Nelson Mandela's African National Congress a notorious terrorist organization
2012-08-22 08:46:43 PM
2 votes:

Captain_Ballbeard: [cdn.theatlantic.com image 330x270]

Here are your "friends", America. A bunch of wild-eyed Middle Easterners using an ancient book as a real-estate deed and holding racist lynchings of "Palestinian animals" in public.

Apartheid and genocide, that's what you so vociferously support, America.


b-b-but Gods chosen people.... :/

So sick of the entire issue. If they didn't bankroll us, we would have already colonized them or threatened and sanctioned them into municipality status at best. The amount of times they've been busted stealing intel and influencing policy within the US government would have had any other citizen black bagged and executed or worse.

I say let them start their war and let them deal with it. They have absolutely zero in manufacturing or agriculture that we need right now. Let them fight their own war, wish them the best and close the farking door.
2012-08-22 08:31:18 PM
2 votes:
I don't see what the big deal is. The Israeli military couldn't function without American funding and backing. It's a simple fact, how is that Israel bashing?
2012-08-22 08:15:40 PM
2 votes:

gilgigamesh: The report added that Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak believe President Barack Obama would have no choice but to give backing for an Israeli attack before the US presidential elections in November.


If I were the president this would piss me off and I'd tell Bibi that he was on his own.
2012-08-23 01:25:43 PM
1 votes:
israel is afraid of a truly balanced, level, playing field.

that is why your friends are made to suffer.
2012-08-23 12:51:52 PM
1 votes:

muck4doo: ransack.: muck4doo: ransack.: I'm just saying that anybody who believes in a sky-god should not govern a nation,

Like i said, you believe in your pointed head, that you have found an ultimate truth, Everyone should believe in your truth, and govern from there. Those who don't believe like you do need to be done away with. You are an authoritarian douche who shouldn't even be in charge of running a dog pound.

I don't think there should be a country for just white people. Does that mean I hate white people?

You think religious people have no business running a country. Only those who hail and worship Caeser like yourself should do so. All hail the new Atheist overlords. Oh wait, we tried this before. Look up Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao for more info. Wonderful guys they all were.


Yes, they're famous for screaming "IN THE NAME OF DARWIN!!" as their fish-with-legs-emblazoned war machines screamed and slaughtered only the religious to slake the bloodthirst of the Evolution God. They only wanted athiests and evolutionists to have a free land only for them where they could practice their athiesm in peace.

Always amusing and sad how you people keep bringing them us as "examples" of "athiest" mass murderers, ignoring that it was political power and policies that drove them.
2012-08-23 12:43:22 PM
1 votes:

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: If Israel attacks Iran I think we must assist. Israel thinks that they must attack or risk being wiped out, off the map, a second holocaust.

If Israel is pushed to the point where they have to use their undeclared arsenal on their enemy, everyone loses. If Israel attacks and loses...and does not use their undeclared arsenal, the weapons fall into the wrong hands. We cannot afford either risk, so we have to assist in my estimation.


Exactly HOW are they going to attack?

First, Israel won't use their nuclear arsenal unless it is a last resort from being attacked an invaded, and complete destruction is nye. Every country in the world, including the USA would denounce them if they did use nuclear weapons unprovoked and as a 'first-strike' option. A large majority of Americans would most likely call for all aid to Israel to stop and sanctions (if not military action) against them.

For me, I believe Israel will all out attack out of self preservation. They have been provoked and have a legitimate weed up their ass.

Second, Israel has no way to fly over and bomb Iran's nuclear program from existence. Not only is Iran's nuclear program deep underground and some cases, under civilian buildings but the Israeli air force has no "o.k." for overflights from any of the nations between Israel and Iran.

I'm going to quote RandomRandom:

That's Israel's problem, they can't make a serious dent in Iran's deeply buried program without the US carrying nearly all the load. The Pentagon estimates it would take a a few weeks of US air power to put a serious dent in Iran's deeply buried underground assets. Israel has less than 5% of our air assets and they have no aircraft carriers. They have no force projection.

This means Israel would have to send their air forces over unfriendly territory for a month or longer, just to reach Iran. Not just fighters, (and Bombers/multi-role aircraft) but mid-air refuelers. A continuous air war flying over either Saudi Arabia, Iraq, or Turkey.

Option 1. Iraq. Iraq has no meaningful air force, but their government would threaten to kick the US completely out of the country in favor of the Russians or Chinese if we didn't quickly stop Israeli overflights. Our oil industry won't want us kicked out, Obama won't want us kicked out, hell, every single veteran of the Iraq war won't want us diplomatically booted from Iraq. With the backing of the Russians and/or Chinese, Israel would have to stop the overflights. Obama cannot allow the Russians or Chinese to take over our role in Iraq, so Obama would have to stop the overflights. That might give Israel a week, no longer.

Option 2. Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia's leadership wouldn't mind one bit were Israel to blow the fark out of Iran's nuclear program, but the populace would start tearing down the palace walls within 72 hours if the overflights didn't cease. At most, Israel would get a week, but I doubt they'd get that long. Given the possibility that tacitly allowing such overflights could initiate a Saudi Arab Spring, they may not get a minute. The Saudi's can definitely protect their own air space, they also have a defence pact with the US.

Option 3. Turkey. Turkey would shoot down the Israeli planes and call in NATO article 5 (which supersedes the US/Israeli alliance). All NATO members would be forced to stop the Israeli overflights, militarily and economically. Israel wouldn't risk Turkish overflights.

Option 4. Georgia. Georgia was considering allowing the Israelis basing rights, but that was before they tangled with Russia. Since it would require overflights of Azerbaijan or Russia, that has to be completely off the table now.

Option 5. Fly around Saudi Arabia through the Red Sea and Indian Ocean. It's a 7,000 mile round trip. It might work for a "30 seconds over Tokyo" sort of raid. A raid that would shake up Iran but do no real damage. The distance is too long for any meaningful number sorties to be sent. Unless Israel has been hiding an aircraft carrier they lack both the technical and political means to accomplish this mission.

Add all this up and it becomes very clear that Israel is completely full of shiat. They know they don't have the means to dent Iran's ambitions. We know they don't have the means, Iran knows they don't have the means. They can only put a tiny dent in Iran's nuclear program.

Israel is not going to use nuclear weapons against Iran as then that will start (at the very least) an arms race in the Middle-east and VALIDATE Iran in their quest for nuclear weapons.
2012-08-23 10:52:18 AM
1 votes:
Same old song and dance from tats and his backups singers. I don't hate you. I simply don't care. If Israel lives on for another thousand years or gets razed from the ground next week, I could care less. You're not better than anyone else, regardless what book of fiction your propagate your beliefs on.
2012-08-23 10:07:26 AM
1 votes:

muck4doo: ransack.: muck4doo: ransack.: muck4doo: ransack.: muck4doo: "I'm not an anti-semetic, I'm anti-zionist=I don't hate black people, i hate n*iggers"

This is plain wrong.

No, it isn't. That is what racist tards sound like. If you hate the first example, look at yourself and see how you fit into it. You don't hate Jews. You only hate Jews that don't do as you say, am I right?

No, it's possible to not hate the Jews and also not want them to have their own country.

Yeah, okay there mister "I just hate zionists" guy. Keep telling yourself that.

Nation states should not be governed by members of organized religions.

This is my belief.

I don't hate anyone.

Yet it's the Jews you hate for doing so. Do you have any awareness of the countries they are surrounded by? I know you have no king but Ceaser, but it is par for the region. I don't hate Saudi Arabia for what they are. You have in your little brain decided you know what is best for everyone. The world disagrees, and now you are an angry little sad sack.


I don't care what they do, and beyond voting, I don't impose my views on anyone.

I'm just saying that anybody who believes in a sky-god should not govern a nation, because the well-being of your constituents will never be your top priority. I don't care if you're Jewish, Mormon, Catholic, Buddhist, Muslim, whatever. None of these people should have nuclear weapons or power over other men.

I don't think there should be a country for just white people. Does that mean I hate white people?
2012-08-23 07:59:51 AM
1 votes:

Tatsuma: Oh and I really would have to ask one question:

Can anyone tell me which war(s) America has fought for Israel, please?


We fight by proxy via the billions of dollars in arms we send to you scumbags
2012-08-23 06:26:31 AM
1 votes:

muck4doo: "I'm not an anti-semetic, I'm anti-zionist=I don't hate black people, i hate n*iggers"


This is plain wrong.
2012-08-23 02:02:56 AM
1 votes:

Killer Cars: Gyrfalcon: Maybe we don't like EITHER ONE OF THEM, you ever consider that?

No way. It's an entirely black & white world. You're either good or evil. Also, you have to pick sides. If two assholes want to rip each other to shreds, make a decision on who you think is a slightly lesser asshole, and you arm and fund the sh*t out of them. They will totally thank you for it and always act in our best national interests in the future. Trust me.


Dude, serious threadjack there, jeeze! I know the election is just around the corner, but does it have to come up in *every* thread?!

This is a thread about Israel and Iran.

/back to topic...
2012-08-23 12:42:31 AM
1 votes:

fatalvenom: consider this: The Germans and the Russians kicked Latvia's ass so this guy hates the Jews. Sounds logical.

If it wasnt for the Jews, the Germans would probably have never invaded and then the Russians wouldn't have been provoked into more slaughter.


Because the Germans totally weren't out to take over all of Europe and eventually the world.
2012-08-23 12:38:29 AM
1 votes:

consider this: The Germans and the Russians kicked Latvia's ass so this guy hates the Jews. Sounds logical.


If it wasnt for the Jews, the Germans would probably have never invaded and then the Russians wouldn't have been provoked into more slaughter.
2012-08-23 12:32:33 AM
1 votes:

RoyBatty: fatalvenom: I know what happened to my family and the way Jews hate Germans and Arabs is the way I hate Jews and Russians.

I don't know what happened to your family, but I don't think you know how Jews feel towards Germans and Arabs either, and I believe the views you've expressed in this thread go way beyond that.


Fark you.

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2012-08-23 12:29:24 AM
1 votes:

muck4doo: Keizer_Ghidorah: muck4doo: Keizer_Ghidorah: I don't give a damn if that chunk of desert and scorpions IS God's msot favorite place in the universe and Israelies ARE God's most favorite humans of all. We're not your goddamned attack dog, Israel. We've got better and more important things to do in our own fricking country, if you want to start up yet another holy war you can do it by your damn self.

Take care of the white man. It's serious business. Damn jews can wait.

Don't know where I said that, unless you think America is home to only Caucasians. A little racist there?

We've got enough problems at home that we can't seem to fix without our own political aprties fighting and biatching, we DON'T need to be wasting any more time, money, and manpower playing referee to a region where they've been murdering each other over religion for the last 2,000 years. Sorry if that sounds mean, but reality is often harsh.

Except that America has many allies, and enemies. The anti-semetic crowd hates that the Jews are Allies. When asked their reasons why, it's usually the typical Nazi and pan-Arabism propoganda. So shoot it to me. What is your reason for hating the jews?


I don't hate Jews. I hate stupid people. I hate people who fight over retarded reasons. I hate morons who can't stop slaughtering each other for ten seconds to realize that a two millennia blood feud isn't going to get them anything except more death and destruction. My rational mind can't wrap around the level of irrationality going on over there, a conflict over who's the most bestest favorite in the eyes of a fictional being and who gets to rule a sun-baked sand pile.

As far as I'm converned, EVERYONE over there is nuttier than a shiathouse rat. The sane ones are welcome to come over here or go elsewhere until the madness either finally blows over or results in apocalyptic destruction. Personally I hope it's the former, but at this point I'll welcome anything that will finally end it and let a bit of peace and sanity return to the world.
2012-08-23 12:25:12 AM
1 votes:

consider this: fatalvenom: No we let the Germans come in to take the Jews out of our country, then they stuck the white flag in their ass and let us get killed by Stallin.

So what you're saying is that nobody likes Latvians. You're sure making that one easy to figure out.


We don't like you either
2012-08-23 12:24:20 AM
1 votes:

consider this: Also, I never said that Palestinians were 100% responsible.


consider this: only pointing out my belief that the Palestinians are the instigators and responsible for the bad shiat Israel unleashes on them


Good day, sir.
2012-08-23 12:21:32 AM
1 votes:

consider this: fatalvenom: Do you know about the Gernan occupation of Latvia then

Is that when Latvia stuck a white flag in their ass and rolled over to the Nazi's?


No we let the Germans come in to take the Jews out of our country, then they stuck the white flag in their ass and let us get killed by Stallin.
2012-08-23 12:20:48 AM
1 votes:
Well Armed Sheep

I heard that one of the early proposals for a Jewish nation-state after ww2 was Baja California. Just what i heard, though.

Mexico would have never sold.

Evil High Priest

I think Oklahoma would have been better. Or one of the Dakotas. Who's using them anyway? Britain used to have this adorable idiosyncrasy where they would set up countries in their wake that they absolutely knew would be unstable. Israel is one of their finer works. Pakistan is a close second.

I think the Dakotas were actually considered, but that Israel wanted, understandably, to be a totally independent state not just a part of America which no matter how you drew the maps they would always be.

My question is - why didn't they use South Africa? There's some connection there, right? Some kind of refuge for their treasure or some such, as if the move was very nearly made but someone changed their mind. Maybe it was always a plan B in case the current state of Israel ever was in fact completely overrun.

They would have had a huge coastline and a lot of distance between them and anyone else.

Instead, they went where they are now. I understand the religious significance of the area, to three powerful religions, and they would have written it off. So they did the religious noble thing and stood their ground. Yay.

To me, the situation seems as if a white family had ancestral properties of great significance in the middle of Watts. They move in, build a nice house, dress the kids well and try to live their dreams. But they get attacked, endlessly, by the gangsters and thugs living all around. And so they fight back in self defense, people end up dead on both sides, and now it's a war. And the white family pleads rightfully that they can't walk to the park or even go out at night because there are scary mofos standing on the corners watching them constantly. And it will never stop. No matter how many get shot on either side, the war will continue, forever.

The problem is, OF COURSE it's like that there. Anybody could have told you that.

The only way to keep safe now is for the white family to build a huge fence around their yard, and try be happy never leaving their yard. And hope they can ignore what's outside the gates.

This is what I see happening now. The war won't stop. So they're making Israel, which was kind of a nice place at one time, into a maximum-security fortress.

And they all have to live like that now.

The only way it could end on a national level is for peace to somehow break out, but really all we get is the opposite. Endless clamor for more wars, and the ridiculous notion that the US should somehow get involved in a pre-emptive strike on Iran. That's insane.

All Israel seems to want to do is live by the sword.

I don't even know that it's possible to move somewhere else now. Most Jews don't even live in Israel. I don't blame them. There are better places to live and raise kids and grow old than in the middle of the worst neighborhood on Earth. 

Isn't this great! Isn't this fun!

F*ck this.
2012-08-23 12:15:19 AM
1 votes:

muck4doo: Understood. I've been on fark for a number of years, and have seen how most of this always goes. It was wrong for me to assume what your position is.


Thank you. Fark is a nasty place often enough, I appreciated that.
2012-08-23 12:14:06 AM
1 votes:

consider this: fatalvenom: Es esmu Latvijas, jūsu faktus taisni tu farking ebrejs

I'm German you ignorant chub.


Do you know about the Gernan occupation of Latvia then, or are you a self-hating German?
2012-08-23 12:10:33 AM
1 votes:

consider this: untaken_name: It must be nice to be not racist like you.

It's not racist to point out the obviousness of a chubby Arab hating on Jews.


Up is down, black is white, good is bad, wrong is right, war is peace. Doubleplus good, brother.
2012-08-23 12:09:12 AM
1 votes:
If Israel attacks Iran I think we must assist. Israel thinks that they must attack or risk being wiped out, off the map, a second holocaust. They may be 100% correct as Iranian leaders keep saying just that. They will never allow themselves to go through that again. If Israel is pushed to the point where they have to use their undeclared arsenal on their enemy, everyone loses. If Israel attacks and loses...and does not use their undeclared arsenal, the weapons fall into the wrong hands. We cannot afford either risk, so we have to assist in my estimation.

If we do not assist when Israel truly believes it must attack or perish...and wins, we would lose an ally most likely forever. If Israel does not attack and suffers a second holocaust, we lose and ally forever. We are pretty screwed into going to war.

For me, I believe Israel will all out attack out of self preservation. They have been provoked and have a legitimate weed up their ass. I am seriously concerned this will spiral out of control, as Egypt is already moving it's military ...without consult prior to doing so with Israel as required by peace treaty... in the DMZ for the first time in over 30 years. Egypt thinking about something?

It's most likely in our best interests to help Israel stop Iran now from wiping Israel off the map. In a few years when they acquire additional technology, they will be threatening to wipe others off the map. I will never understand why the cultured, educated, intelligent bright people of Iran let their government threaten Israel with wiping them off the map and never realizing that they put themselves in the gravest peril for doing so.

War is coming.
2012-08-23 12:06:26 AM
1 votes:

RoyBatty: fatalvenom: consider this: fatalvenom: Have you noticed that throughout most of history, mostly everyone has hated the Jews except for, gasp, the Jews?

Yeah, those dirty Jews, always getting their ass kicked out of their homeland and trying to sneak back in.

Why did most of the countries hand over their Jew population to the Germans during WWII?

Hint: not because they wanted to protect the Jews

Why don't you tell us then.


Read a book.
2012-08-23 12:04:37 AM
1 votes:

consider this: fatalvenom: Consider this....you are a fark-tard.

You're a racist douche.


I hate Jews. Get over it.

I also hate Russians.

OMG...someone can hate people.

The agony!?!?!?!?
2012-08-23 12:02:23 AM
1 votes:

consider this: fatalvenom: I'm Latvian

Nice try but your shiatty taste in cars makes it obvious that you're an Arab.


Consider this....you are a fark-tard.
2012-08-23 12:01:45 AM
1 votes:

consider this: fatalvenom: The truth must hurt. Sorry.

So how much of your income do you send back home to your relatives in the Middle East? Should have known you were a Arab with your disgusting attitude.


Read my last post before this.

I hate Russians more than anything, but the Jews were one of the reasons of what happened to Latvia.
2012-08-22 11:58:29 PM
1 votes:

muck4doo: fatalvenom: muck4doo: Seriously. Fark is so anti-semetic it's not even funny. The saddest part is most of you anti-semetic assholes don't realize what racist douchebags you are.

If you lived in South Florida and had to deal with their whining and self-important crying on a daily basis, you might change your tune.

I'm from a Mexican family. So it would have made no difference to me. :p


I'm Latvian and I hate Russians more than anything. But the Jews had a lot to do with my homeland falling under Stallin's rule and many of my people being sent to die in Siberia. So I have no sympathy for them.
2012-08-22 11:55:00 PM
1 votes:

consider this: fatalvenom: Why did most of the countries hand over their Jew population to the Germans during WWII?

Hint: not because they wanted to protect the Jews


Wow, you're a piece of shiat. Have fun with that.


The truth must hurt. Sorry.
2012-08-22 11:52:25 PM
1 votes:

muck4doo: Seriously. Fark is so anti-semetic it's not even funny. The saddest part is most of you anti-semetic assholes don't realize what racist douchebags you are.


If you lived in South Florida and had to deal with their whining and self-important crying on a daily basis, you might change your tune.
2012-08-22 11:51:26 PM
1 votes:

consider this: dr_blasto: I assume you mean where would the Palestinians go, right?

None of those countries around Israel want anything to do with them. At best, they seem to support the Palestinian cause only as a foil against Israel. Two shiats is still two more shiats than they give for the pawns in their game and everybody know this.

Two shiats also happens to be two more shiats than Israel gives about the Palestinians. Israel's government and settler movement project an attitude of disdain for them, one gets the impression if the government thought it could get away with it, they'd disappear the entire population post haste.

So none of the other Arab countires give a shiat about them, but Israel is supposed to give a shiat about the people that have launched over 9,000 rockets at them in the past 10 years? Interesting way of looking at things.


Israel is occupying them. It is their obligation. This wasn't something the Palestinians volunteered for. Not saying launching rockets is the right thing, but something's gotta give.
2012-08-22 11:49:41 PM
1 votes:

consider this: fatalvenom: Have you noticed that throughout most of history, mostly everyone has hated the Jews except for, gasp, the Jews?

Yeah, those dirty Jews, always getting their ass kicked out of their homeland and trying to sneak back in.


Why did most of the countries hand over their Jew population to the Germans during WWII?

Hint: not because they wanted to protect the Jews
2012-08-22 11:48:45 PM
1 votes:

beta_plus: dr_blasto: beta_plus: I love how Fark Anti-Semite Libs think that poor weak mean Israel only exists with America's support through somehow magically manipulating our chaotic electoral system.

Did it ever occur to you jew haters that all America does is try to get Israel to hold back?

They wouldn't fall without us. They'd wipe their neighbors and Iran out.

/you can thank the French for giving them 200+ nukes

How much military aid do we supply Israel with annually? Are you so incredibly stupid that you think they could sustain their own military-industrial-complex on their GDP?

Clearly, though, you think that calling out Israel for being assholes when they're, you know, actually being assholes about something is anti-semitic.

You know, you seem to think so little of our Jewish friends in the middle east that you believe they can't take even a little constructive criticism. Maybe you're the anti-semite. Are you one of those end of the world god-botherer types that's praying for the destruction of Israel to bring you to the End Times? Maybe this is more of your stupid "MY TEAM RIGHT OR WRONG" politics.

Maybe you've succumbed to some kind of TBI and I'm just picking on a disabled person who isn't in full control of their faculties. I guess that'd make me the dick.

Which is it, beta_plus?

Actually, they did just fine on their GDP defending themselves without our help until 1973, when they stupidly did not buy enough bullets for a few years. You know why we bailed them out? Because they prepped all of their nuclear weapon delivery vehicles right when out spy satellites could see them. I'll let you guess what message they were trying to send.

We weren't saving Israel then and we are not now. We were (are) saving the millions who live(d) in Cairo, Damascus, Baghdad, Riyadh, Mecca, Medina, and possibly back then Odessa, Kiev, and (assuming a blatant suicide mission wasn't out of the question and they had put some aces up their sleeve) Moscow. They don't really ...


So, to summarize, criticism of the government of Israel and her policies is tantamount to anti-semitism. That's an intellectual argument if I've ever heard one.

Maybe, just maybe it isn't anything other than the fault of their governmental policies. Yeah, I acknowledge Iran's chief Ayatolla-o-cock-a-rolla says nasty shiat. Wipe 'em off the map he says. Their chief dinner jacket parrots the same shiat later in the day and the world moves on.

That they say this daily makes it hard to take them seriously. They're contained. It's done.

Regarding the miltary spending of Israel, roughly 7% GDP making them what, #18 in total expenditures according to wikipedia (last year) is pretty big.

They have no significant energy sources, net importer of just about everything. You know, that 7% is a lot. We spend a godawful amount of money on defense - $2143 per capita or roughly 4.7% of GDP.

I'm not falling for Israel's military independence. The world of 1973 isn't the world of today, they require the money and will work their lobby arm as hard as possible to get it--and would likely change their behavior as needed if the lobbying work.
2012-08-22 11:45:32 PM
1 votes:
xtupload.com

Dance, clown, dance! 
2012-08-22 11:39:44 PM
1 votes:

consider this: dr_blasto: I assume you mean where would the Palestinians go, right?

None of those countries around Israel want anything to do with them. At best, they seem to support the Palestinian cause only as a foil against Israel. Two shiats is still two more shiats than they give for the pawns in their game and everybody know this.

Two shiats also happens to be two more shiats than Israel gives about the Palestinians. Israel's government and settler movement project an attitude of disdain for them, one gets the impression if the government thought it could get away with it, they'd disappear the entire population post haste.

So none of the other Arab countires give a shiat about them, but Israel is supposed to give a shiat about the people that have launched over 9,000 rockets at them in the past 10 years? Interesting way of looking at things.


Have you noticed that throughout most of history, mostly everyone has hated the Jews except for, gasp, the Jews?

/I see a pattern forming here
2012-08-22 11:33:46 PM
1 votes:

consider this: dr_blasto: WTF would you do if you found yourself displaced from your home, forced to live in a camp or burnt out city with only limited resources in the form of water or power and no lawful travel rights?

I'm not advocating rocket attacks on civilians. I think that's horrendous, but the world the Palestinians are forced to accept is also horrendous.


Yeah, if only they had somewhere else to go.

[allfaith.com image 400x298]


I assume you mean where would the Palestinians go, right?

None of those countries around Israel want anything to do with them. At best, they seem to support the Palestinian cause only as a foil against Israel. Two shiats is still two more shiats than they give for the pawns in their game and everybody know this.

Two shiats also happens to be two more shiats than Israel gives about the Palestinians. Israel's government and settler movement project an attitude of disdain for them, one gets the impression if the government thought it could get away with it, they'd disappear the entire population post haste.
2012-08-22 11:33:14 PM
1 votes:

detritus: Zionists believe they need to fulfill biblical prophecy to have Jesus come back. They are tired of waiting, which is why the settlements continue to be built in the West Bank.


Zionists are not actually big fans of Jesus.
2012-08-22 11:32:10 PM
1 votes:

consider this: dr_blasto: WTF would you do if you found yourself displaced from your home, forced to live in a camp or burnt out city with only limited resources in the form of water or power and no lawful travel rights?

I'm not advocating rocket attacks on civilians. I think that's horrendous, but the world the Palestinians are forced to accept is also horrendous.


Yeah, if only they had somewhere else to go.


If you don't like it, then go back to all those countries in Europe that love to share with Jews then.

Oh, wait....
2012-08-22 11:31:03 PM
1 votes:

dr_blasto: beta_plus: I love how Fark Anti-Semite Libs think that poor weak mean Israel only exists with America's support through somehow magically manipulating our chaotic electoral system.

Did it ever occur to you jew haters that all America does is try to get Israel to hold back?

They wouldn't fall without us. They'd wipe their neighbors and Iran out.

/you can thank the French for giving them 200+ nukes

How much military aid do we supply Israel with annually? Are you so incredibly stupid that you think they could sustain their own military-industrial-complex on their GDP?

Clearly, though, you think that calling out Israel for being assholes when they're, you know, actually being assholes about something is anti-semitic.

You know, you seem to think so little of our Jewish friends in the middle east that you believe they can't take even a little constructive criticism. Maybe you're the anti-semite. Are you one of those end of the world god-botherer types that's praying for the destruction of Israel to bring you to the End Times? Maybe this is more of your stupid "MY TEAM RIGHT OR WRONG" politics.

Maybe you've succumbed to some kind of TBI and I'm just picking on a disabled person who isn't in full control of their faculties. I guess that'd make me the dick.

Which is it, beta_plus?


Actually, they did just fine on their GDP defending themselves without our help until 1973, when they stupidly did not buy enough bullets for a few years. You know why we bailed them out? Because they prepped all of their nuclear weapon delivery vehicles right when out spy satellites could see them. I'll let you guess what message they were trying to send.

We weren't saving Israel then and we are not now. We were (are) saving the millions who live(d) in Cairo, Damascus, Baghdad, Riyadh, Mecca, Medina, and possibly back then Odessa, Kiev, and (assuming a blatant suicide mission wasn't out of the question and they had put some aces up their sleeve) Moscow. They don't really need our support. They'll happily take it - why pay for things when you don't have to? But they'd be fine if we cut them off completely.

Oh, but evil Jewish Israel is full of hate towards Iranians because evil Jews are all racist:

"Our dear Imam (referring to Ayatollah Khomeini) said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world." - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, leader of Iran

B-B-B-But he didn't say Israel, so it's OK! Israel is just pretending to feel threatened because they will take over the oil in collusion with the Rothschilds!

/maybe you should try reading some history books not by Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky and newspapers besides the Guardian
//you should try to expand your mind but I know your knee jerk hatred of jews is so much easier
2012-08-22 11:27:44 PM
1 votes:

Sock Ruh Tease: RoyBatty: gilgigamesh: Israel's Channel 10 News claimed on Monday night that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu "is determined to attack Iran before the US elections," and that Israel is now "closer than ever" to a strike designed to thwart Iran's nuclear drive.

The report added that Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak believe President Barack Obama would have no choice but to give backing for an Israeli attack before the US presidential elections in November.

/Not Subby

Seems like a huge gulf between that and the headline.

Israel knows which side its bread is buttered on and will not jump until given express permission to do so. Same as it ever was.


Sure.
2012-08-22 11:05:34 PM
1 votes:

Trapper439: consider this: Trapper439: Who gives a shiat? Israel kills more innocent civilians than it loses.

So now Israel is targeting civilians? Sorry pal, it's the cocksucking terrorists that you support that do that.

It doesn't matter whether they're "targeting" civilians or just seeing them as "collateral damage", Israel kills more innocents than it loses while perpetually playing the victim card.

And I don't support either side. As far as I'm concerned the whole farking middle east should be cordoned off and left to its own devices. Think "Escape from New York", but with bigger douchebags.


Which is worse:
Indifferent attitude to the slaughter of civilians, including women and children, through the deployment and use of modern, highly efficient weapons with highly accurate targeting and control systems

Intentional murder and slaughter of civilians, including women and children, through the use of home made uncontrollable rockets that, when fired, cannot be controlled and have no targeting systems.
2012-08-22 10:54:38 PM
1 votes:

Captain_Ballbeard: [www.democratic-republicans.us image 450x322]

Yay, America.


Yay Palestinian Statehood

www.lightofzion.org

/amidoinitrite
2012-08-22 10:22:20 PM
1 votes:
all the israelis have to do is give up their nukes...and we're good.

problem solved.
2012-08-22 10:11:14 PM
1 votes:

gilgigamesh: Israel's Channel 10 News claimed on Monday night that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu "is determined to attack Iran before the US elections," and that Israel is now "closer than ever" to a strike designed to thwart Iran's nuclear drive.

The report added that Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak believe President Barack Obama would have no choice but to give backing for an Israeli attack before the US presidential elections in November.

/Not Subby


Talk about a rogue nation.
2012-08-22 10:02:09 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: ontariolightning: cameroncrazy1984: ontariolightning: if romney is elected or if obama retains the world championship, both would support israel.

Except, you know, Obama has said he won't take America to war again, especially not over that.

Obama is a liar

Yeah, way to show me!


American public will eat the reasons up. They're the most naive people on this side of the world
2012-08-22 09:46:58 PM
1 votes:
Now now, children, there's enough sand in the sandy box for both of you. Play nice or we'll take away your OS.
2012-08-22 09:38:33 PM
1 votes:

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Gyrfalcon: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Great, another libby subtard trolling thread informing us all that allies are not important unless it;s allies they approve of.

Sort of like no democracy is a valid democracy unless it's one we approve of, right?

You do realize of course that there are duly elected democracies in this world that hate us, would gladly kill all of us and shiat on your grave? Right? Of course you did. Moran.


Does that make them any less valid as democracies? No?
2012-08-22 09:23:39 PM
1 votes:
Hitler was kinda right. Not a fan of the jews, but hate the israeli attitude. Sorry, life sucks. Deal.
2012-08-22 09:23:34 PM
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Reads TFH...says WFT...*clicks on link*

Facepalm. Guys...GUYS!?

Did any of you even read TFA?* Benny's comments "at the annual memorial to the casualties of the Golani Brigade" are the equivalent of the US Army's 101st Screaming Eagles commanding general's comments every June 6th when they commemorate and remember the sacrifices of D-Day.

It was not a prelude to war.

Besides, have some of you guys even looked at a map? It's a thousand farking miles from Israel to Iran with two bloody-minded anti-Israeli armies in the way, and Israel has virtually no force projection capacity. The ONLY thing they could do is try an F-15 raid on the surface facilities, which would do nothing to Iran's nuclear program anyway.

In short, they'd love to have the US take out Iran, but they can not and will not do it themselves.

* - insert [areyounewhere?.jpg]
2012-08-22 09:23:31 PM
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CygnusDarius: War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies, or ethnicity. It's an endless series of proxy battles fought by mercenaries and machines. War - and its consumption of life - has become a well-oiled machine. War has changed. ID-tagged soldiers carry ID-tagged weapons, use ID-tagged gear. Nanomachines inside their bodies enhance and regulate their abilities. Genetic control. Information control. Emotion control. Battlefield control. Everything is monitored and kept under control. War has changed. The age of deterrence has become the age of control... All in the name of averting catastrophe from weapons of mass destruction. And he who controls the battlefield... controls history. War has changed. When the battlefield is under total control... War becomes routine.


Dude, you're twelve!
2012-08-22 09:23:19 PM
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Felgraf: thatboyoverthere: CygnusDarius: War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies, or ethnicity.

UGH METAL GEAR!

METAL GEAR?!?!


BBBBRRROOOTHERR!!!

/We'll drag this thread in the 21st century!
2012-08-22 09:11:05 PM
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Why do you morons think Israel needs our help?

Why do liberals hate Israel for wanting to be safe? Iran dude just said some pretty awful things about Israel even existing, and you defend him?

Liberals are bad.
2012-08-22 09:08:15 PM
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Lt. Cheese Weasel: Great, another libby subtard trolling thread informing us all that allies are not important unless it;s allies they approve of.


Sort of like no democracy is a valid democracy unless it's one we approve of, right?
2012-08-22 09:07:08 PM
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The only winners in war are the dead, for they no longer have to put up with their leader's trivialities.
2012-08-22 09:06:19 PM
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Great, another libby subtard trolling thread informing us all that allies are not important unless it;s allies they approve of.
2012-08-22 08:55:53 PM
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ZMugg: Captain_Ballbeard: [cdn.theatlantic.com image 330x270]

Here are your "friends", America. A bunch of wild-eyed Middle Easterners using an ancient book as a real-estate deed and holding racist lynchings of "Palestinian animals" in public.

Apartheid and genocide, that's what you so vociferously support, America.

We've done it before, we'll do it again.

Throughout his presidency, Reagan supported the apartheid government in South Africa and even labeled Nelson Mandela's African National Congress a notorious terrorist organization



Curiously enough, the racist apartheid South African regime had only ONE friend left in the end, and it wasn't America - it was Israel. Picking up tips on proper livestock management techniques or just there to sell them nukes? Who knows.
2012-08-22 08:50:53 PM
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CygnusDarius: War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies, or ethnicity.


UGH METAL GEAR!
2012-08-22 08:45:27 PM
1 votes:
58 comments and not one IDF Girl pic.

farm3.static.flickr.com
2012-08-22 08:36:08 PM
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RogermcAllen: gilgigamesh: Israel's Channel 10 News claimed on Monday night that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu "is determined to attack Iran before the US elections," and that Israel is now "closer than ever" to a strike designed to thwart Iran's nuclear drive.

The report added that Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak believe President Barack Obama would have no choice but to give backing for an Israeli attack before the US presidential elections in November.

/Not Subby

This sounds like bad news...
...for Romney.

You can't vote out a wartime president, that would be unpatriotic.

/why do Republicans hate America?

You can't vote out a wartime president, that would be unpatriotic.

Oh sure you can. I think it would be a huge mistake for him to back an attack on Iran. The 50% that think an attack is appropriate have no intention of voting for him in the first place. The other 50% would see him propping up the Israeli machine keeping the Palestine people down.

Of course, it's a no-win situation. If the Israeli's go in and lose, other allies will question our resolve to help with the chips are down. If they go in and win, other allies will question whether they need our help at all.

/why do Republicans hate America?
For the same reason Democrats do. They both hate the 50% of the country that doesn't completely agree with them.
2012-08-22 08:32:21 PM
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Gyrfalcon: I'd tell him the same thing and also to stop trying to interfere in US elections thank you very much.


Agreed. It's pretty offensive all around.
2012-08-22 08:30:59 PM
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Hobodeluxe: gilgigamesh: The report added that Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak believe President Barack Obama would have no choice but to give backing for an Israeli attack before the US presidential elections in November.

If I were the president this would piss me off and I'd tell Bibi that he was on his own.


Which is why none of us is president. I'd tell him the same thing and also to stop trying to interfere in US elections thank you very much.
2012-08-22 08:27:22 PM
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Dear Israel... we're a bit busy at the moment, please handle your own shiat for now. XOXO - USA.

that said, Israel seems to be able to handle their own shiat well enough.
see: six day war
2012-08-22 08:24:44 PM
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KimNorth: I hope not because then Obama will declare a state of emergency and marshal law and stop the November election then we will all die under communistic Marxism.


Well, you guys will. I'm a black guy. So I've been assigned to Sector 8G and when the signal is given I am to assist in rounding up all the white-....

Hold on a second. Phone's ringing.

Er, yeah, never mind. HA! Kidding. It was a joke.

Yes. A.... joke.
2012-08-22 08:18:01 PM
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gilgigamesh: Israel's Channel 10 News claimed on Monday night that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu "is determined to attack Iran before the US elections," and that Israel is now "closer than ever" to a strike designed to thwart Iran's nuclear drive.

The report added that Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak believe President Barack Obama would have no choice but to give backing for an Israeli attack before the US presidential elections in November.

/Not Subby


This sounds like bad news...
...for Romney.

You can't vote out a wartime president, that would be unpatriotic.

/why do Republicans hate America?
2012-08-22 07:01:33 PM
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gilgigamesh: Israel's Channel 10 News claimed on Monday night that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu "is determined to attack Iran before the US elections," and that Israel is now "closer than ever" to a strike designed to thwart Iran's nuclear drive.

The report added that Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak believe President Barack Obama would have no choice but to give backing for an Israeli attack before the US presidential elections in November.

/Not Subby


Seems like a huge gulf between that and the headline.
2012-08-22 06:45:39 PM
1 votes:
Subby, are you sure you submitted the right link?
 
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